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According to Jon's lawyers, Kate has been unable to produce the actual documents of the alleged agreement. She is however asking Jon to pay up now that he has asked for custody.
Jon's lawyers are asking the bill nonetheless be reduced to zero, arguing that the 2012 agreement would be prohibited by law, is vague, has not even been produced to review, is against public policy and not in the children's best interest.
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«Oldest ‹Older 401 – 600 of 823 Newer› Newest»Oh, no! Jon drank beer! And then went for a walk! Sheesh, these people need to get over it. Adults sometimes drink.
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Haha, and they certainly tend to drink beer at the Jersey Shar!
Seriously, every mid-Atlantic kid should be spending summers at the shore. What a relief she is doing such normal childhood things.
In regards to Midnight's comment I wonder what happened to cause this breakdown between Hannah and Kate, no idea, but I wonder if Kate took advantage of the fact that Hannah was her golden. I wonder if she thought she could get away with any ole crap and Hannah will just put up with it. WHOOPS.
I get the distinct impression Hannah is probably one of the smartest of the kids. She was always bigger stronger and ahead of everyone else. She may be emotionally more developed than them, and able to identify her unhealthy environment and do something about it easier than other children. They may watch and take her lead, we'll see.
I wonder if Hannah goes "home" to swim in the saltwater pool, the one that Kate blogged saved on community pool memberships, or if Jon takes Hannah to a mediocre community pool where she can actually socialize with other kids.
"love how Jon is trying to make Hannah's life as normal as possible."
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That's the way he is, so it doesn't surprise me that he would say, "Let's go for ice cream or pizza." Nothing planned, just spontaneous. If she drips it on her shirt, he would just laugh and say, "It will come out in the wash."
Hannah seemed to worry about 'Mommy' on the show. I also wonder what happened to this seemingly close relationship. I think Hannah is a very brave girl. Now she gets frequent ice cream runs instead of once a year 'ice cream for dinner'...and her loving dad.
I can't begin to imagine TFW's rage about this development with H. The fantasy world she's been pushing for more than a decade, through the show and then Twitter and Insta, is falling down around her. She will not be able to peddle it ever again, and it must be a horrifying realization. And it frightens me to think of the 6 innocent children at home who might be bearing the brunt of her anger.
Formerly Duped (#4), ah, yes, that warm, wonderful, spontaneous "ice cream for dinner" with just Mom, Dad, 7 siblings and a freakin' production crew.
I wouldn't be surprised if some of the children's worst childhood memories involved having personal, private family moments ruined by cameras. And I think we will have at least one book from a G kid which will tell us from the horse's mouth.
"Someone asked if she still sees her brothers & sisters & she said that she did but she didn't explain further."
Maybe she saw them at school? That wouldn't happen during the summer though. It's a shame if Jon's visitation is messed up. It's good Hannah is free.
Kate has repeatedly forced Hannah to film when she was having stress headaches, and that could have driven a wedge between Kate and her golden child. Didn't Kate shrug off H's headaches as "just a Hannah thing"? I bet it was a lot more than that to Hannah, who was in pain and forced to work anyway, and at such a young age. It must have made her realize that her real value to Kate was filming. Kate's priority is filming, not H, and H is smart enough to figure that out. I think one of the stories that came out last summer mentioned that H didn't want to film anymore. Can anyone blame her?
I hate comments like this on H’s instagram posts. She is a a child of divorce. She should not feel pressure to pick a side from anyone especially a stranger on the internet. This is the sort of thing fans should know to post on Jon’s Instagram not H’s. It’s scary that some adults don’t know proper boundaries when talking to a minor.
“I am sure Kate is hating this all but I hope this leads a path to having better relationships with the kids”
Andrea
ncgirl said... 8
"Someone asked if she still sees her brothers & sisters & she said that she did but she didn't explain further“
When I left my abusive mother when I turned 18, I had to deal with her trying to find me and talk to me even though I had asked for space. I had to get a restraining order. I think Kaye would do something similar.
H is also going to have to deal with Kate trying to manipulate her through her siblings. And, have them pass her messages from Kate when she sees them. I hope H has found a safe place where she can heal.
Andrea
Andrea (#11), sorry to hear about your experience with abuse at a young age. I hope you are continuing to heal.
Yes, Hannah has a long, difficult road ahead of her. Being away from her mom provides relief from some problems, but creates others.
Andrea (11),
You made a good point there. Abusers are also manipulators. That's how they get away with the abuse. In Kate's case, she also has a second, even more pressing (to her) reason to try to manipulate Hannah.. She also needs to get Hannah back for filming. Even if she can get TLC to film another season of K+8, it's going to be a disaster to try to pass it off with only 6 kids (at most). She won't let up, and she will use the other kids to try to guilt H, plead with her, pressure her to come back so Kate can continue to use her. I think H has her mother's motives figured out, though. She knows what her mother is up to, and what her mother wants.
Layla said... 13
She won't let up, and she will use the other kids to try to guilt H, plead with her, pressure her to come back so Kate can continue to use her. I think H has her mother's motives figured out, though.
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I'm expecting TLC to do another show where they park Kate's butt on a stool and let her explain her actions, like they did for the infamous RV trip with Jamie and Ashley. I shouldn't really say I expect it, but I would not be surprised if the shrew is negotiating a Kate Tells All type of episode so she can gain a few sympathy votes. When all else fails she turns on the waterworks. We've seen her do that more than once.
Obviously she's desperate by this point to get back on tv and I think this phoney dating show thing is running into problems trying to find a man who isn't tempted to 'suffocate' the heifer.
Andrea (11),
You made a good point there. Abusers are also manipulators. That's how they get away with the abuse. In Kate's case, she also has a second, even more pressing (to her) reason to try to manipulate Hannah.. She also needs to get Hannah back for filming. Even if she can get TLC to film another season of K+8, it's going to be a disaster to try to pass it off with only 6 kids (at most)
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At this point everyone should seriously consider reading Missy Francis's devastating autobiography Diary of a Stage Mother's Daughter. It's just so on point in regards to understanding what Hannah is going through right now.
Obviously she's desperate by this point to get back on tv and I think this phoney dating show thing is running into problems trying to find a man who isn't tempted to 'suffocate' the heifer.
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LOL! One who desperately wants to remove the stick from her butt, but is scared to do so! If Jon couldn't do it, I doubt that a stranger has the nerve and ability to perform the surgery.
Even if Kate or one of Hannah’s siblings convinced her to come back I’m not sure the courts would allow that. This seems like something Hannah has wanted for a while and they might be suspicious why she wants to go back all of a sudden. They also might be against a child going back and forth so much
I think we can officially say Kate+8 is dead and will never return. I can't imagine TLC will even try to do a show when Collin is not at home, Hannah lives with Jon and you can be sure he won't allow anyone to pressure Hannah into filming and Cara has been MIA? Hence the dating show. And I'll believe the dating show when I hear an ad saying it's going to air. I do hope the other kids still see Jon.
"Kate has repeatedly forced Hannah to film when she was having stress headaches, and that could have driven a wedge between Kate and her golden child."
I had forgotten the headaches. Kate will film a child, no matter what the medical problem is. Wasn't Cara or one of the children on the show hurt, and it took Kate forever to get them to the doctor? Or the time she filmed the children's seasickness. Or when Colin was constipated. I think Hannah is waking up to what her mother has done.
I'd forgotten about Hannah's stress headaches while being forced to film. Let's hope now that she is enjoying life with her father, the headaches are a thing of her sad past.
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ncgirl (#19), the show documented so many instances of poor parenting choices. As I've said before, TFW won't be able to gaslight her kids about their amazing golden-platter childhoods when there is so much evidence of her physical and emotional neglect.
Joel had a stomachache and back pain on the episode where they got suitcases.
Hannah posted a pic of her and Jon an hour ago:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BkOcAJEHl4B/
itsmehjg Fun summer day in the Poconos with Dad and family!!! Great Wolf Lodge and Barley Creek Brewery.
Jon posted a comment on Hannah's IG post, and she replied:
jongosselin1 This is a great mini vacay!!! Had a lot of@fun at the water park!!! Breakfast and slides tomorrow!!! Love you!!!
itsmehjg @jongosselin1 love you too!!!
"Fun summer day in the Poconos with Dad and family!!! Great Wolf Lodge and Barley Creek Brewery."
The Great Wolf Lodge is a fun, indoor water park and hotel. I went to the one in Virginia. It's great she's on a vacation without TLC cameras.
It's so nice to see Hannah happy and just living a normal life. Seeing her doing some of these normal things with Jon, like being at a Super Bowl party at a restaurant, going out to breakfast, going for ice cream runs, Starbucks trips, out to dinner, to the beach, etc. just confirms what we have always said. The kids basically did nothing and went nowhere with TFW unless TLC planned it, paid for it, and paid TFW to do it. I'm so happy that Hannah got out of that house while she still had her teenage years left to experience a normal and happy family life.
Lordy be, TFW's gonna lose her shizzle when she sees this!
I thought Jon was an unemployed loser who lived in a tar-paper shack and didn't have 2 nickels to rub together? Well, somehow he must've found some change from his non-leather couch cushions and sprung for a vacation. With NO cameras.
Conversation in Hannah's IG post, (confirming what Sandylove told us at #170 a page back):
mom2aboyngirl Are you living with your dad now?
catakakat @mom2aboyngirl she is!
aidensmom42 @catakakat how do you know this? I mean it seems she is. She looks very happy.
catakakat. @aidensmom42 they were on insta live and someone asked and she said she's living with him
I wonder who the "and family" is.
I've never been to Great Wolf Lodge but I've heard it's an absolute kid wonderland. Go Jon!
At first I thought the "family" might mean Colleen's kids are probably there too. Then, I thought wouldn't it be nice if they were also with some of Jon's family and Hannah's cousins.
It's so nice to see Hannah happy and just living a normal life. Seeing her doing some of these normal things with Jon, like being at a Super Bowl party at a restaurant, going out to breakfast, going for ice cream runs, Starbucks trips, out to dinner, to the beach, etc. just confirms what we have always said.
