So what's going on? Well obviously, Jon and Hannah are telling the truth and Kate is not, did you suspect anything else?! We're here to offer some solid information straight from the actual court docket on their family law case. As follows:
According to a common sense reading of the court docket on the Gosselin family case, Jon has had custody of Hannah since at least April 5, 2018, when a final custody order was made. This from this entry: Appellant, K.I.G., defendant below, filed a notice of appeal from the final custody order entered April 5, 2018.
Then on July 24, Kate's appeal was closed: "Notice of Appeal Closed July 24, 2018."
The contentious battle over this particular child, Hannah, has raged since at least 2015, when Kate began calling the police on Jon over Hannah, who would defect to Jon's. Kate even went so far as to imply Jon could be molesting the child. Then in August 2017 a police report details an incident where Kate tried to pull Hannah by the arm out of Jon's car, which required Hannah to receive medical attention. And then there's the lawsuit filed by Kate sometime in the Spring of 2018 ticked about Jon seeking custody because he promised he wouldn't in exchange for no more child support payments. Now why would Kate be suing him if he didn't have custody of Hannah? Here's Jon's response, arguing this alleged agreement, which can't even be produced, violates public policy.
The docket matches what Jon and Hannah have been saying. The social media posts match what Jon and Hannah have been saying. The history matches what Jon and Hannah have been saying. In any event, TFW, please stop going to the press, or having Deanna or some other lackey go to the press, to call Hannah a liar. She's a child. It's despicable and you, Kate, should be ashamed of yourself.
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I know there is no logical reason for what she does, but putting that aside, what IS her end game anyway? She can't really expect that any of this nasty behavior will make Hannah change her mind and want to go home to her. Fat chance. So is it just about making Jon look bad and proving him wrong? And what's with the outright lying? It's one thing to rub it in your have custody backwards and forwards, but when Hannah herself is posting all these photos of her with her dad and saying she lives with him now, and you're still saying you have custody yet can't post a single photo to prove you even SEE your daughter anymore much less have custody?
This is getting into sociopathic behavior.
And--she's reportedly suing Jon because he took her to court for the change in custody. Why would she sue him for taking her to court over custody--then give him the child he took her to court to get--and then sue him for taking that child?
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Bingo, her own lawsuit proves she's lying. It's not an alleged suit, we have the docs for it and it's linked in this post. It's a real suit going on. Now why bother if you have custody of Hannah?? Come ON.
This is getting into sociopathic behavior.
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You're right. It is sociopathic. The woman doesn't have a conscience. It's terrifying. And very frightening if she has had and continues to have absolute mind control over the kids, at least the remaining ones. Not even many adults could could keep their sanity living with that all the time.
I think TFW has crossed the line from reprehensible to sociopathic.
It's one thing to tell the world your 8 toddlers have voted every year to be on a TV show. It's another to have one of those toddlers become an articulate young woman, and then dare to outright lie about her. She's punishing H for finding her voice. Her children's independence terrifies TFW.
Concerned Aussie, I think you make a good point about H and C possibly having an advantage in healing. You've got to believe the stress level at Gosselin manor is through the freaking roof, and I pity the 6 who are stuck in that toxic environment.
When you combine pure hate with a relentless nature you produce evil.
Evil with determination.
I'll believe Jon and Hannah are lying when Kate utters the words "I still have full custody. They are lying". The fact that she is not rushing to "set the record straight" and instead a "source close to Kate" gives info to a magazine that supports Kate tells me all I need to know. Kate is afraid to get caught in the lie so she is going with the mysterious "unnamed source" to try to call Jon and Hannah liars.
I think she would take great pleasure in being splashed all over the People magazine cover, smiling, giving an exclusive interview about what a liar Jon is. I believe she would smirk as superior as when she proudly announced Jon has no idea where their son is, only she knows, in a televised interview. She probably doesn't and won't because the risk of being caught lying is too high and it would further damage her rep.
When I saw Kate's face plastered on People's breaking news, I felt a wave of disgust and hopelessness. Selfish, greedy, controlling, Kate continues to use her children to try to create the illusion of "supermom with 8!! kids". She used that image to create her wealth and she is not giving it up...ever. I am so grateful I could come her for Admin's legal prowess and everyone's clear insight, compassion and sanity. It helps.
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Bingo, her own lawsuit proves she's lying. It's not an alleged suit, we have the docs for it and it's linked in this post. It's a real suit going on. Now why bother if you have custody of Hannah?? Come ON.
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I thought the suit was filed for back support payments. Which is it...custody or support, or both?
Bingo, her own lawsuit proves she's lying. It's not an alleged suit, we have the docs for it and it's linked in this post. It's a real suit going on. Now why bother if you have custody of Hannah?? Come ON.
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I thought the suit was filed for back support payments. Which is it...custody or support, or both?
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Well, both. From what I can gather, the suit is in retaliation for "violating" an agreement Jon wouldn't go for custody.
Basically Kate is saying, you promised you wouldn't go for Hannah or any of the kids, now you have, and now you owe me money. Now if she still has Hannah, what's the point in wasting all the time and money on a suit?
The People comments on Facebook are interesting. There are only a few people who are pointing out that they've been following Jon and Hannah on social media and it's clear Hannah lives with him.
Many who say they don't care, and the usual Team Kate Team Jon posts.
THEN, the rest of them seem to be dissolving into discussing the Collin situation, which has nothing to do with what the article is even about. People really can't get over the Collin situation!
In any event, TFW, please stop going to the press, or having Deanna or some other lackey go to the press, to call Hannah a liar. She's a child. It's despicable and you, Kate, should be ashamed of yourself.
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Narcs have no shame. I think we all knew Kate would react this way. She's proving what we've always said that if you cross her in any way there will be hell to pay and her own child is no exception. Move over Kevin, Jodi, Beth, Ashley, Jon, Mr. & Mrs. Kreider, Collin...make room for Hannah.
Still no word from Milo; it appears she is not as "Fired Up 4 Kate" as she used to be. Hopefully she has been keeping up with Hannah and Jon.
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If Hannah had any lingering doubts about just how relentless and unforgiving her mother is, Kate's just blown those out of the water. Kate should remember, Hannah knows the truth about what happened with Collin, and she's studied at the knee of a master of manipulation and dissembling. I don't imagine she's going to stay silent if Kate persists.
RoxyHelen (6)
You took the words right out of my mouth. Kate sent her "source" to People so they would print the story she wants the public to believe. That way she still has plausible deniability if the truth comes out. She can say, "I didn't say I had custody--it was some other source!". She still wants everyone to have the impression that she has custody of all 8 kids, and I guarantee she's still thinking she can somehow salvage K+8 if she creates the right impression.
I think that listing for K+8 to air starting Aug, 20th was a typo and was supposed to be the new dating show. For some reason, it did not air, and there's no word of when it will. I think TLC is looking at the footage they have and realizing it's awful, and is trying to figure out how to make it work. They tried a Kate-only show before, and it was scrapped fast. Kate is just not marketable on her own. If the dating show airs, it will be a one-time thing, a few episodes (with horrible ratings) and done. If she wants to film beyond that, she needs the kids. Hence her need to control the narrative where the kids are concerned. She must think she can get custody of Hannah back. She has always gotten her way in court, so why would she think differently? If she doesn't, then filming is pretty much over.
In a year Kate will only have 4 kids at home (if more don't defect to Jon). She has only had 3 episodes air in the past 18 months, and there will only be a few more over the next year (if the dating show ever airs). She has had legal bills for the custody fight, for her appeal, and for her lawsuit against Jon. The tups still have 5 more years of high school, and then college to pay for. She has to be feeling the pressure.
Not that this proves anything about custody but did see this on twitter:
******Jon and Hannah gosselin from Jon & Kate plus 8 were in aerie yesterday shopping 😱 why doesn’t anything cool like that happen when I work 😩😭
6:31 AM - 20 Aug 2018
This is getting into sociopathic behavior.
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I think TFW has crossed the line from reprehensible to sociopathic.
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I think Kate crossed that line a LONG time ago.
I wonder if this is the same "source" who told People back in January that Kate was running out of money and she couldn't go back to nursing because she let her license lapse. Then someone here did a quick online search and--guess what??--Kate had not let her license lapse, in fact had just renewed it. Apparently this "source" lies as much as Kate does. What a coincidence.
It's been confirmed by Jon and Hannah that Hannah lives with Jon full-time, but does that mean that Jon has full custody of Hannah?
So today's the first day of school for the G kids. Will we see an old pictures bemoaning the "memories"? Or will she pretend that this family "tradition" is ongoing, but the kids don't want her to post their pictures? It'll be very interesting if Jon/Hannah post.
Anonymous 12 - I get it that this is an unpopular viewpoint, but I still say something has happened to Milo... she has NEVER been away this long, and would SURELY be crowing kart's praises and support for her if she is still around. When have we ever seen that she stayed away during such a big flap as this custody issue? If she could she would be posting .... something happened whether we want to admit it or not.
