On the flip side, if they do get some desperate character willing to "date" her he could be so bad an actor that he would make her look bad. .. ya know... no chemistry... oh wait, she makes herself look bad!. Ok, never mind. ha ha
It is possible she filmed multiple episodes for a "season" of Kate Plus Date with the one guy she was seen with at the escape room. Naturally things wouldn't work out with him in the end and now they are looking for a new patsy to play the love interest for the next go around.
Kate would certainly be more comfortable with just one actor to deal with as opposed to a new guy for every episode. Nothing real about it at all.
I'm not counting her out until we get to the end of January with nothing being aired. The report of the guy saying he was asked to audition in the last month would seem to indicate the show goes on.
On the other hand, I am really glad to see Collin out of the long-term facility and in Jon's care. This will be much better for him in the long run and will give Jon a chance to raise him to be an independent and productive person. While I have no idea why Collin was placed where he was, just looking at the pictures of him with Jon makes me hopeful he can be part of the family again even if it is just with Jon and Hannah for now.
True, the guy who was asked to audition at the end of November does make it look like the dating show is still a thing. But--at that time the custody issue with Collin hadn't happened. She lost fans/potential viewers with that stunt. It's the ratings that are going to sink her. I have always said--you don't take the least popular character from an already unpopular show and think she's going to be popular on her own. Ratings for K+8 have been dismal for years, and this show will be without the kids, who seemed to be the reason most people tuned into watch in the first place.
Of course, TLC has always seemed to reward Kate's bad behavior. She dragged the twins on TV to trash Jon and they clammed up. She was roundly criticized for that, but that's when TLC brought back her show. It's a weird dynamic--they have cut other people and shows (Josh, Duggar, Honey Boo Boo, that show about the Willis family) when they cross the line, but Kate has a different set of rules entirely. Makes no sense. But this show is going to be an embarrassment for them all, and they deserve it.
I wonder of TLC can go back to the agency that gave them Van the Man or if she burned those bridges too. She is just not date material or even friend material. She would be so exhausting to be a friend to her.
The last interview where she smirked and said “she knew where Collin was but no one else did” (including John) and that she’d lost count of how many times Jon said he was going to take her to court and that she didn’t really care what he thought are all coming back to haunt her. But the worst comment that will hang over her head like a black cloud forever is when she said “I will go to the ends of the earth to do what’s best for my kids”...bitch please! You couldn’t go 10 miles to a court room and just plant your ass in a chair to just give your kid any hope that you care one iota for him. Hopefully Jon’s unconditional love can cover the multitude of your sins against that poor boy.
Wowser (#6), good to see you! Yeah, when it comes to sound bites, TFW is Mother Of The Year. Ends of the earth! Tooth and nail! Golden platters! I breathe for them! Except she's a narcissist, so it was all bull.
Someone here once said whenever TFW says "my kids" she really means "myself." And if you plug her name in to all those professions of love and loyalty, it actually fits.
So Jon's in CA for some reality TV "event" sponsored by WEtv. I hope he's not about to make a really stupid move. I don't begrudge him the free trip, but still.
So Jon's in CA for some reality TV "event" sponsored by WEtv. I hope he's not about to make a really stupid move. I don't begrudge him the free trip, but still.
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I'm sure the terms of this custody mean that Collin cannot appear on TV anymore and instead needs to focus on his stabilization in the family home. I have a very strong feeling that his service providers have been recommending he be off TV for years.
Jon has all along attended little promotion events like this through the years. He seems to get invited to a lot more of them than Kate does. Funny how being the friendly, affable one of the two tends to get you invites.
“Collin has no relationship with his mother & has not spoke to his other siblings in years” well I guess she kate really truly threw him away like garbage.... lots of new articles from Jon’s interviews regarding Collin & their relationship.. what a gift to receive but for the pure love of his dad. So happy Collin with be whole again... (sorry to post annoynomas
“Collin has no relationship with his mother & has not spoke to his other siblings in years” well I guess she kate really truly threw him away like garbage.... lots of new articles from Jon’s interviews regarding Collin & their relationship.. what a gift to receive but for the pure love of his dad. So happy Collin with be whole again... (sorry to post annoynomas
The problem is when you don't visit your child, you will have no relationship with them.
I don't understand her motivations for dumping this precious boy in an institutions and then not supporting him in an institution. As multiple sources have said including mine, she did not visit this boy in treatment. This is why she really did turn a ton of people. They were offended by her not treating him at home in the first place. But to add insult to injury, to truly dump him there and forget about him, is heinous. I don't care if SHE doesn't want to bother with him, do it for HIM, so the kid isn't damaged and needs years of therapy because you abandoned him. She is crueler than I ever thought.
Admin (10), I wasn't suggesting that Jon would put Collin on TV, just that he's made questionable choices about his own image in the past. His appearance on Couples Therapy (? or whatever it was) really set him back, I think.
Admin (#13), it boggles the mind that she thought this was acceptable behavior. C may have been an expendable "character" to her, but he wasn't to those of us who felt a warm connection with him. He wasn't Steve Urkel or Nellie Oleson -- just some cast member on a show. He was a flesh and blood child. She is a horrible mother.
She and the kids haven't visited C in years--that breaks my heart. And it's even more cruel of her to refuse to tell Jon where C was so that the poor little guy could have someone to visit him and love him. There is nothing that child could ever have done to deserve that kind of treatment. That is just pure spite and hatred toward both Jon and Collin. Yes, Collin too. She could have washed her hands of him and allowed Jon the chance to forge a relationship with him, but she chose not to do that. And this is the person who always claimed to be a "high-road-taker". If she believes that then she is just delusional. And evil. She is pure evil. Remember the video of her smirking and saying, "I've known where Collin is all along, but the rest of the world doesn't know"? She sat there and smirked, knowing she had cut every last loved one out of that child's life and left him completely abandoned.
I do not believe that Collin's doctors recommended that he not be filmed and she went along with it. She wouldn't have listened to them. She had to have been stopped in some way. Was C taken away to prevent her from forcing him to do things (like filming) that were harmful to him? No way she would have stopped filming him because it's in his best interest. Not a chance.
So Hannah has lived with Jon since February, I don't remember hearing that. And I think it's wonderful that Jon allows Hannah's classmates to visit the house often, according to the US magazine article. It must really burn Kate that SHE'S not the one there in Hollywood!!
People magazine has FINALLY addressed the elephant in the room, but in their own nasty, one-sided way. They have acknowledged that Jon has been awarded custody of Collin, (or to be more accurate, that Jon "says he has") because it's "easier" for only one parent to transition him home.
Their slanted article also states that Jon doesn't speak with any of the other children besides Hannah and Collin. Naturally, the two year old interview with Cara and Mady has been rehashed.
I really don't get the magazine's undying loyalty to Kate. Really-- why?? Who is Kate Gosselin for her to have People magazine's unwavering support. I seriously can't understand it.
PS - I am so sad for the other children who refuse to have a relationship with their father. For the twins, yes, but especially for the other four sextuplets. What has Jon done to them to warrant such animosity? Their mother is disgusting.
People has finally weighed in on the Gosselin story. Their headline is: "Jon Gosselin Doesn't Have Contact With Most of His Kids: They "Aren't Talking to Me", Really? After that no-show stunt Kate pulled, this is what they choose to report on? Of course, they end the story with the usual "Mady and Cara aren't talking to Jon" thing. Disgusting.
I think Leah, Alexis, Joel, and Aaden had to fight just to talk to Hannah. I don’t really think Kate wanted that to even happen. It now seems like Hannah was the one that made the visit to there dad possible. It’s just so sad
How interesting that K8 won't pick up the phone to call her good friend Kate to provide a comment. People had no new information for this story, and they got the date of the hearing wrong (said it was in November). They got nothing, and they know it.
Assuming that the people story is true.How would Kate convince the other 4 to not see Jon?How would kate fans spin how he got custody of collin but somehow were suppose to believe that the other 4 don't want to see him?Either people is not telling the full story here or something doesn't add up.I believe the kids know or will find out on the news that their father has custody of Collin and that their mother couldnt even be bothered to show up,wouldn't that prove to the kids that jon cares about them?Somethings not right here.
Kate is obviously hard at work alienating the remaining kids against Jon. After losing two of them to him, she can't afford to let any more of them go. She has no qualms about destroying relationships to make herself look better, and this is just her latest in a long string of alienations.