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What's hilarious is Hannah's instagram in two weeks is about ten times more interesting than her mother's. She's 14!
Oh and speaking of Missy Francis, I am actually reading her newest book Life Lessons from the Prairie, another gem and a quick read. She mentions her crazy mother from time to time in the book which is mostly about life lessons she learned through her weird childhood and career in the news biz and not as much focused on her mom. It actually wasn't her experience with acting itself that much damaged her (she was treated well by Michael Landon and everybody), but how her mom was. But, she says this, that her mom got sick of her and her sister pretty quick each day, and even though she was old enough to stay up later, made sure she was off to bed and lights out at a very early hour. As a result, Missy didn't even know who Michael Landon was, she was never up to see his shows.
Sound familiar?
She does have some interesting gossip though from time to time, like how Michael Landon was total fun and games when the cameras were off but actually quite strict when the cameras were on. If you forgot your lines, he would be madder than a wet hen. I imagine that had to do with money, the price of film, the price of mistakes, and his high expectations. Missy realized one day she forgot to take her retainer out during filming a scene and dreaded having to tell Michael they needed to reshoot. She mysteriously leaves out how he ultimately reacted to her confession. Poor kid, I don't know, as good a man as he was, I still think sets are inherently dysfunctional.
I thought Jon was an unemployed loser who lived in a tar-paper shack and didn't have 2 nickels to rub together
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Don't the sheeple think that he is deceased?
I thought Jon was an unemployed loser who lived in a tar-paper shack and didn't have 2 nickels to rub together? Well, somehow he must've found some change from his non-leather couch cushions and sprung for a vacation. With NO cameras.
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Wolf Lodge ain't cheap.
I'd forgotten about Hannah's stress headaches while being forced to film. Let's hope now that she is enjoying life with her father, the headaches are a thing of her sad past.
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I'd also forgotten that but yeesh! I'd love to know the real story about that one, maybe someone could ask on her next instalive, if they can do so in a manner that is appropriate and respectful.
My daughters brought the grandkids to Wolf Lodge here in MA last year during February vacation and they had a blast. As Admin said, not cheap.
Remember when TFW bailed on going to church on Easter Sunday because some kids had allergies? But when filming for back-to-school shopping was scheduled for the day, poor H's migraine headache didn't matter.
H may not even remember that day. But she can sure as heck watch it when she's an adult, and see how her mother ignored her suffering for the sake of a TV schedule.
I love that Hannah is the one posting the pictures because TFW can’t accuse Jon of breaking a gag order or anything like that. Both Jon and Hanna are thumbing their noses at her. Is TFW vengeful enough to go after Hannah? Wouldn’t that make a great story!
One thing that I noticed about the picture of Jon and Hannah that you rarely see in a picture of TFW is that their smiles reach their eyes. No dead shark eyes here. They actually enjoy being together and it shows.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BkOcAJEHl4B/
Even if Kate or one of Hannah’s siblings convinced her to come back I’m not sure the courts would allow that. This seems like something Hannah has wanted for a while and they might be suspicious why she wants to go back all of a sudden. They also might be against a child going back and forth so much
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That's correct. You don't bounce kids around. Stability is paramount. This kid is extremely unlikely to ever leave Jon's custody again.
Does anyone remember years ago, I was talking about momentum in family court? How once you have the momentum going in your favor and are winning and have the kids, it can be near impossible for the parent who is the underdog to make any headway. Even if they are a good parent. Even if they deserve custody.
Jon found a way to get Hannah back and it was mostly because Hannah made it happen. But, now JON has the momentum. Now KATE has an uphill battle trying to get Hannah back. Now Kate is the one with the odds stacked against her. Karma is a bitch.
I know someone had posted about Brad Pitt's custody case, and I'm sorry I can't remember who now. But it's worth noting with People says the judge stated about giving Brad more custody just a short time ago:
“not having a relationship with their father is harmful to them,” adding that “it is critical that each of them have a healthy and strong relationship with their father and mother.”
“If the minor children remain closed down to their father and depending on the circumstances surrounding this condition, it may result in a reduction of the time they spend with [Jolie] and may result in the Court ordering primary physical custody to [Pitt].”
And this is also what I was talking about, how there is a very popular, and well researched school of thought that the way to help a parent who is alienated is to GIVE MORE CUSTODY to the alienated parent. Even if the kid kicks and screams. And notice the judge apparently believes just that, saying Mom, if this continues, Dad's getting more time. Try me.
Great Wolf Lodge is not inexpensive, but it sure is fun. It's wonderful that Hannah is experiencing REAL family vacations without TLC cameras and having to work.
Also not cheap, the pic that Jon posted on Father's Day with Hannah and Colleen was taken in Buddakan restaurant in Atlantic City.
It seems that Hannah has done more and been to more places in the last month with Jon than the other kids stuck in the TFW compound have in a year. With TLC not filming in such a long time, and probably never again, those kids are really going to be stuck there isolated and "staring at the walls".
I read Missy's books and though they were ok, not the best writing IMO but an important story, and also those of other Prairie kids. Seems Michael Landon had a temper and ego as well as some other vices, but he used guilt and emotional control over the children by withholding his affection and approval if they messed up. He was a decent man at heart but knew how to control these kids where it hurt to get the perfect shot.
Seems Michael Landon had a temper and ego as well as some other vices, but he used guilt and emotional control over the children by withholding his affection and approval if they messed up.
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Well there must be something at least a little offf about you when you write scripts about mimes raping children. He sounds like a good man, just flawed like everyone else. All the more reason a set teacher should be taking care of kids on set, not the director.
Admin (#43), I think working with Michael Landon was probably complicated for adults as well as kids because of the number of hats her wore. He not only was the lead actor, but produced the show, and wrote and directed many episodes.
If you were acting with co-star Michael and director/writer/producer Michael yelled cut and asked you to re-do the scene, you were disappointing that one man on so many different levels. That would probably be hard for a little kid who was a perfectionist and/or a people-pleaser. Or one who simply saw Landon as a father figure, as many seemed to.
Admin (29)
I wonder if the "and family" includes some of her siblings. I wouldn't be surprised if Kate wouldn't allow Jon or Hannah to post pictures of "her" kids, but this may be a hint from Hannah that they are there.
Flimsy Flamsy (36)
Kate forced the kids to film when they were seasick, had the flu (and she dumped Joel on the laundry room floor all by himself), when H had stress headaches, when Joel was sick, when Collin was struggling just to cope, when they were using the potty. When Jon got his hair plugs, the kids dumped on Jodi and also forced to film. As someone said above, when Cara hurt her foot, Kate made her wait for weeks before she took her to the hospital. I can't imagine any other parent putting work before their kids' well-being. Especially when it's young children being forced to work against their will in the first place. But Kate has done that over and over and over. How do people like Milo still support her desire to film these kids?
Wonderful that Hannah got to spend time in the Poconos with her Dad. I remember reading Admin's recap of the TLC trip to the Poconos and was surprised the family had not been there before because the area is relatively close to their home, compared to all the other places they visited, courtesy of TLC.
If I recall correctly they were filmed fishing, boating and horseback riding and, of course, K8 was her usual exhausted.
It must have been so refreshing for Hannah to just enjoy the area and the time with her Dad at their leisure, without having to "work" for TLC's cameras.
bm
I too wonder if "and family" might mean Hannah's cousins, either on Jon or Kate's side. IIRC, didn't Jon keep in touch with Kevin and Jodi, even after the divorce? Their kids and the Gosselin kids were so close, until Kate decided to cut off those relationships too. I really hope Hannah gets the chance to rekindle her connection with Kevin and Jodi and their children.
I just love the fact that Jon took Hannah (and hopefully some of the other kids) to a water park. I remember from a recap of a recent episode that Kate said they had never been to a water park because SHE doesn't like them. It's all about her. I bet Jon went on the water slides too, and didn't just stand to the side and ham it up for cameras like Kate did. He'd go on the slide even if he didn't like water parks just because it would be more fun for his kids. He's all about the kids. She's all about herself.
Lorrie (#47), you could be right. It'd be lovely if the kids could re-connect with their cousins.
I think TFW's clannish behavior kept so many of the G children's loved ones either at arm's length, or completely kicked to the curb. She will have a lot to answer for when, one by one, those kids process what was taken from them. And I predict atleast one will never forgive her.
Hannah's latest post on Instagram: I had a great time @greatwolflodge with my dad and my dads family.
Happy for her she has that connection with Jon's family especially without TLC to record the event.
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Hannah just posted a pic collage on IG, (the pics are only of her and Jon):
https://www.instagram.com/p/BkQVxrHHD-6/
itsmehjg I had a great time @greatwolflodge with my dad and my dads family
The poconos recap is here: http://www.realitytvkids.com/2017/01/recap-kate-plus-8-puppies-poconos-now.html
Some interesting predictions in hindsight:
"Why is Kate yelling and clapping at her kids? Apparently she wants them to put their bags out by the van. Well, then ask them to do that in a normal tone like a normal person, what's with all the hollering? It's never more prevalent how much snipping and sniping she does to her kids. I've commented about it several times, and it just never lets up. The kids are going to resent it, and resent it very deeply, if they don't already. How awful to constantly have someone speaking to you in such a high-stress, negative tone."
Also, Kate can't swim, which might explain why she hates water parks. So? Get lessons!
The Poconos episode reveals that Alexis didn't want to get on a boat because she pukes every time but Kate forced her to go. And that's why one by one they're going to leave this shrew.
Admin (#43), I think working with Michael Landon was probably complicated for adults as well as kids because of the number of hats her wore. He not only was the lead actor, but produced the show, and wrote and directed many episodes.
If you were acting with co-star Michael and director/writer/producer Michael yelled cut and asked you to re-do the scene, you were disappointing that one man on so many different levels. That would probably be hard for a little kid who was a perfectionist and/or a people-pleaser. Or one who simply saw Landon as a father figure, as many seemed to.
