8 Movie Makers is another cop-out bottle episode, where it all takes place at the house, which is dirt cheap to film, and it's mostly filler. Thankfully it's only 21 minutes, so this recap should be much more brief and a relief for me!
I have a new toy. Amazon fire stick. It's amazing. It has a gazillion apps to access all the T.V. and movies you could ever want, and music, and it's only a one-time purchase of $39.99. Much of the content on the apps is free or at least partially free, if you're a cable cutter, and if you're not you should know you can now pretty much watch all or almost all of your shows this way for much cheaper than a cable box would run you. Even if you like a traditional "guide" and DVR options as you channel surf, you can still have that: you have the much cheaper options now of Playstation Vue or DirectTV streaming on your fire stick, both of which operate more like a cable box for a third of the price and no holes to drill in your floor. If you haven't cut the cord by now, why? They even have sports available now. Best of all my T.V. is mounted over my fireplace, and with the fire stick I don't need any wires coming down from it because it's just a little piece of plastic that plugs into the back. I'm in heaven! Fire stick is not paying me to say this nor do I make any dough if you buy one through the link I posted, I just like sharing things that make life enjoyable.
TLCgo has their own app for Amazon fire, and for once, TLC has an app that is smooth, organized and easy to use. You just browse or search for your series, and when it pops up it shows you all the seasons they have and all the episodes. Scroll on over to what you want and hit play and you're off and running. For the longest time I wasn't able to catch up on old recaps because I simply couldn't find the episodes anywhere, not for free anyway. I like that TLC has now put up all the episodes of all their series on TLCgo now. TLCgo is free, by the way, as long as it's part of your regular cable subscription (it should work just fine if you have Vue or DirectTV streaming, too).
This first aired in August 2011, a whopping six years ago. It's always interesting to look back and see what's different and what's the same. Things are frankly, mostly the same. As per the usual, Kate is taking credit for an episode idea in that she thought of it to have the kids make their own movie. The movie they are forced to live all the time for the cameras isn't enough? Geez.
A company called "Movie Makers" comes to the house, headed by Melissa and Sam. I googled the company to see if they're still around and yes, here they are, still running their camps and private lessons. Their 10 week classes are only $375, which frankly is very reasonable. They're also still bragging that they are "as seen on Kate Plus 8". Seven years later maybe it's time to drop that association. What's also funny is I found an interview with a very polite Melissa about her experience on Kate Plus 8, where she explains that the idea to hire her was dreamed up by one of the producers brainstorming episode ideas, whose daughter had participated in Movie Makers and enjoyed it. Baw! Busted, Kate. Wait a second, why would you need to sit around a table brainstorming episode ideas for a reality show? I love when people inadvertently out this charade for exactly what it is.
Melissa is an "actor," by the way, and has a decent-sized IMDB page of mostly bit parts in mostly D-list shows and movies. But she did make an appearance or two on reputable shows like Army Wives and as "Onlooker #2" on One Tree Hill. Follow your dreams and all that. Onlooker #2, lol. I prefer ogler myself, and I'd like to be #1 please!
Well this is nice, Kate takes a hike because she wants the movie to be a surprise. More than likely this is not a trip so she's not interested, but it's fine by me. Imagine collecting a huge paycheck, likely in the high five figures, just by saying, "Here kids go make a movie with Melissa" and then going upstairs and cutting yourself up an avocado to put on your salad. Kind of crazy.
The younger kids seem awfully young for the things Melissa is explaining to them: rolling, speed, slate? The kids look like they don't care and more just want to play with the clapboard. I'm going to call this right away that this activity is way too old for them, teens would get way more out of this. With little kids, it just turns more into a chaotic play time. What is with this show and their struggle to find these kids activities that are age appropriate? Usually the activities are way too babyish, but it goes both ways, and this time the activity is way too mature for them to get much out of it.
Collin is yawning away on the couch. The kids pull out a crap ton of costumes from God knows where and start trying them on. What is this movie about? Are they just randomly picking customes? Do the kids understand what they're doing and why? Because I'm confused myself.
Well armchair psychologist this, Mady has decided the movie will be about an orphanage. Melissa instructs one of the sextuplets that she will play an "orphanage girl". Um, does she mean "orphan"? Oh well, actors are not known for being bright.
They cut to a shot of Sam folding up all the mountains of unused costumes and putting them back. Why aren't the kids doing that? They created this cyclone. What tends to happen to celebrity kids, wealthy kids or kids on T.V., I've seen first hand, is that when people come over like this, they don't treat them the same as they would other kids. Happens all the time. They get special treatment, including cleaning up all their crap for them. It's not good, Sam. Not good at all. When I nannied, I used to have to ask the housekeeper to please stop making the children's beds in the morning and cleaning up after them all the time, as I wanted them to make their own beds themselves and clean up after things themselves, and to get in trouble when they didn't. It didn't matter to me things weren't made up as perfect as the way Ophelia would do it, I wanted the children to have to do it. It's important. There is a long line of people in these children's lives who have done them no favors.
Melissa explains that they're going to start filming, but they will film out of order. That's typical of most films. Mady remarks that their reality show is filmed in order, so this is a change. That's not true, we have caught them multiple times filming out of order, and Jon was once ordered to keep his beard for the sake of "continuity." Now why would you need to worry about continuity if you were always filming in order? Heh.
It's fascinating to watch how much time they waste showing us absolutely nothing. There's a whole lot of the younger kids rambling, which is even more meandering because they're so young, and a lot of walking around, and nothing is happening.
Even at this age, it seems to me doing the camp, or having friends over to help make the movie, would be so much more fun than Mady and Cara having to direct all their younger siblings. Kind of a drag.
Collin and Joel are manning the cameras, and they're just way too young for this. They're chopping people's heads off gyrating them up and down so much I'm getting nauseous. Collin is wearing an adorable oversized pirate hat. Hehe.
Great, perfect! Melissa is constantly saying to everything these kids do. I can't stand when all adults do is over-praise kids.
Melissa's introducing herself again. I thought we already did the meet and greet portion earlier. Well, hello, again. Why do I get the feeling Melissa is the type of gal who tends to do stuff like mix up the salt for the sugar?
Melissa says at the moment the movie doesn't make any sense, but she'll figure it out. Um.
The TLC interns are getting cutesy, putting a little of the script up on the screen "Ext. Magical World."
Melissa thinks it's just so wonderful that the kids don't have a problem with looking at the cameras, which is the problem for other kids she teaches. Melissa, that is because since birth they have been filming a virtual Truman Show, you understand that, right? Don't you find their heightened abilities to work so smoothly with a camera crew at such a young age creepy, like, at all? She's getting dumber by the moment. I'm surprised she didn't use the cool industry lingo she's been invoking all along, it's called spiking the camera, and it's such a common mistake even from adult professionals that is should really weird her out these kids never do it.
The kids are starting to lose it with all this filming, and some are hitting each other and getting annoyed. Kate and Melissa are excusing all this atrocious behavior, especially with guests over, as just simply sibling rivalry.
Day three of filming? This doesn't sound fun. It sounds exhausting. That's over half the time it takes to film a real drama episode, like Law and Order, and it's well documented how exhausting those five days usually are. Why does everything have to be a 10 out of 10 here? Why couldn't they just make a short film for half a day or something, maybe a day? Melissa has given up even putting make-up on at this point, heh, and she looks tired.
At this point Melissa says she has no clue how the movie will turn out and it's all over the place. Um, isn't she supposed to be in charge here? How much is she getting paid to be this confused? And in conclusion, may I please remind you that it does not say RSVP on the Statue of Liberty!
So, was Kate really totally MIA all these three days? That's kind of odd, though I really enjoyed the break from recapping her histrionics. But, I have to admit, it makes the episodes even more boring than they usually are when no one is having a mental health episode for me to discuss. Kate said earlier she cleaned her room during all this time. Good, I'm sure it needed it.
Kate looks so tan she looks like she's a totally different race, she looks like people who aren't white but who like to dye their hair blond. She looks ridiculous, and you can really see the difference here in how much less she tans these days. They finished filming and now it's time for the movie premiere. They don't explain how they get from filming to a movie premiere. I'm guessing Melissa goes back to the office and splices it all together in between bit parts as Onlooker #2?
The kids are so young, I'm not sure they really know what a movie premiere looks like to get a kick out of this. But production did a good job nonetheless, making a real mini-red carpet at the house, and Melissa and Sam standing in as reporters asking questions. I like Melissa's movie poster, it looks like a poster from when Lifetime used to make halfway decent Sunday night movies about things like kidnappings. Not bad at all.
Melissa interviews Kate on the red carpet. Shmoopy is in her element. Talk about myself? Yes please!
They all line up on the couches and floor of course with popcorn, and watch the movie, The Orphans' Adventure. Good punctuation, Melissa.
So far this is kind of the plot of Annie, in which the hard knock orphans have to clean all day. Also, it sounds like their real life. Remember Kendra crying because the children had so many chores to do every day? It takes kind of a Stephen King-like twist when some of the orphans get sucked down into a vortex and end up..... in Kate's back yard, far as the eye can see!
I'm losing the plot here, suddenly there are other kids popping up in various costumes, and Mady and Leah find a pirate chest and take something out of it. Oh, Melissa.
For once I think Kate's expression is justified. She's trying to be proud of all this, but can't follow the plot either.
Leah and Mady aren't the worst actors in the world, I'm mildly impressed with their ability to trip and fall realistically, and make scared faces. But the best actor in this whole thing is wearing a unicorn costume so I can't tell who it is.
The hard to follow plot ends with some of the kids in costume inviting the orphans to stay with them. But why? It's extra mouths to feed, and they barely know them. Wouldn't it make more sense to call CPS if children are being worked to death at an orphanage? Or even the cops? Yeah this is me, during every movie. I'm that film-goer.
Melissa is getting quite lovey dovey with these kids after only knowing them three days, affectionately holding Leah's hands and swinging them back and forth and giving her a very warm hug. Does she honestly think that's a good idea for their sake? She's just going to be ripped from their lives at the end of the filming never to be seen again. This is a big reason these kids have the problems that they do now, the revolving door of people doling out love to them, then being taken away, including their own father.
This episode had a huge redeeming factor in that Kate was barely in it. She only swooped in at the end to obnoxiously make this all about Mady and her growth, when all the other kids, especially Leah, were chipping in their fair share and I'm sure grew too! And that's a wrap!
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«Oldest ‹Older 601 – 800 of 1253 Newer› Newest»Gayle said... 2
Is this Milo's way of telling Kate that Nanuq is not a "sable" coloured dog?
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Or that her next superfluous vehicle should be a Land Rover?
Looks like I called this one.
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The reasons for the judge's ruling have not been made public so who really knows what went into it. I really doubt he was pleased with EITHER parent in that incident. Why would Jon allegedly "encouraging" the child sway him any more than Kate putting up a big scene for three hours? Seems to me they cancel each other out. I do believe however that Kate will stop at nothing including lying, and has convinced the judge the children are being alienated--by Jon. She's flipped the script, and it worked. It's gone to all sorts of new levels.