"Jon Gosselin Doesn't Have Contact With Most of His Kids: They "Aren't Talking to Me", Really?
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You know what, regardless how stupid Coyne personally feels about this situation, she knows damn well that headline does not reflect what the story is.
Is this a case of if Collin can't be with Kate they don't want him to be with Jon either? Pretty sick. It's a CHILD, Coyne.
I don't understand- so now none of the four tups with Kate ever see Jon? The three- Aaden, Joel and Leah - used to go every week or weekends I thought? When did that stop?
Formerly Duped said... 27 I don't understand- so now none of the four tups with Kate ever see Jon? The three- Aaden, Joel and Leah - used to go every week or weekends I thought? When did that stop? ____
Yep. We don't know why or when. But I can take a wild guess: This has K8's fingerprints all over it. The other 4 tups still at home did not just take it into their collective heads one day to freeze Daddy out of their lives. Maybe the threat of having to change schools---or whatever---was too much for them, which would be understandable. They have SEEN, up close and very personally, what she can do to those who don't do what she wants them to do.
She is one destructive, ignorant cow. I sure hope she finds someone on the dating-show circuit, because I don't think that the picture she fabricated of her sitting in a rocker knitting, surrounded by grandkids, is ever going to happen.
I just read (Us Mag) that TLC asked Jon to give permission to film his kids (for date show) and he refused to sign. That could be why the tups that previously visited Jon now don't. (I can just imagine what Kate said to the kids about their father after that happened).
I subscribe to publications on twitter, and there are so many Jon articles.
Jon described Colin as lovey dovey and intuitive. How could Kate give up on him? And Jon said Colin was going to enjoy the rest of his childhood. Finally. Sounds like Colin never got to do that with Kate.
There's an article about Jon's thoughts on Kate's dating show. He doesn't think she can find love on TV. The article said no premiere date had been announced. What's interesting was Jon said he wouldn't let the children be on the dating show. He said he wouldn't sign the work permits. So he has rights to say if they can film? Here's the article:
There is really no telling the hell these kids have been through. I know Kate is jealous and wished she were out in warm California showing off her boobs and her boob Skeeve.
Jon is on video saying he doesn't see or talk to the other kids. He says they talk to Hannah. It's video from the event he was at. Hopefully that will change.
I'm guessing that Jon's regular every-other-weekend overnight visitation with the other 4 tups ended right around the time Hannah moved in with him. Because at that point, K8 probably turned to them and said, okay, the judge says you're all old enough to decide, so where do YOU want to go? And with that probably came all of the baggage she's piled on them for years: school, house, pool, etc., etc. Not surprising those visits have stopped.
As for her including them in her dating show, I can see the twins going along with it (if they're filming after their 18th b'day, presumably they now have much more autonomy--and remuneration--in terms of their participation). And maybe the other 4 would have cooperated. But how do K8--AND TLC--think they're going to sell K8+D8+8-2 to the public? How many "set-the-record-straight" tours would that require from K8? I don't think TLC's PR is that good.
Another interview where Jon gives a little more information than what is in the printed interview ... Watch the video.. https://www.etonline.com/jon-gosselin-excited-to-enjoy-the-holidays-at-home-with-son-collin-exclusive-115633
I have to agree with Sad But True (@28) and M (@30). The remaining 4 tups not speaking to Jon has TFW’s fingerprints all over it and I believe that it’s a direct result of his refusing to sign the work permits to allow them to appear on the dating show. I’m sure that TFW went ballistic over that and as we all know, if you’re not with her you’re against her. I’m sure Mady’s Attitude towards Jon didn’t help either. Hopefully things will work out for them all and the tups still with TFW will begin to visit once again.
Nothing from TFW yet on IG, however, she made a comment (last week) on Mady’s post from 6 Nov ago asking Mady to “post more pictures please”.
NJGal51 ...that is not TFW who made that comment on Mady's Instagram ... It's a Fan's Instagram ...it has a _ at the end,cis how to tell the difference .....
I have to agree with Sad But True (@28) and M (@30). The remaining 4 tups not speaking to Jon has TFW’s fingerprints all over it and I believe that it’s a direct result of his refusing to sign the work permits to allow them to appear on the dating show.
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It rarely occurs to children this age they can "estrange" a parent. They almost always are influenced by other adults, often older family members. Even older siblings, hate to say it.
Think about it, did anyone know what estranging a parent meant when they were all of 14 years old?
She is one destructive, ignorant cow. I sure hope she finds someone on the dating-show circuit, because I don't think that the picture she fabricated of her sitting in a rocker knitting, surrounded by grandkids, is ever going to happen.
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The thing is, any good man who is at all serious about having a healthy relationship would see all this absurd, absurd family drama as one big fat red flag. He'd run far, far away from this mess and not dare get involved. So good job on that front, Kate. It's not the kids that scare men away. It's all this.
But . . . since when has she/TLC ever needed Jon's permission for work permits? Does anyone think he's been signing them all along, and it was just never mentioned? Was TLC trying to play nice? I admit I'm confused on this point.
The 4 remaining tups' not speaking to Jon is definitely because of filming. Kate probably told them that Jon is going to make them lose their house and leave their school because he won't let them be filmed, and they'll all be homeless. She knows that if she can't have any of the younger kids in the new show, fewer people will watch, the ratings will be lower, and her chances of getting more seasons are pretty much nil. Filming is everything to her. If Jon stands in her way, she will make him pay.
I think Kate and TLC have always ignored Jon and the work permits thing because they thought he could never beat them on in court. Then--surprise!--he got custody of two of the kids. Maybe the new Guardian Ad Litem changes things because the court has someone keeping track of what is going on with the kids. Maybe now there is a court order to keep them from filming the kids without Jon's signature. Whatever it is, they are scared enough to finally comply. Their days of calling the shots are over.
FYI, I see that I am Jazz and My Big Fat Fabulous Life are coming back for new seasons at the beginning of January. No mention of Kate's Fake Dating Show (KFDS).
I think Jon not seeing the other tups is more recent. Before Hannah’s Instagram went private she had a post up, she was outside and there was some commotion. She was laughing and said that that’s life with three brothers.
Jon mentioning that the remaining tups don't talk to him and that their last meeting with all 8 kids was volatile is sad. I'm sure K8 Jr. (Mady) had plenty to do with that as well as Leah and Alexis. Cara, is too reserved for me to hazard a guess. The narrative of Aeden and Joel also refusing to talk to their Dad raises too many red flags with me. Their personalities are too mellow and amenable even with all the chaos around them. Plus they've always had a bond with Jon since they were little. Lord knows, K8 couldn't be bothered with "icky boys" (insert sarcasm).
Also, I recall somewhere on this blog (July 2018), someone mentioned that Hannah had live blogged on IG (?) and she made reference to the 3 boys being there with her even though their faces weren't shown and they were having fun. That was only 5 months ago. Either K8 has laid down the hammer at the House of Horrors and Jon is covering for the kids to save face, or the remaining tups really don't want to see/talk to Jon. It's heartbreaking anyway you look at the situation.
You can bet K8 used everything in her arsenal to make sure the other tups and the twins don't re-connect with their Dad (evil witch). They will eventually come to realize fact vs. fiction. The fact that Hannah realized this before it was too late gives me hope. Out of all the tups, it's fitting that Hannah continues to be the leader and that she will be there to help Collin as well as their Dad. I'm glad that he is not rushing the kids and setting high expectations. He's letting them come to him when they're ready and on their terms.
I'm so sorry to hear this news about the other kids. Of course that manipulative heifer is behind it. She is profoundly, and perhaps permanently, damaging the sibling relationships that will continue long after she and Jon are gone. I'm remembering someone asking little J who he was, and how he grinned and replied, "I'm Daddy's son."
Am I wrong to worry that this new info might actually score TFW an on-camera interview somewhere?
I'm glad Jon refused to sign the work permits for the kids to film. It's about time Kate earn her own paycheck, not the kids. I hope with time, the kids reconnect with Jon.
I don't understand. Someone said here that all of the kids have legal guardians now..if that is the case, why isn't custody being carried out as ordered by the court whether they want to go or not? For the four 14 year olds?