And I do not think for a moment that kart silenced her with a legal gag order... kart loved when Milo posted her gushing comments. She rarely answered her, but she was tickled pink that someone on here posted in support of her.
One lingering question for the ages... how is it that no one ever figured out Milo's identity?
Wondering in the US said... 20
Milo went missing from Twitter in 2011 or 2012, I think, for something like 4-5 months. It was when IwannadateK8 was on Twitter trying to woo his dream girl (that would be K8, not Milo, lol). I think K8 put her firmly in her place back in June (but I don't think a restraining order) when she was trying to act like the secret police in terms of what Hannah and Jon were posting on their respective IGs.
I don't see any reason for concern, I think she got her feelings hurt, but I doubt she's stopped following K8. We'll see when/if Kate's new show ever airs.
I have to agree with Wondering. Milo has had health issues in the past. I hope that she’s just had her feelings hurt and there’s nothing wrong with her health-wise.
I think Kate needs to convince everyone she has custody of all her kids because the reality is now that Hannah is with Jon, I’ll bet some of the other kids will want to live with him. She’s terrified of losing Assen, Joel, Alexis and Leah.
But a source with knowledge of the situation tells PEOPLE that Kate, 41, “maintains full custody of all eight of her kids."
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I see Kate is still "de-aging".
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So Coyne is helping the de-aging process by shaving a couple of years off her bestie's age. After a few more articles, Kate can be 20.
Surely Hannah will talk to the other tups at school and they may realize living with Jon makes H happy and they too could experience some joy and normalcy in life.They may ask her about Collin. I think there's hope that one or more may end up with Jon.I still had wished C would be with Jon by now anyway.
Jon will be on E!News tonight @ 7 p.m. EST.
silimom said... 23
I think Kate needs to convince everyone she has custody of all her kids because the reality is now that Hannah is with Jon, I’ll bet some of the other kids will want to live with him. She’s terrified of losing Assen, Joel, Alexis and Leah.
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I think the other kids are afraid to leave. They are probably so confused and torn between parents that they can't make a decision like Hannah did and I'll bet their beast of a mother has threatened them using her "you're either for me or against me " tactic. I feel so sorry for them because they're suffering with the consequences of her parental alienation. Sweet Jesus. How can anyone be so full of hate that they'd put their kids through this?
Layla (#14), I agree that to have any kind of success, TFW needs the kids. But the "version" of the kids she needs doesn't exist anymore: the Gosselin 8 circa 2006. Remember when she had two 6-year-olds and six 2-year-olds? America was captivated by the cuteness and chaos, and charmed by the young, photogenic parents who were clearly in over their heads.
So what happened to that household? Well, at 18 and 14, those same kids don't seem to have anything unique to offer. And 2 of them don't live there anymore. And the mom kicked the dad out, and refuses to co-parent with him. And she got a complete makeover, and bears zero resemblance to the fresh-faced nurse from the show.
They captured lightning in a bottle. That kind of success is no longer accessible to TFW.
Well, the list of kids dancing in the DWTS: Juniors show is out, and there are no G kids on it. Bristol Palin's son Tripp is, as well as Honey Boo Boo and Kenzie Ziegler (from Dance Moms). I guess they thought that's enough kids from reality TV. Kate must be fuming. These kids are making some serious cash for doing the show. Looks like her days of being supported by her children are coming to an end.
Sweet Jesus. How can anyone be so full of hate that they'd put their kids through this?
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Exactly. How is it possible for someone to be so evil that they would do this to their own children. You know, I always used to think that it couldn't be possible for a person to be this twisted. But she really is. Now I can't even look at a photo of her because her dead eyes scare me.
She's never seemed to have any foresight in her relentless pursuit of revenge and the limelight and her mental deterioration has been evident over the last few seasons. Now though, I think it's clear she really is evil, an it's getting harder for her to hide it.
So Coyne is helping the de-aging process by shaving a couple of years off her bestie's age. After a few more articles, Kate can be 20.
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And when she gets down to 12, her age will match her mentality. If anybody is still writing articles about her, that is.
She's never seemed to have any foresight in her relentless pursuit of revenge and the limelight and her mental deterioration has been evident over the last few seasons. Now though, I think it's clear she really is evil, an it's getting harder for her to hide it.
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I've come to expect her to retaliate like she has this most recent time. Look how she marched Mady and Cara in front of the camera to tell the world they didn't like what their dad was doing. She gets ugly mean. Fatal Attraction mean. "I'M not going to be ignored" mean.
@Layla Hi again,at this point,i don't think Kate plus 8 is returning anymore and even if Kate does try to do something solo,it wouldn't make any ratings.I can't see Kate trying to hide the fact that the show is no more.If jon did say on his IG stream that he does have custody of Hannah then she's going to try to ignore it but the problem is that the fans keep asking if Kate plus 8 will return and the more Kate stays silent the more fans will believe that jon does have custody.Although i could see Kate try to pull the,"Wre not doing Kate plus 8 anymore because my kids don't want to be on T.V anymore."Try to make it seem like she's honoring her kids wishs,which we'd know it wouldn't be true.Either way i do hope that the other kids do follow Hannah and nothing bad has happen in that regard.
I'm positive Kate saw Jon's live feed about Hannah living with him permanently now, and she's absuletly livid. She's also most likely has been coaching the others that if ever they showed any interest in doing the same that she would wipe then out of her life forever. That leaves the others with a very difficult choice. After the alienation she put on them, they must be very confused, seeing their sister doing normal teenage outings, and wondering why they cannot have the same. I'm sure they must have certain mixed feelings against their mother and ask questions.
Seems Hannah and Kate were so close on the show..and with Leah. I guess we'll never know all that happened and I am sure she made the right decision but at the cost of her relationship with siblings perhaps. We don't know but I do think she seems happier
One lingering question for the ages... how is it that no one ever figured out Milo's identity?
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I think that they did, or at least they claimed to. It was quite awhile back, sometimes calling her by her first name on Twitter. They had her husband's name, location, photos of the property. If it was correct, I have no idea.
In a year Kate will only have 4 kids at home (if more don't defect to Jon). She has only had 3 episodes air in the past 18 months, and there will only be a few more over the next year (if the dating show ever airs). She has had legal bills for the custody fight, for her appeal, and for her lawsuit against Jon.
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True, but if all of those expenses are for the safety and welfare of the kids, she can just dip into their funds to pay for it.
You've got to believe the stress level at Gosselin manor is through the freaking roof, and I pity the 6 who are stuck in that toxic environment.
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I always breathe a sigh of relief when school begins. I used to feel sorry for them that they were gone most of the day and had at least an hour bus ride to school. But now I feel that the more time they spend outside of that home, the better!
I've come to expect her to retaliate like she has this most recent time. Look how she marched Mady and Cara in front of the camera to tell the world they didn't like what their dad was doing. She gets ugly mean. Fatal Attraction mean. "I'M not going to be ignored" mean.
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Hide the bunny mean. I wonder if she's on meds. If not, she should be. Something's gotta give there, and it will not be pretty when it happens. I hope the kids stay out of her way.
Gigi Be (#38), I agree about school. And after so many years there, I would bet there are lots of teachers and support staff the kids can count on for genuine concern and kindness. Adults who look them in the eyes, and don't steer them by their heads
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I'm sure you're right--Kate would absolutely use the kids' money to fight her battles, and keep the rest for herself. I feel like TLC is complicit in her bullying because they have provided her with enough money to exact revenge on anyone who crosses her. She may not always win in court, but she can cause others financial stress as a way to punish them. She has certainly done that to Jon. But--there is only so much money in the kids' trust fund. What happens when it's gone? I absolutely believe she would burn through it all, then walk away, taking the house (the one she said belonged to the kids, that it's theirs and they deserve it) and all of "her" money with her.
Jamesvader1194 (33)
Hi, where have you been? I agree--K+8 is done, although I don't think Kate is ready to admit it yet. She wants to film for the rest of her life, and she will lie and manipulate and bully anyone to make that happen. The best thing we can hope for the kids is that they are able to go to college, get jobs, and get away from her.
School picture posted on TFW’s Instagram with Hannah and Collin noticeably missing. TFW is, of course, ignoring all the comments about Hannah and Collin. Maybe People should revise/retract their “I’ve got full custody” article. Nah, TFW would probably just claim Hannah didn’t want to be in the picture.
School picture posted on TFW’s Instagram with Hannah and Collin noticeably missing.
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Right, Kate. You have full custody of all eight children. She's deranged.
Posted just now:
kateplusmy8 This was yesterday! Feels like school never ended...and they’re already back! #SeniorYear 😳😳 #EighthGrade #ProudMom ❤️
Yep, she's down to six.
Lots and lots of questions asking where H and C are.