I'm kind of wondering now if Jon's save the Gosselin kids thing backfired.
Frankly if I saw a parent doing that kind of mantra in family law court I would find it really strange and maybe even a little nuts. I have much more context for it here, so it didn't strike me as bizarre. But we have to remember not everyone has that same context involved in the case.
It is true that Jon just doesn't always make good decisions. He seems to be well-meaning and earnest, but not always shrewd. A save the kids campaign could have been a major turnoff for the judge. I am also speculating what swayed the judge, as we have no idea. Something must of, because a child Hannah's age as upset as she was and wanting to be with him very badly should have been a major factor.
I didn't realize now that there are two sources in that article, Jon's mother and "a source." It was the source who shared the judge's ruling. Hopefully the "source" has gotten mixed up on the custody order, as it does not add up to the timeline as we know it. It's possible it's a pro-Kater, trying to make Jon look terrible.
We don't even know if that's true. Jon had Hannah on August 22. The incident at the dentist office and he said that it was his custody
Hmmm. I'm second guessing this.
Based on my experience a 30 day no contact order would be very odd when a child really wants to be with a parent. Very odd. It would be just like a Kate lackey to continue to imply there is something so wrong between Jon and Hannah they simply can't even be around each other. And like Layla says, they know Jon can't respond so they can control the narrative. A parsing his custody down THAT MUCH would be an incredibly disruptive change most judges would not do. You go from 50-50 to a Sunday visit.....a judge does not play roller coaster with children like that.
Either this judge is really nuts, or this is not true. It doesn't add up with the typical way such situations are handled or how careful judge's are supposed to be to not ping pong kids' emotions around. Now I'm going to call it--I don't believe it.
Whatever went down, truth or fiction, I'll bet kate is pleased as punch that the tabloids are still talking about HER. Kids feelings be damned.
The Little Couple are moving to FL!
They gave Jen a party at work and it was very moving! They were ugly crying, hugging her, hanging on for dear life seeing her leave!
Betcha a dozen of those Crispy bars (the ones ya'll talk about on here) they didn't do this for TFW when she finally left her nursing job over what 10 or a dozen years ago!?!
What a legacy.
Maybe the GoFundme embarrassed the judge and it called him out that he was letting TFW get away with way to much.
I believe the judge is nuts.
GollyGee said...
Betcha a dozen of those Crispy bars (the ones ya'll talk about on here) they didn't do this for TFW when she finally left her nursing job over what 10 or a dozen years ago!?!
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Oh they probably threw a party alright. They just waited until she had left the building.
AuntieAnn said... 10
Whatever went down, truth or fiction, I'll bet kate is pleased as punch that the tabloids are still talking about HER. Kids feelings be damned.
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Auntie Ann, I think you're right to a point. But TFW has to be concerned that more of her secrets are coming out and upset that the coverage isn't about the new season of Kate + 8, er Kate + 7.
AuntieAnn and GollyGee, somehow I'm picturing TFW'S sentimental goodbye as the entire staff constructing a catapult out of gauze, bandages and tongue depressers, waiting for the automatic doors to open, luring her to the trap with a gift card, and then launching her out of their lives, you-know-what over tea kettle.
We think we're tired of TFW? Imagine how those poor co-workers feel about her 15 minutes slowly extending into 15 years.
I think the article below contains a little more information from the print In Touch weekly article.
http://hollywoodlife.com/2017/09/13/kate-gosselin-punishing-hannah-taking-jon-side-interview-grandmother/
The way I see it, there are only two options, regarding the InTouch source info:
1.It's fake
2.There's something we don't know about Jon.
I think jumping to "the judge is a moron/corrupt" is unnecessary at this point. We're talking about 6-8 kids. Maybe Jon only has 2 rooms, maybe he's gone for many hours, maybe he only makes so much money, we really can't know. I try to give Jon the benefit of the doubt but then at the back of my mind all I can remember is that he too agreed with Kate to not give the boys the cupcakes, he too told the boys they ate "nothing", he too made fun of their cooking, he too smacked them (obvious cut scenes), he too lost his temper and dragged them around, made fun of Joel's lisp along with Kate and so on. Less often? Maybe so but if the above judgement is true, maybe the judge had to pick between two crappy parents. I thought Jon fighting publicly was a good idea but like others above said, maybe the judge didn't take kindly to it.
I know my opinion is an unpopular one, I'm not trying to change anyone's mind,or to upset anyone, just saying what I'm thinking.
Susan1956, I just followed your link and wow, the top picture used...Kate with the kids. All the kids are looking down and seem so sad/upset. I don't read much press but whenever I did and celeb kids were pictured, I don't think I ever saw them looking like that.
https://pmchollywoodlife.files.wordpress.com/2017/09/kate-gosselin-plus-8-ftr.jpg?w=620
They never look like that when pictured with Jon. He is the better parent I think, but the question is by how much. Maybe not enough for a judge to bother with custody disputes?
The Hollywoodlife article claims the change in custody order happened on August 15th, and mentioned the 30-day separation and the 2-hour visits in the park. This article says the source is Jon's mother. If she is the source to the changed custody information, then why didn't the other article say so? Why bring up some nameless source? This article also says the incident where Kate pulled Hannah's arm was August 15th. All other information we have seen put the date as August 17th. And once again, if the 30-day order was in effect, then why was Jon allowed to take Hannah on the 24th? If anything, this article seems more inaccurate than the last one.
If there was some change in custody, maybe the judge based it on the audio of the altercation on August 17th. He could hear for himself how Jon was telling Hannah to fight her mother. It might have swayed the judge to actually hear that rather than hear stories secondhand.
Is it possible to get a new judge or venue since they are 'celebrities?'
Kate can appear to be a good mother who provides the kids with food, clothes, shelter, education etc, and after all I was 'formerly duped'- but not for long!Jon could be made to appear flighty and unstable. I thought the local rep of Kate was poor which makes me wonder why this judge would favor her.
If there was some change in custody, maybe the judge based it on the audio of the altercation on August 17th. He could hear for himself how Jon was telling Hannah to fight her mother. It might have swayed the judge to actually hear that rather than hear stories secondhand.
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See, maybe, but look at Kate's comments on the tape. She said at least three things to the child that are extremely manipulative, even emotionally abusive, all also on tape. If the judge is going to be upset over the tape, fair enough, but I can't imagine he wouldn't be livid at Kate, too. Neither parent comes out smelling like roses on that tape.
Susan1956 said...
But TFW has to be concerned that more of her secrets are coming out and upset that the coverage isn't about the new season of Kate + 8, er Kate + 7.
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Bad press doesn't seem to bother her. In fact it just gives her more air time to spout her poor-me-single- mom, see what I have to put up with mantra.
At least that spiel used to work that way for her, but I don't know if it will fly anymore. You could be right about that.
If there was some change in custody, maybe the judge based it on the audio of the altercation on August 17th. He could hear for himself how Jon was telling Hannah to fight her mother. It might have swayed the judge to actually hear that rather than hear stories secondhand.
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Yes, I thought of that, too. And on the video Kate was saying things like "the kids want to see you," "I love you" and something else. At the time I wondered if she was saying that to be sure and look like the distraught mother with distraught kids at home missing their sister who was in some kind of peril...for the judge to hear, of course.
But TFW has to be concerned that more of her secrets are coming out and upset that the coverage isn't about the new season of Kate + 8, er Kate + 7.
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There's a new season?
RoxyHelen said... 18
It is very sad. I can't imagine being a child and feeling that way around a parent in just everyday life AND having it captured on film forever. I'm wondering if the picture was taken at the height of the 'don't look at the paparazzi' era. Curious why Khate appears to be wearing some kind of grass skirt and The School OF in the background--is that a school of dance?
Here's the way I look at the tabloid stories. I like to think that both they and the public have come a long way from my mother's day--she used to subscribe to the National Enquirer & The Star and believed every word written in them. There are now 'better' tabloids out there and while I take what is written with a grain of salt, I believe (for the most part) that articles are written based on actual events. But like the old game of telephone, details get "lost in translation". Maybe the writer of the article did not have all of the information, maybe it was editing, maybe the writer had to tell the story in a certain number of words based on available space in the magazine, maybe the story had to be slanted a little in order to protect the sources. So I don't get too worked up about the timeline of events because there's probably an explanation for it. I look for information that rings true and saw this:
Hannah also said Kate took the children shopping for school supplies but wouldn’t buy her anything. She is punishing her,” Jon’s mother said.
Would Kate do this? Heck, yes. We've seen it time and time again. Also, I don't think we've seen the whole article--there might be something in the print article that will clear up some of the questions people have. Does anyone on this board subscribe to In Touch Weekly?
Another thing to consider is that we have yet to see any stories from 'a source close to Kate' appear in any of her favored publications like People. Why? Even People is now doing the occasional blurb on Josh Duggar so surely Katie Coyne could at least come up with a story about the dogs.
Why is it that whenever it seems the playing field might get leveled, and Jon might get to see his kids more (and just plain SEE Collin), that it a goes to hell in a hand basket?
It's never clean, always mucked up.
Nothing ever really changes.
Auntie Ann, I think you're right to a point. But TFW has to be concerned that more of her secrets are coming out and upset that the coverage isn't about the new season of Kate + 8, er Kate + 7.
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I think that at this point she would be happy with anything that puts her name in print -- the good, the bad, and the ugly.
“The kids say the are scared to say or do anything,” she admitted. “If the kids spill something, they freak out and panic and cry as if we will hurt them,” because of how “scared” they are.
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Kate is emotionally abusive, period. Perhaps Jon's mother could petition for grandparent visitation. It's a long shot, but might be worth a try. She probably doesn't even need a lawyer to do it.
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Tucker's Mom said... 26
Why is it that whenever it seems the playing field might get leveled, and Jon might get to see his kids more (and just plain SEE Collin), that it a goes to hell in a hand basket?
It's never clean, always mucked up.
Nothing ever really changes.
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I guess we'll have to wait until all the books come out - and there will be books. Once those kids are grown and away from this whole mess there will be some pretty disturbing stories to telĺ.
Confused Said...24
No new season of Kate + 8. Sorry, I didn't make it clear that was snark on my part. She must long for the days when there was announcements of the new season followed by a press tour.
Tucker's Mom said... 26
Why is it that whenever it seems the playing field might get leveled, and Jon might get to see his kids more (and just plain SEE Collin), that it a goes to hell in a hand basket?
It's never clean, always mucked up.
Nothing ever really changes.
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Because people get their hopes up that the playing field IS leveled when it isn't. Jon is skeeeeerewed. The judge favors Kate for a reason we don't know. Plus Jon messes up, let's face it. Multiple girlfriends (some live-ins) through the years, various residences, unsteady working history which add up to bad choices. The GoFundMe page was ill advised. I like Jon. He's a nice guy. Nice guys finish last. At this point he's seeing his kids even less. So we've gone from hoping for 50/50 and he's down to seeing a few kids for a couple of hours a week.