But . . . since when has she/TLC ever needed Jon's permission for work permits? Does anyone think he's been signing them all along, and it was just never mentioned? Was TLC trying to play nice? I admit I'm confused on this point. ——————- Kate had full legal custody of all the kids up until now. They did not need Jon’s signature until he got custody of Hannah and now Collin.Jon has been against filming since the divorce or before. The season before the divorce, Jon said on camera that he did not want to continue to film. Kate kept insisting that they would be back for another season.
I am in the camp that the tips estrangement is due to filming. Kate said something to upset them. She sure knows how to manipulate the kids.
But . . . since when has she/TLC ever needed Jon's permission for work permits? Does anyone think he's been signing them all along, and it was just never mentioned? Was TLC trying to play nice? I admit I'm confused on this point. ----------------------- I think they always needed Jon's permission. Kate used the massive amount of child support Jon owed as leverage to get him to agree to giving her the ability to film the kids. This was back in 2012. In exchange for not paying child support Jon agreed to let them film.
After the incident with Kate regarding H at the dentist it would appear Jon had enough and tried to protect his kids. Jon revoked his permission and Kate went ballistic. Kate then sued him for over $100K in back-due support.
Yes, this makes some sense. Of course we don't know for sure that there was a side deal, but the timing is right. When Hannah leaves in February, she's right there suing him the next month. What a tangled mess, especially for the kids.
amc (#52), and that makes my stomach turn. C was cut off from his 2 roommates/wombmates for more than 2 years -- surely a painful period for all 3 boys. And once that connection was restored thanks to her nemesis Jon, TFW couldn't let it continue.
@Admin Do you think its possible Mady had an involvement in the 4 not seeing Jon?When the twins came out and said how they aren't seeing Jon,i was worried that they'd(especially mady)try to influence the tups into not seeing their father.Im not denying that Kate is the one mostly responsible for all this but i can see mady trying to convince the tups not to go see Jon.I wonder if the twins saw on the tabs that Jon has custody of Collin and what they think of their mother not even bothering to show up to court.Like i said,there's something about all this that we dont know.
Just want to thank everyone for posting the links to all the articles.
This family that TFW created is so very fractured and she's the one responsible for all of it. At this point, I've gone from thinking she's a nasty, manipulative, greedy narcissist to concluding that she is simply pure evil. I don't say that lightly, but after all these years of observing the damage she has single handily inflicted on so many people, she more than deserves that description.
One day soon, may she be completely alone. And, broke too. That's the least of what she deserves. I could go on, but I'll just sit back and wait for more karma to hit this evil bitch.
Anonymous said... 54 It looks like Jon is checking houses in California. He post on his Instagram tha he was with his Realtor friend. Nan
I have friends that are realtors and just because I’m with them doesn’t mean I’m checking out houses. Where did you see that? I follow him on IG and twitter and didn’t see it.
Here are the two Instagram posts that Jon did yesterday from LA.
The first post is a series of pics of Jon and Colleen, plus a pic of Jon at the WeTV event with some other reality TV people, and a pic of him with the realtor guy:
jongosselin1 Had a great time in LA with @colleen.conrad122 met up with my boy Harvey @harveytherealtor saw the sights enjoyed the weather, had a great event last night with Wetv @wetv at the Paley Center @paleycenter it was nice meeting everyone!!!
This post is a pic of Jon joking around when he came across the TMZ Celebrity Tour bus:
He rose to fame with his then-wife Kate Gosselin and their eight children.
But Jon Gosselin's current relationship is with one Colleen Conrad, and he revealed that they have 'talked about' the prospect of marriage.
Jon, 41, made the revelation at the Real Love: Relationship Reality TV’s Past, Present And Future panel held this Tuesday, People reported.
He dished: 'I’ve been with Colleen for four years now,' and when it comes to marriage: 'I’ve thought about it, yeah - talked about it.'
Jon recalled: 'She’s driven. I’ve known Colleen my whole life. We grew up three blocks from each other. Her sister used to babysit me.'
The former reality star shared that if fans wanted romance updates: 'Just look at my Instagram. That’s how stories get out anyway, I guess. It’s so funny.'
Jon's 10-year marriage to Kate produced twin daughters Cara and Madeleine in 2000. Kate gave birth to sextuplets four years later.
The reality show began in 2007, but by 2009, the marriage ended as Jon fended off a persistent swirl of rumors alleging his multiple affairs.
Kate was also reported to have cheated on Jon with bodyguard Steve Neild, but like Jon, she staunchly denied the infidelity claims.
She told People magazine that the accusations against her 'are disgusting, unthinkable, unfathomable, and I am horrified.'
Jon ultimately left the reality show, which subsequently became Kate Plus Eight, and he has since become a disc jockey under the name DJ Jon Gosselin.
The father of eight gained custody of his 14-year-old son Collin this month after the boy's mother failed to appear at the hearing, Us Weekly reported.
I am in the camp that the tips estrangement is due to filming. Kate said something to upset them. She sure knows how to manipulate the kids.
Andrea *************** Definitely, it is all about filming. When the show was cancelled in 2011, she said the kids immediately asked her if they would be able to stay in their house and their school, and that one of them also asked, "No more fun trips?". I'm sure that she told them they will lose their house, have to leave their school, and won't be able to go on trips or go to college because Jon won't sign to let them film. That would upset them greatly--this is their security (house, school), their future (college) and something they enjoy (trips), all gone because of their horrible, evil father (according to Kate). They don't know any better, and their mother is a master manipulator. They probably believe Jon wants to take away everything they have. No wonder they're angry.
The pure selfishness of Kate astounds me, doing her level best to trash these siblings' relationships with each other. She will go someday as all parents go, and they may only be in their 40s or 50s when she does. That's DECADES of life left together in which they will be ALL THEY HAVE of their childhoods. One of the most beautiful things out of watching our family bury my grandfather this year was all of the siblings coming together to let him go, and let their childhood home go. They NEEDED each other through that, still do, and he left a wonderful legacy in building that family. She can't put aside her selfish bitter nasty self for one second and realize that it's not always going to be about her, that she won't always be around, that they will go on with life without her and would prefer it be a nice one. She says she loves these kids, but it's not really loving them to do this to them.
Anonymous said... 54 It looks like Jon is checking houses in California. He post on his Instagram tha he was with his Realtor friend. Nan
I have friends that are realtors and just because I’m with them doesn’t mean I’m checking out houses. Where did you see that? I follow him on IG and twitter and didn’t see it.
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I'm not making that leap either. He's tagging people on instagram he's hanging out with. He didn't say he's looking at houses. He can't afford Los Angeles. He's not that stupid.
anonymous (54) I doubt that Jon is looking at houses. He just said he met up with a realtor friend--no mention of looking for a house. Plus, I have family in the area (in PA), and they said Colleen bought a large, very nice new house last year. I don't think they would be planning to move already.
@Admin Do you think its possible Mady had an involvement in the 4 not seeing Jon?When the twins came out and said how they aren't seeing Jon,i was worried that they'd(especially mady)try to influence the tups into not seeing their father.Im not denying that Kate is the one mostly responsible for all this but i can see mady trying to convince the tups not to go see Jon.I wonder if the twins saw on the tabs that Jon has custody of Collin and what they think of their mother not even bothering to show up to court.Like i said,there's something about all this that we dont know.
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YES, there is such a thing as sibling alienation.
Usually of course the alienation starts with the parents who turn the siblings against each other. Siblings don't just naturally alienate each other, yeah right Kate.
It's been speculated that perhaps one consideration for Jon agreeing to filming back in the day is to try to just give the kids what they want, let him know he's not unreasonable, he's not against them, he wants them to have what they want, extend an olive branch to their mother.
And if that was the case we can see why. Because when he does say nope not okay with it, they cut off contact.
As far as Kate alienating the remaining 4 tups from Jon, I truly believe Kate has made some threats or has played some abusive mind games against them. If we were only a fly on her wall, i think we’d be appalled at what these kids have had to deal with throughout the years. Filming only revealed a small percentage of her abusive nature. I believe these kids are afraid and aren’t strong enough to challenge her. And I’m afraid that her alienating nature will unfortunately rub off on some of these kids. They have witnessed time and time again their family members, babysitters, friends, community volunteers etc come into their lives and disappear. All because of Kate. But she puts her spin on things. It’s always someone else’s fault. I’m afraid everyday people will become expendable to these kids in their adult life. And many will have trust issues and relationship issues
I've always felt that Mady has a love/hate relationship with the younger ones. Sometimes, she's caring and protective and as we've seen at other times she can even be verbally and physically abusive that goes beyond sibling rivalry, at least when the tups were younger.