And, of course, the usual lackeys (although just the one so far):
mkbrownlow.fit LOVE ME SOME G-KIDS! 💙💙💙💗💗💗💗💗
And I guess no one succeeded in shutting this "fake" down:
alexis.faith.gosselin1 😘😘😘😍😍😍😍🤩🤩
alexis.faith.gosselin1 So beautiful
Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 42
Right, Kate. You have full custody of all eight children. She's deranged.
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However will PEOPLE magazine spin this one?? It's one thing to rehash the same tired lines about Collin being in residential treatment due to his "special needs". It's quite another to try to explain Hannah's absence immediately following the story they just put out.
A couple of points from the People story:
"But a source with knowledge of the situation tells PEOPLE that Kate, 41, “maintains full custody of all eight of her kids.”
Jon did not immediately return PEOPLE’s request for comment."
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I would think they would ask Kate for a comment as well. What did SHE have to say?
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“I started picturing myself sitting in a rocking chair, knitting, and words like ‘old maid’ and ‘spinster’ started to come to mind, and I realized that no, I don’t want that to be my fate,” she previously told PEOPLE of the series.
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How can Kate be a spinster? I would think she would be a widow or a divorcee. Is she now claiming that Jon didn't happen? The kids?
Remember how Kats used to say to a misbehaving kid "You're done"? It appears that this picture is it. I feel it is her way of saying Collin and Hannah are officially "done" with her. They are out. This is the first back to school picture she posted since Collin left.
I wonder if she posted this picture also to prove she isn't hiding that some kids aren't there and she didn't give People that article.
A couple of things. First, aren't the twins too old for Mommy's notes and to have them publicly displayed? Too, this proved H is not full-time with Kate I guess! And not to be mean, but has TFW relaxed her limited portions- the kids look sturdier than before, and I mean this in a good way.
I would think they would ask Kate for a comment as well. What did SHE have to say?
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WHOA, good catch. Oops! They didn't ask KATE for comment because KATE is the source. OOPSSSSS.
Also, I think when Kate saw the backlash after her little stunt to People (especially realizing the docket is actually out there), she backpeddled and realized she better just be honest about what's going on. Hence the school pic of just six clearly identifiable kids after ages of no group pic. Kate is all about plausible deniability and plays the public like a fiddle.
Jon will be on E!News tonight @ 7 p.m. EST.
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Anyone see this? What was said?
Re: the kids looking sturdy and in a good way, that could be a sympton of emotional eating as well. Living with Kate, one would need an outlet .Further, Kate has a predispositon to being a little sturdy herself and it's only because of her fame whoring that she limits her calories. The kids are also predisposed to their parents' genes .We all know what can happen when a mother obsesses about their food intake, the kids get a distorted idea about what is normal .My friend's mother obsessed about her own weight when she was growing up and to this day my friend struggles with bulimia.
Paper Plates
Here’s a link I found. Not sure it’s the right one but it was dated yesterday.
https://m.eonline.com/shows/e_news/videos/276869/jon-kate-gosselin-fight-over-custody-of-teen-daughter
Also the notes to Mady and Cara were identical and looked scribbled fast. What's with spelling out P.R.O.U.D? She could at least personalize them and not put them on tags meant for small kids. It could be a sweet gesture, but it's TFW so no, just for IG show
This Tyler guy has been drinking the Kate Kong-aid (eye roll). The truth is going to taste like vinegar to him
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thehollywoodgossip.com/2018/08/kate-gosselin-jons-a-liar-all-the-kids-live-with-me/amp/
Kate koolaid (autocorrect!)
LOL. Kate Kong. Sometimes autocorrect gets it right.
Jon just posted a live on Instagram. He asked the viewers why he got an additional 3 thousand followers in the last hour. In the next video, Jon apparently gets his answer and replies that this was regarding what his “ex wife” had said to the media. Many more people are starting to favor Jon. Jon thanked everyone who joined his Instagram and said “ more to come”.
Lol I cant help but smile. All of Kate’s ways of trashing him. But instead Jon is becoming more and more popular. Thanks Kate! You keep trashing him and while making Jon more popular🤣
Auntieann-I knew you’d say that!! Lol!
Wowser (55)
That Tyler guy is also an idiot. Neither Kate nor her source ever said all the kids live with her--only that she still has custody. As admin said the other day, the custody paperwork may not be completed yet, so it could be "technically" true that she still has custody, or it all could be a lie to help Kate save face. That guy didn't do his homework.
I spent last weekend in PA with family, and a family friend who has kids at the same school as the G kids was talking about school. Of course, I didn't say anything--just listened, but what I found interesting was her talk about how expensive the fees are. In addition to tuition (I'm sure Kate is getting some kind of tuition assistance with so many kids there), she mentioned transportation. If your kids live outside of Lancaster County and take the bus, it costs a bundle! She said for her two kids it was "around $3,000" per year. And that's just for two! The kids are still wearing their uniforms, so they are still in that school and there's still money to pay for all the expenses. I'm happy about that--at least there's money for their education and Kate's not blowing it all on lawsuits and her new deck.
OT, but--I just became the owner of my very first pair of Crocs! DS#3's frat had a back-to-school Crocs and Socks party (fun!), and he presented me with his pair of Crocs afterward. Errr...he has small feet! Yeah, that's it. Anyway, I cleaned them up so they don't smell like a brewery any more (college boys spill!) and they're ready to go. Now I just need to find a coordinating MuuMuu and I'm all set.
Hence the school pic of just six clearly identifiable kids after ages of no group pic. Kate is all about plausible deniability and plays the public like a fiddle.
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Oh yeah. She'll rewrite history...again. "I've always encouraged my kids to make their own choices. If they want to stay with their father I'm perfectly ok with that blah blah blah..."
Wait for it. It's her idea of taking the high road. May she get trench foot treading in it.
No doubt Kates in bed with Coyne. People picked up the back to school pic. How does 6 today jive with their story of 8 yesterday.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/celebrity/kate-gosselin-is-a-proud-mom-as-her-kids-go-back-to-school-for-senior-year-and-eighth-grade/ar-BBMlWmP?li=BBnb7Kz
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...and posting a pic of the "back to school note"??? Really???Such an insincere gesture done solely for the purpose of spinning Kates BS agenda without any regard once again for the sanctity of the kids privacy.
laura jean
Formerly Duped said... 54
It could be a sweet gesture, but it's TFW so no, just for IG show.
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This is the same woman who PUBLISHED personal letters she wrote for her children. Kate LIVES for "show".
Anonymous said... 64
Well, inasmuch as Kate posted it first (really? same exact message for both? how original), I guess they thought it was public fodder, just as K8 intended. They know who they're dealing with.
I'd like to see the card K8 sent to Collin for his "first day." What's that? Oh yeah, doesn't exist.
. People picked up the back to school pic.
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They did, and this is important, notice how they didn't just embed the instagram post. Rather they reprinted the photo and gave Kate the copyright. Typically you would need permission from Kate to do that.
Does anyone else find it rather hilarious that on the same articles proclaiming that Kate has full custody, all the photos they post with it show Jon with Hannah and the rest of the kids with Kate?
It's like doing an article about apples and printing all photos of oranges. Is the world upside down?
..and posting a pic of the "back to school note"??? Really???Such an insincere gesture done solely for the purpose of spinning Kates BS agenda without any regard once again for the sanctity of the kids privacy.
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Actually laura jean I’m glad that she posted the back to school picture because now there is no denying that there are only SIX under her roof. I wonder if TLC gave the approval for this picture because it kind of shoots the whole Kate Plus 8 myth to hell.
I notice the latest People article indicates the sextuplets are beginning eighth grade and mentions that Jon "claims" Hannah is living under his roof. They quote Jon as saying, "She permanently lives with me". The article refers to the six as commencing school while the picture shows only four of the six. So according to People, what TFW says is true, Jon merely "claims".
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I see People is still pushing the dating show. Maybe Kate thinks if it is published often enough it will come true.
What is Kate doing all day? I am currently unemployed. I can not stand spending all day by myself. Instead, I spend the morning doing job search stuff and doing job related workshops. The rest of my day is full of reading, knitting, weaving and volunteering. I need to stay busy and have social interactions to keep from becoming depressed. Don’t get me wrong, I need my alone time too but there is no way I can spend all day without adult interaction.
Andrea
Layla (#61), please don't forget the pearls. A biddy's gotta clutch something. I think Dmasy has some extras she might be willing to share. Don't let her true-crime obsession fool you -- she's not nearly as black-hearted as the rest of us!
Andrea (#72), good luck with your job search. It sounds like you're doing the leg work. Hopefully something will work out soon.
Flimsy (73) -- Sure I will share my pearls.
And, I have a complete selection of those gaudy "lucky" beads that casinos often hand out. Better yet!! I do save the sparkly casino necklaces for special events!
Dmasy (#75), wearing those fancy necklaces, we'd be bitter, black-hearted, busybody biddies with blinged-out beads!