I think jumping to "the judge is a moron/corrupt" is unnecessary at this point. We're talking about 6-8 kids. Maybe Jon only has 2 rooms, maybe he's gone for many hours, maybe he only makes so much money, we really can't know.
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Locals to CA certainly heard this story from this year and you may have even heard it nationally. Aramazd Andressian Jr. was murdered by his own father in April as part of a bizarre staged plan to get back at his mother. The details of how it all went down are interesting though disturbing, so google if you want more info. The mother and father were going through a bitter divorce and both had accused the other of very nasty things. Courts and CPS were all involved, but ultimately decided the father should continue to have his visits. Soon after, he killed the boy.
Anyway, on the AM local radio show I was listening to they were discussing how the mother was blaming everyone for what happened. Judges, child services, everyone she told her concerns to about the father. And one commentator said you know I wouldn't want to be the judge in this. It's a he said she said situation, and if you pick the dad to have custody how do you know mom won't be the one to snap and kill him? Who even knows in these situations?
I really think family law judges in cases this messy struggle to really understand what is going on and make good decisions for the family. It's tough stuff. When one or more parties are willing to lie and manipulate and alienate, the problem is even more difficult.
Bottom line not saying a judge is overlooking a murderer here, or that there are no bad judges--but just that these kind of calls are so very difficult with so many factors to consider, and a reasonable judge could end up sending a child home to a very bad situation because that's how it all shook out. I do not envy Jon.
I look for information that rings true and saw this:
Hannah also said Kate took the children shopping for school supplies but wouldn’t buy her anything. She is punishing her,” Jon’s mother said.
Would Kate do this? Heck, yes. We've seen it time and time again. Also, I don't think we've seen the whole article--there might be something in the print article that will clear up some of the questions people have. Does anyone on this board subscribe to In Touch Weekly?
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I believe Kate would do just that. I also believe the stale and spoiled food in their lunches.
Susan1956 said... 25
...I'm wondering if the picture was taken at the height of the 'don't look at the paparazzi' era. Curious why Khate appears to be wearing some kind of grass skirt and The School OF in the background--is that a school of dance?
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That photo is from the January 2011 trip to Australia and New Zealand. They're in New Zealand in that photo:
http://www.justjared.com/photo-gallery/2510199/kate-gosselin-grass-skirt-new-zealand-03/
http://www.tlc.com/tv-shows/kate-plus-8/photos/gosselins-new-zealand-pictures/
RoxyHelen I do respect your opinion on this and no,i don't think anyone here thinks Jon is a saint.Having said that,if there was something about Jon we don't know about,i would think the un name source would of spilled it by now.Then again Kate has made wild accusation about Jon.(such as him with the drugs and inappropriate relationship with Hannah)@AuntieAnn Bad press wouldn't bother Kate unless it it effected her shows airtime but sadly even in cases like the duggars,the bad press doesn't seem to bother TLC.
Jamesvader1194 said... 35
RoxyHelen I do respect your opinion on this and no,i don't think anyone here thinks Jon is a saint.
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Definitely!
I've gone from being happy that it seemed Jon might get 50/50 custody to, "HUH?", a couple hours on Sunday?
WTF is going on?!
Another clusterf...
Susan1956, thanks for the reply. I was so caught up in Harvey and Irma, I thought maybe TCL sneaked in an announcement and I missed it.
I like Admin's suggestion of grandparent visitation. Even though it might be a long shot, it sounds like it should at least be considered. I knows Jon's position is not considered stable but just because she provides food, shelter, schooling, etc. doesn't mean they are in a healthy environment. Then again, I don't believe she does 'provide' for them, it's more a case of they provide for her needs and have been doing so since they were babies. I mean honestly, she doesn't appear to have any other source of income other than what she receives from pimping out eight children to TLC. At least if they had one grandparent in their lives it would be better for them to have some contact with Jon through his mother.
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Because people get their hopes up that the playing field IS leveled when it isn't. Jon is skeeeeerewed. The judge favors Kate for a reason we don't know. Plus Jon messes up, let's face it.
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Jon is not a closer. He doesn't know how to get the deal done. Frankly, that has always been Kate and always will be. The woman knows what she wants and makes sure she gets it.
There would have never even been a whiff of a TV show if Jon were in charge. He hasn't the first clue how to make that happen.
He's also the type that will have ducks A, B, and C in a row but forget about that crucial piece D, and then everything goes to shit.
The bottom line is these kids are old enough to do what they want. Eventually they're going to follow whatever custody time they would like, orders be darned.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocvhkM4y99M
Wow...you need to watch this. If you can't watch all, start at 10:00. After all the abuse Sinead O’Connor loved and longed for her mother, though her mother never apologized or admitted to the abuse. She talks about how if her mom was still alive, she would take care of her mother and how her mother was her best friend. Sinead O’Connor ran away to her father's house. Her mother made her sleep/live in a hut her dad made in the backyard because she liked what her daddy had made for them to play in. She would also make them chant. Man, it is almost a mirror image of Kate, Jon and H. Maybe not like a mirror of Jon but Kate...Yeah. I don't recall if Sinead ever gave a reason for the love and admiration for her mom.
At 16:23 Dr. Phil ask her if she grew up in a house of horrors. It kills me to think that ANY of the G children could let her off the hook because of the sick games she makes the kids play to get her love and attention. I have to say, if Jon can't get FULL custody of the kids, especially C. C is better off learning how to cope with mothers like Kate and how to NOT be screwed up royally for the rest of his life. How SHE not HE was the problem. I dare put money on the fact that C will be the most stable of them all. I have a feeling M has already fallen too far down that rabbit hole unless she can get some good therapy or finds a really good man.
One thing for sure, I'm not sure how much more sadness or triggering of my own life I can take. It makes me want to get revenge and that tells me I haven't dealt with it as much as I had thought. Do we EVER stop being a victim and become a survivor? I THINK NOT. We survive because we are still alive. We are a victim because it happened. I will not be victimized by letting it dictate or define who I am or what I do, and that puts the power back into my hands and out of the perpetrator/victimizers.
Admin, I have to laugh when I pull up the current thread and see the photo of Alice Pearce as Kravitz. I've always imagined that's what Milo looks like, and I'm probably way off base, but it's such fun thinking of her looking like that, peering into windows.
Thanks for the chuckle!
Post on her last photo of #NookiePukie:
XXXXX Kate why have 8 children with John and then try to keep them away. It's not about you.. your children have the right to love y'all both.. they shouldn't have to take sides and choose... they should have a relationship with both of yall.. It's sad to see 2 people have so much hate towards eachother and the poor children see that.. just don't understand why y'all as parents can't be adults about this and work out a custody arrangement that is fair .. just wish y'all can forgive eachother and focus on allowing the kids to love y'all both and that should be okay and see y'all both...
Unfortunately, this will never happen.
This comment from her IG has been swiffered:
djoh9yiYou need a mental evaluation, Khate.
Checking periodically to see how long this one lasts:
lthomas2074Kate why have 8 children with John and then try to keep them away. It's not about you.. your children have the right to love y'all both.. they shouldn't have to take sides and choose... they should have a relationship with both of yall.. It's sad to see 2 people have so much hate towards each other and the poor children see that.. just don't understand why y'all as parents can't be adults about this and work out a custody arrangement that is fair .. just wish y'all can forgive each other and focus on allowing the kids to love y'all both and that should be okay and see y'all both...
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OT--I wanted to thank the person who recommended The Phantom Prince: My Life With Ted Bundy by Elizabeth Kendall. It was a good, quick read but I had the impression she wasn't telling the whole story. Today I've picked up The Girl On The Train (never saw the movie) and am scared silly.
I read the new Hollywood Life article linked up above:
http://hollywoodlife.com/2017/09/13/kate-gosselin-punishing-hannah-taking-jon-side-interview-grandmother/
and like you all have said, what In Touch attributed to a "source" is now a quote from Jon's mother.
Hollywood Life says their story is based on an interview Jon's mother did with Life & Style. I looked for that article because I was curious about the judge making these modification to the custody arrangement, thinking there would have had to have been a hearing. That part was left out of the Hollywood Life story, but it's in the Life & Style article:
http://www.lifeandstylemag.com/posts/kate-gosselin-kids-abuse-141840
“If these kids spill something, they freak out and panic and cry as if we will hurt them,” she shares. Things recently came to a head on Aug. 15 when one of Kate's sextuplets, Hannah, refused to get out of her dad's car and go with her mother. Unfortunately for Jon, the court took his ex-wife's side during a custody hearing a few days later.
“The judge claimed Jon had manipulated Hannah so she wouldn’t want to see Kate, [then] ended Jon’s 50-50 custody of her and separated Hannah from him for 30 days,” an insider tells Life & Style. “Also, now Jon will no longer see the other children except for a couple of hours on Sundays in a park."
Jon's mom claims that Kate encouraged Hannah's siblings to "shun" her after the incident in order to teach her a lesson. "Hannah also said Kate took the children shopping for school supplies but wouldn’t buy her anything. She is punishing her,” she states. Kate did not respond to a request for comment on these charges.
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So, there was a hearing after the incident on August 15th when H refused to go back to TFW's for her week there? Then, what about the articles, with quotes from police, that on August 22nd there was a dispute at the orthodontist's office, and they let H go home with Jon as she wished?
Jon is not a closer. He doesn't know how to get the deal done. Frankly, that has always been Kate and always will be. The woman knows what she wants and makes sure she gets it.
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But wouldn't a competent attorney be able to do this, or at least give him advice? He knows nothing about custody law, and I don't think he ever claimed to know.
OT...there was a discussion here about commercials we liked. I just saw the one for Amazon Prime, with the baby, the lion and the dog. Oh, my gosh. The look on that dog's face is priceless. You gotta love it.
I'm looking back at the articles from last month and nothing is adding up. What about this article:
http://hollywoodlife.com/2017/08/23/jon-kate-gosselin-custody-battle-violent-fight-hannah-hospital/#respond
that says:
The emotional showdown apparently lasted three hours, but the drama had been “brewing for days,” according to InTouch. “Jon and Kate had an emergency hearing with a judge [on Aug. 11] after Hannah refused to go back to Kate’s house,” an insider told the mag. “The judge granted Jon equal custody of Hannah until he and Kate go to trial.” Now, custody of all their sextuplets: Aaden, Alexis, Collin, Joel, and Leah, is reportedly at stake. “The trial will determine if Jon gets 50/50 custody of the sextuplets,” the insider added. “He desperately wants to see his kids more.”
Huh? The new Hollywood Life and Life & Style articles say that there was a hearing shortly after the August 15th incident and that's when Jon LOST 50/50 custody of H and his time with the others was severely restricted.
Does this mean he was temporarily granted 50/50 custody in a hearing on Friday August 11th, only to have the judge completely reverse it a week later after H refused to go back to TFW? And the judge also severely (temporarily) cut back his time with the other kids. Why do that?