Even without K8's evil influence and manipulation, perhaps the other kids would still feel some resentment for their father "abandoning" them, especially the twins. In essence, leaving them to fend for themselves. I do hope all of the siblings will be able to eventually restore their relationship with each other as well as with Jon.
Interesting theory that Jon is estranged from the children because of Kate's rage over him not allowing filming. It does make sense. Maybe Jon feels now he has more power and won't sign off on things when in the past, he was at the mercy of Kate and TLC.
Didn't in one of her many oh, so many, interviews, say that it was by her choice her own parents aren't in the picture? And I distinctly remember Jon said in an interview why he couldn't spent time with his kids and his mom together?
So, if anyone is alienating tendencies it would seem to be from Kate. For whatever her reasons. So part of me doesn't exactly doubt that she keeps this up towards her children certainly her ex-husband.
Is her show Kate plus 8 officially been canned by TLC or do they still do specials or whatever?
Administrative (#62), and I find it particularly ironic that Ms. Organic Diet managed to find a way to poison her children anyway. Good on ya, Katie Irene.
Raising kids under the best of circumstances is fraught with obstacles and challenges. Parents lose children to disease, accidents and gun violence every day, and families are shattered. Spared such suffering, TFW manufactured her own family tragedy by turning her children against their father. I call that emotional abuse, full stop.
Raising kids under the best of circumstances is fraught with obstacles and challenges. Parents lose children to disease, accidents and gun violence every day, and families are shattered. Spared such suffering, TFW manufactured her own family tragedy by turning her children against their father. I call that emotional abuse, full stop.
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Sibling and parental alienation IS emotional abuse, absolutely.
And yeah, good point. She has eight healthy, wonderful kids, and yet she's fractured the family. Other families are fractured in so many other ways completely out of their control. She had control over this.
And I agree, we underestimated her by a mile. She actually is evil. She's not a narcissist. She's a sociopath.
How much power does the GAL actually have? said... 75
I think that it's the kids' age (14) working against him. At 18 the twins cannot be compelled to see him. At 14, you have Hannah and Collin choosing to live with Jon. I am sure the argument goes, if those two have the freedom of choice, so do the rest of the tups. And I'm also sure Kate has worked her ass off to ensure that no one else will dare to go with their dad. That may change, of course, but at the moment she seems to have the upper hand with the 4 tups still living in her house. The GAL may recommend the tups reestablish a connection, but I don't think it is enforceable from a practical point of view.
How much power does the GAL actually have? said... 75
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Number one I'm not sure this GAL represents anyone other than Hannah.
Number two, if she does represent all the kids, she shouldn't, because the kids seem to have extremely varying different views, and you can't really represent all the kids when some of them are at such odds with each other.
Finally, your recommendations and opinions are just that, and although most judges will put a lot of weight on them, it's not like you have veto power. Judges will overrule you if they think they have a better idea for what's in the kids' best interest. It's not a daily thing for most judges to disregard minor's counsel's viewpoint, but it's not unusual either.
Who decides on retaining and appoints the GAL(s)? It's the judge, right? And they are paid by the "client." I wonder whose money is being used to pay for however many GALs are involved. Is it something usually split between the parents? Or do you reckon the kids' funds are paying the bill for this directly?
Just came across this article online and wanted to share regarding how Collin is doing in the aftermath of the custody hearing:
"He’s happy and he has the light back in his eyes again. He’s in great health,” the source explains.
Not sure how reputable is the source, but if true, that's fantastic! It sounded like he was pretty down prior to the hearing and Jon tried to keep up his spirits up. (See below for entire article).
Even when Colin was still at home years ago, Hannah, Leah, Aaden and Joel always went to visit Jon. Now the boys and Leah don't go?! Kate really must have laid down the law and frightened them if they are no longer going. I hope Jon doesn't let this go. The boys are so easy going I can't imagine this was their decision.
LisaNH (#82), if Ratclaws is still around, I would imagine it's because it allows pior Z-lister TFW to continue the illusion that she's still an important celebrity in need of protection. And if he's not repulsed by her behavior and the way she's thrown a stick of dynamite into her children's relationships with their dad and each other, then he's just as miserable a person as she is.
(83) FlimsyFlamsy said... LisaNH (#82), if Ratclaws is still around, I would imagine it's because it allows pior Z-lister TFW to continue the illusion that she's still an important celebrity in need of protection. And if he's not repulsed by her behavior and the way she's thrown a stick of dynamite into her children's relationships with their dad and each other, then he's just as miserable a person as she is. ********************* I couldn't agree with you more. I always got that kind of vibe from him, that he could be the male version of Kate, very self absorbed and self centered.
Yes, it is odd that Aaden, Collin, and Leah visited Jon for so many years and suddenly stopped. And the fact that their last visit was so tense. I think Kate convinced them of something that really upset and scared them. My theory is that she told them they will lose everything (house, school, college) because Jon refused to sign for them to film. She has probably used the threat of losing everything they have as an incentive to get them to film all along. And if those are the consequences, I'm sure they were willing to do it. Now, of course, Kate can keep them willing to film and turn them against Jon at the same time. "We're going to lose your house and you'll have to leave your school because Jon won't let you film with me. And you can forget about college. It's all Jon's fault" Of course, she's not broke but the kids don't know that. Remember the "source" who told People that Kate's money was running out? That was a year ago. And yet she's still in that money suck of a house, she was able to pay for another year of private school, and she's spending on a lawyer to try to get a 6-figure sum out of money out of Jon (who doesn't have the money to pay it even if she did win, so why bother?). Al those things take a lot of money, so she was nowhere near broke then. Liar, liar, pants on fire, Kate!
I wonder how much of a hand TLC had in encouraging parental alienation as a way to browbeat Jon into approving continued filming.
I wish a high powered lawyer would sue the heck out of TLC.
Just another note on Hannah and Collin....they were Kate's work horses if I remember correctly. Always trying to please the witch but never able to....
As for how well these kids are adapting, who knows what kind of relationship issues they will have as adults because of Kate. Fathers are important.
@Anonymous Back when the show was popular and Jon wanted to cancel the show,i do believe TLC probably did encouraged parental alienation.Someone here can correct me if im wrong but i seem to recall in robert's book that TLC knew about the abuse but did nothing about it.I did hear that some film crew left the filming because of how she treated the kids.However apart of me doubts TLC had anything to do with the 4 now not seeing jon.If they did then this company is the most corrupted T.V channels that i've seen.Why they're still trying to cling to this family to the point of destroying relationships despite the fact that kate doesn't even hold millions of viewers anymore is beyond me.
BTW i did some digging and found that this is the last photo Jon uploaded on his IG with the 4 tups.This was on new years of JAN 2017 so between that moment to now is when something happen that caused the other kids to not see Jon.The last Kate plus 8 episode that aired was on july 24th 2017 and there's been nothing since then apart from this dating show which doesn't seem to be coming any time soon.Apart of me is doubting it had anything to do with jon not signing the kids onto the dating show and if Kate threaten the other kids that they'll lose the house because of Jon not signing them on the show,she's been saying this since the show was 1st cancelled before and they've been seeing jon even after that.So what could of cause them all to suddenly decide not to see Jon. https://www.instagram.com/p/BOtZnVjjJ0D/
Jamesvader1194 - When Hannah had her IG she was doing a live feed and, as someone mentioned above, some of the other tups were there. I remember her saying something to/about them but I don’t remember wat it was. So, they have visited this year. TFW is a tool and we can only hope that once Collin is with Jon the boys will want to visit their brother.
As Admin previously stated, TFW is not just evil, she's a sociopath. She would rather make her children suffer than let them have any relationship with their father or with each other. What a pathetic sad sack. And yet people continually defend her and her emotional abuse. She & pathetic Skeeve can go eat cold pizza on her K8+Fake Date show, if it ever sees the light of day.
Jon said the last time he saw the tups together (except Collin, of course) was a year ago. He has mentioned that Alexis doesn't visit any longer, but the others may have visited more recently. Jon seems to have gotten custody of Hannah in February, and Kate sued him for back child support in March. The dating show was announced in April, and about that time Jon said the kids would not be filming if he could help it. So all of this happened in a very short time span. Jon getting custody of Hannah meant Kate couldn't film her. Typical Kate, she was out for revenge and filed the lawsuit. When Jon refused to sign for the other kids to be filmed, she sought revenge by alienating the other kids. Maybe she thought they would wear Jon down and he'd cave in and sign. That apparently didn't happen. That would explain the estrangement from the 4 tups living with Kate, and also the delay in the dating show filming/airing.