FlimsyFlamsy (73)
I do have pearls--they were my grandmother's. She was a former debutante and she was quite the high-maintenance, pearl-clutching biddy. I aspire to be just like her. Dmasy, your true crime obsession doesn't bother me--I'm hooked on true crime stuff, too! ID channel, Ann Rule--bring it on! But I'd love some sparkly casino beads.
PA posters, who's going to the E-Town fair tomorrow? I'll be there! The skid loader rodeo starts at 2:30 and the frog-jumping contest is at 4:30. I wouldn't miss that for the world.
Another article. K8 is working overtime to get her name out there and shes got zero, zip, zilch to bring to the table so its all about the kids.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/celebrity/why-two-gosselin-kids-are-missing-from-kates-back-to-school-photo/ar-BBMouay?li=BBnb7Kz
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Laurajean (#78), I bet TFW is angling to get some attention ahead of the twins' 18th birthday in October. She may hope there's a People photo session in her future.
C'mon, Kate Coyne, do her a solid!
Single mom soldiers on! She did it all alone! She BREATHES for her kids! Um, oh, you want the twins to be on the cover, too? Oh, well, if that's the only way the editor will agree to it, I guess that's okay. As long as there's one solo pic of Mommie Dearest poking and dabbing, and lamenting her little birds getting ready to leave the nest (spoiler alert: 25% of her kids have already flown the coop).
In 2017, a source told Hollywood Life that being on camera was too much stimulation for Collin. "Kate decided to send him to a facility, because she thought it was best for him," their source explained.
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Yup, God forbid she stops filming for the sake of her son’s health and well-being. Just send him away and hope that people will forget he ever existed.
@NJGal51 Is she rewriting history again?I don't remember her ever saying the show was the problem,she said that he had some learning issues and i don't remember her blaming the cameras.I have no idea who this source is but if its a friend of Kate's then i am predicting that kate will come out and say Kate plus 8 was cancelled and say that the kids didn't want to film anymore and totally not because she has 2 missing kids.
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In 2017, a source told Hollywood Life that being on camera was too much stimulation for Collin.
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Ya know, this MAY be true, but I don't believe it ever came from Kate. It gets difficult after a while to sort out what she said from what "a source" said, since K8 is rarely even medium coherent. But it is certainly believable that, if Collin was upset in some way by filming (and it certainly never looked like it when he was seen on the show, although the medications were becoming more obvious as time went on), K8 would rather HE go than the film crew.
Well, do the math, guys. If only one kid was being harmed by filming, that means it was peachy keen for 7 of them. SEVEN! So why spoil their fun over the special needs of one dirty, icky boy? As the sheeple would say, "YOU'D do it, too!"
When I think of the G kids hopefully getting individual psychological help as adults, I remember a line from the old George Lopez sitcom. Referring to his mom's craziness and neglect he says, "Some day I'm going to walk into a therapist's office with a wheelbarrow full of cash, and talk until she begs me to leave."
Oooh. From one of K8's former employers, no less.
https://thestir.cafemom.com/celebrities/214126/jon-gosselin-custody-daughter-hannah
I think they called her a . . . liar?
Oooh. From one of K8's former employers, no less.
https://thestir.cafemom.com/celebrities/214126/jon-gosselin-custody-daughter-hannah
I think they called her a . . . liar?
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Oh look, they have the actual DOCKET just like we do, instead of some bogus source like Deanna.
Deanna, you're an idiot. Is Deanna really believing everything Kate tells her to tell the press? Is she this dumb?
https://thestir.cafemom.com/celebrities/214126/jon-gosselin-custody-daughter-hannah
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Finally someone is doing some research. I wonder if any of the other publications will pick up on this or continue to print the pablum that TFW feeds them.
It's so nice to see that someone finally did their homework and found a real docket instead of listening to Kate's "source". I think her former employer knows what she's really like and knows not to trust her at her word. I have to wonder if Deanna is the source, though. I haven't heard anything about her in a long time. It appears she was replaced by Ronnie years ago. Has anyone watched last year's episodes and seen her name credited anywhere? I'm wondering if she joined the long, long list of people who have been banned from Kate's life.
I do hope People walks away from their latest fictional tale by the two Kates with a large amount of egg on their faces.
And don't you love The Stir's title?
"Jon Gosselin Sets the Record Straight About Who Has Custody of Hannah"
"Sets the record straight"! Perfection.
Sad but true (#88), ha, I was just about to say the same thing!
Schmoopy is going to continue to lose the narrative as, one by one, those children find their voices.
And don't you love The Stir's title?
"Jon Gosselin Sets the Record Straight About Who Has Custody of Hannah"
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Ha. The title should be the DOCKET and a bit of common sense sets the record straight.
I have to wonder if Deanna is the source, though. I haven't heard anything about her in a long time. It appears she was replaced by Ronnie years ago. Has anyone watched last year's episodes and seen her name credited anywhere? I'm wondering if she joined the long, long list of people who have been banned from Kate's life.
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Remember that brief period where Deanna was going on twitter trashing Jon? She said something about Jon not sending xmas presents or something.
The tone of so many of these "source" stories reminds me of that. Such bitterness, so cutting, and sharing information that she couldn't possibly know the real story about (for instance Jon may have avoiding sending presents because it upsets children who are estranged from him, or because he does not trust Kate to give them the gifts, or a host of other reasons. Deanna has no idea the delicate dynamics of this scenario)
Anyway, no idea if it's Deanna, just saying the tone is consistent.
Admin (#91),it seemed like Deanna was getting a big bang out of sharing her "insider" info. It probably made her feel like a big shot.
She bragged about all the time she spent with the kids. Yet somehow I doubt she got their permission to share the personal things she did with strangers on Twitter. Just like TFW probably didn't ask one of the twins' permission when she revealed in an interview that the girl collapsed in a heap after hearing her parents were getting divorced.
It's the height (or depth) of disrespect to violate a child's privacy that way.
She bragged about all the time she spent with the kids. Yet somehow I doubt she got their permission to share the personal things she did with strangers on Twitter.
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I've never seen any kind of warmth or love between Deanna and the kids like I do with Andrea or some of the other nannies, or Beth and Jodi.
I just recapped the Mexico trip, and Deanna was there to go out to eat and drink with Kate for free, and to sit on the beach. Andrea was the one who baked cakes with the kids or drove them through the mud on the ATVs. Andrea was the one left behind to babysit. There was no connection at all between her and these kids. I do not believe she has any sincere feelings for these kids. They're an appendage, they sort of just come with the deal.
I've never seen any kind of warmth or love between Deanna and the kids like I do with Andrea or some of the other nannies, or Beth and Jodi.
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There was a moment between Deanna and Collin during the Mexico trip (if I'm remembering this correctly)when Collin found the mama bear and cub to give his mother for her birthday and he bargained it down with Deanna watching. He was so excited and thanked the vendor over and over for lowering the price for him. Deanna told him that his mother would love it. It was a sweet moment which became heart breaking and bitter sweet when TFW dismissed the gift when he gave it to her,saying "where are the others".
Also, did Collin know that whole scenario when he bought the gift was on show for the whole world to watch. I'm thinking he didn't. I'm really having a hard time getting my head around the extent of the exploitation of those kids. I know this is a blog of like minded people who feel the same as I do and thank you for that. I guess because I've never posted on a blog before, it's like floodgates opening so I do apologise for saying things that I know you've all expressed many times.
Concerned Aussie (#95), you are certainly welcome to share however you want! If you're a regular reader, you'll know many of us bring up older moments again and again, as they tend to resonate more when new facts come into the picture. And the bear story is one we've pointed to many times as a stark example of TFW's lack of connection with that sweet, sensitive boy.
Her clueless reaction to his gift was so unkind. And even when she had a chance to walk it back during the couch interview, she still said the gift was strange. She is a horrible mother.
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Welcome to the forum! Your comments are welcome. We often bring up old discussion and participants change so everything can be new again!
I agree- I remember one time the boys were showing the crew something and asked them not film it- well, of course they did. I don't know if the kids were aware how much of their lives and private moments were filmed and televised, although Kate claimed they watched the show on video everyday.By now the kids must feel some resentment and embarrassment. I doubt any of them except maybe Mady want to continue filming if they had a choice
No need to apologize Concerned Aussie. Even after all these years of following the Gosselin story, we’re still in disbelief.
How can a mother be so uncaring about her children’s well-being? It’s always been about HER & always will be!
Had TFW put a different spin on that gift, she could've come out looking terrific. Something like, "It warmed my heart to get that mama and baby bear from C. I have a special one-on-one connection with each of my kids. They know they're not just part of a group. It's hard to make individual time for them, but that present reminded me just how much it matters."
The bear story always bring tears to my eyes. As I recall, when Collin gave the bear and cub to her, he said, "that's you and me". He wanted to remind her, he was not just one of the crowd, he wanted what he was entitled to, a special relationship with his mother. She cruelly dismissed the gift AND COLLIN as "weird". What kind of a mother would do that? (Don't answer, I know 'what kind'.)