It sounds like a full custody trial is coming up, which is probably why they set up the Go Fund Me account.
These rags and their sources....right now, I wouldn't believe anything as far as changes to custody.
Former Lurker said... 44
I read the new Hollywood Life article linked up above:
http://hollywoodlife.com/2017/09/13/kate-gosselin-punishing-hannah-taking-jon-side-interview-grandmother/
and like you all have said, what In Touch attributed to a "source" is now a quote from Jon's mother.
Hollywood Life says their story is based on an interview Jon's mother did with Life & Style.
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Correction:
Hollywood Life attributed the quote to Jon's mother, but the article it's based on - Life & Style - says it's from "an insider".
All the details about the alleged loss of 50/50 custody and Jon losing most of his time with the other kids, is all from an anonymous source.
In other words, do not believe it.
Jon has a passive personality and that can't compete with Kate's manipulation and cunning. This is war for Kate, and she has to win.
I wonder if old-fashioned judges could favor mothers over fathers. They probably consider the financial situation over anything emotional, and that would favor Kate.
Cobbling together the most recent stories, it sounds as if this judge has behaved positively punitively towards Jon. Meanwhile, the abusive single-mom-of-8, who INJURED her child in front of police officers to the extent that the child had to be taken to the hospital, appears not to have suffered even a wrist slap.
How on earth does this happen?
I don't mean to harp on this, but the only one saying there has been this huge change in the custody arrangement is an anonymous "insider". As someone said recently, (sorry, I can't remember who posted it), since there's a gag order TFW knows she can put all kinds of crap out there and Jon can't refute it.
It's just not adding up and I'm not buying it until and unless we see clear confirmation.
Jon's attorney was quoted in some of the articles last month. I have to wonder why these same rags haven't contacted her now. She probably can't comment specifically, but I think if contacted she could at least see the recent reports about custody modifications are inaccurate and untrue.
This one just lives in a fantasy world.
miloandjack2016 For the kids..."what do you call a dog who is a magician?" Answer..."A Lab ra ka da bra" 😋 @kateplusmy8
It's not like they're 6, FFS.
Jon's attorney was contacted, I believe, after August 15th--but no mention of this change in custody arrangement. Also, someone tweeted Jon asking if Hannah has a GAL, and he responded, "Yes!". That was also after August 15th. None of what this "source" is saying seems to fit into the timeline or confirmed communications (from Jon, his attorney, his mother...). If Jon was cut off from the kids, wouldn't his mother have mentioned it? She aired a lot of dirty laundry but somehow didn't mention the change in the custody arrangement? And if Jon can't see Hannah for 30 days, how does his mother know what happened to Hannah after she returned home?
Layla said... 52
If Jon was cut off from the kids, wouldn't his mother have mentioned it? She aired a lot of dirty laundry but somehow didn't mention the change in the custody arrangement?
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She supposedly did mention it:
Now, Jon’s mother is speaking out, and she’s playing hardball. “The judge claimed Jon had manipulated Hannah so she wouldn’t want to see Kate, [then] ended Jon’s 50/50 custody of her and separated Hannah from him for 30 days,” Jon’s mother explained to Life & Style of the alleged new custody rules a judge slapped him with after the August 15 dispute. “Also, now Jon will no longer see the other children except for a couple of hours on Sundays in a park,” she said.
http://hollywoodlife.com/2017/09/13/kate-gosselin-punishing-hannah-taking-jon-side-interview-grandmother/
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But, the problem is that Hollywood Life got it WRONG. As they say in their article, it's based off of an interview that Life & Style did with Jon's mother. When you go to that article, they (Life & Style, the original source), attribute that quote to an "insider", NOT Jon's mother as Hollywood Life erroneously claimed when they reported on the Life & Style story.
http://www.lifeandstylemag.com/posts/kate-gosselin-kids-abuse-141840
“The judge claimed Jon had manipulated Hannah so she wouldn’t want to see Kate, [then] ended Jon’s 50-50 custody of her and separated Hannah from him for 30 days,” an insider tells Life & Style. “Also, now Jon will no longer see the other children except for a couple of hours on Sundays in a park."
ALL of this stuff about the changes to the custody arrangement is from an anonymous "insider, NOT Jon's mother.
Layla said... 52
... If Jon was cut off from the kids, wouldn't his mother have mentioned it? She aired a lot of dirty laundry but somehow didn't mention the change in the custody arrangement? And if Jon can't see Hannah for 30 days, how does his mother know what happened to Hannah after she returned home?
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Very good points, Layla.
It seems to me that Hollywood Life is deliberately doing TFW's dirty work for her. They're reporting on a Life & Style article, but they're getting it wrong and attributing ALL the quotes to Jon's mother when only some quotes in the Life & Style story are from Jon's mother, and some are from an "insider". The insider, not Jon's mother, discussed the changes to custody.
Hollywood Life is incorrect and mixing up the quotes from Jon's mother and the quotes from an insider (TFW). I'm sure TFW is loving this.
Just trying to clarify this one last time. FIRST, we have the Life & Style article:
http://www.lifeandstylemag.com/posts/kate-gosselin-kids-abuse-141840 Code
“The judge claimed Jon had manipulated Hannah so she wouldn’t want to see Kate, [then] ended Jon’s 50-50 custody of her and separated Hannah from him for 30 days,” an insider tells Life & Style. “Also, now Jon will no longer see the other children except for a couple of hours on Sundays in a park."
THEN, Hollywood Life reports on Life & Style's story and gets the quotes wrong:
http://hollywoodlife.com/2017/09/13/kate-gosselin-punishing-hannah-taking-jon-side-interview-grandmother/
Now, Jon’s mother is speaking out, and she’s playing hardball. “The judge claimed Jon had manipulated Hannah so she wouldn’t want to see Kate, [then] ended Jon’s 50/50 custody of her and separated Hannah from him for 30 days,” Jon’s mother explained to Life & Style of the alleged new custody rules a judge slapped him with after the August 15 dispute. “Also, now Jon will no longer see the other children except for a couple of hours on Sundays in a park,” she said.
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Hollywood Life is a rag and they got it wrong. We have no way of knowing if or how the custody was changed. It very well may have, but I wouldn't give any credibility to Life & Style citing an anonymous "insider" and then Hollywood Life incorrectly attributing that insider quote to Jon's mother.
A lot of anonymous stories have turned out to be true but an important element as others have stated is does it ring true. Do you get that gut feeling about it?
In thinking about this more, there are two things about it that don't ring true. One, the timeline doesn't match up with the police reports (a Kate lackey probably isn't paying that detailed of attention to timelines). Second, just based on what I know of family law and the very strong discouragement against bouncing kids' custody arrangements around, it would be unlikely a judge would ping-pong a kid in this manner. What we do know is that Hannah was given split custody time pending the next hearing. What we do know is that her wishes are that she see Jon more. It is very unlikely that a judge would take a U turn here after all that and restrict her time even more. I didn't want to say anything and jinx it, but nine times out of ten a "temporary" order like this one will likely just morph into a permanent one. Even if a parent is being manipulative, that is not the death knell to their custody time. That is only a factor. And as much as there are bad judges out there, I find it very, very hard to believe that a judge would not also find fault with Kate on the tape, and equally hard to believe only Jon would be "punished" for the tape, as family law judges are not supposed to punish parents but rather do what is best for the CHILD.
Also, they had Jon's mom right there on the record pouring her heart out. Why didn't they just ask HER what the custody is? She is free to not comment, but it doesn't appear they even asked. Instead they go around to an anonymous source? That's odd.
The anonymous story sounds like the custody arrangement Kate would LIKE to have, not what really happened.
Does this mean he was temporarily granted 50/50 custody in a hearing on Friday August 11th, only to have the judge completely reverse it a week later after H refused to go back to TFW? And the judge also severely (temporarily) cut back his time with the other kids. Why do that?
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I just posted my thoughts about this but I'll reply to this as well--you wouldn't do that. Bad as this judge is, I have to know he understands children are not ping pong balls to manipulate custody around left and right until they are so emotionally damaged and feel so uncertain there's no hope left.
If he is doing this, he's a jerkwad who should be off the bench. And to the Kate lackey trying to do her dirty work, shame on you.
Maybe the confusing "insider source" story was created to stop people from donating to the GoFundMe for Jon. If people think it's a done deal and he lost, there's no reason to donate. We may never know the truth.
Maybe the confusing "insider source" story was created to stop people from donating to the GoFundMe for Jon. If people think it's a done deal and he lost, there's no reason to donate. We may never know the truth.
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Bingo. She's just that diabolical. I also think she just likes to mind-f$%^.
And I really wouldn't put it past her to lie to her friends about what the arrangement is. I bet she does it all the time.
Hannah having a GAL is another red flag this custody thing is B.S. You're not a good GAL if you're recommending orders that are giving your kids whiplash. Stability and consistency are a GAL's priority as long as it is safe to do so.
And I really wouldn't put it past her to lie to her friends about what the arrangement is. I bet she does it all the time.
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I guess I'm confused about what would trigger a judge to change Jon's LONGstanding visitation of each Tuesday dinner and every other weekend to a couple (supervised?) hours on Sundays.
That is drastic.
This passage is sounding harder and harder to believe:
"On Aug. 17, “the judge took away Jon’s 50/50 custody of Hannah and claimed he had manipulated her so she would not want to visit with her mother,” according to a source. “The judge also separated Hannah and Jon for 30 days.” Jon’s visitation with the other kids has also been cut down. He can no longer see the other children, adds the source, “except for a couple of hours on Sundays in a park.”
It's absurd to think that any judge would think that after all these years and evidence that Kate has managed to get half her kids to NOT see Jon, that Jon is the alienator.
I don't know, it just smells.
Former Lurker said... 55
Hollywood Life is a rag and they got it wrong. We have no way of knowing if or how the custody was changed. It very well may have, but I wouldn't give any credibility to Life & Style citing an anonymous "insider" and then Hollywood Life incorrectly attributing that insider quote to Jon's mother.
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Or maybe Life and Style got it wrong when they quoted "an insider" and meant to say "Jon's mother." Bottom line for me is, I can't believe I'm debating the merits of the accuracy of low-life gossip rags. There was a day when I never considered them worthy of my time. I'd like to slap myself.
There's a heck of a lot of speculation swirling around here with no basis in fact except some gut feelings, and elsewhere in the world we have N and S Korea firing missiles around willy-nilly and our President is tweeting like a preteen and waffling on his major campaign promises.
To quote Lloyd Bridges in Airplane "It looks like I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue."
The ratings for this week's "premiere" of the latest Duggar season (Monday) and the "finale" of the Busbys are probably somewhat skewed due to people watching Irma 24/7 and power outages in FL and elsewhere in the south, but for anyone interested:
Duggars: 1.155mm viewers/0.27 share
Busbys: 1.226mm viewers/0.33 share
Both still routinely breaking a million, so I think there's little danger of cancellation for the time being.