I think Kate and TLC believed Jon would never get custody of Hannah, and they'd just ignore his wishes and film the kids with or without his permission. Jon getting custody showed a shift in how the court was handling this case. Kate always won, but now that changed. They didn't dare go ahead and film the kids without his permission if there might be repercussions.
Looking back on that smirking interview Kate gave (talking about how she knew where C was but the world doesn't), she said she's less focused on what Jon has to say and she doesn't really pay attention to what he says. She thought she could continue to do what she wanted as far as the kids were concerned and there was nothing he could do about it. Boy, was she ever wrong.
I don’t think Jon had to sign the work permits unto now. I think Kate had full legal custody of the kids until Jon got custody of Hannah. Katevwoukd not have been able to banish Collin without Jon’s knowledge unless he had no legal custody.
Now, Jon has full legal custody of Hannah and Collin. He has a say about Hannah and Collin filming. He said no and I think that’s great. The children deserve privacy and a freedom of being responsibility from the family income.
Layla (#92), and I also remember a few years ago TFW saying something like, I don't understand why Jon even gets to have a say in anything regarding the kids. She considered them hers and hers alone. What a sicko.
Layla said... 92 . . . I think Kate and TLC believed Jon would never get custody of Hannah, and they'd just ignore his wishes and film the kids with or without his permission. Jon getting custody showed a shift in how the court was handling this case. _____
I think the difference in the outcome here has everything to do with TLC. I think they are no longer willing to fund Kate's lawsuits in order to make the tups film, and I think that has everything to do with their clear understanding that K8 can't carry a show. Why would they invest in something that is unlikely to be anywhere close to a home run? The writing is on the wall: The Gosselin "brand" is dead.
It seems to me that someone over there has finally wised up: Funding K8's lawsuits against Jon is not just a PR mega-fail, it's a losing proposition in terms of outlay vs revenue. By not backing her courtroom efforts to force the children to film, they're able to slowly but surely divorce themselves from her, which I think they've wanted to do for at least the last two years of dreadful ratings. I am sure their contract with her gives them an out if she can't deliver anything watchable. And I think it's pretty clear that she can't. Let them air one or two episodes of K8 + D8 + PurseBoy if they need to in order to fulfill whatever obligation they may still have toward her. They've got nothing but time and a very deep bench of shitty shows--without K8's sort of baggage--in their pipeline.
@Layla Trust me,i believe Kate did say that but my problem is how Aaden,joel and leah were convince by it when Kate has used the fear of losing the house,vactions,show and everything since the show was first cancelled but that didn't stop the 3 of them from visiting Jon before this.Now that they're older they suddenly buy into that lie now?I honestly do believe NJGal51 and think that when Aaden and joel will hear about Collin being with Jon then they may decide to go see him.Unless,there's something we don't know and they decide to not want to see Collin.
Sad but true (#92), great points about TLC. TFW has acted for years like she believes they truly love her and her children. But of course they don't. They are as ruthless, mercenary, transactional, and what-can-you-do-for-me as she is. For years, she's kicked friends, and even flesh-and-blood family members to the curb, and probably never suspected she herself could be the kickee. Could it be that TLC finally realized she doesn't know how to help them?
jamesvader1194 I think it's because Jon has never been able to prevent Kate from filming the kids. He apparently has been able to do that now, and I absolutely believe she made sure the kids know it's all Jon's fault. She's nothing without the kids, and she knows it. She needs them to film. She always attacks when she doesn't get her way, and this is the first time he has successfully prevented her from getting her way. She will make him pay, and if (as it appears) the court is backing him up, then she'll use the kids to hurt him.
Andrea (94) I agree, Jon getting custody of Hannah and Collin stopped any hopes Kate had of filming them. He can say no and there's nothing she can do about it. The show (and Kate and TLC) took a big hit when Collin left, and with Hannah MIA too--well, that's not going to go unnoticed. The backlash will double, and TLC doesn't want to deal with that. They have had too many PR disasters lately, they don't want any more. They chose to stop filming the last season after only 3 episodes, and right about the time the battle over Hannah became public. Coincidence? I think not.
I wonder if there is some change in Jon's ability to stop the other kids from filming. Kate forced Collin to film when it was obviously not in his best interests. She forced Hannah to film while she was having one of her stress headaches (and dismissed it as "just a Hannah thing"--not that's cold). She obviously cannot be trusted to do what's in the kids' best interests when it comes to filming. Did the GAL/judge decide that Jon needed to have a say? At least he appears to have the kids' well-being in mind and is not financially motivated to force them to film.
Just throwing this out there, but--does anyone else suspect that the new casting for the dating show (which has apparently already been filming for months) has something to do with Jon's refusal to sign for the kids to film? I wonder if they went ahead and filmed with the kids, and then realized they could face trouble for doing that if Jon has to sign for it. Do they have to re-film things, or maybe fill in the footage that they can't air with the kids? I'm thinking they'd want to kids to meet the men their mother would be dating, give couch interviews about them, maybe "help" Kate decide which one "wins". Maybe not, but it's really strange that the show was supposed to air in the fall and they're still casting in November.
Layla (#100), yeah, not having the kids involved could seriously impact filming the dating show. For years, TFW insisted it was the KIDS who wanted her to date. And she repeatedly expressed wanting a relationship only in terms of having a parenting partner. Remember she said she needed a guy to be like a cop to control the kids?
I know lots of people thought it was good news that TFW was doing a dating show because it wouldn't involve the kids. But I always thought their participation -- meeting the prospective dad, er, I mean, date, etc. -- would be necessary to get this turkey off the ground.
I know lots of people thought it was good news that TFW was doing a dating show because it wouldn't involve the kids. But I always thought their participation -- meeting the prospective dad, er, I mean, date, etc. -- would be necessary to get this turkey off the ground.
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If I were an executive sitting around noodling over this show, I would be thinking, the kids HAVE to be in it. They just have to. The whole idea of Kate dating is only half the show, the other half is how her kids react to it.
I'd throw such a show in the trash if the kids weren't on it. Period.
Jon quote in a recent AOL interview: https://www.aol.com/article/entertainment/2018/12/14/jon-gosselin-talks-possibly-remarrying/23617500/ this isn't really normal for us," he noted. "But it's good, you know, to travel and get to see different things. It's like reliving my past but with someone I really love and care about. So, it's nice to enjoy that." I dont think TFW will receive well that comment. Nan
Still no word from the queen? This is the longest time she has not posted something to 'set the record straight' in forever.... this is bizarre! Maybe she broke her phone in anger? I worry about the kids she has left.
I know...she would normally be posting the photos of piles of the baked goods for teachers and sanitation workers by now or the zillions of gifts she has to wrap and the half-decorated/lit tree...
"But it's good, you know, to travel and get to see different things. It's like reliving my past but with someone I really love and care about. So, it's nice to enjoy that." I dont think TFW will receive well that comment. Nan
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This is so funny. For years she had the upper hand with custody and with all the snide nasty remarks.
Now the tides have turned and now he's the one making the little digs. What ya gonna do about it TFW???? 😂😂
If I were an executive sitting around noodling over this show, I would be thinking, the kids HAVE to be in it. hey just have to. The whole idea of Kate dating is only half the show, the other half is how her kids react to it.
******************* Kate has never been able to carry anything on her own. She's just nasty and lazy and boring too, and that is what shines through without the kids to soften the overall effect. Jon did that when he was there, and the show never did as well without him. Kate did DWTS and came across as nothing more than lazy and nasty. She didn't last long. On Celeb Apprentice she kept her freak-outs under control and then was probably the least interesting person there. She didn't last long. Are they going to allow her freak-outs when she's on these dates? Without her melt-downs she has no personality. Viewers will be lured into boredom-induced comas. They need the kids to make it interesting.