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@FlimsyFlamsy The thing that gets me about that whole thing is that,kate was ok with them airing that scene.Seriously,did she think that it would make her look like a loving mom by filming that?Don't get me wrong,i know Kate isn't the nicest of people but then she wonders why people have an overwhelmingly negative opinion about her.
jamesvader1194 (#101), right, wouldn't a loving mother cringe at having that awkward bit shared with the world? But in her narcicisstic brain, I guess she thought that C was obviously a weirdo for giving her that lame gift, and that people would side with her. Perhaps the gift would've measured up had the mama and baby bear been holding gift cards...
I don't know if anyone else has noticed, but K8's gained over 3-4K followers in the past couple of days. That's about double her normal buy rate over the last year. Looks like she thinks the show's going ahead.
Oh boy, was I off! I just checked the counter again, I thought it said 288K, it is actually 292K! So she's more than quadrupled the order. I can't believe she doesn't realize how transparent she is.
So I just tracked her followers for an hour:
4:25 pm 292,801
5:25 pm 293,022
So her rate of purchase (which had been 1-1.5K per week since last summer's last show) has gone up to 200+ per HOUR. She'll easily be at 300K by the end of the weekend.
I guess IG is not cracking down on this like Twitter has (although Twitter's barely cracked the iceberg on this).
i know Kate isn't the nicest of people but then she wonders why people have an overwhelmingly negative opinion about her.
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Narcissists seem to think everything they do is hunky dory and they don't understand why people don't agree with them.
I don't know if anyone else has noticed, but K8's gained over 3-4K followers in the past couple of days. That's about double her normal buy rate over the last year. Looks like she thinks the show's going ahead.
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Lol , and just a few days ago Jon announced that he had suddenly gotten 3k new followers within a half and hour since that news piece hit People’s magazine.
All genuine followers. Kate must be seething with jealousy.
Sad but true said... 103
I don't know if anyone else has noticed, but K8's gained over 3-4K followers in the past couple of days. That's about double her normal buy rate over the last year. Looks like she thinks the show's going ahead.
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I think she's poured herself a 'rare' treat of a glass of wine and is self-soothing by buying IG followers. It's the 1st weekend following the kids' return to school and just like she did with Twitter, she'd rather be messing around on IG than spending time with them.
TFW was upset the Collin strayed from the herd when he got her the mama bear and her cub figurine. He dared not to go with the turtle (or whatever) theme that she’d picked out and that the other kids stuck to.
John McCain died. He was an American hero and a good man.
RIP John McCain. Your last battle is over. You can now rest and visit with the rest of your family in heaven.
Andrea
RIP John McCain...he was a brave man of integrity. He admitted his own fallibility and was surely tested here on earth.
Wow. Has anyone else looked at Kate's IG this morning? Almost reads like this blog. LOL. Lots of discussions, someone called her a bad mom and another told her to co-parent with Jon. The comment below caught my eye.
xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx ya. Cuz neither one of them want to deal with it. Another person just told me. She works were colin is. And he will not be returning to his mother do to the way she treated him
Susan1956 (#113), and a deflecting puppy picture post should be coming in three, two, one...
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xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxx ya. Cuz neither one of them want to deal with it. Another person just told me. She works were colin is. And he will not be returning to his mother do to the way she treated him
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What was the original question that this comment is answering?
Cuz neither one of them want to deal with it. Another person just told me. She works were colin is
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What? Where do these people get this stuff? She works were (sic) Colln (sic) is?
Do you ever wonder if the kids chose not to talk about Collin or even mention him during filming, or if they were forbidden to say anything even benign? I think some may avoid even saying his name but all of them? Unlikely.
Boom, there's the (triple) puppy post!
Dogs. 3 linked short vids, teaching dogs some trick. K8 cackling in the background.
kateplusmy8 #SnootChallenge X3!!! (Swipe to watch all 3!) We are learning how to #BoopTheSnoot And it’s SO precious! Enjoy!
#Nanuq #Shoka #Mak 🐶❤️🐶❤️🐶❤️
dague12 Perfect for National Dog Day! 🐕🐶 #nationaldogday2018 Good job pups!
kateplusmy8@dague12 it is???? Omg I didn’t even know! Thanks for letting me know! Now we will spoil them even more than a ‘normal’ day lol!
Not much love headed TFW's way on her Instagram today.
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FlimsyFlamsy said... 114
Susan1956 (#113), and a deflecting puppy picture post should be coming in three, two, one...
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BAHAWA!!! You crack me up you black-hearted biddy you.
Just checked her IG page and you were right!!
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bm8l9FjD9Mk/?hl=en&taken-by=kateplusmy8
RIP, John McCain. What a truly great man. It's been announced that he will be lying in state in the Capitol Rotunda, and my family will be there to pay our respects. I complain about the crowds and traffic and expense that are part of living in the DC suburbs, but there are times when I have to pause and reflect on the privileges of living here. Being able to pay our respects in person to someone we greatly admired is one of them. This is the kind of thing I saw on TV as a child, and now I can be a part of it in person (and, more importantly, so can my children). It's all worth it.
If Gladys hasn't posted on National Dog Day, I'm afraid something awful has happened to her. But I would think her online friends would comment had she had some sort of serious life event, to let the others know. I hope she's okay.
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This appears to be the original comment that misunbunny was replying to.
jeska5589@misunbunny Collin must have issues, and needs help. Why would you compare getting him help to treating him like "old garbage?" Do you send your "old garbage" to get help? Collin is a human being and both Jon and Kate must know he has needs that they can't help him with, because neither of them have him living in their homes.
misunbunny@jeska5589 ya. Cuz neither one of them want to deal with it. Another person just told me. She works were colin is. And he will not b returning to his mother do to the way she treated him. So she must of treated him like garbage.
FlimsyFlamsy (123)
Milo's online cronies aren't commenting on her absence at all. It's possible something did happen to her and they spread the word privately. Otherwise, wouldn't they care enough to ask where she is? I would hope so.
Dmasy (my fellow true crime enthusiast),
Did you ever read anything about the Bradford Bishop case? He was a family annihilator who disappeared without a trace. I was out running my errands tonight and passed Strosniders Hardware (used to be Pugh's Hardware, where Bishop bought the shovel) and I think of that case every time I see that place. If you've heard of it, let me know what you think!
Flimsy, I have thought something happened to Milo for a while now..... only something catastrophic would keep her away during the current Jon-Hannah-Collin news. Sorry, Auntie Ann.....
Layla, I have never heard of that case. But, don't you know that the google search will begin immediately!
Dmasy,
The Bishop case has never been covered the way other cases like it have. It's a lot like John List--dad killed his mother, wife, and 3 kids. In this case, the father was Ivy League-educated, worked for the State Department, lived in an affluent area, the family was just beautiful--then dad was passed over for promotion, killed the family, and disappeared forever. Everything is still here--the hardware store is just the same, although under new ownership. The Sears store where he bought the sledgehammer and gas can is at the mall (a little trivia--the DC Snipers were caught sleeping in their car in the parking garage at the same mall and told to leave), and the house is still there, down in the Carderock Springs neighborhood. It's set far back from the street and kind of hidden--it kind of looks like the sort of place where something like that could happen. Spooky and hidden. I'm a little obsessed! Mainly because it was right here, and people here still talk about it.
Well, the list of kids dancing in the DWTS: Juniors show is out, and there are no G kids on it.
Hi Everyone. Just wanted to say thank you all for the warm welcome. This seems like such a friendly blog and it's great to have a safe place to vent about this whole sad situation.
Over here, child exploitation is not looked at favourably, as with Terry Irwin's kids after Steve died. The Irwin kids however, do seem to have the "It" factor and now they're older, are using that to spread the word about animal conservation. Steve was a born performer and his kids seem to have inherited that.
The Gosselin kids, on the other hand, are not performers and I think that, combined with their nightmare of a stage mother, means it's not surprising none of them made DWTS.
Hannah's 1st day of school pic is up on Jon's IG.
Jon posted a pic of Hannah's first day (today):
jongosselin1 Congrats Hannah on your first day of school, proud of you. I admire your bravery starting fresh!!! I Love you very much and we have worked really hard to get here. Dedication has really paid off. I’m so happy you integrated yourself into the community, you made friends all summer and now you will grow and graduate with them. I’m honored to be your father!!! Love you, Dad #newbeginnings
Sounds like she changed schools? What's that about?
XXXXX We will miss you at LCDS but happy you made the right choice for you! Have a wonderful year and visit often!
Well, if nothing else, this more or less screams that K8 is not in charge, of H at least. Unless she refused to pay the tuition? I could see that.
sorry commenting as anonymous, as the name I sometimes use, I cant seem to bring up (mom2two). It seems that Hannah is now going to public school, or at least a school a near Jon, so I dont know how Kate can have custody of her. In a way, its sad she wont be in school with her siblings, but happy for Hannah that she is making a new life for herself. It would be great if Jon could get custody of Collin, get him home, and through IEP/504 also put him in the same school. (though we dont know all his issues).