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Yes spot on, he was basically running the empire, the mob boss, and when you let him down you really were letting him down. I also think he tended to really pick up some of the most emotionally intelligent, gifted child actors out there, most of whom have been wild successes as adults, but with that comes very intense children who feel disappointments very deeply and take things seriously.
I'm torn about it, because it couldn't be clearer all the kids adored him. In many respects he sounds like a stern father or stern professor. Expectations are high, perhaps higher than you ever were called to do before, and you think it's unfair sometimes yet in the end you appreciate how he pushed you. Disappointing him is serious business, but he would lay down on railroad tracks for you and you know it and you love him for it.
Kate forced the kids to film when they were seasick, had the flu (and she dumped Joel on the laundry room floor all by himself), when H had stress headaches, when Joel was sick, when Collin was struggling just to cope, when they were using the potty. When Jon got his hair plugs, the kids dumped on Jodi and also forced to film. As someone said above, when Cara hurt her foot, Kate made her wait for weeks before she took her to the hospital.
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And how about touring NYC in the middle of a heat wave and making the kids sit on the upper deck of a bus so they can get a serious case of heat stroke. But that's okay because a couple of people recognized Kate while she was up there screeching like a chicken hawk so it was all worthwhile.
When you look back, it's unbelievable what those kids went through to keep that show on the air. I'm sure they haven't forgotten those memory making moments either. I can't wait until their books start coming out.
“I'm expecting TLC to do another show where they park Kate's butt on a stool and let her explain her actions, like they did for the infamous RV trip with Jamie and Ashley. I shouldn't really say I expect it, but I would not be surprised if the shrew is negotiating a Kate Tells All type of episode so she can gain a few sympathy votes. When all else fails she turns on the waterworks. We've seen her do that more than once.“
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TLC has already done similar shows. They’ve done the “Ask Kate” type episodes we’re some of those questions were already addressed. Kate would NEVER give a true and honest answer anyway. And I think everyone, except her true dimwit fans, even care anymore
Also, Kate doesn’t have the platform she used to have in order to “set the record straight”. Talk shows or even shows like Good Morning America don’t want her anymore. This must make her furious
From what I've read, Michael Landon was a good man. He had a complicated personal life, but he was basically well thought of. Melissa Gilbert was estranged from him for awhile, but they reunited when he was sick, and she named one of her sons after him.
It's so good to see these pictures from Hannah. I hope the other Gosselin children are doing something besides staring at the walls.
Gigi Be (#56), I bet TFW's main summer activity thus far has been checking her email for someone -- anyone! -- asking her to "set the record straight."
Did anyone else pick up on this? H said the vacation was with "my dad's family." Those are the words of a child who has been brainwashed into thinking her dad is somehow separate from her. Honey, your dad's family is YOUR family, too.
It truly sickens me to think of the way TFW has poisoned her kids' minds against their loving father. I know that's just a small thing, but it spoke volumes to me.
Longtime TFW fan's comment on Hannah's IG post:
patriciachow0901 So happy for you Hannah & your Dad, See a lot of Love there between the two of you, You are blessed !
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I hope some of her fans are wondering why they never saw such love and happiness between the kids and their "mother". Also, the kids rarely went anywhere or did anything with TFW unless it was scripted, filmed, and paid for.
Someone on Hannah's Instagram asked: 'where are the other kids'. Someone else answered: "Other kids are with battle axe".
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Seems maybe more than H was with Jon. From Twitter:
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THE ONE NIGHT I DONT WORK. THE ONEEEEE NIGHT!!!! JON GOSSELIN AND THE KIDS GO TO EAT AT BARLEY. ARE U JOKING !!!!!!!
11:13 AM · Jun 20, 2018
JM, could be custody night, but here's hoping!
I wonder why Kate stopped following trust fund baby Emily.....who, BTW calls herself a “starving actor” while posting pictures of herself on a beach in the Caribbean.
Ive said things like my dad’s side of the family. I know that there my family to. That being said I’m really glad she’s getting to spend more time with them
I'm picturing Her Royal Heiny, steam coming out of her ears, sitting with her 63rd pink iPhone by her salt-water, money-saving pool, trying to figure out a quick trip she can take her remaining kids on. Nobody puts Katie in the corner.
Another longtime TFW fan commenting on Hannah's IG post:
mydmaxx2581 Great adventures and wonderful times. 😊
FlimsyFlamsy said... 59
Did anyone else pick up on this? H said the vacation was with "my dad's family." Those are the words of a child who has been brainwashed into thinking her dad is somehow separate from her. Honey, your dad's family is YOUR family, too.
It truly sickens me to think of the way TFW has poisoned her kids' minds against their loving father. I know that's just a small thing, but it spoke volumes to me.
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Wow, FlimsyFlamsy. Excellent observation, and excellent point. In my experience, kids don't talk that way.
JM (#62), thanks for that info. I certainly hope some of the other kids were with Jon and Hannah.
I'm so glad Hannah said she was with her father's side of the family. This means she finally has aunts, uncles, cousins and maybe grandparents, something she never had when she was with Kate. Hopefully Collin will be able to join her one day and reunite with Jon's family, afterall family is what keeps you connected and gives you support when things get tough.
From H's IG, one person posted, "So happy you are with your dad. I've watched the show since you were a baby. He always seemed like a loving and caring Father. God bless you, your Dad, and your siblings". There was a response from a poster named triponejaw "What a sweet comment.(smiley face emoji)". Wasn't triponejaw a former Kate supporter? I know I have seen that name before.
I hope Jon had more of the kids! Kate could have gagged him and Hannah from mentioning/posting photos of them, but people will still spot them out doing things.
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There was a Kate fan with the Twitter name trippenin. No idea if that’s who’s on Instagram.
"I bet TFW's main summer activity thus far has been checking her email for someone -- anyone! -- asking her to "set the record straight."
She has boxes of tissues ready to go to poke and dab and complain about how hard she has it.
ncgirl (#73), and I bet she's doubly desperate to leave town for some interviews because the kids are out of school and she's stuck at home with them. Blech!
From what I've read, Michael Landon was a good man. He had a complicated personal life, but he was basically well thought of. Me
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I've had her biography on my Kindle and I skimmed it for some of the good things she's said about Michael.
She said he inspired loyalty and took people from show to show. If you had a job with him you'd have it forever. She said everybody got treated the same, with everybody getting the same small shared trailers. You didn't get a big special trailer bigger than anybody else just because you were Michael Landon. He let everybody bring their kids to set so they wouldn't have to worry about childcare and the kid actors could have normal other kids to play with between takes (amazing good idea).
Michael had these kids so walled off from Hollywood Melissa says she once asked her mom what's it like to be famous? Her mom looked at her like, do you not understand you're outrageously famous? She didn't realize it!
There's just no promises kids wil have anybody like Michael to look after them on sets. He was unusual and special. The Gosselin kids, like most stars, did not have a Michael Landon on their side. Melissa's description of her last conversation with him at his house had me sobbing. He LOVED her.
Also Warren Beatty totally tried to get with her as a minor, which is disgusting. I can't believe she named names in that story.
Admin (#75), and I know I've said this 100 times, but it bears repeating: the G kids' set was their HOME. Melissa Gilbert got to take her costume off after work, go home, and put Laura Ingalls behind her. The G kids have never had that luxury. Animals on sets have better protections in their contracts than those children did.
Watch out, TFW...those 8 Little Faces just might write 8 Little Books.
The Gosselin kids, like most stars, did not have a Michael Landon on their side.
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They didn't have Michael but they did have Aunt Jody and Uncle Kevin and Beth and later their own dad and look what happened with them. They had no idea how to help so they were tossed aside and never mentioned again............
And indeed Melissa had a pretty normal home life with a new baby sister to fuss over, a brother she hated, sleepovers and friends. They went on trips together with michael and his family, no working no cameras. They comforted the family during Michael’s divorce and then death.
She’s pretty open with some of her stories. She makes Nancy Reagan sound like a fruit cake who after meeting with her and crying with her for hours, didn’t recognize her the next day. Melissa was like, the f?
SaraMRN2010 (#77), always nice to see you posting!
You just reminded me of Beth, and how she clearly loved those kids, and vice versa. Remember A wearing that little cap at her house as he happily ran around? TFW claimed Beth and Bob loved the kids "for all the right reasons." But for TFW, love is transactional. When she's done getting what she needs and/or wants from you, she's done with you.
Just the way she dealt with negative emails: "Delete!"
There was a Kate fan with the Twitter name trippenin. No idea if that’s who’s on Instagram.
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I remember that one! Most of them have disappeared, with the exception of one or two non-fans who just won't give it up and keep it alive. I have no idea why they even bother since Kate's twitter is dead to her.
I wonder if Kate still has custody of Collin. I just can't imagine her allowing Jon to visit and then to post IG pictures of C if she could stop it. We've seen pictures from 3 recent visits--the birthday one, shopping, and the one on Hannah's collage with C in a shirt and tie. Jon and H seem to be in frequent contact with C (wouldn't it be nice if he was along for the Great Wolf Lodge trip?). Kate put a lot of effort into hiding C, and I suspect that if she could pull him out of school and hide him somewhere else, she would. Anything to keep control over him and keep him from is father. She never did care about his best interests, she only cared about having control over the situation. She has to be steaming mad that the public knows that Jon is seeing C and that they seem to be really happy spending time together.
Do Kate's few remaining fans realize that Jon and Hannah visiting, taking C out, and posting IG pictures has to be approved by C, his school staff, and the court? If it wasn't allowed, it would have been stopped.
Do Kate's few remaining fans realize that Jon and Hannah visiting, taking C out, and posting IG pictures has to be approved by C, his school staff, and the court? If it wasn't allowed, it would have been stopped.
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Why would it have to be approved by the court? He does have visitation rights, does he not?
I remember that one! Most of them have disappeared, with the exception of one or two non-fans who just won't give it up and keep it alive. I have no idea why they even bother since Kate's twitter is dead to her.
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I agree. Why even keep it going? She obviously doesn't care about it, doesn't respond to tweets and right now is hung up on posting dog pictures on IG. Yawn.
A few fans will randomly pop up and ask her when to expect the next season of "Kate Plus Eight."