Kate won't set the record straight on IG unless that is her last option. She wants to do it on TV, with her hair and makeup done and a sympathetic interviewer asking pre-approved questions. She's not popular enough to get that now. Her last smirking interview really did her in. It showed the ugliness in her soul for the world to see. I'd be surprised if the judge in the custody case didn't see that and realize what a vicious parental alienator she really is. Smirking about how she has kept C's whereabouts from Jon, and saying she doesn't listen to what Jon has to say. We all knew she was hateful and working hard to keep Jon from the kids, but putting it out there in an interview for everyone to see was such a stupid mistake. She can't deny any of it because Jon's lawyer can produce the video as evidence. And she did it to herself! Hahahahaha!!!!
Since she hasn't posted in quite a while, and I doubt anything film wise will be on the horizon any time soon or ever I have to wonder what sh's going to you know actually DO now. Aside from living off what she made from reality television her kids are all teenagers or young adults...I see a lonely future ahead for her. Which is sad but brought on by herself. I don't know how exactly with all this going on HOW she would set the record straight at least not without creating more speculation at the very least.
I am waiting for the day that 1) She is forced to submit to an audit, 2) she has to sell the house, although I think she owes more than she can sell it for, 3) she declares bankruptcy, 4) she is forced to get a real mediocre job, if anyone would hire her, and 5) more kids defect to Jon.... all those things are coming, I am sure. She CANNOT have much money left to sustain private school tuition for 4 kids for 4 more years, plus college tuition....they did not make that much all those years ago ..... and if the date farce ever shows, I will eat my hat. Not gonna happen, not never! LOL
(Long ago poster & Baby Mama pest) I tend to think that the remaining tups have learned their lesson about arguing about most anything with Kate, especially about visiting their own father.
She literally made Collin disappear right in front of their own eyes. Do you not think she has threatened the same to the rest of them? Imagine that as a 12 year old. Having a parent who has already made one of your siblings disappear from the home & the entire family. What would that do to them? Did Kate worry about that? No, that's not Kate. That was a new tool in her toolbox. "See what I can do if you don't behave?" Probably not said, but I'm sure she got the point across.
I'm quite sure the other kids have been severely traumatized by this experience & have nowhere to turn for help.
I'm quite sure the other kids have been severely traumatized by this experience & have nowhere to turn for help. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I agree with you, but what about the GAL- if we know this or suspect, wouldn't this person be aware? Or are the kids too frightened to speak? So tragic.
Jon and Kate made almost $2M one year (2008, I think) and that is the only year they made that much. '08-'09 were their peak earning years. It's hard to imagine Kate has a lot left after the divorce and endless custody battles, years of unemployment, and only 3 episodes airing in the last 2 years, but who knows? The stock market was so strong for years, and if she invested well, that might have sustained her and the kids, but that period is over for now. She won't sell the house unless she is absolutely destitute. The house separates her from the "mediocre" people. Plus, it is partially owned by the kids' trust, although she is able to revoke that trust and keep any money she makes from the sale for herself. And she would do that in a heartbeat. But...then what? Does she still think she'll be filming 'til she's "old and grey" (as she said in her diary)? Fat chance.
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The GAL might only be for Hannah since she was the one who was asking for a change in custody, but we don't really know. The others might have to speak up and request a change in custody before they are appointed one. And then they're stuck at home with an angry Kate until custody is decided. If they don't speak up, then can we blame them? Their mother will make their lives a living hell and they know it.
I do wonder how the rest of the tups will react to seeing Collin in a safe and loving home. Will that help them see through their mothers lies? Can Hannah help them see that Jon is the reason Collin is coming home?
ROL is reporting Collin is coming home in a couple of days! Merry Christmas, Collin! No more holidays away from your loved ones. This will be one Christmas he, Hannah and Jon will never forget!
Troubled Collin, 14, 'will be home with his dad for good,' source claims. By Mary Jacob Posted on Dec 17, 2018 @ 13:07PM
After more than two years in treatment for his special needs, Jon‘s son Collin will be released this week and placed in his father’s care, RadarOnline.com can exclusively report.
“He is expected to be released December 18 or 19,” a source close to the family told Radar. “Collin will transition out of the facility, and will finally be home with his dad for good.”
Layla: Wouldn't a GAL for Hannah hear of the horrors of all the kids' lives and be bound to act? I don't know how all this works but how could knowledge of their treatment go unchecked? You're right, though- there is much we don't know about this dysfunctional family.
Hard to say. The GAL appeared as part of the custody battle over Hannah, and was there to represent Hannah. We don't know that this person was given access to the other kids, especially since the others weren't asking for a change in custody. I tend to think the GAL only had the authority to stand up for Hannah.
Isn't it interesting that Kate lost custody of the two kids who were recently negatively affected by filming? It was not in C's best interests to film, as filming overstimulated him--but Kate forced him to film anyway. Hannah had stress headaches and was still forced to film through it. Definitely not in her best interests. Kate's all-consuming lust for filming cost her two of her kids, but I bet she still doesn't see that. Would it have killed her to make the kids' well-being the priority over filming them? No, not at all. But she didn't, and it's not because she didn't realize it. She explained away Hannah's stress headache as "just a Hannah thing" so she knew how bad it looked to drag her out in public and force her to film when Hannah was in pain. But filming was more important. That is one cold, uncaring mother. She certainly lost her way a long time ago, and she lost her ability to prioritize her kids' well-being. No motherly protective instincts at all.
Layla, that's true. She also made Joel go shopping for luggage when he had a stomach ache or back pain, and of course Collin and the constipation. Her need to shop overrides her kids' comfort. Need to film, really- look at the vomitfest on the boat episode!
The vomit fest was beyond belief. She actually seemed really excited when she was talking about it. And then, not content with torturing them once, she dragged them out deep sea fishing again in Florida. So many different things over the years. Leaving her very sick children with Jodie to go get Jon's hair plugs was also unbelievable. Or is to any other mother on the planet.
Layla: Wouldn't a GAL for Hannah hear of the horrors of all the kids' lives and be bound to act?
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It's complicated, but only in extreme situations would GALs really get involved with siblings.
They're not mandatory reporters in ANY jurisdiction, child abuse reporting is left to people like social workers. That's because children need to feel trust in their GAL that they will not run and tattle everything they say. Children need to feel like they have confidentiality with this person so they will be forthcoming with them and then the GAL can best advocate for their interest. And like I said I think she only represents Hannah and possibly Collin, so she would really only be hearing second hand what else is going on in that house.
I would only report things to the judge with my client's full permission and it could be hard to get that, and my duty was to the child not to other kids even siblings, so the focus is on that, avoiding the distraction of worrying about other kids you don't represent and have never talked to. There's a dozen ways to protect the child without directly reporting things to the judge, so don't get the impression GALs stand idly by. That's not what I'm saying.
I recently rewatched the episode where all the kids made Kate breakfast for a supposed mother’s day surprise. Kate said the kids were upset in the past when Mother’s Day would fall on their birthday. What normal kid would actually say that? Kids are normally self centered in nature and probably don’t give two figs about celebrating Mother’s Day. At the end of the show, the kids bring out the food. Kate eats and she gets massages from one of the girls. TLC tries their best by playing sentimental music in the background, to make it seem like this was a tender moment between all of them. Instead of Kate playing along with TLC, Kate speaks ad nauseum about how great that the kids aren’t fighting, but are sitting calmly “for once” The positive person that I am tries to see the good in people. But there was ZERO tenderness and affection from her. Ice runs through her veins
They're not mandatory reporters in ANY jurisdiction, **************** This is not true. They are mandated reporters in some states.
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Not if they are attorneys, and this one is. You can't compel an attorney to disclose attorney client privilege, it's a violation of ethics. I should have said GALs who are attorneys. I'm used to that being a given since all GALs in CA family court are attorneys. Even if a state makes them mandatory reporters, they have carve outs saying unless it would violate attorney client privilege. Which in my view takes away the whole "mandatory" aspect of it.
Anyone know if they're still officially filming this train wreck or has that actually ended? I just hadn't heard of any official announcement TLC wise I guess because Kate probably wouldn't want to announce that. The nauseousness of her claiming the kids love filming really doesn't square now with Hannah having moved to Jon's and such. I can't see TLC filming with just 4 kids. People have 4 kids all the time.
Radar is reporting, "Jana Duggar's Rumored Boyfriend Caleb Williams Pleads Not Guilty To Sex Abuse Crimes". Also, "He was ordered to have 'no contact' with minors."
I am skeptical of the Janna Duggar rumor. First, because the Duggar’s don’t date. They court and the men have to fill out a 50 page questionnaire before they get Jim Bobs approval. The courtship is announced the moment it’s approved. Second, people keep speculating about Jana dating every time they see her in a picture with non family members.