Milo's online cronies aren't commenting on her absence at all. It's possible something did happen to her and they spread the word privately. Otherwise, wouldn't they care enough to ask where she is? I would hope so.
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She has disappeared before for long periods of time, only to come back throwing out platitudes and hints about her absence, and only a few people have commented that she was missing.
I really hope this time she is okay and not just looking for attention upon her return.
Holy smokes, H switched schools? Get your spinnin' shoes on, TFW, because you're gonna need a lot of tap-dancing to explain this!
I wish H the best of luck. It did, indeed, take courage to do what she did.
Blowing (#133), yes, Gladys has a history of disappearing, but this seems like an inordinately long period of time. And she's usually quick to come to TFW's defense in situations like this. Her need for attention always seemed to supercede whatever wound-licking she slunk off to do.
Concerned Aussie (#129), the Irwin kids definitely inherited their dad's showmanship and enthusiasm for entertaining. You either have it or you don't. As they used to say in the vaudeville days, they were "born in a trunk."
Jon also posted pictures of Hannah's first day of school on his FB page. He said the following:
"Today is Hannah’s first day of possibly high school!!! We will see? We have waited for this day for a long time. Prayers for her starting a new school, especially without her siblings but I must say she has made amazing new friends in community. Thank you to my family and Colleen Donahue Conrad for standing by me and Hannah helping us through this transition. We love you all!!! Good luck Hannah, I love you very much!!!#newbeginnings"
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10156578300824346&set=pcb.10156578300929346&type=3&theater
Robert Hoffman was one of the people who "loved" his post.
Jon saying to H, "I'm honored to be your father!!!" puts tears in my eyes. I can't think of a more loving compliment to give to a child. Compare that to TFW's words and actions, which almost always color parenting as a chore and a burden.
I can just imagine how happy our friend GollyGee would have been to hear about H. And how she would have applauded Jon's efforts finally paying off.
That's amazing for Hannah. It sounds like a choice not that TFW would not pay tuition but who knows? It's kind of sad she is apart from her siblings but I can see how she would do well with kids who live near her now and summer friends. She was class president, was it last year- so I think she's a friendly involved student who will do well wherever she is.Last year TFW refused to buy her school supplies so I think this is a good decision.
Kate is a twit said... 136
Jon also posted pictures of Hannah's first day of school on his FB page. He said the following:
"Today is Hannah’s first day of possibly high school!!!
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I wonder if that means she's going to see if she's advanced enough to go into 9th grade. This'll be interesting.
Looks like H is attending a new school . Most likely a public school since she’s not wearing a uniform. Makes me wonder, if Kate has “ custody” as she claims, wouldn’t she get to decide on the school? She’s been in charge of the financials up till now, including school tuition. So this makes her look like a liar even more.
Nice job Jon on helping H adjust to her new environment this summer. I have a great new respect for him.
Thanks KIAT. So Hannah may skip a grade? Is that what is implied? What grade are the other tups in? I have lost track.
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A comment was posted by a student at her old school confirming that she is no longer attending. Good for her!
Sarah thanks for the reply. I don't know whether to believe that or not. Anyone can say anything online. I guess time will tell.
Now that we know Hannah is going to a different school, I wonder if Kate posted the first back to school picture in years to rub it in Hannah's face somehow. "See? All your siblings are happy go lucky and together and you aren't with them". The biggest tragedy is that in a different world, the yearly pictures could be so different. It could consist of Jon, Kate amd their 8 children. Not because the divorce wouldn't have happened but because in a perfect world they both would have put the children first from the very beginning. Divorce happens in many families. Children being thorn apart, traumatised, institutionalized do not. I feel like this is what Kate can't see.
Sad but true said... 140
Kate is a twit said... 136
Jon also posted pictures of Hannah's first day of school on his FB page. He said the following:
"Today is Hannah’s first day of possibly high school!!!
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I wonder if that means she's going to see if she's advanced enough to go into 9th grade. This'll be interesting.
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That IS interesting. They all were held back because 2 weren't ready in Kindergarten. She is the age of a 9th grader so maybe she could test in to 9th grade.
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The tups are in the 8th grade.
Twins are seniors in HS
I wouldn't be surprised if Hannah does skip a grade. If memory serves me right, the only reason all 6 were in the same grade was because some weren't ready for first grade and Kate decided to hold them all back, like a pack. Hannah may have been among the kids who were ready in time but had to put up with one extra year of kinder.
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That IS interesting. They all were held back because 2 weren't ready in Kindergarten. She is the age of a 9th grader so maybe she could test in to 9th grade.
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That's the K8-"approved" answer when she's asked why they're a year behind. Frankly, I've never really bought that---I'm pretty sure filming had a lot to do with her decision to hold them all back.
Judging by the FB comments it looks like she’s going to Wyomissing HS. Good for her and good for Jon, Colleen, her friends and his family for helping her through this transition. It’s got to be both hard and wonderful for her. She looks happy and relaxed. Will all those rag mags now retract their “Kate has full custody” articles? Waving 👋🏻 at you People magazine and Kate Clone.
I really do hope that Milo is OK. I know that she’s had health issues in the past and I think her absence may be due to more than just hurt feelings.
Looks like the new school has grades 7th- 12th grade in the same building. I’m really hoping H gets to stay in the 9th grade class. She’s exceptionally smart so I have no doubt she will. This would be a big F.U to Kate ,as I’m sure she would never allow the remaining tups to skip, if given the chance. Here’s what freedom looks like Hannah
That IS interesting. They all were held back because 2 weren't ready in Kindergarten.
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Strange, isn't it, that the six were smart enough to take part in a "family vote" to continue filming the show while still wearing pampers, but not ready for kindergarten when they were of age to do so. Gosh, could Kate have made that up?
It makes me wonder if there was any one tipping point in particular that happened or an accumulation of many things that caused Hannah's decision to break free of her mother's grip. I have a feeling she will not be the only one to do this. There may be some interesting books to read in the future. Like we've said many times here, time will tell.
Kate is a Twit -- I saw Ellen's name in the comments also. Jon appears to be able to stay friends with an ex.
Dmasy (#152), and isn't Jon staying in touch with his exes a wonderful example for his children. No, kids, not everyone "deletes" people from their lives when they are no longer of use to them.
I wonder if Jon will now have control over Hannah's money, or at least be able to find out how much if anything is left in her account.
No, kids, not everyone "deletes" people from their lives when they are no longer of use to them.
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Flimsy, I was reading an article in Vanity Fair about OJ Simpson yesterday because I was curious to see what shenanigans he's been up to since he was paroled. His former manager Norman Pardo had this to say:
"Right now, he is out trying to make some new friends, because he needs things,” Pardo adds. “You are O.J.’s friend as long as he needs you. When he doesn’t need you anymore, he’ll say, ‘I don’t even know who this guy is . . . ,’ which is what happened to me and many others."
Deleting people from their lives seem to be a common occurrence with narcissists.
Looks like the new school has grades 7th- 12th grade in the same building. I’m really hoping H gets to stay in the 9th grade class.
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Stay in the 9th grade class? Many times if a student leaves LCDS and goes to a public school, they will be placed in a grade higher than the one they would have been in had they stayed at LCDS, because of the rigorous academics at Country Day.
I just wanted to add that I hope Hannah does really well in her new school. There are many times when a kid leaves the private school to attend a public school, only return to the private school. Some kids transition really well and love the public school much better...other times not so much. It's not an easy transition, but with Jon and support staff helping her, she may very well really like it. I hope so!
Hannah did appear to help the other tups sometimes although Collin too seemed very bright.She also seemed more mature in some ways although I didn't like her being 'mean' to A and C at times. But living in that house...now we see a friendly outgoing girl living a good normal life with her dad and peers.I hope she gets to enter HS if she's ready.Her life's been on hold long enough.
Damn! Sounds like Kate isn’t paying for private school gor Hannah since she’s going to a new school.
I’ve always thought that was what Kate was holding over the kids’ heads. (Even though the kids probably pay for it).
I’ve also thought Kate uses the family pets as leverage too- kids leave, she gets rid of the dogs.
Kate really is a horrible mother.
I am really excited for Hannah. Finally, she's getting a chance to have some say in her life. Yes, getting used to a new school and new people won't be easy, but if anyone has the skills to do this, I believe it's her. It can't be any more difficult than having "crew daddies" ordering her around for days on end, "stand over here," "say this again louder," "don't eat the bodyguard's pizza," etc. I think she's gonna do great. And if it inspires her siblings to choose a different path, so be it.
I think what's made Hannah stand out from her sibs is that she doesn't appear to have ever lost faith in her dad. And it's a credit to her that she was able to maintain and eve strengthen a relationship that Mommy did her damnedest to destroy.
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Stay in the 9th grade class?