Blowing (82)
If Kate could go to court and legally stop Jon from seeing C and posting pictures, she would. I have no doubt that she has tried.
Blowing (#38), she doesn't even bother to pretend to be interested in her fans anymore. At least in the past she'd disappear but then return to social media and say, "I've missed you all -- what's been going on?" She made at least a tiny effort to connect, and luckily they'd set the bar pretty low for her. If and when she decides to get back online to promote the dating show (which, who knows, may already be scrapped by now), the reality is that her audience has shrunk.
Layla (#84), if TFW could go to court and legally stop Jon from EXISTING she would.
She must be incandescent with rage that Collin has been pictured with both Jon and Hannah and the public responding so favourably to seeing them together. I do feel sorry for the other children who now have to spend the summer with her rather than spending at least some time with their school friends, while she awaits media interest so that she can 'set the story straight'.
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Hmmm.
https://radaronline.com/exclusives/2018/06/jon-kate-gosselin-request-court-seal-lawsuit/
I do feel sorry for the other children who now have to spend the summer with her rather than spending at least some time with their school friends,
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Since they don't appear to be filming, perhaps they are spending some time with their school friends, even if means their friends have to go to the Gosselin household and swim in their salt water pool. We just don't know what their plans are for the summer. Maybe they are taking a beach vacation.
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Blowing (82)
If Kate could go to court and legally stop Jon from seeing C and posting pictures, she would. I have no doubt that she has tried.
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Here's the thing, though. We don't know what she has tried and what she hasn't tried. It could very well be that she's dismissed Collin entirely and really doesn't care at this point if he sees Jon, if he posts photos, or whatever. She knows she's not filming and that's all Collin was useful for, so why bother?
Blowing (90)
I also think she's dismissed Collin, just like she has done to so many other people. But she is all about her image, and if she loses two of the kids, it doesn't look good for her. Her whole persona is one of the poor, put-upon mother of 8. Her fans are wandering over to Jon's and Hannah's IGs and posting about how nice it is to se them together. Jon took the wind out of her sails by revealing Collin before she could collect a paycheck for it. And she's already dragging him to court over money and custody issues. So--while I don't think she wants anything to do with Collin, I think she also doesn't want Jon to have him. She has to stop him, and the only way to do that is through the courts.
Kate and Jon want this lawsuit sealed--is anyone surprised? They both have things they don't want the public to see. I think that Kate is afraid about what will come out with regards to Hannah going to live with Jon. Just the fact that Hannah was able to leave and live with the other parent hints at some serious issues in Kate's house. Jon probably doesn't want financial issues to get out, especially whatever he may have owed in back child support. I suspect plenty will be leaked about this case in the future.
or maybe Jon just wants to protect the kids, Collin especially.
northern luke (92),
Thank goodness one of them wants to protect the kids.
If Jon has to pay child support then he should get some of the money the children earned during that time as well.
Gimme (94)
And someone needs to check into whether ate has taken any money out of the kids' trusts. That is their money, not hers.
I can't imagine any judge upholding this agreement--that is, if Kate can produce any evidence of said agreement. It's not in the kids' best interest on either side. It's not in their best interests to relieve someone of financial support, and it is absolutely not in their best interests to forbid changes in custody if one of them wants the change or is being mistreated.
Layla (#95), the kids' best is NEVER in the equation for TFW. Take that deck for example. She crowed that it was the single most important thing she'd ever done for the health and welfare of her kids. Say what?
She wanted that for herself, and somehow needed to justify what was probably a ridiculously expensive purchase that many people saw as frivolous.
Compare that to Jon taking H to Wolf Lodge. Does anyone think that was his first choice for a vacation spot? He went because he knew his daughter would have a blast. And, since he loves her so much, her pleasure brought him pleasure. That concept is thoroughly alien to TFW.
She has twisted the parent/child dynamic so much that HER pleasure
is expected to bring her children pleasure. She is a horrible mother (RIP GollyGee).
And someone needs to check into whether ate has taken any money out of the kids' trusts. That is their money, not hers.
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The money that was set aside from their earnings, while it may be their money, can be used for their safety and welfare. Although it technically is not Kate's money, she can withdraw it for the kids' expenses, as per the agreement when the hearings and the ruling went down. That means she could use it to pay bills, such as a security system, mortgage, their clothing, food and whatever she could make applicable for their well-being and daily expenses. She can piggy-back herself on that money and can benefit from it.
At least that's the way the ruling is worded.
And she's already dragging him to court over money and custody issues.
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Are their two lawsuits? I am only aware of the one citing his arrears in child support. Is there another one regarding custody issues? Does the lawsuit recently filed mention changes in custody as well as back support? If not, then how is it known that she's dragging him into court over custody?
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She can piggy-back herself on that money and can benefit from it.
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I've said this before, I can totally see her helping herself to a regular percentage as their "manager." Maybe ole Skeve as well. But I think the money put into individual trust accounts accruing their "earnings" is separate and apart from the trust(s) she and Jon claim they had set up for college. In theory, she shouldn't have been able to access that for day-to-day expenses.
Sad but true (#99), and I would bet that TFW has never spent a dime of her own money on C's care.
If Jon now has primary custody of Hannah, he most likely also has control of her trust account, as he's now the parent responsible for her expenses. TFW must really be ticked off that she no longer has full control of everything and everyone.
As far as their accounts, I have no doubt that she's been using the money to pay all the household expenses, and basically every expense there is. Those kids have been supporting themselves - and lazy TFW - forever.
Former Lurker (#101), it would be particularly heartbreaking if C's TLC salary went to pay for his care -- money he earned filming a show which possibly exacerbated whatever his psychological challenges were.
FlimsyFlamsy, I agree. But, at this point Collin has been away so long that the expenses must be enormous and I just don't see TFW paying for that in any way, even out of Collin's monies. I tend to think that the State is somehow paying for this.
FlimsyFlamsy, I agree. But, at this point Collin has been away so long that the expenses must be enormous and I just don't see TFW paying for that in any way, even out of Collin's monies. I tend to think that the State is somehow paying for this.
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Yes, my money is on the school district paying. Easiest way to get massive bills like this paid is the school district. They get a whiff of a lawsuit for not accommodating a kid, and they'll pay up. I'm sure Kate finagled this to a T.
A sure sign she isn't paying herself is she'd be a whole lot pissier right now.
Lon’s posted several pics of Colin. I wonder why Kate never has?? I tend to believe that the state got involved in his home removal and she’s either not allowed to visit or has lost custody. She never mentions him. If the state took him, that would explain why she said no one knew where he was and neither did his dad. Perhaps SHE didn’t know either.
It’s always been said on this blog that the minute her little money makers quit providing income she’d not care about the kids....Colin, now Hannah are gone and she doesn’t seem to care.
How strange it must be to be the G kids.... someone makes Kate angry and POOF! They’re gone.. grandparents, aunts, uncles, cousins, nannies, Beth and family, Ashely, their own father.
As far as Jon being ‘toxic’ to the twins, is Hannah now ‘toxic’ too??? M is just like Kate- perhaps she’s learned the ability to shun if someone doesn’t agree/live with Kate.
It’s really weird-6 tups, and TWO aren’t with their siblings. How bizarre is that?
Kate’s damaged her kids from in utero... now she’s causing damage between sibling relationships. If Hannah doesn’t visit the compound, she’s only able to see her siblings at school- that’s not a way to have a sibling relationship.
And now Hannah is experiencing different events, which further separates her from her siblings. I’m glad she’s escaped the compound, but it certainly sets her on a different path from her siblings.
Just when you think the situation can get any bizarre it does.
I’m glad the court records are sealed, let Jon try to fix this mess as best as he can without the public knowing specific details.
And Hannah’s portion of the trust, if there’s anything left in it? There’s a difference between physical and legal custody- perhaps legal custody is what is on the table.
Follow the money, every time.
School districts in my experience want to pay as little as possible for kids with special needs- they prefer a school IEP with as few services as they can get away with. Again money is the issue and not to say children are not helped. But either Collin's needs are very severe or Kate brought in a lawyer, doctor statements, advocates and more to her meetings over Collin's needs.The most I ever saw when my kids were in school was a full-time aide.Even for very violent psychotic children. I even had to pay for outside evaluators to prove my daughter had special needs ( her depression, anxiety and selective mutism )Just my 2 cents.
Layla (#95), the kids' best is NEVER in the equation for TFW. Take that deck for example. She crowed that it was the single most important thing she'd ever done for the health and welfare of her kids. Say what?
She wanted that for herself, and somehow needed to justify what was probably a ridiculously expensive purchase that many people saw as frivolous.
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Absolutely. All that deck was about was lazy Kate tired of carrying fixins downstairs to their perfectly wonderful outdoor space. She just wants to walk from the kitchen to a same level deck. Now, lots of people want to just walk from a kitchen to a same level outdoor space, fine. But just say that's what you want! Don't f-ing justify it by putting it on your kids! No single kid in her life is ever going to say she made childhood better by building that deck!
You know I've realized a lot of people in life are like this, whether they're talking about themselves, their work, politics. That they don't say their true intentions. They don't just own what they're trying to do. I respect a whole lot more people who just admit their end game, and don't try to play us for fools by hiding their true motives behind things like "the children" and the like.
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But how could she justify the length of time he's been in 24/7 treatment? My sense is that most states keep a fairly tight rein on these sorts of expenses, and 2+ years of in-facility treatment goes against all the conventional wisdom on what's best for the child/family. And let's not forget, C has a FATHER as an alternative to living with her if that's out of the question. It's all very confusing.
Milo seems to have completely disappeared from social media again; no posts for almost two weeks and no comments on K8's last two IG posts (11 days ago). I wonder if her urgent tattling e-mails to K8 resulted in a rebuke. I can't say I'd be surprised.
School districts in my experience want to pay as little as possible for kids with special needs- they prefer a school IEP with as few services as they can get away with.
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That's true, and millions of special needs kids will make out with only a few hundred or thousand dollars a month extra paid out from the school tops through their IEPs.