George H W Bush was a very humble man. It is a shame that he was accused of things by the MeToo movement. He did many things from his heart that he never made public.
How’s This For A Gift? Jon Gosselin Gets To Spend Christmas With Hannah And Collin Dec 19, 2018 11:31 am
Home for the holidays! Jon Gosselin is going all out this year after being awarded temporary sole custody of his 14-year-old son, Collin. According to the father, it’s his first major holiday with any of his kids in a while — and he couldn’t be more excited to celebrate. Of course, he’ll be missing his six other kids, but having Collin around now that he’s been released from his treatment center, plus his sister Hannah, is at least a pretty good start.
“I never had major holidays with my kids,” the former Jon & Kate Plus 8 star told Life & Style Magazine at WE tv’s Real Love: Relationship Reality TV’s Past, Present & Future panel on Dec. 11 in LA. “I always shared it with Kate and got them after the fact.”
But that all changed when Jon, 41, filed for full custody of Collin after Kate Gosselin, 43, sent him away to live in a facility for kids with special needs in 2015. The mother-of-eight has had primary custody of the couple’s twins and sextuplets since their nasty 2009 split, but Jon has been scoring some major wins lately. Earlier this year, he shared on Instagram that Hannah “permanently lives” with him, hinting that he has full custody of his daughter. And on Dec. 4, a judge ruled in his favor when it came to temporary custody of Collin.
“We’re trying to create new traditions that are ours,” reveals Jon about how he and two of his 14-year-old sextuplets are spending the holidays. “We started with the tree. The kids are doing their lists on Giftster. But it’s different for Collin because he really hasn’t asked for stuff in a couple of years. He says, ‘I don’t know what a 14-year-old boy wants.'”
One thing the father-of-eight would like for Christmas, though? A reconciliation with the rest of his children. “There is no co-parenting with Kate,” Jon admits about his tumultuous relationship with his ex. “It’s Hannah and Collin at my house and the rest at hers.” He’s also trying to respect his kids’ boundaries while still letting them know he loves them. “It’s hard to reach out to people that don’t want to talk to you,” Jon says. “If I knew they wanted to talk to me, then I’d be reaching out more!”
The kids are doing their lists on Giftster. But it’s different for Collin because he really hasn’t asked for stuff in a couple of years. He says, ‘I don’t know what a 14-year-old boy wants.'”
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This is HEARTBREAKING!
Why didn't Kate say to her boy, hey son, I love you, what do you want for Christmas? Your birthday?
Did she not even give this child gifts during his incarceration?
I doubt Kate sent Collin any gift or care package a normal parent would have the whole 2+ years. She even cut their one visit short. I wonder if she will contact him once he is out of the facility ? And what does it mean that none of the kids want to speak to Jon? Something is terribly wrong. I hope Jon keep trying.
At some point, the other kids will have to see Collin. Jon has pointed out they still keep in contact with Hannah. Will it be awkward and uncomfortable to be reunited with him after so long or will it be one big joyous reunion? Obviously, I hope it's the latter, but they haven't seen each other in years, as far as we know. Something tells me Mady won't be posting a sweet "8/8 reunion" pic on IG.
Collin was basically cut off from the world. That facility supposedly did not allow him access to TV/internet. No wonder he didn't know what he wanted for a gift. Poor kid.
In my not so humble opinion, the wrong person was sent to the treatment facility. I have no other explanation for K8 anymore. Just shaking my head.
I didn’t want to be right. EVERYONE here didn’t want to be right. Because that would mean that Collin was in such despair. Going thru exactly the anguish/ rejection that no child should ever feel. I have never felt such disgust for any human than I have for khate. But I thought she would know better.. I thought Tlc would know better. That Deanna /Jamie/ a camera person.. A TEACHER.... would know better. They ALL let this child down. Left him in a facility for YEARS! Not one single person in Kate’s circle questioned this move.. it makes me sick & also wonder what MONEY does to ppl. THEY WERE ALL profiting from Collin/plus other kids for years. Finally Hannah had enough & escaped. Collin deserves to be with the only 2 people who cared about him as a PERSON who unconditionally love him. I wish I was proven wrong.. years & years of my / your gut feelings were proven right... from AFAR no less. All the others up close DID ZIPPO. I really feel such joy that Collin & Hannah will now 14 years later will now have a beautiful life. ADMIN: sorry to post anonymous... I have mad respect for all who post here. Merry Christmas to all of you & your loved ones.
Kate used to make a big deal of giving Xmas presents to the kids while they were filming. But she won't give gifts to people who are of no use to her reality "career". Poor Collin. But Kate's never seemed to know what her kids liked especially the boys. I always thought gifts from her were bribes to go along with her.
It sounds like Collin was isolated from the outside world and not allowed to develop personal interests. I am happy that he is home with Jon and Hannah now.
Wow. I never considered how Collin would feel towards his other siblings when/if they all visit him now that he's with Jon and Hanna. Would he feel empathy for knowing what it was really like at "home"? Or would he feel abandonment just as his birth mother has clearly shown? I'm hoping it's the former and not the latter.
I wonder if Kate will post her usual pile of bribery gifts for the remaining 6? I highly doubt H and C will receive any special deliveries for Xmas from Kate going forward. Just speculation, but I think the twins are materialistic and superficial,like Kate. They may look down on the fact that Jon doesn’t live in a McMansion and the fact that he seems ok with being an average Joe. Mady more so. She seems to bwlieve she’s the new Kardashian’. And I’m sure Kate keeps bribing them ( and probably the rest of them) with expensive gifts.. Kate once said “we have never felt the need to wear design clothing. Yet all the remains kids who live with Kate have been wearing Under Armour, Nike, and Michael Kors. Liar liar
You're right, Kate said in her interview with Bethenny that they don't wear the latest brands. But that, of course, is a lie. It's always been Gymboree, Peace, Love, World, Nike, UA, etc. The one episode of K+8 I have watched was when Kate took Mady and Cara boutique shopping. I have been to a couple of the shops they went to(with my niece), and those places are expensive! You can't get a t-shirt for less than $100 or a pair of jeans for under $200. They each got large piles of clothes, and Mady picked out a pair of Golden Goose high-tops that cost around $600. Kate kept encouraging them to get more, and she got a lot for herself, too. That one shopping trip cost thousands. But she always criticized the choices Collin made when shopping. Whether it was the shirt and tie he picked out, or the mother and baby bear he bought her--it was always wrong according to her. Then he was locked away in that facility for almost 3 years. No wonder he doesn't know what to get. I'm happy thinking of C doing all the fun things Jon does with Hannah. Just going out for a special birthday breakfast or for ice dream or tacos would be such fun for him. And he'll get to have birthdays and Christmas again. Thank God for Jon! Collin would have been a throw-away child without him.
I think that the last year that Collin was at home, and being abused so badly, he did lash out at the other kids. The last couple of talking heads he did with his brothers, they both sat squished at one end of the love seat as far away from him as they could get. Maybe a relationship between him and the others is something that will have to be slowly built up again once they see he can be trusted not to attack them now. He and Hannah always seemed get get along okay for some reason..maybe she tried to stick up for him against Kate the whole time?
I didn't notice that, just that Collin seemed so drugged. I never really noticed any problems among the boys. I would have to re-watch and have no plans for that. Aren't most episodes unavailable on YouTube anyway?
Kate said Collin and Hannah did not get along. I think maybe this was because the two were the strongest of the tups and maybe rebelled against Kate. However Hannah did tell of Collin's abuse IIRC. I think they will get along well now. You could be right that H stood up for C and lost her Golden Child status.
Collin was only 11 when he was sent away. Kids that age fight, hit, push all the time, that's nothing unusual. I tend to think Kate sent him away because he got in the way of filming. Anyone who interrupts filming has got to go--she threw away friends, family, and her marriage for just that reason. Is it so hard to imagine she'd do the same to a child? This is not a normal mother who wants to protect her child's best interests, this is Kate. "Stand with me or stand against me", and if it was recommended that he not film--then he's standing against her. Time to go.
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Kate said C and H didn't get along, but Hannah really came through for Collin. She was always described as the leader of the tups, and as such, she looked out for Collin when nobody else would. She was the one who raised concerns with Jon about how C was being treated, long before C was sent away. She's the one who went to visit him with Jon, and she's the one looking forward to bringing him home and giving him a loving and stable environment in which to grow. And she sure doesn't seem afraid of him at all, which tells you a lot.