The anonymous story sounds like the custody arrangement Kate would LIKE to have, not what really happened.
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We have direct quotes from Jon's mom, who witnessed the custody transfer first hand, and who claims hearsay that Hannah told her of the chanting and shunning.
Then, we have an anonymous source saying there have been DRASTIC changes in custody, such that we are to believe a judge went from granting Jon 50-50 custody of one of the children, to taking but a couple hours on Sunday (I assume not even every Sunday) away from him, for ALL visiting children. Huh?
I'm putting more weight on the former, and less on the latter.
I hope Jon's attorney gives another statement, because this is a drastic claim. Her most recent statement signaled a great deal of strength and forward movement.
It all went to shit since then?
If Jon was cut off from the kids, wouldn't his mother have mentioned it? She aired a lot of dirty laundry but somehow didn't mention the change in the custody arrangement? And if Jon can't see Hannah for 30 days, how does his mother know what happened to Hannah after she returned home?
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Good questions, Layla. Hannah might have been relating what happened after previous times she refused to leave Jon's. There have been multiple instances.
The visitation this "source" claims is penalizing, but for what? Why would a judge be so mean spirited as to punish the kids who obviously want to see Jon?
It's been plainly obvious for years that Kate's been alienating Jon.
Re the articles of the past several days about custody, wasn't InTouch the first to post about Jon's mother's comments? Not Life & Style? I don't think any of the later articles (Daily Mail, HollywoodLife, Life & Style) really tried to get any new info for their renditions.
InTouch updated their comments yesterday (nothing really new, but this article specifically focuses on Hannah) and are claiming an "exclusive" interview with Jon's mother:
http://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/kate-gosselin-jon-hannah-141876
The print version of their latest article(s) on this is in the Sept. 22 edition.
NJGal51....This one's for you! On the front page of Friday's Cape Cod Times is a photo of five bullies with their handlers lined up for the Cape Cod Kennel Club and South Kennel Club's annual Cranberry Cluster all breed dog show. Nice photo. I've got a headache reading about the Gosselin kids custody fiasco. Poor kids.
Latest comment on IG. And where is this info on Oct. 9 episode coming from? I haven't seen a thing.
XXXXX several articles saying Kate is brainwashing kids against their own dad... I believe it. I also know that she has an episode coming out on Oct 9. A continuous pattern of @TLC to air controversy, even at the kids expense, with the hopes of increasing ratings to this very boring show. Let the kids see their dad Kate. Do you feel it is healthy for them what you are doing? Children need both parents; Especially since Jon was always the more hands on parent . Unlike you, he is calm and more sensitive towards their needs. It is time to put the greed away and do what is best for these kids. They are suffering and the world sees it..
Thanks capecodmama. I looked it up online and love the pictures of the bullies. I love that once Halo won she was like "I'm done" and, it looks like she's being a typical bulldog and refusing to move.
Former Lurker said... 55
Hollywood Life is a rag and they got it wrong. We have no way of knowing if or how the custody was changed. It very well may have, but I wouldn't give any credibility to Life & Style citing an anonymous "insider" and then Hollywood Life incorrectly attributing that insider quote to Jon's mother.
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I don't read anything these rags have to say. I just don't believe them, especially when they report that the story came from "sources." I don't understand why more of them aren't sued for defamation and libel. They continue to get away with this stuff.
I don't read anything these rags have to say. I just don't believe them, especially when they report that the story came from "sources." I don't understand why more of them aren't sued for defamation and libel. They continue to get away with this stuff.
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Some of them have been so very right though. I just don't know if this one is. When it comes to the Gosselins, they seem to shake out more right than wrong. That said statistics don't prove this story true one way or the other.
As far as the rags go I don't read them but do look at the covers while in line at the grocery store. How many times have they claimed that Jennifer Aniston was pregnant? Just sayin' that I take everything they print with a grain of salt.
Just sayin' that I take everything they print with a grain of salt.
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Oddly, sometimes they seem to have silly stories like Jennifer Anniston is pregnant, other times they have stories that are right on the money (John Edwards affair, for example). Why they go back and forth between being 100% correct and 100% wrong I have no idea, but I have to say I DON'T take their stories with a grain of salt, actually. I have to at least consider each time that the story might be absolutely correct, and don't rule out that possibility at all until proven otherwise. Admittedly, that is a far cry from how I used to regard rags, but they've since been very right on many stories.
sorry coming in as anonymous. rare poster here. What strikes me strange is that the kids would see john for a couple of hours on a sunday at a park. sounds like something you do for 5/6 year olds, not 13 year olds. What happens in bad weather? If it said "public location" or "supervised visits" I would be more inclined to at least semi believe than "at a park".
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That did strike me as a red flag the story is off, too. That is a "neutral location" visit, in a public setting. It's like a step up from monitored visitation. But with Jon having had the kids at his home for years, it seems really doubtful visits would suddenly become so restrictive. If something happened, the judge would have just given him monitored straight up, and slowly progress him to a neutral location and then back in his home, if possible. To come in right out of the gate in a "neutral location" after having the child 50% of the time is very, very strange and not the usual progression that I've seen. I think whoever is spilling knows of orders the judge COULD make that perhaps Kate would LIKE to have made, but is pulling our leg about what was actually ordered. I don't know the motive here--deflection, just pure evil, who even knows, but all in all I don't think I believe this source even despite the tabloids having a good track record on accuracy when it comes to Jon and Kate.
It's absurd to think that any judge would think that after all these years and evidence that Kate has managed to get half her kids to NOT see Jon, that Jon is the alienator.
I don't know, it just smells.
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Yes, it smells. Everything about the judge allowing Hannah MORE time with Jon pending the next hearing, suggests he is opening up more to Jon, not shutting down more. This story is a U-turn, and not consistent with what we know.
Do you think the rest of us aren't aware? We are. We choose to have a little diversion an camaraderie here, ok?
OK.
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I think most people have made it clear they prefer to separate this blog from hot button issues, but it's foolhardy to assume people aren't aware or interested just because they choose not to discuss it here.
For that matter, I was two underground stops away from today's terrorist attack in London, I'm staying just off Earl's Court in Kensington. After an initial gasp of horror and then gratefulness, I did what everyone has urged us to do and went on with my day and enjoyed it and was glad to be alive and to be able to experience a great city. It's easy to say just go on with your life and don't let the terrorists win, but try doing so when you actually were within a mile of the bomb.
Trust me, I'm engaged. Now more than ever. Yes I'm fine thank God, and yes everyone needs some parts of their lives that aren't about the horrors of the world.
Or maybe Life and Style got it wrong when they quoted "an insider" and meant to say "Jon's mother."
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Well, they were the originator of the story, so I think it's far more likely that the originator got the sources straight, while the story reporting on the story screwed up. I think the story of the story also reported that Hannah wanted to go with Kate--wrong, she clearly wanted to go with Jon. They're very twisted up.
Oh, Admin, Thank God, you are alright!
ADMIN - Happy to hear you are well and escaped the latest bomb attack in London today. Even though you were spared the experience of being directly involved, I know how alarming it must have been for you. It sounds as though you are speaking as a true Londoner would, be thankful you were not injured and just get on with your day.
I know that is easy so say having experienced the dreadful day, July 7, 2005, when 52 people were killed and many hundreds were injured when we were staying at a hotel adjacent to Russell Square station. It's easy to say "just carry on" but the experience was truly frightening. I know first hand how you must be feeling.
I hope you can somehow put this behind you and enjoy the rest of your stay in London, one of the greatest cities in the world.
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I don't live in Canada but I know there are several posters on here that do. Operation Christmas Child in Canada is asking for shoe box packers to pack 20,000 shoe boxes specifically for the children in the Ukraine.
It gets really cold in the Ukraine in the winter and the kids really need boggins, knit caps, mittens, scarfs and socks, thermal shirts and underwear pants.
School supplies, hygiene, washcloth and bar soap, IVORY because when the kids take baths in the rivers, it floats! And a stuffed toy. I always put a stuffed toy in because I imagine that child, when they put their head down at night, that the ST is right there, comforting them as they go to sleep.
https://www.samaritanspurse.ca/ukraine-shoeboxes/
You would think these rags would remember when Carol Burnett sued the National Enquirer and won a settlement that would be a deterrent for running with a story that is not true.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burnett_v._National_Enquirer,_Inc.
Would teachers not notice if Hannah did not have the required items for school/ I know very specific lists are sent from most schools.
The original story also had the date wrong--the "source" claimed the judge changed the custody order on August 15th, but the incident where Kate hurt Hannah didn't happen until August 17th.
Admin, stay safe in London! My DH was there too, but he's flying home (due in a few hours) tonight. I'm tracking his flight on FlightAware. If he doesn't get off the plane, then I'll be worried. If he forgot to get me something nice from the duty-free shops, then HE needs to worry. (Just kidding!). I hope things settle down there. Too many attacks. My whole family is going to England on vacation next summer, and terror attacks are not included in our plans.
Long time reader, 1st time poster. I have a question, could there be two judges involved? One, giving Jon the temp 50/50 custody. And another that may be the one favorable to Kate?
NJGal51 said...
Just sayin' that I take everything they print with a grain of salt.
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Yeah well I don't care what the rest of the world thinks, I KNOW Kate is Bat Boy.
And no one is gonna change my mind.
Glad to hear you're okay Admin. That had to have been a frightening experience.
NJGal51...Ha! I just went online to look at the pictures. You're right. Halo wasn't going anywhere. She was done.
My whole family is going to England on vacation next summer, and terror attacks are not included in our plans.
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I'd love to go away, anywhere, even on a trip to the next town over and stay at a hotel, do the spa thing, maybe have a nice dinner, totally stress-free. However, every time I squirrel enough away for even a mini-vacation, something happens, an appliance breaks, the kids need essentials for school or field trips, there's a gas leak in the car, or whatever. Then Christmas is here before we know it and there are gifts to buy...
Argh, Maybe some day!
This is interesting.
I am having problems with my parents at home. Is emancipation the answer?
Sometimes youth think that becoming emancipated will solve their problems at home, but usually this is not the case. To be emancipated, you must show that you are independent and self-supporting, and this is difficult for any youth to prove. Youth who are having problems in the home have a few options. In most situations, the answer to the problem does not require emancipation by court order. Perhaps your parents would allow you to live with a friend or family member, either temporarily or permanently. Perhaps your parents would be willing to go to family counseling to learn new or better ways of getting along with one other.
Cara would have a better chance because she is almost 18. She could get emancipated and get the money that TFW has been saving and she could live with Jon until college.
http://jlc.org/resources/fact-sheets/emancipation-or-living-away-your-parents-pennsylvania
Cara would have a better chance because she is almost 18. She could get emancipated and get the money that TFW has been saving and she could live with Jon until college.
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When did Cara ever say that she wanted to be emancipated? I know that she's said that she wants to go far, far away to college but emancipation is stretching that statement. I don't think she enjoys the filming but she does seem to enjoy the perks.