But under the right circumstances they'll pay up. I've seen school districts paying up 10,000 a month for treatment for kids with special needs or behavioral problems. If you get the right doctors and lawyers to guide your case, the money will pay out.
At the end of the day, while it sounds like a lot of money, the lawyers are weighing the cost benefits. Let's say you have a kid who is maybe going to hurt herself or others if you don't get her intensive treatment. Is it worth a lawsuit, which could be in the several millions? Or is it better to just pay the 10k a month to have them in all the right treatment so that if anything ever does happen, they have it on record they were getting the child the proper treatment. Moving Colin to a public school I think was on the advice of Kate's attorneys to get him on that educational rights track, with the end game being school district pays if and when it ever gets to that point.
It's callous, but it's cost-benefit for a lot of these schools.
But how could she justify the length of time he's been in 24/7 treatment?
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Get a doctor to sign off on it. Simple.
I may be mistaken, but I think that there might be two accounts. Didn't Jon say a long time ago that money was set aside for college and couldn't be touched? That would be different than the one stipulated when the court ruled in 2010:
"The agency ruled that the children were employed under the state's Child Labor Law because of the direction they sometimes received, because of their continued participation in the series and because the Gosselins and others were paid for the show.
It said that at least 15 percent of the gross proceeds, due to the children, must be placed in trust funds until they reach the age of 18 or unless needed for their safety, education, welfare or health. "
According to that, then, Kate could withdraw the money for not only tuition, but also medical bills, and whatever she claims is necessary for their 'welfare."
I'm just surprised anyone would sign off on this unless Collin was really terribly ill. And I just don't think he is.Is he ever going to 'get better?'
According to that, then, Kate could withdraw the money for not only tuition, but also medical bills, and whatever she claims is necessary for their 'welfare."
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...and if a new deck is required for their welfare, and a pool provides them with physical exercise (health), then those expenses could be withdrawn (by Kate) for those purposes. Heck, she could even say that they need electricity to keep them comfortable all year around, and pay all utilities out of that money set aside.
I'm just surprised anyone would sign off on this unless Collin was really terribly ill. And I just don't think he is.Is he ever going to 'get better?'
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He's not ill, he apparently has special needs. Doctors and mental health professionals sign off on high levels of care for special needs children all the time. It's a whole other world. Most kids who are in Collin's shoes, however, don't have parents able or around.
He's not ill, he apparently has special needs.
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That's what I meant. Mental illness.I have had years of struggling with the school system then health care professionals, health insurance regulations etc for my daughter so it just is amazing to me Collin is locked away so long for what does not seem- and I don't know- something maybe not too severe. I would never want my daughter to be in a residential facility ( she doen't need one, but I can imagine the struggle if she did. Just getting her meds partially paid for is hard enough)
I meant something 'Collin has something maybe not too severe' *I don't always correct my typos/ unclear post since it takes up room and you know what I mean...I hope!
so it just is amazing to me Collin is locked away so long for what does not seem- and I don't know- something maybe not too severe. I would never want my daughter to be in a residential facility ( she doen't need one, but I can imagine the struggle if she did. Just getting her meds partially paid for is hard enough)
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Kate's not normal and didn't want to deal with him like all the other parents deal with these issues, so she got him essentially to be treated like kids without parents and institutionalized. It's the same with TLC paying her way, it's the same with the state nurse for free, she always wants other people to deal with her problems and other people to pay. It's Kate, pulling stuff off is her speciality.
Her sheeple have realized it just like we have.
Admin (#118), and I think the time line is the most damming evidence against TFW. They filmed that game show episode in February of 2016 (someone noticed the date on the slate, which also revealed they were filming on a weekend). There was C, fully participating. Happy happy joy joy, rainbows and unicorns (*waves to our poster*), the most well-adjusted kids anyone's ever met. But 2 months later, his problems were so crippling that he had to be institutionalized, and has never returned home?
He's not ill, he apparently has special needs. Doctors and mental health professionals sign off on high levels of care for special needs children all the time. It's a whole other world. Most kids who are in Collin's shoes, however, don't have parents able or around.
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But what if this is something severe, so much that he was a danger to himself and others, especially his siblings and parent? In that cause, as reluctant as I would be to put him into a facility, wouldn't that be what is best not only for the child, but also for those around him? We don't know what his needs are, or exactly why he was sent away. If doctors and other mental health professionals said that this is what is the best treatment for him, it would indeed be difficult for me to make that decision, but I would trust what they had to say.
It's easy to say, "Oh, I would do this or that and never send him to a facility," but without knowing exactly what his needs are, or the extent of his problems, then speculating is just that...speculation.
I don't know anything about the system Colin's in. So the state pays for a rich person's child because of potential lawsuits? It seems unfair that a rich woman like Kate has the government pay for it. Seems like that would be for lower income families or orphans. Like Admin said, Kate can grift anything even it appears she can pay for it herself.
But what if this is something severe, so much that he was a danger to himself and others, especially his siblings and parent? In that cause, as reluctant as I would be to put him into a facility, wouldn't that be what is best not only for the child, but also for those around him?
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The preference is to care for all children in the home, even very disturbed children. There are service providers that can come to the home every day and stay all day, if need be. Some children with serious issues will have three or four different mental health professionals around them at school and home on any given day. The school district is an option for paying for all this, too.
Most people believe the home environment is far superior to an institution. But it requires work on the part of the parent and cooperation with a boatload of people, and if they aren't interested, there's nothing that can be done but put them in treatment.
I don't know anything about the system Colin's in. So the state pays for a rich person's child because of potential lawsuits?
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The state pays for ALL children, rich, poor, and in between, if they qualify under school district funding. It's not a rich thing. Funding through school districts for special needs kids is massive, but most people don't know about it because they never had to tap into serious cash from them for a kid.
"The state pays for ALL children, rich, poor, and in between, if they qualify under school district funding."
Thanks for the info. I didn't know that. That worked out well for Kate.
Collin went from being separated from his siblings by being partnered with Kate and not doing all the filmed activities along with Alexis, then to going to a public school, to home schooling but remaining at home and participating in some family filmed activities and seemed like a sweet but sad boy who loved his mom to being gone. Strange
I'm missing Tucker's Mom!
I've never worked directly on funding I'm only always on the outside edges mostly just hearing about it when there's a problem, but I THINK, for insured families, the school district might be able to collect from the parent's insurance. So they may very well be going after her medical insurance to pay the bills they owe. But that's no skin off Kate's back, at most she'd have a few minor premiums to pay, cheaper than caring for the kid herself anyhow. Any which way you slice it I bet you she's not paying.
The preference is to care for all children in the home, even very disturbed children. There are service providers that can come to the home every day and stay all day, if need be. Some children with serious issues will have three or four different mental health professionals around them at school and home on any given day. The school district is an option for paying for all this, too.
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In theory, perhaps, but it's not that easy. It takes months of preliminary assessment and evaluation for qualification, and even then there is no guarantee that someone will be provided. If it is denied, you have to go through the appeals process. If it is granted, you still have to wait until such a person/people/providers are available. If no person to be with the child can be found within the time limit, you have to go through the entire process again.
I know someone who is going through that right now, and it is very frustrating. There is a shortage of support providers. It is not a simple process.
PA Dutch Mom (#128), I hope your friend is able to get the help he/she needs for the child.
Can you imagine TFW going through this kind of challenging process to get C the help he needed? Trying this service and that service? Maing call after call before matters are addressed properly? Taking the advice of an expert on ways to help C at home? Explaining to a provider his individual challenges? She has neither the patience nor the interest in that sort of endeavor.
Especially for an icky, dirty boy.
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I can't imagine Kate going through that much trouble. She realized that C had issues (I think someone told her it wasn't in his best interests to force him to film. Otherwise, she would have kept him at home no matter what. It's all about filming) and, as she always does, she cut him out of her life. She didn't want to bother with therapy or home care. She just wanted him gone. And once he was gone, she preferred to pretend he never existed--except when she could make money off his situation by doing interviews and selling the story. Her mentions of him on the show were carefully-crafted speeches, only done out of necessity. What was it she once said? "People walk out of my life and I just keep on going". That includes Collin. I would be shocked if he ever went home again. I hope he ends up with Jon. He should not be in a facility for years on end.
I keep thinking about Kate's journal entries detailing her abuse of C. He always got the worst of her wrath. He was the one ho was shut in a room with a camera man, in the dark, alone, with his pants down, during potty training. Who shut off the light and closed the door, leaving him by himself with a grown man and a camera? Kate did. She never protected him. No wonder he has struggled, poor little guy. It's all her fault.
Layla (#130), and if we clearly saw C being marginalized while the cameras were rolling, imagine how bad things were when she was alone with him.
I know someone who is going through that right now, and it is very frustrating. There is a shortage of support providers. It is not a simple process.
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Exactly. You are right about that. I sit on the board of a social services agency, and one of the members has a special needs son. She has been back and forth with PA providers. Her son has been through the evaluation process and was approved. This has been going on for over nine months. So far there has been only one person available for support, and he's there one day a week for one hour.
She didn't want to bother with therapy or home care. She just wanted him gone.
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Does we really know that? Do we know that this wasn't suggested to her, that he did have an evaluation, but no support was available? Yes, we know how Kate is, but do we REALLY know what issues he has and to what extent she went to help him before he was admitted to the facility, supposedly on the advice of his doctors and therapists?
We don't know, and I think that's the bottom line. Everything else is speculation. What is known, however, is that she is a miserable, greedy witch.
We don't know, and I think that's the bottom line. Everything else is speculation. What is known, however, is that she is a miserable, greedy witch
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I've seen enough of her terrible, god awful parenting, including specific interactions with him that she reacted to poorly, to make a reasonable inference she didn't have the first clue how to help this kid nor the first clue how to take direction to help him from the experts. It's impossible for me to believe she gave this any kind of sincere effort. It would be the first time she ever did so for her own kids. It's kind of funny we didn't predict this one, of course a child with special needs would end up out of her care. In hindsight, what a no brainer.