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Sorry, I didn’t phrase that correctly. It just sounded like it wasn’t a done deal yet. But that’s good to hear that her old school has those good stats.
Great pic of Hannah. She looks so darn happy. Wishing the best for her in her new school.
There’s no way “Kate” was paying for the private school for any of the kids.
Their personal trusts pay for their schooling. Hannah has a personal trust just like each of the other kids. Now it won’t go toward private school but it will still pay for her college, school expenses etc.
Anonymous (132).You're right, it would be wonderful if Jon could get Collin home and in a normal school, and Hannah could be there to help him with the transition. That may be the plan for the future. Hannah is one strong girl--even faced with having to leave the school she loved, she still didn't cave to Kate's pressure. She's gong to be a force to be reckoned with when she's grown!
Gigi Bee (141)
If the change in schools is reported, how is Kate going to explain it? She has custody of all 8 kids, but decided she's not going to pay for Hannah to go to private school with the others? What kind of mother does that? It's too obvious she does not have custody of H and she's being vindictive toward H for choosing Jon over her.
I wonder why money from the kids' trust is not being used to pay for Hannah's tuition at LCDS. Couldn't Jon have taken control of H's money once he got custody? Or maybe Kate has, in fact, been dipping into the money and there isn't much left. It's hard to believe that Kate is covering all the schooling expenses for so many kids herself. Even if she has gotten financial aid, she hasn't made a huge salary since 2011.
I'm thinking about that statement from Kate's "source"--from last January--saying that Kate's money was running out fast because TLC had only aired 3 episodes the previous year. That was 7 months ago. She has obviously covered all of her expenses for 7 months, and also paid for private school for 6 kids, plus all her legal wrangling. All that would take some major cash. This source is looking more and more like a big, fat liar.
Old Poster (159)
Remember back in 2011, when K+8 was cancelled, Kate reported on all the talk shows that the first thing the kids asked her was whether they would be able to stay in their house and their school. They were 7, but that was their first reaction. Even at that age, she was already holding their school and home over their heads. If they don't film, they would lose all that. That's just evil. They were so small, they shouldn't have been burdened with that kind of worry. And she said one of them asked, "No more fun trips?". They were already being told that if they didn't film they'd lose their house, their private school, and all the trips. So much responsibility being forced upon them when they were only in first grade.
Their personal trusts pay for their schooling. Hannah has a personal trust just like each of the other kids. Now it won’t go toward private school but it will still pay for her college, school expenses etc.
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It would be quite an interesting scenario if at the end of the day this child's trust fund is in better shape than her siblings because of wiser financial choices for her. That could lead to more bitterness among the siblings. I really worry about the sibling relationships in this family.
I've always thought most if not all of these kids would THRIVE in a public school setting, and cutting down their commute time to the school is a game changer on multiple different levels especially now that they are older and busier. Public school can be just as rigorous as private, so I have no idea where that sentiment comes from. And at public schools, you don't have to worry about so and so's mom and dad buying off the school to get him a spot he doesn't deserve. I found my public high school to be harder than most of my college classes because I loaded myself up with advance placement classes, honors classes and other advanced courses. The teachers are often the best of the bunch anyway because teaching kids who are so interested and engaged is a coveted spot. I guess I could have done a similar course load at private school but I don't see the difference.
Indeed, look at the description of Hannah's PUBLIC school: "The Washington Post named WAHS the most challenging public school in the state, excluding magnet and charter schools,[3] and U.S. News & World Report ranked it as the best public school in the state, also excluding magnet and charter schools.[4]"
And she should be with kids her age and the friends her age she's made, she can easily jump ahead into the correct grade with a few extra courses, there's plenty of time for that. Sounds like Jon is implying he's hoping she'll be playing catch up to the CORRECT grade.
Someone pass the ketchup because People magazine has big time egg on their face.
"Right now, he is out trying to make some new friends, because he needs things,” Pardo adds. “You are O.J.’s friend as long as he needs you. When he doesn’t need you anymore, he’ll say, ‘I don’t even know who this guy is . . . ,’ which is what happened to me and many others."
Deleting people from their lives seem to be a common occurrence with narcissists.
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I think it is for many. Quite honestly, I have heard many reliable sources say this about Princess Diana too. Although I don't think she was usually cruel or nasty, many people have said one day she just stopped calling or stopped writing, we used to hang out all the time and then one day we didn't. She really would just drop you. Usually no explanation, no idea wtf happened. Sometimes an explanation. At the time of her death, she had dropped her brother over a dispute over living on his property.
But with her I think it had more to do with her background as a child of divorce and abandonment issues. She did well with her relationship with her children but other relationships were harder for her to maintain and she would play the discard game, like a card you don't like anymore.
I can just imagine how happy our friend GollyGee would have been to hear about H. And how she would have applauded Jon's efforts finally paying off.
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Gosh darn it Golly, why couldn't you have held on just a bit longer to see all this? You would have loved it!!
Times like this you've just got to believe she knows what's going on, somewhere.
I've always thought most if not all of these kids would THRIVE in a public school setting, and cutting down their commute time to the school is a game changer on multiple different levels especially now that they are older and busier.
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For Kate, this school has been about STATUS. Beth, from what I remember, had money, a gorgeous house, and her kids attended private school. Maybe the same one. Kate was obviously trying to compete with her. But I guarentee, it wasn’t about sending the kids to a safe, strong acedemic school. It’s always been about ME and “ look at where MY kids go” .
I can only imagine what the twins years of college will look like. I wonder if that catholic university that they paid a visit too, is the final choice. Regardless, it’ll go down from 6 kids to 4 soon enough.
Maybe it's not a matter of TFW not paying the tuition for the private school but rather Hannah's desire to go to school with her new friends.
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I would think so. She made new friends over the summer and it would be easier to attend school locally. Also if the siblings are ordered to shun her, why would she want to go through that? Didn't she say only the boys talk to her? She really has a chance for a whole new life.Or maybe she doen't want to see TFW at the bus stop ? Who knows. We don't know if she still goes on visits to her mother's.
Re: Hannah's trust--the kids' money is in a revocable trust. Is it possible for Kate to simply decide to revoke Hannah's portion? If she is the trustee (which she must be since she refinanced the house when it was originally part of the kids' trust). I remember someone reporting here that Hannah said (in one of her IG Live sessions) that she loved her school and was staying there. Kate's appeal of the custody order was denied in late July, and now H is going to public school. I can see Kate cutting Hannah off in a fit of rage when she lost custody. She's going to have a hard time controlling the narrative if that's the case. It will come out, and she won't look like a supermom when it does.
Now that Hannah goes to a different school, she won't see her siblings at all except during Jon's visitation. That may backfire on Kate. H and Leah were always so close, and the boys said H was "cool". They may miss her, and want to be at Jon's more because H is there. They have to know that H is going to public school now. And Kate would definitely throw it in their faces that H chose to live with Jon, so now she lives in a small townhouse and goes to public school. But they may also see that H is happy and living in a relaxed environment, and they may decide they want that for themselves. Money is not the major controlling factor in some peoples' lives. Kate doesn't seem to realize that.
If the dating show doesn't take off, then life with Kate is not going to be pleasant. Not at all. Things could get interesting in the near future.
Maybe it's not a matter of TFW not paying the tuition for the private school but rather Hannah's desire to go to school with her new friends.
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That’s what I’m thinking. And maybe by removing herself from the private school, she’s also removing herself from Kate’s control. For example, Jon and Hannah wouldn’t have to worry about running into Kate at the bus stop or other important functions at the school.
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They sure do. They've put out an article about Hannah's first day of school picture. There's not ONE mention of the story they ran only a few days ago basically calling Jon a liar.
Wow!! Just catching up on the news and wanted to add my two cents. Go Hannah! Leaving a school with a close-knit community you've been a part of since kindergarten is no easy thing, especially when that school could've been the only place for her to see her siblings. Also, how exciting that she might be able to move up a grade (where, honestly, she probably could've been this entire time). Full disclosure: I attended the same school as the G kids, and it was not uncommon for kids to start kindergarten at age 6 so they would appear to be ahead of their peers. Seems clear that H is mature enough for high school given all that she's weathered.
I tend to think that this was Hannah's decision rather than anything to do with Kate's money. In my experience, the school works very, very diligently with families who are facing financial issues, custody disputes, and other hard times in order to ensure that the child can remain in school if that's their desire. This reads to me as a mature and brave decision on H's part.
So I was a little off on the purchase of IG followers, but not by much. At 4:30 today, the count is 298,493. In 48 hours, she gained 5,700 new followers, well over 100/hr. I'll never be convinced that this is "organic" growth.
I wonder if she's looking at sponsorships with a minimum threshold of 300K.
. Full disclosure: I attended the same school as the G kids, and it was not uncommon for kids to start kindergarten at age 6 so they would appear to be ahead of their peers. Seems clear that H is mature enough for high school given all that she's weathered.