Cara would have a better chance because she is almost 18. She could get emancipated and get the money that TFW has been saving and she could live with Jon until college.
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Cara is 16. She is a year away from being 18, and in PA, she must have proof that she is self-supporting. Having money in the bank or trust fund will not qualify for emancipation. The child must have a regular income. Cara does not, nor is she independent. There are many other factors that enter into this. The court and the judge interview these kids privately and make a decision.
Yes, I know that Cara didn't say that she wanted to be emancipated and I am not saying that she did. I feel so bad for her and all of the kids. Cara looks like she is sitting on pins and needles waiting to bolt.
I just googled how old do you have to be to be an adult in PA and it said 18. The article was right there.
Midnight (90): "I'd love to go away, anywhere, even on a trip to the next town over and stay at a hotel, do the spa thing, maybe have a nice dinner, totally stress-free. However, every time I squirrel enough away for even a mini-vacation, something happens, an appliance breaks, the kids need essentials for school or field trips, there's a gas leak in the car, or whatever. Then Christmas is here before we know it and there are gifts to buy...
Argh, Maybe some day!"
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I feel your pain and can totally relate to that! :)
I just googled how old do you have to be to be an adult in PA and it said 18. The article was right there.
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Was this in dispute?
Yeah well I don't care what the rest of the world thinks, I KNOW Kate is Bat Boy.
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For which team?
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For which team?
Ha. The Harpy Hellcats.
Did Cara say that she wants to be emancipated? I'm really out of the loop here.
For which team?
Ha. The Harpy Hellcats.
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And their mascot is?
Midnight, don't you know that spa days make you a better mommy?
I was reading Kate's twitter. Sometimes I find it hard to believe that sheeple are so incredibly stupid, or do they bait the non-fans just for the sake of baiting/trolling? I hope it's the latter. I can't imagine anyone being so naive, without any critical thinking ability whatsoever.
Argh, Maybe some day!"
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I feel your pain and can totally relate to that! :)
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Yes, and here it was a new roof. Maybe a vacation in 5 years or so. I think I'd rather be in a dry house, especially with snow, ice, and cold weather just around the corner!
Midnight, don't you know that spa days make you a better mommy?
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Kate did say that, didn't she? Or was it Beth? I've never been to a spa in my life. Does that make me a bad parent? Guess I need to ask the kids!
"Kate did say that, didn't she? Or was it Beth?"
Beth said it,and Kate made it her life's work.
Well, DH made it safely home from London, although he had a hard time at the airport. A man traveling alone is automatically a target for extra security screening. And there were two "fans" who wanted him to pose for pictures with them. Poor DH looks a lot like the actor Edward Norton, and sometimes gets asked for a picture or autograph. Usually when he's dashing through an airport trying to make a flight or in some other major hurry. I find it all rather amusing, but he's kind of over it.
Anonymous said... 51
IMO Kate only wants custody to film.
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Kate wants custody for revenge and control.
Jon is live on Rob and Remi radio.
https://www.facebook.com/therealjongosselin/
Oop's I didn't notice the date. I could be wrong. I don't get all this "live" stuff. How can it say live when the dates don't match up? Oh well, it is still interesting.
Jon's Go Fund Me has 50 donations when I last looked. Not a huge amount toward his goal but a steady interest. I bet TFW is seething !
njay...
The live video shows live but it is posted for others who missed it so they can see it later on facebook,
Formerly Duped (109)
Even if the total amount raised isn't a lot, it's good to know that there are people out there who support Jon's fight for his children. I'm sure close friends and family have contributed directly to him instead of going through a public forum. Every little bit helps in a situation like his.
Formerly Duped @ 109 - Looking at the total to date, the average donation would be $50.00, which is encouraging. Yes, TFW will be seething!
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lol I guess he cause a riot wherever he goes!
Seriously I'm glad your DH is safely home. Edward Norton is a good talented guy! It would be worse to look like some horrible 'celeb!'
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lol I guess he cause a riot wherever he goes!
Seriously I'm glad your DH is safely home. Edward Norton is a good talented guy! It would be worse to look like some horrible 'celeb!'.
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Yea, just ask Mama June! lol (TFW)
Where is everybody? The posts have been just trickling in all weekend!
Formerly Duped and Golly Gee,
I always laugh when we go out and people walk up to him and say, "Weren't you in Fight Club?". He brought home a pullover given to him by his team overseas, and they had "Norton" embroidered on it. It's a pretty strong resemblance so it's just something he has to deal with. And you're right--there are far worse people he could resemble.
Haha, I'm sure Mama June cringes when she's told she resembles Kate. I know I would--but I don't do the whole Barbie look-alike thing.
Layla, how funny they had his pullover embroidered with "Norton".
My mom's sister was Sally Field's doppelgänger.
I always said she could of been Sally's double to avoid the paparazzi.
Layla, Wendy Williams has a segment on her show that shows regular people that look like celebrities. Celebrity look-a-like.
She would show a picture of Ed Norton and then show a picture of your hubby. And the audience gasps! lol
I still get mistaken for Natasha Richardson, but she's deceased. Not good.
Wasn't Ed Norton Gleason's neighbor in The Honeymooners (Art Carney)?
GollyGee,
That would be too funny! I should send in a picture.
Sherry Baby,
Natasha Richardson was such a beautiful lady! You're lucky. I used to be told (when I was younger) that I looked like Elizabeth McGovern (Lady Cora from Downton Abbey)--when she was younger. I don't see the resemblance so much now that we're both older.
Edward Norton was in Fight Club with Brad Pitt and also Primal Fear with Richard Geere and Birdman. I think he's very handsome (obviously!).
Wasn't Ed Norton Gleason's neighbor in The Honeymooners (Art Carney)?
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Yes! That was Art Carney's character's name on The Honeymooners. His wife's name was Trixie. I watched an old-re-run recently.
I'm just happy I don't look anything like Kate!
Sheepless In Seattle said... 122
I'm just happy I don't look anything like Kate!
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LOL!! Be grateful for that. If you look like Kate and Kate looks like Mama June, that would mean you look like June.
I used to look like Valerie Bertinelli when we were both young although I have blue eyes. Lots of people told me that. Not so much now but I took it as a compliment.
Sherry Baby: Natasha Richardson was a favorite actress of mine. And she seemed to be a beautiful lovely and classy lady- I was so devastated when she died and gave her organs, the ultimate gift. That's a good person to resemble.
If I said people say I look like Marilyn Monroe - I'd be lying.
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Sherry Baby: Natasha Richardson was a favorite actress of mine. And she seemed to be a beautiful lovely and classy lady- I was so devastated when she died and gave her organs, the ultimate gift. That's a good person to resemble.
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Yes it is. OT story...
A friend and I went to see Vanessa Redgrave, Natasha's mother, in New York. We decided to wait until Ms. Redgrave came outside because my friend is a fan and wanted her autograph. When we were waiting, many other people had gathered on the sidewalk. A woman came up to me and said that she loved me in the Parent Trap and would I sign her Playbill. I told her that I am not the person she thinks I am, but she wouldn't hear it. So I said, sure, I'd sign it, and I it scribbled "Elizabeth James," which was Natasha's character in the movie. The lady was a happy camper, and I just smiled.
Sometimes people won't believe it when you say that you're not the person they think you are, and so you just humor them. It's better to just be nice because if you try to convince them otherwise and walk away, you're just making the "real" celebrity look bad and aloof!
Natasha's death was a real tragedy and so very sad. I often wonder "what if," and if it was preventable.
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DH has posed for pictures before just because it's too much effort to keep fighting someone who really wants to believe. I guess that's the downside to resembling someone famous. The upside is that you get to resemble someone really good-looking.
I'm playing in the kitchen with my Instant Pot today. I just got one and I'm obsessed! I've made steel cut oatmeal and rice pudding so far today, and I'm about to make beef barley soup. Does anyone else have one? They're amazing!
Another View departure -- today Jedidiah Bila announced she's leaving. C'mon, TFW, go ahead and claim that chair of your dreams!
At one time she may have actually been on the short list. Now she wouldn't even be on the top 100.
Has anyone else watched the Discovery Series "Manhunt: Unabomber" The 8th an final episode aired this week.
It was quite a thought provoking documentary. It explains the origin of Linguistic Profiling.
There was a subtly and sternness in the acting.
I think the producers want you to ask yourself how fine is the line between brilliance and insanity.
I hope it is re-aired from beginning to end in one day. I will watch again.
FlimsyFlamsy said... 128
Another View departure -- today Jedidiah Bila announced she's leaving. C'mon, TFW, go ahead and claim that chair of your dreams!
At one time she may have actually been on the short list. Now she wouldn't even be on the top 100.
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That show is SO past its expiration date. Still, I don't think Kate's got a chance.
I'm playing in the kitchen with my Instant Pot today. I just got one and I'm obsessed! I've made steel cut oatmeal and rice pudding so far today, and I'm about to make beef barley soup. Does anyone else have one? They're amazing!
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I do! LOVE it!
I've made so many things. It's great for making very gelatinous stock. I cook beans for soup, and stews, of course.
Something really fun is getting pulled pork for sandwiches on your table in under an hour!
There are lots of websites out there for ideas. The Instant Pot practically has a cult following.
Anything you can think of making it in the IP, you'll find it online.
I used to get Ally Sheedy and Sigourney Weaver a lot ;-)
I'm playing in the kitchen with my Instant Pot today. I just got one and I'm obsessed! I've made steel cut oatmeal and rice pudding so far today, and I'm about to make beef barley soup. Does anyone else have one? They're amazing!
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Yes. My Crockpot is officially retired.
I used to look like Valerie Bertinelli when we were both young although I have blue eyes. Lots of people told me that. Not so much now but I took it as a compliment.
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She is so cute and spunky and has aged so well. She seems like a genuinely nice person.
Layla, "Ed Norton" (Art Carney) was a character on the Honeymooners way back when. Some episodes are still shown on cable. He was Jackie Gleason's ("Ralph Kramden") best friend and upstairs neighbor. Art Carney was a hoot in that role.
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If I said people say I look like Marilyn Monroe - I'd be lying.
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teehee
I still get mistaken for Sophia Lauren myself.
Oh and Kate Gosselin really is the best mom in the world.
Oops. Loren, noy Lauren. I should know that,
Dmasy, I did not watch the Discovery series about the unabomber. Hopefully netflix will add it in the future.
I spent the greater part of the weekend watching The Keepers and then another 14 hour Ken Burns epic documentary about the Roosevelts.
I was horrified and saddened about the former and came away better informed after watching the latter. I am very close to dumping cable.
Auntie -- you are Italian?!
I don't think I have ever been told I look like any celebrity. I have an Aunt who looked like Jackie Kennedy. She wore pill box hats all the time to increase the similarity.
No, Dmasy. I was kidding. Lol! But I would be very happy if I WERE mistaken for her.
Speaking of Jackie Kennedy...