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I seems like a no-brainer now, but just a few years ago none of us could fathom a mother packing off her own child like she did. I really think filming was the key to all of it. I think she was resigned to keeping him at home, but when his condition became an obstacle to filming, then she had no further use for him. If doctors or counselors (or both) told her that he could not participate in filming, she would have none of that. He either films or he leaves. Removing him could have been the only option available to get him away from an environment that was doing him harm. She was the parent with legal custody, and if she said Jon gets no say, then what are they to do? She'd sue if her demands weren't followed.
We know (so far) that she filed this new lawsuit because Jon sought a change in custody. It may have been just Hannah, but it may have been custody of Collin, too. I am hopeful that, in the right environment, C will thrive. His dad won't force him to film, which makes him the better parent and his home the better environment for C. He needs to be re-integrated into the outside world at some point. He can't just be institutionalized his whole life.
We really don't know what his "special" needs are. We do know however that like any child his needs were special to him and were ignored by his mother. I keep going back to that lovely little gift he bought her in Mexico, which he was able to barter for. That mother bear and her little cub represented his mother and him and he told her so; only to have her refer to him as "weird". It was his way of saying, "I'm me, I'm not just one of the pack." She was not only blind to his need to express himself, she mocked him for doing so.
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In theory, perhaps, but it's not that easy. It takes months of preliminary assessment and evaluation for qualification, and even then there is no guarantee that someone will be provided. If it is denied, you have to go through the appeals process. If it is granted, you still have to wait until such a person/people/providers are available. If no person to be with the child can be found within the time limit, you have to go through the entire process again.
I know someone who is going through that right now, and it is very frustrating. There is a shortage of support providers. It is not a simple process.
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I didn't say it was usually easy to get to that point.....but before paying to institutionalize you you can bet they'll go the much cheaper route of in home services, and it's obvious to me the school district is the most likely source of funding for it.
Collin is not institutionalized because Kate just couldn't get home services. Cut me a break. As soon as she pulled the institutionalize him card, they would have scrambled like heck to come up with the cheaper in home services. Somewhere along the way she wouldn't cooperate, my money is on that, and they had no choice.
bm (#136), yes, that was such a stark depiction of cruelty to that sweet, sensitive boy. Such a snotty insult about something which clearly meant a lot to him.
And to me, what made it worse was that she had a chance to redeem herself during the couch interview. Maybe say, oh, I was just teasing him, of course I loved the gift, it's on my dresser, I loved that he was able to bargain for a better price, he's such a smart kid...ANYTHING to soften such a nasty blow. But she didn't.
Unless it's an opportunity to garner heaps of praise and sympathy narcissists consider anyone in need of special care or attention a nuisance to them. They don't like to be robbed of the spotlight. If Katie Irene could have found a way to profit from Collin's situation, she would have had not some family court judge told uh uh...the buck stops here, literally.
I seems like a no-brainer now, but just a few years ago none of us could fathom a mother packing off her own child like she did. I really think filming was the key to all of it. I think she was resigned to keeping him at home, but when his condition became an obstacle to filming, then she had no further use for him.
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Yes, I agree. I think at one time Kate sincerely thought there's no way she could film without all eight, that his absence would sink the show, or any one's absence. But, like someone else said, I'm betting somebody TOLD her he needed to cut back on filming and eventually told her no more filming. So we saw a slow progression where Collin was in the episodes but not interviewed on the couch, then there but barely filmed and rarely speaks, episodes where he was just flat out missing from most or all of it with no explanation and finally an explanation. By this time, Collin had been almost absent a LONG time, and Kate had realized, oh, they're still watching!! As soon as that clicked, he was gone, end of story.
That mother bear and her little cub represented his mother and him and he told her so; only to have her refer to him as "weird". It was his way of saying, "I'm me, I'm not just one of the pack." She was not only blind to his need to express himself, she mocked him for doing so.
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You're right, he WAS trying to express himself. Kate has never once listened to these children. I don't mean listen. I mean LISTEN. Really have a heart to heart and understand a child. That alone will stave off so many problems later on.
And TFW's behavior since C was sent away is a dead giveaway about how little his absence has effected her.
Best birthday party ever! Puppies are soooo much fun! Space camp was such an amazing vacay! She's glad he's gone, and can't even fake missing him.
I didn't say it was usually easy to get to that point.....but before paying to institutionalize you you can bet they'll go the much cheaper route of in home services, and it's obvious to me the school district is the most likely source of funding for it.
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It doesn't work that way. They can't pay for cheaper services if no one is available. Even if that were the case, there has to be someone to provide those services. It's not happening right now. If there is a shortage of support people, then there is no option. You just can't say, "give me someone, anyone, even if it's cheaper."
The system has problems right now, and unless one is actually going through it, is familiar with the procedure, then it's easy to say say "just go the cheaper route."
I've been watching marathons of BBQ Pitmasters on Destination America (a Discovery channel) and this weekend they started advertising OutDaughtered very heavily. One scene they show has one of the girls with a poop-stain coming through her pajamas followed up by Adam saying "Welcome to the S**t show" and Danielle bowing her head in defeat whispering "pray for us".
I feel sorry for that girl. Just like H will never get away from "pooping in her unnerwares" this clip will be associated with that particular quint. I can't imagine having my most embarrassing moments captured on tape and broadcast for the entertainment of a million people.
MikeB (#144), these people are like Gosselins 2.0, aren't they? And of all things to criticize, they pick pooping -- a normal bodily function. Neither that little girl nor H was trying to be naughty when the accident occurred. But now it's preserved for posterity, with the parents seen as victims. Good grief.
When TFW saw that Busby poopy moment that was reminiscent of H's, I wonder if she asked, "Can we sue?"
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PA Dutch Mom (#128), I hope your friend is able to get the help he/she needs for the child.
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Thanks. I talked with her this morning. Her child has gone through the evaluation process again, was approved, but they were told it might take another six months before a support person is available.
Perhaps I didn't explain the role of a TSS:
The Therapeutic Staff Support (TSS) - Lancaster, PA position is a field employee position providing one-to-one emotional and behavioral interventions to children/adolescents in need of Behavioral Health Rehabilitative Services, otherwise known as “wraparound” services. We specialize in serving children primarily diagnosed with Autism Spectrum Disorders as well as other special needs diagnoses.
"Provide one-to-one assistance to children/adolescents with behavior disorders in the school, home and community setting based on medical needs of the client.
Prompt interventions in the areas of: behavior management, conflict resolution, anger management, and peer interaction skills based on the treatment plan goals provided by a Behavior Specialist Consultant (Master’s Level Clinician).
Collect daily data and document progress notes in a prescribed format for each session with the child/adolescent.
If there are so many more children needing a TSS than there is a TSS to serve those kids, then the waiting list is quite long. If too much time has elapsed, then the entire evaluation must be done again and the wait time begins all over again. Back to square one!
I feel sorry for that girl. Just like H will never get away from "pooping in her unnerwares" this clip will be associated with that particular quint. I can't imagine having my most embarrassing moments captured on tape and broadcast for the entertainment of a million people.
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I agree. I saw that clip last night and thought, what in the world are you doing to that child? TLC seems, for some reason, to be obsessed with poop, obese people, multiples and hoarders. Not necessarily in that order.
When TFW saw that Busby poopy moment that was reminiscent of H's, I wonder if she asked, "Can we sue?"
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Flimsy, I wonder if Collin will someday ask the same about his mother for allowing the filming of that agonizing episode when she was too busy picking out furniture to care for her little boy who was begging for relief from his pain. "Can I sue?"
Some of these reality parents have a lot to be answerable for.
It doesn't work that way. They can't pay for cheaper services if no one is available.
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I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. We don't institutionalize kids because services can't immediately be available. Services become available right quick the second the only other alternative is spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on in patient. Kids who DON'T need to be institutionalized but still need services are usually the ones on these wait lists while we get to more urgent kids.
Bottom line, I repeat, Collin was not institutionalized because there was just nothing available. Cut me an ever loving break, please.
Bottom line, I repeat, Collin was not institutionalized because there was just nothing available. Cut me an ever loving break, please.
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How do you know this? Does anyone really know what evaluations and applications were done to get a TSS?
If no TSS is available, no amount of begging, pleading, or anything else will do any good. It's not like the district can tell an agency that this is the Great Kate and she needs one immediately. They can't just pull them away from kids who have waited months and even a year or so for a TSS and send that support person to Kate Gosselin just because she is, well, Kate Gosselin. She tried that with the state way back when and they didn't care who she was.
I guess if I haven't explained this by now, I'll just move on. I tried.
I guess if I haven't explained this by now, I'll just move on. I tried.
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You explained it very well. Thank you! I understand what you are saying. If no support is available, there's not much a parent can do about it. It must be a difficult process. To know that a special needs child has been approved for support, but none is available because of a shortage, must be extremely frustrating for a parent.
You're right. We don't know if Kate even applied for a support person. It sounds like upon the advice of Collin's physician and therapist, seeking outside help at a facility that could best address his needs seems like it was one option for her. I don't know what other avenues she pursued, but I also agree that it sounds like she wanted to get rid of him because he was of no use to her because obviously filming was out of the question.
I hope that when he is released, it's Jon he will go to and not back to the shrew that perhaps caused many of his problems in the first place.
"Kate has never once listened to these children. I don't mean listen. I mean LISTEN. Really have a heart to heart and understand a child."
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But, but... according to Kate, SHE is like Cara. She likes to "try to hear the problem and solve it". (Youtube, Jon & Kate "ugly moments" from season 4, part 4 of 6) LOL, she lacks any sort of introspection whatsoever.
Lorrie (#153), what a riot that TFW said that about herself. A woman who left effing TODDLERS alone for hours and told them to work their problems out for themselves. Zero self awareness.
"I feel sorry for that girl. Just like H will never get away from "pooping in her unnerwares" this clip will be associated with that particular quint."
I saw that commercial too. If they insist on filming children on reality shows, why do they have to show them undressed or potty training? I always want to ask the people who run the shows if they would want their childhood moments on TV like that. TLC has seen what happened to Kate's family, but they're making money, and parents are always willing to do it. TLC will never treat the children right as long as they make money.