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The downside of red-shirting just to red shirt is evident. You risk kids' abilities not matching up with their assigned grades later on, especially smart kids, necessitating a grade jump and potential important material missed. You also have kids bonding with peers their actual ages while getting to school only to find out they are a year behind. I hope Hannah slides into 9th grade like a glove, and I bet she will.
But it does beg the question, if the school is so "vigorous" that an 8th grader could easily do 9th grade work at any other school, why not just call the 8th grader a damn 9th grader and be done with it? It's all just labels anyway, so use the correct label for the child's age and abilities.
I too will forever believe the reason these kids were red shirted was directly related to filming and only filming, and for that reason alone I have never liked it for these particular kids. If Kate thinks a smart child like Hannah won't have these thoughts too, she's dreaming.
Good luck to Hannah. I went from private to public school in eighth grade, and I did fine. Public school has a lot of good things.
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I wonder why Coyne has been relegating these latest spins on TFW's custody battle over Hannah to her underling writers. They must either be oblivious to the Gosselin history book of lies that she's been writing for years, or they've been told business as usual, keep the lies coming if you want to collect a paycheck.
Or is she still firmly in denial too?
Hey Coyne...come out, come out wherever you are.
But it does beg the question, if the school is so "vigorous" that an 8th grader could easily do 9th grade work at any other school, why not just call the 8th grader a damn 9th grader and be done with it? It's all just labels anyway, so use the correct label for the child's age and abilities.
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You continue to criticize this school for one reason or the other. You're not here. You have never been to the school nor know much about it, its academics or how it functions.
I hope Hannah likes her new school and does really well, regardless of what grade in which she has been placed. From what I understand, it's an excellent public school system.
You continue to criticize this school for one reason or the other. You're not here. You have never been to the school nor know much about it, its academics or how it functions.
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Is this anything like walk a mile in Kate's shoes?
The school info is public information, a lot more info has been put out there about it, and it's fair game. I never thought this school made a lick of sense for these children and it starts with how incredibly far away it is and the list goes on and on. I need not repeat that all. Remember when the oh so private loves their privacy school posted a bunch of PUBLIC videos that included the KIDS?! Baloney. That is what it is. If people want to say positive things about the school, posters here are free to discuss their feelings about the school too especially when they cite specific examples of what's wrong with it, as I have many times over the years. Obviously the school can't be all that incredible if Jon isn't into sending his daughter there. Apparently it doesn't make sense to him either.
And this just proves my point, there is a perfectly good, no, EXCELLENT public school a hop skip and a jump away. Award winning school. For free. Hannah can save her money for things down the line she will need and want.
It would be one thing if I actually thought the kids themselves weren't paying for Lancaster. I believe they are. Kate doesn't work. Put two and two together. At the end of the day, blowing your hard earned money you earned as a child on a "meh" private school when they are literally some of the best public schools in the country even closer to you makes no sense. None. Misuse of funds. If you have plenty of money or some other way to pay for it that does not involved your child WORKING as I assume all the other parents do, for goodness sake what do I care. I don't. I'm not talking about other kids. I'm talking about these kids.
Just saw the FDOS school
pic. Just great !
It’s wonderful to see Hannah so happy. I hope her siblings also find their way to some peace.
Someone upthread mentioned that the new high school was highly ranked. Curious me checked the U.S. News and World Report rankings as well as a few others and I don’t see it ranked at all. Any chance you could share where the information originated?
Good, bright kids do well no matter where they go to school. With continued support, Hannah has a bright future.
Kelly A.
The best thing about TFW's school picture of the kids is the broom/mop in the corner. OCD my a$$.
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The best thing about TFW's school picture of the kids is the broom/mop in the corner. OCD my a$$.
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haha, I noticed it too. I also have noted in previous BTS pictures she often has a crooked lamp by her door and the welcome sign is usually askew.
It seems to me going to a private school like they do keeps the students in a bubble. There may be some scholarship kids but they are mostly exposed to the same small group of rich kids just like themselves. I live in a nearby County and there are several excellent school districts.
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It’s wonderful to see Hannah so happy. I hope her siblings also find their way to some peace.
Someone upthread mentioned that the new high school was highly ranked. Curious me checked the U.S. News and World Report rankings as well as a few others and I don’t see it ranked at all. Any chance you could share where the information originated? Anonymous said... 184
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Here's an article from 2014: http://www.wfmz.com/news/berks/wyomissing-named-third-most-challenging-school-in-the-state_20160527101155829/19180063
"The best thing about TFW's school picture of the kids is the broom/mop in the corner."
The broom is one of her modes of transportation.
ncgirl (#189), meow -- good one!
Sunset Blvd (#184), yes, the OCD was just some characteristic invented to make the "character" of Kate Gosselin more interesting. Like when they attempted to pretend she was a loving, caring mother.
Perhaps you haven't noticed, but parents are allowed to make schooling decisions for their children.
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Oh wait, but no. Not when they are using the CHILD's funds to pay for it. In fact in my states a TRUSTEE is required who is not the parent to manage a child's trust, and yes, they are going to question whether funds should be blown on an extremely expensive school that gives you little to no advantage in the long run. And, in family law cases like Jon and Kate's, open family law cases, you can bet your bottom dollar the judge gets to decide on the school in a dispute. Seen that. In fact the judge may very well have given Jon the green light here to switch schools, he would have had to if Kate claims to have legal custody. So, you're simply not correct. And even if you were, you say the parents should decide. Well Jon is the parent too, and he has said to hell with that school for a reason, and that should be given some deference.
You're applying this discussion to all kids at this school. I couldn't care less what all other good or bad decisions other parents want to make. That's irrelevant. You sound like your kid goes there. I don't care that your kid goes there for cripe sake, it's not personal. Since I assume you're paying for it, that's irrelevant to the discussion.
This is fantastic news that Hannah will be attending a public school, has made new friends and can continue to repair the damage done to her by that witch.
I noticed Milo disappeared early on after it was pretty much confirmed Hannah was with Jon. It may take her years to recover from the shock.
At 12:30 am Eastern time, 08/28, K8's IG followers hit 300K.
To sum up: +7,200+ in 54 hours.
WOW! "She's so POP.u.lar" . . .
(That IS what everyone's thinking, right?)
im Curious and I don’t know if anyone has the answer. But in the case of Hannah trying to advance to the 9th grade, what would be the process? A placement test maybe? Or a trial run in the new grade to see how well she would do for the first few days?
Hannah has a Guardian Ad Litem- wouldn't that person need to ok change of school? I don't know what areas they cover other than custody and welfare
Uh-oh.
ninnie0203 You lied!! You don’t have custody of Hannah. I saw the court papers
shelia_diamond@ninnie0203 🚨✋ That's between her and Jon, she doesn't owe anyone an explanation
ninnie0203@shelia_diamond No she doesn’t but her statement that she has full custody of all 8 children is plaster in magazines and social media is a lie
kateplusmy8@ninnie0203 oh? Where did you see the ‘court papers’ ...
kateplusmy8@ninnie0203 oh? Where did you see the ‘court papers’ ...
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I spit my orange juice. Is Katie playing dumb this morning? Like that the docket is not out there showing she's APPEALING CUSTODY, and Jon's FULL BRIEF about the illegal agreement she's trying to hold him to?
Uh oh spaghettio.
Hannah has a Guardian Ad Litem- wouldn't that person need to ok change of school? I don't know what areas they cover other than custody and welfare
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Well it's PA not CA but I imagine it's similar. In CA we as a GAL have a HUGE say over school, schooling, where a child will go to school, even how they will get there. We can get involved in problems the child is having at school and we can even try and intervene and help with things like the child being disciplined too harshly or something. With the help of a CASA, I was once able to stop a good kid from being expelled and he got another chance, and he did so much better.
In fact I actually could invoke a law that required a child to stay in their home school. So let's say I represented Hannah, Jon wanted to move her to Wyomissing, and I didn't want that. I could literally veto it, and she ain't moving. I did not invoke this rule that much, but you bet I did when it was warranted.
If the GAL has the power to do that, that means she did not invoke that. That speaks volumes. I wouldn't be surprised if the GAL was fully in support of this decision.
Admin (#197), better put on your clown wig, because it's time to GET YER POPCORN!
Bless her heart, TFW really and truly believed it when she said, "I'm in charge, and that's never gonna change." Until. It. Did.
Heifer's been blindsided. Her brand is Mother Of 8, and all signs point to her never, ever having all 8 children under her roof again.
Does anyone remember TFW showing old video of her and Jon with their 2 cats before the twins were born? Those cats disappeared, and her explanation was, "We traded 2 cats for 2 kids." That made me think abput how she threw C out, and got 2 new puppies in the house, and expected that to deflect from the missing "cast member." With H well and truly gone, what can she do now?
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I do remember that! It was then that Kate said she would like a small fluffy dog but Jon said he would like a large breed one. I think he must have been heartbroken over Nala and Shoka's treatment.
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