I got hooked on the History Channel doc on Oswald and his Cuba connection, how his plan to get away failed after he shot Officer Tippit. I actually watched the entire thing and didn't just have it on as background noise!
The investigator was a former CIA agent. I recommend it.
Sheesh...I don't even look like myself these days, let alone a famous person. I just had my second cataract surgery in the last month, which means I've worn no eye makeup for weeks. People don't even know where to find my eyes when they're talking to me.
Oh, & at my best I usually look like Maggie Smith. :)
We need a thread dedicated to Instant Pot ideas! The first couple times I opened mine, I admit, I ducked like a complete scaredy-cat. You can never be too careful, right? Now I whip off that lid like a pro. I bought another pot for it and just switch them out as each thing finished.
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I absolutely adore Maggie Smith!!!
AuntieAnn said... 138
Dmasy, I did not watch the Discovery series about the Unabomber.
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AuntieAnn, go to youtube and type this in their search box, "Discovery series about the Unabomber". it will give you lots to choose from, documentary's and clips. It also has the Discovery one you are talking about.
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I am very close to dumping cable.
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AuntieAnn, I did that vary thing and saved myself and mom 100 dollars a month. I just kept internet and phone. I bought a chromecast for 40 dollars at Walmart. With that I was able to set mom up in her room with anything she felt like watching and I watched what I like in my room. I was able to change her shows, change the volume, turn off hers or mine or both. It is soooo worth it to leave cable. There are sooo many movie's etc. to watch for free or real inexpensive, I just go for the free and I never run out of anything to watch. You do have to be careful and make sure copy writes aren't being stepped on. FilmOn is a good place to go for a plethora of things to watch legally with movies as well as tv plus more. You can check it out without committing to anything. Believe me, I DO NOT REGRET dropping cable. THAT'S FOR SURE!!
Layla said... 143
We need a thread dedicated to Instant Pot ideas
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The one's you cook in? Or the one that cooks your brain. lol. Sorry, I couldn't resist that opportunity to snark.
By the way all. I know I have shared with everyone here that I took care of my mother. I guess this is as good a time as any to let you know that momma passed away the fourth of July weekend. I just really didn't want to talk about it for a while.
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Thank you njay. I will be sure to watch it.
Jolie - The first movie I remember seeing with Dame Maggie was the Prime of Miss Jean Brodie. I was about the same age as her students at the time it came out. It was a brilliant movie as was her performance. She is one fine actor.
Dmasy - I should tell you that the closest I ever came to "looking" like Sophia L was the back in the 80's when I wore her perfume. I absolutely loved the scent. Too bad they discontunued it.
njay,I am so sorry for your loss. I know that caring for your mom was a dedication on your part. Your life must have a lonely spot now, but I am sure you are relieved that she is free of her pain and suffering.
Thank you for sharing such a sensitive part of your life with us.
njay,
My condolences to you.
njay,
So sorry to learn of your dear mother's passing.
I'm catching up on Scott Peterson and I'm shocked at all the supporters they dug up for him. Not just journalists but lawyers and other extraneous friends and relatives. I've noticed that a lot of them keep saying there is NO evidence Scott did it.
No, no DIRECT evidence. There is a mountain of circumstantial evidence, and in the USA, circumstantial evidence IS evidence.
I kind of want to throw something at the screen every time someone says there's NO EVIDENCE. Ugh, yes there is! A mountain of it.
Nancy Grace did a good job regulating herself, surprisingly. Watching the old video of her stalking the house was kind of hilarious, like a kid in a candy store.
njay,
Also, thanks for the advice about chromecast. I am going to look into that as my cable bill is outrageously high for the few shows I watch now.
Admin,
I thought it was suspicious that SP picked Christmas eve day to go fishing in a boat that no one knew he had on the very day his wife disappeared. More than suspicious that he fished in the same area where the bodies were found. He's a slimeball and a lousy liar.
His lawyers certainly don't like Gloria Allred either.
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I too am sorry to hear of your mother's passing. You were definitely a dutiful kind daughter to her. You will feel her absence but I hope life gets brighter for you soon.
Sounds like we're a bunch of beautiful and talented celeb look-alikes! People with character and not Barbie- dolls- although I think most of us are over the plastic doll age.Crocs and muu-muus cannot distract from our wit and charm.
njay...my sympathies on the loss of your mother.
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Although I was kidding about looking like Maggie Smith, I agree she is a wonderful actress. She was perfect in Downton Abbey!
Admin, you would think by watching the Scott Peterson show that he was a saint. I am shocked by the way all this is presented from the defense point of view. It's disgusting to see all these people trying to prove he is such a great guy and would never do such a thing. That guy is as guilty as it gets.
njay, I am so sorry for the passing of your mother.
So it looks like the FTC is going after "celebs" who are not disclosing their connection with various brands.
http://radaronline.com/videos/chelsea-houska-farrah-abraham-under-investigation-instagram-ads-teen-mom-2/
I will never forget the first time I saw anything about Scott Peterson. The tv was on the TODAY show and they were showing the candlelight vigil, the camera panning the crowd and at that point, I didn't really know who he was.
Then when they said, SP, at the vigil of his missing, pregnant wife and I saw him mouth wide open laughing in the crowd. This horrible stingy feeling came over me that said, He did it.
The almost blind elderly woman looking through her kitchen window at the sidewalk, saying it was Lacey and her dog.
The concrete blocks that were made at his work building.
Connor washed up right there where S said he was at fishing. Then Lacey next. And it was on Easter Sunday, IIRC.
The boat, all of the things they found in his car, the money, the internet search. He did that.
Very ironic that Connor and Lacey washed up almost right there next to San Quentin, where Scott can look out of the window and remember what he did and how bad he probably regrets killing them because he has no freedom.
Njay, I am sorry to hear about you losing your mom. May you find comfort in having helped her feel loved and cared for until the end.
Yes, The A&E Scott Peterson series is baffling. Makes you wonder which of Peterson's supporters has a connection to A&E. It is totally biased in his favour, and does not present all the evidence against him. And if it does, it's just mentioned in passing. Is he angling for a re-trial?
njay - so sorry for your loss!
I was so glad to see Strawberry Shortcake, the red headed juror, years after the trial and she didn't have the wild, bright hair. I was so happy that she still felt the same way now when she was a juror back then!
He did it.
A Omaha Steaks commercial is on with the crockpot meals and a free crockpot.
With all the talk about the Instant Pot, maybe they should of chose it over the crockpot. lol
njay, I'm so sorry about the passing of your mother. She was fortunate to have you caring for her. I hope time helps soften the pain of her loss and that you will be comforted by memories of time spent with her. You have my sincere condolences, thoughts and prayers.
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The almost blind elderly woman looking through her kitchen window at the sidewalk, saying it was Lacey and her dog.
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And that bs story that his lawyers never learned about all those witnesses that supposedly saw Laci walking the dog. They said they were never informed, well why didn't they investigate and search for witnesses that might have seen something. Cripes they were charging one million dollars for their services. They should have done a little footwork themselves if they were so sure Scott was innocent.
njay - My condolences too on the death of your mother. The loss of a parent, whatever the circumstances, is almost unbearable at the time, but as each day passes I hope your memories that you took good care of her sustain you as you face the future without her.
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I think I mentioned recently that after reading about it here, we caught up on the first three episodes of the Scott Peterson series over Labor Day weekend and we've been watching it weekly since then. And, as I mentioned, I thought it was very much done from a defense perspective.
The final episode is tonight. Last week it appeared they're floating a defense theory that Laci's murder is connected to a burglary across the street. I think they're going to get into that more tonight, with a claim that Laci allegedly confronted the burglars across the street. Yes, that makes sense. A pregnant woman sees some shady guys outside her neighbor's house across the street and, rather than calling the police, she walks over there to confront them. Sure.
Also, it seems the theory is that these burglars killed her, possibly when they decided to burglarize her house. Makes no sense. Even if she never confronted them and they just happened to burglarize her house after they hit the house across the street, we'e supposed to believe that upon coming across a pregnant woman in the house, they decided to kill her when they were just their to rob stuff/Christmas presents.
And, Scott's defenders are claiming the bodies were planted in that area of the bay after all the news about Scott fishing there. So, this insane theory means burglars killed her and instead of getting the heck out of there ASAP, they took the body with them. When the heck has a burglar ever done that?!? Then, we're to believe they held onto the body for a while and after the story hit the news and they learned where Scott had been fishing, they drove up there and dumped her weighted down body in the bay just to frame Scott.
It's so ridiculous. His sister-in-law Janie is completely delusional. So is his older sister. They even gave theories about the stuff that was found in his car when he was arrested at the golf course. They claim he had his brother's ID on him simply so he could get in and play golf. And the $10,000 in cash was a mistake that I think they said his mother made when making a withdrawal. She hit an extra zero by accident. What? So why not go into the bank and deposit back the extra $900? And why would Scott have it in his car? So stupid. I really can't believe how they defend him.
njay,
My condolences on the passing of your mother. As far as the Instant Pot--whichever you prefer;) We could come up with some great recipes for both, I'm sure,
No doubt in my mind about Scott Peterson's guilt. The fact that he did not want the baby ("I was hoping for infertility"), that he sought out a new mistress when his wife was in the late stages of pregnancy, that he told that mistress that he had "lost" his wife--and then she disappeared right after he said that...all coincidence? The clincher for me was him talking on his cell to Amber while he was attending a vigil for Laci, and pretending to Amber that he was at a New Year's celebration in Paris, at the Eiffel Tower--"The crowd is unreal". You could never convince me that this guy is innocent.
Scott is a classic sociopath. I don't believe that he is sorry for what he did to Lacey and Connor. Sociopaths can come off as very charming. So he tricked a lot of people into thinking he was the all American guy. Look at Ted Bundy. Same thing. Even interviewers and police fell for his capitivating personality, while others admitted they forgot that they were dealing with a serial killer. That's how he fooled the victims
njay, my condolences on losing your mother. It sounds like this has been very difficult for you, and I'm so sorry for that.
Sending healing thoughts your way ((()))
Layla said... 143
We need a thread dedicated to Instant Pot ideas! The first couple times I opened mine, I admit, I ducked like a complete scaredy-cat. You can never be too careful, right? Now I whip off that lid like a pro. I bought another pot for it and just switch them out as each thing finished.
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Mine makes this *tinkly* noise when I open and close it.
Yeah...I get a kick out of it!
OT- prayers going out to Mexico after the frightening earthquake. 44 dead so far.
And also to Puerto Rico, which is in the path of Maria.
OT- Netflix has Series 6 of Call The Midwife.
I love Nonnatus House and its cast of characters ;-)
I also recently binged GLOW on Netflix.
It's one of those shows that starts a bit slow, and then really pulls you in.
I love the throwback to the '80s.
Was our hair really that bad?