Bottom line, I repeat, Collin was not institutionalized because there was just nothing available.
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There may not have been a TSS available right when TFW wanted one and the doctors may have suggested residential care as an alternative. IMO TFW jumped on option two rather than waiting for a TSS because it’s what was best for her. Insurance may well be paying. As long as the child shows improvement they may continue to pay. Out of sight, out of mind. The gr8 k8 can’t be expected to wa8. This is only my opinion because I really want to believe that it’s a residential home rather than an institution. Kind of like the difference between a state nursing home and a nice assisted living home.
I’ve been through this with my son who is severely mentally impaired...they will give you just about anything to keep him in the home ....once a determination and an IEP is done you have a million services thrown at you so don’t tell me she had to put him somewhere...bullshit! Btw she’s not putting a dime out!! I guarantee you ....the last thing they want is another child in the system...she’s sickening
Jon posted a pic of him and his brother, wishing his brother a Happy Birthday today:
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bkfwor4AaME/
jongosselin1 Happy 38th Bday to my brother Mark!!! Love ya!!!
I’ve been through this with my son who is severely mentally impaired...they will give you just about anything to keep him in the home ....once a determination and an IEP is done you have a million services thrown at you so don’t tell me she had to put him somewhere..
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I don't know where you are, but here in PA you don't have a million services thrown at you. My friend's child has been waiting for almost two years for a TSS and just recently submitted a new application form for yet another evaluation, so as far as I know, it's not bulls**t.
BTW...I was having a nice grilled salmon dinner on my Preacher Deck (or is it Lesbian, I can't remember) when who comes strolling by with two very young offspring following her? They don't come when we are grilling burgers and hot dogs, but I guess they could smell that fish a mile away.
No, I did not feed them!
I don't know where you are, but here in PA you don't have a million services thrown at you. My friend's child has been waiting for almost two years for a TSS and just recently submitted a new application form for yet another evaluation, so as far as I know, it's not bulls**t.
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I’m guessing if she’s been waiting two years she was never a breath away from being institutionalized. As I and others have explained multiple times, as soon as the state realizes institutionalization is imminent, you’d be surprised how fast in home treatment is thrown together. She is in the limbo group I’m guessing, not bad enough off to need in patient but not stable enough to be fine without any support at all. Collin I don’t think was in that category and therefore would have been given priority in line.
I’m in jersey...and been dealing with this for years...idk what a tss is ...that’s not a term we use here...I only know as soon as there was a diagnosis ...there were day programs and in home therapy immediately...no waiting for anything...it’s been a while but I still have a ton of resources and help available...if they’re in the school system it would be even faster...I’m sure there’s different circumstances si idk what you’re talking about...I’ve been through it all baby ...and what do you mean another application for an evaluation...that’s not how it works
I’m not buying any of it...they want to keep a child in the home and go to great lengths to do so...I know how the system works and I’m telling you there’s no way in hell she had to send that child away...they would move mountains not to stick that boy in the system ...that is bullshit
That is considered the last resort by the state...she was given options and that’s the one she choose....or she lost control by the state which is very serious ..I’ve so many cases much much worse than hers but the goal was to keep the family together
The state always has behaviorist on staff ..I guess that’s what a tss worker does... a plan is worked out by a bcba and inplimented in the home ...somethings screwy...I’m not understanding any of this...I never heard of sending a child away unless they were completely out of control ...she’s a screwball what can you expect
I’m in jersey...and been dealing with this for years...idk what a tss is ...that’s not a term we use here...I only know as soon as there was a diagnosis ...there were day programs and in home therapy immediately...no waiting for anything
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And, if a child is not getting NECESSARY services, I would highly recommend contacting an education attorney or special education attorney, as well as putting all your demands in writing, as well as calling around and overall being a pest. I did an internship in this area of law, and you can often get an intern supervised by an attorney for free or cheap. It's not okay for a child to just wait. They have rights, and if you funnel this stuff through an IEP, a school is not permitted by law to just waitlist them into oblivion. Something is wrong here and you have to advocate for your kid. A parent who is just waiting for the state to make a move is not doing right by their child.
But the fastest way to get the state to move and pay for it all too, and Kate knows this, is to say I CAN'T HANDLE HIM ANYMORE YOU TAKE HIM! We have no choice, we have to take those kids, put them in out of home care, and pay for it all.
I remember Kate saying something in the deck episode, she was impressing upon the kids "fake it until you make it." Which is MAYBE good advice, in some situations. But, she said it with such conviction, she said it as if it were a lifestyle, and not just something that might come in handy now and again. And in many respects she really has been a glaring poser in so many ways, yet shameless when she does so.
I think Kate faked it until she made it with Collin I.e. she faked being totally helpless with him, faked being unable and unwilling to help him, until she got the state to take over the problem.
Amen admin ...IEP DONE....no waiting....period...
Idk the situation...but if he wasn’t “taken away “ “by the state then there’s no doubt she forced their hand and took that extreme option...she’s one sick fuck..excuse the language ...how she throws human beings away like they’re trash is downright disturbing especially her own child..I wouldn’t be able to sleep at night..she’s so full of shit peddling that he’s getting the help he needs..yeah because you don’t want to be bothered with him and you put no value on anyone who isn’t any use to you asshole
An IEP by federal law has to be set up within 2 weeks of the request. By federal law if the school is not in compliance with the IEP the family can file a due process compliance complaint. That’s pretty much all we did at my internship and boy did the schools move when we did that. But you don’t even need a lawyer for it. Kate’s savvy about freebies she would have known her rights and how to milk the school dry getting them so she don’t pay.
If anyone is waiting two years for an IEP service they should have been suing two years ago. Know your rights.
I’m a little confused as to what we’re talking about here. As I understand it the IEP is the individual educational program (plan) that comes up with the plan on how to help the special needs student, educational goals, etc. The TSS is the aid (or wrap around staff) that works one-on-one with a child to provide some type of therapy be it social skills, behavior modification, speech therapy, etc.. Unfortunately, if the TSS resources aren’t there there’s not much that you can do about it. Is it possible for a child to be on an IEP but not have a TSS?
Unfortunately, if the TSS resources aren’t there there’s not much that you can do about it. Is it possible for a child to be on an IEP but not have a TSS?
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An IEP is the plan for what services a kid will get. TSS is one of many thousands of actual services available. ALL kids are entitled to an IEP if requested, they are even for brilliant kids who aren’t up to their potential because classes are too easy.
If certain services are unavailable, the school is obligated by law to provide you similar or better services. That might mean moving the kid to another school, providing something better like a one on one aid, whatever it is they have to do it. There is not “nothing you can do about it.” Education law doesn’t work that way. You’re entitled to it and the judge does not care it “wasn’t available.” That’s like saying to a labor judge your honor no bathroom was available to my workers sorry. No, make one available or be in violation of the law. If it means hauling in a porta potty from out of state you have to do it and any school playing dumb about this should be sued.
Hannah is live on IG now and answering some questions... someone asked if K+8 is coming back and she said "Kate Plus 8 is not, I don't think, coming back."
She seems really happy hanging out with a friend and making pancakes. Jon is not on camera but you can hear him talking to the girls occasionally off-camera. So pleased to see Hannah doing so well!
Sorry for double posting, just want to make sure to get this down in case anyone is interested in the live video and doesn't get to see it! Hannah just read the comments and recapped to Jon, "Someone said they always felt bad for you when Kate would yell at you" then added quietly, "same." Jon said, kind of laughingly, "me and your mother?" He was off-camera but they shared a look.
A couple other notes: Jon was supervising the girls at points by reading the comments, I assume to make sure no one was posting anything inappropriate. He also teased them lightly here and there like a typical dad would. He's such a good dad - calm and kind as always - and H seemed really genuinely happy interacting with him.
Thanks. Emily! I am relived K+8 is not coming back- so it's just Kate+Date which will tank. Any other comments you can recall about Collin or the other kids,or anything else? I appreciate your posts since it's good to hear H is doing so well and Jon is finally able to be a real dad to her again.
Hannah is live on IG now and answering some questions... someone asked if K+8 is coming back and she said "Kate Plus 8 is not, I don't think, coming back."
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Thanks Emily. Is there any way to save these videos? I heard you can within 24 hours? Can't figure this out.
Lol, Kate must hate that the kids can speak now and say sorry show's not coming back. Heh! Kate would prefer to tease, hem and haw, leading people along.
You're welcome, everyone! Glad I could jot some notes down! IG does now let users keep their live videos on their account for 24 hours, but Hannah would have to click the "share" option when she finished recording. I don't think she did; if she had, the video would show up as her Instagram story right now, and there's nothing there.
There were definitely no mentions of Collin. Some people in the comments did ask things related to custody and the family, like "are you living with your dad now?" and "do you still see your siblings?" and while she definitely saw those questions, she skipped over them. There were times when her friend was reading the questions while H was cooking, and she was also careful not to read them out loud. Jon was not around during this part and I think the girls were wisely steering clear of tough questions. There were no mentions of the other siblings at all, but the girls were joking around with another school friend who was watching and commenting. It was a funny, healthy middle school friendship dynamic. How nice for H that she's able to have friends over for one-on-one visits like any normal kid!
I forget if I mentioned this, but the girls had had a sleepover at Jon's house and were filming from the kitchen. Hannah said that at some point she might film a house tour. (She also mentioned that she might start a YouTube channel - can you imagine how Kate would react to that?! I bet it would be really freeing for H to be able to present herself on her own terms.) The kitchen looked pretty nice, but not over-the-top flashy - a typical small, clean cooking area, so Jon's obviously not living in some hole in the ground like Kate would have everyone believe. When Jon came on camera, he was microwaving his own breakfast or lunch and didn't address the viewers aside from, like I said, checking the comments once or twice. H did answer the question "do you like living with your dad" with a genuine yes; she relayed this directly to Jon. She also was calling him by a nickname, "padre" I think. When asked "what did you do for your birthday?" she said "I celebrated with my dad." All in all, a really normal and loving father/daughter dynamic. No chaos or drama. It was so nice to see, and I'm thrilled for Hannah.