Another thing about Scott Peterson and his bogus fishing story. He said he was thinking of playing golf that day, Christmas Eve day. But, he said it was too cold so he decided to go fishing instead. Huh?? Too cold for the golf course, but not too cold to be out on a boat in the San Francisco Bay, which can be cold on a summer day, let alone in late December.
Plus, he drove almost 90 minutes north to launch the boat. But, he was only "fishing" for an hour or less. Yeah, right. We're supposed to believe he loaded up the boat and drove three hours round trip, on Christmas Eve, just to fish for an hour? Such bull crap.
Plus, I love the phony message he left for Laci on her voicemail when he left the marina. It was all sweet, baby, I'm on my way home, love you bull. He's a sick bastard.
I followed the case at the time, but watching this series really makes me appreciate and give a lot of credit to Amber Frey for not only going to the police, but also working with them for a long time in taping all the phone calls from Scott. She didn't have to put herself through that. Watching the series, all the commentators who followed the trial said the trial was not going well for the prosecution but that all changed once all the Amber tapes were played. The jury finally saw what a sociopathic liar Scott was.
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OT- Netflix has Series 6 of Call The Midwife
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Miranda Hart who plays the very tall, clumsy nurse had a comedy show on BBC for 3 seasons. She was soooo funny. I saw it on Acorn, but it's not there any longer. You can see full episodes on YouTube
Scott said he remained (ahem) 'stoic' because if he showed any kind of emotion, he would be damned if he did or damned if he didn't. WRONG CHOICE asshole. If he was innocent, he would have been as torn up as the rest of the family. And it would have shown. People aren't completely stupid.
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Plus, I love the phony message he left for Laci on her voicemail when he left the marina. It was all sweet, baby, I'm on my way home, love you bull. He's a sick bastard.
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He had this whole thing planned for quite awhile. The phone call, the Martha Stewart meringue, the phony story about Laci taking the dog for a walk. He let that dog out with the leash on when he left the house so it would collaberate with the dog walking story he told the police about. The sunflower computer search and the Martha Stewart show can easily be explained away after the fact.
Miranda Hart who plays the very tall, clumsy nurse had a comedy show on BBC for 3 seasons. She was soooo funny. I saw it on Acorn, but it's not there any longer. You can see full episodes on YouTube
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"Miranda" is one of my all-time favorites! How funny is she?!
Love, love her and Gary, her mother (doobrees!), Stevie, Tilly and the whole cast.
It just makes me want to go and punch a Vicar!
I actually subscribed to Hulu so I could continue watching after the show left Acorn.
I actually subscribed to Hulu so I could continue watching after the show left Acorn.
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When she answered the door wearing a fake mustache and that black lycra body suit and it's her date coming early, I laughed so hard I cried, oh and when she had to sing a verse of Old McDonald:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTb7edBKI5I
...hysterical. Love her.
Thank you everyone for your condolences and kind words. I feel very blessed that I had the opportunity to take care of both dad and mom until the good Lord took them home. It wasn't always easy but the rewards are astronomical. It's hard to believe that it has been collectively ten years.
njay said... 184
I feel very blessed that I had the opportunity to take care of both dad and mom until the good Lord took them home. It wasn't always easy but the rewards are astronomical.
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Njay, I agree, the rewards are great - the valuable time we are able to spend with our loved ones in the privacy and comfort of our own home being the most rewarding. Some people understandably have no choice but to place their family member in a facility and that has to be a very difficult decision.
I realize it is a delicate subject at this time, but to touch upon it briefly there have been so many reports about the ill-treatment of some residents of these facilities - especially the most incapacitated residents - that are horrifying and need to be urgently addressed by those in charge.
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Scott said he remained (ahem) 'stoic' because if he showed any kind of emotion, he would be damned if he did or damned if he didn't. WRONG CHOICE asshole. If he was innocent, he would have been as torn up as the rest of the family. And it would have shown. People aren't completely stupid.
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Don't you just hate it when people and especially defense attorneys say that everyone grieves in their own way? Nothing's standard. People process things different.
What a crock of beans!
Your pregnant wife, missing and your not curled up in a corner in the fetal position rocking and blabbering with a crazed look on your face!?!
Remember how agitated he got about handing out the flyers? He did not want to be there. He convinced himself while planning this that everything was going to workout for him. He would be free as a bird.
He forgot to consider that it could blow up so huge that it could possibly get him accused, arrested, face the death penalty and get convicted and spend the rest of his life in San Quentin on Death Row.
He was that arrogant and narcassic.
You did it, Scott.
Does Milo look like a celebrity -- Gladys Kravitz? Does LOM look like Abner (was that his name) Kravitz?
Whatever happened to that sheeple who was pestering Kate to find out where Kate got that purple top? The one who went out and bought a dress like Kate was wearing at the block party? Michelle? She wanted to look like Kate. I wonder if she ever found that shirt.
How many years has Nicole's book been on Kate's bedside table?
I haven't watched the final "Who Killed Laci Peterson" episode yet. It is recorded.
I have most enjoyed listening to the jurors comments. It was interesting to see Amber Fry years later. She is still poised and well-spoken.
"Everyone grieves in their own way..." Scott's way was to take a fantasy trip to the Eiffel Tower for a New Year's Eve party and call his girlfriend to describe the experience.
Probably one-of-a-kind grieving.
Don't you just hate it when people and especially defense attorneys say that everyone grieves in their own way? Nothing's standard. People process things different.
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I have to play devil's advocate here for a minute but a defense attorney is just doing what he's paid to do. Everyone, no matter how guilty, is entitled to a defense. The burden of proof is on the prosecution and they have to prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt.
OK, no dog piling on the rabbit please.
Billy Bush and his wife have split after 20 years. Didn't Kate have a crush on him or vice-versa?
The Peterson family is desperately trying to prove Scott's innocence by retracing his steps that day, debunking the scent-dog and accusing the burglars of a detailed modus operandus of the murder. But they didn't mention the boat, the odd choice to go fishing that day or the coincidence of where the bodies of his wife and baby were recovered. They're making fools of themselves, but I suppose they feel it's worth that much to them to keep the creep alive. I fast lost sympathy with them last night.
Don't you just hate it when people and especially defense attorneys say that everyone grieves in their own way? Nothing's standard. People process things different.
What a crock of beans!
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People do grieve in their own ways. I don't think it's a crock of anything.
In Scott's case, however, that smug look he always had on his face was disgusting. He was grieving that he had been caught with his pants down, both literally and figuratively. Behind bars is exactly where he needs to be.
When Laci's mom spoke about Laci not having arms to hold her baby, it broke my heart.
OT, but a nice story about a very nice celeb.
My daughter-from-another-mother (she's been one of my sons' best friend since they were kids, so I unofficially adopted her) moved to NYC for school, and is waitressing in a restaurant there. Last weekend Richard Gere came in to eat, and she waited on him. She said he was very nice to everyone, asked everyone's name--and remembered them all. He made a point to thank the kitchen staff for making some changes to his dish so that it was vegan (it was a vegetarian dish, but they were able to make some substitutions so that it was vegan). He told them how much he appreciated their efforts, and explained that he is a Buddhist, so keeping a vegan diet is very important to him. My DFAM has a signature drink that she created (no alcohol), and she made it for him. He loved it, and asked her to show him how to make it. She was so flattered. She said that, of all the celebs she has waited upon (there have been many), he was by far the nicest, and never came off as fake. Most of the celebs who come in are very entitled, demanding, and never show any appreciation. Nice to know there are still some good ones out there!
Very cool story, Layla! I love Richard Gere and his veganism serves him well.
That's so nice, Layla. I like Richard Gere, especially in films since he played middle aged roles. One of my favorites is Unfaithful, where he plays the cheated-on husband and the story of his reaction: understated yet in depth characterization.
I love to hear stories about celebrities being humble and genuinely nice people.
I mentioned this before, but I was the nurse of Andrea Martin's son back in the day. Although worried about her child, she was sweet and funny and just plain nice to everyone.
Layla (#193), great story. One of the things I like about Richard Gere is that he has aged gracefully in the public eye, and seems to have eschewed plastic surgery. Of course guys have an easier time of it in the movie industry, and don't face the same pressure women do to nip, tuck, and lift everything.
Just thought of something. Remember when Hannah told the camera Kate had not got her the unicorn Halloween costume/ Wonder if that was a punishment for going to her dad's or not calling him 'Jon?'
Kate probably plays these games all the time.
One of my favorites is Unfaithful, where he plays the cheated-on husband and the story of his reaction: understated yet in depth characterization.
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I love that movie. Every time it's on cable I watch it (again yesterday). It's so low-key, but he is wonderful in it. I think it's under-rated.
I have to play devil's advocate here for a minute but a defense attorney is just doing what he's paid to do. Everyone, no matter how guilty, is entitled to a defense. The burden of proof is on the prosecution and they have to prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt.
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Mickey Sherman's "How Can You Defend Those People?" is a very good read.
Layla, what a great story about Richard Gere!
He thanked the kitchen staff for adjusting his food to be vegan and he was grateful.
TFW would never do that. They can't wait for her to leave.
I thought it was suspicious that SP picked Christmas eve day to go fishing in a boat that no one knew he had on the very day his wife disappeared. More than suspicious that he fished in the same area where the bodies were found. He's a slimeball and a lousy liar.
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It's stacks upon stacks of ODD behavior. He is either a murderer or one unlucky guy always in the wrong place doing the wrong thing saying the wrong thing.
What about him telling Amber he lost his wife weeks BEFORE she was killed? Yowser!
And wouldn't even the worst of husbands stick around on Christmas Eve? That is usually one of the busiest days of the year for families even without kids. Cooking, cleaning, last minute present wrapping, getting ready for church or other gatherings. I think most wives would be pretty annoyed he goes off on some pleasure cruise for half the day. Add to that her being pregnant and needing his help with all the holiday preparations? It makes no sense.
And, is Christmas eve really a time for random murders? Even murderers are busy over the holidays.
I will never forget the first time I saw anything about Scott Peterson. The tv was on the TODAY show and they were showing the candlelight vigil, the camera panning the crowd and at that point, I didn't really know who he was.
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I just learned that my local radio guys on KFI years ago when this all went down apparently pegged this right away as all Scott, and were so passionate about it they went up there with bullhorns and started hectoring him, asking questions few were willing to ask, pushing the issue. They basically Nancy Graced him on his front lawn. Pretty awesome.
One of my favorites is Unfaithful, where he plays the cheated-on husband and the story of his reaction: understated yet in depth characterization.
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I love that movie. Every time it's on cable I watch it (again yesterday). It's so low-key, but he is wonderful in it. I think it's under-rated.
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I just saw it for the first time, it was on the plane and it looked intriguing. Where has this gem been all this time?!
It was interesting, raw, real, and might I say, damn sexy. I have a woman crush on Diane Lane and I don't know how she fizzled out. A lot of movies have portrayed affairs but few really emphasize how emotionally torn one might feel. Affairs are usually portrayed as glamorous, not home wrecking emotional vortexes.
I agree, it's underrated.
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