That's everything of note that I remember! I did think it was telling that H referred to her mom as "Kate" when recapping the comment to Jon about her parents fighting. It's possible she had just read the name and wasn't thinking, but it was interesting to hear H say "Kate" and not "Mom" or "Mommy" or even "my mom." I was actually really surprised to hear her read that particular comment out loud. I think there is more brewing under the surface there, and would not at all be surprised if H turns out to be the one who writes a tell-all book.
Thanks again, Emily. Sounds like H is very comfortable with her dad and in her new liberated life. I wish her and all the G kids the best. I think she was smart to skip the tough questions. Seems she knows how to protect others' privacy! Wonder what her YouTube channel would be- maybe typical teen -makeup, clothes,music, school etc
Emmy, thanks so much! I am so impressed with Hannah and her obvious ability to cut through the BS and figure out how SHE wants to present herself. By some miracle, she sounds incredibly well-adjusted. I am sure Jon must be thankful that at least one of his kids in the here and now has been able to make her own judgments about her parents' situation and, even more importantly, to make her own choices. How liberating that must be for her.
Again, thank you. :)
Sorry, EMILY (not Emmy)! :)
It's good to see Hannah enjoying a normal life. I'd like to see Kate's reaction to Hannah's Youtube channel, if she gets one. It's like Hannah is saying, "I'll film, but it'll be my way, not Kate's or TLC's".
Thanks Emily for the info!
I also watched the live feed last night that Hannah posted.
But there were some new things that were not mentioned.
Yes there were many many comments and questions like “Do you still talk to your siblings” , “ do you see your mom?” Hannah did answer yes to this one but didn’t specify.
Hannah and her friend were your typical teens. Eating ice cream cones, laughing at jokes only they understood, etc. yes Hannah looks very well adjusted.
Jon looked over a few times and even said hello to the people replying hello Jon”. He made a few casual jokes toward the phone. That’s what I like about Jon. He is so light hearted and friendly.
At some point a fan asked “ have you ever been to Niagra Falls?” Hannah and her friend said No, but they would like to go”. Jon replied that they would need her passport to go and that her mom had it. Someone else asked “ Jon why don’t you get a new one?” Jon replied that when applying for a passport for a minor, both parents needed to be present” . Jon seemed very annoyed towards Kate here. I don’t know if Kate is trying to be spiteful towards Jon by keeping the passport for herself or if she would ever volunterly give it to them if needed one day.
The best friend also answered a question that was asked “ Does Hannah live with her dad?” The friend replied “Yes”.
Also someone asked “which sibling do you get along best with?” Hannah replied that she always got along well with Leah and Joel and that she faught most with Alexis.
It was also a relief to hear from her BF that she wasn’t friends with Hannah because of the fact that she’s famous and was on a reality show.
Someone asked what her Fourth of July plans were. She answered something along the lines of having normal fun and spending time with Dad, fireworks, and friends.
I’m very happy for Hannah. It seems like she is very well adjusted and has a normal life. Kate doesn’t have the control that she used to over her children. Now that Hannah is making YouTube videos and becoming famous in her own right, must make Kate’s head explode.
Emily and Gigi Be said...thanks so much for the info. So glad to hear that she is happy and sounds like she is a typical teenager. Thrilled to hear that. Golly Gee must be smiling from Heaven.
Where the heck is Tucker's Mom? Does anyone know?
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The live feed I watched was last night and it looked like it may have been in her yard because both girls were sitting on lawn chairs facing the camera.Jon came out as I mentioned, checking on the comments posted, interacting with people, and then doing something in the background. They mentioned that they were having a sleepover. Both friends had met in school.
Good for Hannah and good for Jon letting her be a normal teen. I wonder if any of TFW’s minions have run to tattle to her. Nothing from Milo.
Thanks all for the comments about Hannah's live feed. Good to know both she and Jon are proceeding with caution in their responses. Just like K8 to probably veto Jon's request for co-operation in getting a passport for Hannah.
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Just like K8 to probably veto Jon's request for co-operation in getting a passport for Hannah.
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Depending on the posture of the case now, he might not even need her sign off for a passport or to go where he pleases with her.
Good for Hannah and good for Jon letting her be a normal teen. I wonder if any of TFW’s minions have run to tattle to her. Nothing from Milo.
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I have a feeling they're past tattling now. Now is time for panic mode.
Why would Hannah need a passport to visit Niagara Falls? There's a US side and a Canadian side... obviously, Americans wouldn't need passports if visiting the United States side of the Falls in New York.
Thanks Emily and Gigi Be for your posts. It's so comforting to know that finally one of the tups is living a normal teenager's life. I wonder if any of her siblings can see Hannah's live feed. If so, they must feel, I shouldn't say envious, but maybe seeing what they are missing out on. Also why would a teen call her mother by her first name? It sounds so disrespectful, but then again, maybe Hannah has lost her respect for her Mom, and I can't blame her. Kate is still a POS.
I’ve visited both the US side in New York and the Canadian side of the Falls. The Canadian side is much cleaner in my opinion. Overall the Canadian side was just a better experience for me.Also the fun of it is placing one foot in US and one in Canada at the same time. I think we had a much better experience seeing both sides personally.
Why would Hannah need a passport to visit Niagara Falls? There's a US side and a Canadian side... obviously, Americans wouldn't need passports if visiting the United States side of the Falls in New York.
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Only if they go to the Canadian side true, but that's the best side and worth going!
Capecodmama, I've discovered that our hotel in Hyannis is just a skip away from one of the restaurants you mentioned in one of your posts to me. We will take a walk to Colombo's for one of our meals. Hubby will surely appreciate one of their desserts!
Granted I haven't been in about 10 years but the U.S. is so tacky to me. Ripley's Believe it or Not and all that nonsense. The Canadian side feels more park-like, more nature-like, and the views are better. I remember the days when you could drive up to the border, wait in line 2 minutes, and say we've got a car full of family here to see the falls for the day, and you get waved right through. Those were the days.
Go to the falls in the dead of winter if you can, temps below freezing, it's UNREAL! It's like walking into a winter wonderland with all the mist freezing to the trees.
Emily (#171), thanks again for keeping us in the loop on H's post.
Well, well, well...so H just casually, matter-of-factly mentioned K+8 isn't coming back? No tears? No groans of disappointment? No mention of missing crew daddies? No heartache about not being able to share her childhood on film with the fans to whom those kids mean so much?
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and suggest that all of those reasons for filming were complete and total BULL, so that TFW would never have to get a real job. It was always about her, and the kids' needs, desires and most significantly BEST INTERESTS meant nothing to her. Never did, never will.
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I was a little stunned by the amount of personal questions being asked by fans in the live feed. A lot of questions about Collin, The twins, and questions pertaining to the custody arrangement. Hannah did a great job by ignoring them and sticking with the more basic ones.
Some of the same commenters kept on repeating these same questions over and over. Some people can be so rude and thoughtless.
Also, I think H has a very good BFF there. A good loyal friend. I’m pretty certain she knows a lot more about the situation between H and Kate than she let’s on. Also, it is good to see H so close with someone her age that is NOT a sibling.
Also, someone did ask what her favorite show was. And guess what? It’s NOT Kate plus 8 reruns. Hehe
Sounds like the G kids are having another summer of doing NOTHING, since there's no K+8 filming happening (H would know about it if there was). I'm sure there's no "sobbing and wailing times 8" going on this time.
The most interesting thing about the (hopefully permanent) end of the show is that it is Kate who destroyed it. Not Jon, not the "haters", but Kate and her own actions. Her obsession with filming drove her to send Collin away. He was having issues and filming was not in his best interests, so she had to make a choice. She chose filming, thinking she could give a quick explanation and keep going like he never existed. But viewers didn't just accept his banishment, which must have come as a shock to Kate and to TLC. Nobody complained when Kevin, Jodi, Beth, Bob, and so many others just disappeared. They didn't realize that the viewers wouldn't just forget about C, too. Then Hannah decided she wanted to live with Jon (no doubt because of how Kate treats the kids), TLC knew they wouldn't get away with another child's disappearance. They knew it was time to move on, although Kate was still expressing hope that the show would just keep on going, and was hoping for a new season last fall. She could not accept that it was over, and it was her own fault that it was over. She probably still doesn't.
This dating show is going to be a disaster. I would not be at all surprised if the episodes are a lot like the last few episodes of K+8 before the 2011 cancellation. Kate at her worst, nastiest self. Kind of like TLC saying, "See what we have to put up with?".
I checked last night, and Kate hasn’t posted on Instagram since 6/12.
She’s either 1) filming, or 2) wondering how to post happy happy happy summertime pics of 8 kids living the pool with only 6 in the picture.
Since Hannah has been quite upfront about her living situations, I imagine she’s Toxic as well. .
Also, I think H has a very good BFF there. A good loyal friend. I’m pretty certain she knows a lot more about the situation between H and Kate than she let’s on. Also, it is good to see H so close with someone her age that is NOT a sibling.
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I seem to remember quite a few comments on blogs that the kids had no social interaction, no friends or peers with whom they can hang out. It looks like in Hannah's case this isn't true and it wouldn't surprise me if the other kids also have friends as well.
Was the friend in the IG one who attended the filmed birthday parties in the past? I always wondered if those were 'real' friends or TLC-paid people
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Sounds like the G kids are having another summer of doing NOTHING, since there's no K+8 filming happening (H would know about it if there was). I'm sure there's no "sobbing and wailing times 8" going on this time.
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Because there is no filming means that they are at home doing nothing? We don't know if a vacation is planned, or what they are doing. I remember summertime fun at home, just being a kid, not going on any exotic trips or vacations...just staying at home and doing what kids do in the summer, and many times it was nothing, but looking back, there are some very pleasant memories of doing nothing in the summer.
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The "doing NOTHING" comment was one that Kate posted on her IG last summer with a picture of the kids hanging out together. They were not filming last summer, and she said they were "doing NOTHING".
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