Layla, I just remember H and L being kind of nasty to both Collin and Alexis. But yes, she has matured into a caring sister who looked out for C's best interest. The childhood rivalry or whatever the issue, is in the past. Yes, siblings may squabble but usually do love one another- maybe Mady excluded from this statement!
@Formerly Duped I think maybe back then they didn't get along but im sure that both Hannah and Collin do love each other.The problem here is that we only saw scenes like collin getting into trouble for calling hannah ugly.I can't remember a scene where it shows the two of them bonding.I will admit that out of curiosity i wanted to see some episodes to see what people on here were referring to because i haven't watch the show in years but like you said,i can't find any website that features it without paying for it or virus websites which is annoying.
In a "he said, she said" between TFW and C, I'd believe him over her in a heartbeat. I wouldn't put it past her to have made something up to help get him out of the house. And then go to 10 specialists before finding the one who would recommend outpatient care. Remember how she was positively giddy when he left? That wasn't mother torn up about having to send her son away. She was THRILLED that he was gone. How else would you explain her raving about the tups' "best birthday ever" when one of them wasn't even there?
There is one clip on YouTube called Abracadabra where the boys put on a magic show and the girls heckle them and throw chocolate coins at them. The three boys seem fine all together and in the couch interview. Collin was fully participating. But you could see how nasty the siblings are to one another or a group against a group of them.
I would also believe Collin over Kate any time. Nobody who knows about the situation has said he was violent and that's why he was sent away, and nobody has actually said he was troubled except Kate. It is possible that filming overstimulated him, and she tried to correct that by medicating him (resulting in that vacant, lethargic look he had). When that didn't work, she decided he had special needs (those "special needs: meaning "can't be filmed") and sent him off so somebody could fix him. And completely put him out of her mind. Even in her pre-scripted monologues about Collin, from what has been reported, she never said she missed him. Just that they are always aware that he's not there. Well, duh. The only ones who seemed to miss him were viewers. And Jon. And she was vile enough to hide his whereabouts from the only support system he had left. Evil.
I don't think there was anything wrong with him other than being bothered by filming. That's why Kate said there was a "fairly fluid diagnosis" as to what was wrong. A child is not going to be removed from his family and institutionalized without a definitive diagnosis. Insurance certainly won't pay for it without a diagnosis. She found some kind of boarding-type school she could send him to far away from her and probably had to pay for it herself, although it would be worth it to her to be able to film without him. I doubt she will ever willingly see him again. If he can't help her stay on TV, he is of no use to her.
Mady doesn't understand if it weren't for the tups she wouldn't have a private school, big house, boutique clothes, trips, and awn and awn. Even when they were small she would be hitting and kicking them. Nothing was ever said to her about this. She would slam doors on her mother and the little kids. I hope she figures out that isn't a good way to live or treat others.
You're right, Kate said in her interview with Bethenny that they don't wear the latest brands. But that, of course, is a lie. It's always been Gymboree, Peace, Love, World, Nike, UA, etc. The one episode of K+8 I have watched was when Kate took Mady and Cara boutique shopping. I have been to a couple of the shops they went to(with my niece), and those places are expensive! You can't get a t-shirt for less than $100 or a pair of jeans for under $200. They each got large piles of clothes, and Mady picked out a pair of Golden Goose high-tops that cost around $600. Kate kept encouraging them to get more, and she got a lot for herself, too. That one shopping trip cost thousands.
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Layla, I've only seen parts of episodes here and there over the years, and I've never seen that one. But, based on what we know about TFW, I don't for one minute think she paid for a single item on that shopping trip. If it was filmed for an episode, TLC paid for it. It's just like the many Party City trips she used to do for episodes. She didn't care what she was spending, because it was all on TLC's dime.
Formerly Duped (#153), I bet TFW relished showing chaos and division in her house. Instead of being embarrassed by it, I think she was happy to let the world feel sorry for her having to put up with all that ALONE (RIP, Jon).
I wonder if K8 insists that all the kids call her "mommy" instead of "mom" even when the twins were 16 and the tups were 13. I know that it's dependent on the individual family, but it just reminded me of the movie "Mommie, Dearest" where Tina continues to address her adoptive mother as "mommie" even when she's an adult. It's that control thing again, I bet.
Admin, I was looking over the old posts and just wanted to say that you exercised extreme professionalism and self-control when that boob Steve (aka Ratclaws) physically ushered you away from K8's book signing. Wondered what he would have done if he knew you were a lawyer!
Admin, I was looking over the old posts and just wanted to say that you exercised extreme professionalism and self-control when that boob Steve (aka Ratclaws) physically ushered you away from K8's book signing. Wondered what he would have done if he knew you were a lawyer!
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Run off to that broom closet where Kate was hiding earlier and cry?
I think the best part of that whole thing was when I reported that literally nobody was there, and the sheeple said I was lying, and then months later when the episode aired Kate was indeed crying because nobody was there. So, I told the truth, per Kate.
I watched that episode specifically because I have shopped at those places, and was shocked at the amount of stuff they got, knowing what those things cost. Kate was gushing over a leather tote bag, and an aunt who watched that season said she was carrying that tote in the date episode. Probably a $350-400 tote bag. So the sky was the limit for that shopping trip, yet at the beginning of the episode she took the tups to what looked like Boscov's and was nickel-and-diming everything. She didn't want to buy water bottles for the kids, refused to get something for Alexis even though Leah got something (Kate said she didn't care about being fair because "being fair wastes money"), and immediately asked if the shoes Mady wanted were on sale or if there were any coupons she should know about. And then, in the same episode, she's splashing out on high-ticket items for herself and the twins. The store name on the Boscov's bags was blurred out so I'm guessing she had to pay for that trip, while the boutique stuff was grifted. Even when M&C were tired of shopping and didn't want to look any more, she was pressuring them to get more and more. Good grief, what a greedy pig she is.
It's a shame that he felt it was acceptable to grope women. It seems that he was a kind man in many regards, but that doesn't absolve him of responsibility for inappropriate behavior.
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What part don't you understand about the man being senile? Long before this ever came to light George W. wrote in his dad's biography his father is so senile he has no clue what is going on anymore.
It's really sad you still want to trash him for that. The story died as quickly as it started because everybody else has a heart.
Even when M&C were tired of shopping and didn't want to look any more, she was pressuring them to get more and more. Good grief, what a greedy pig she is.
************* Sustained. That's what happens when someone leads an empty and unfulfilling life, at least judging from K8's need for material things and treating her own children like possessions rather than individuals. People like that tend to fill that emptiness with material possessions rather than the things what will last. It's now all about HER unfilled desires, HER needs, and HER ambitions. Her marriage and children were simply casualties along the way.
Has anyone else noticed that none of the recent stories about the Gosselins mentions the dating show? Not even People. They always had a blurb near the end of each story about it, but not anymore. Maybe that's because fall is officially over and it'd be ridiculous to claim it's airing in the fall, but you'd think they'd at least say it was upcoming. But there's nothing, at least not the most recent stories.
I have been thinking about Collins Christmas list. He said that he did not know what 14 year old boys liked. I wonder if he is afraid of being judged by his gift list. Kate was so mean he gave her the bear gift. I expect things were worse off camera.
Andrea (#164), great point. When you've been marginalized your whole life like C has been -- culminating in actually being removed from your home and family -- your sense of self worth must be either shredded or nonexistent. Jon will now have to help C rebuild it. I hope and pray C will come out the other end a strong, sane young man.
Argh! That mama+baby bear gift incident still makes me cringe. K8 has about as much awareness of other people's feelings as a tree stump. It's no wonder there's been nothing mentioned recently about her Fake Date show. I truly hope TLC has put the kibosh on that train wreck.
Sent a question to TLC... will they answer?!
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Here's a funny: I just send a question thru the 'contact us' at TLC asking them if kart's show is actually still a go or has it been cancelled? Expressed some concern that she has lost custody of two of her kids and the twins are over 18 and cannot be forced to film. The funny: lets see if they actually have the balls to answer me!!! Stand by, I will report back.... wanna take bets? Will they answer, will they be vague, will they say yes or no?
Sent a Question (167) They'll give you the PC answer and say it's still a go. Until they announce a cancellation, that will be a party line. They still haven't announced the cancellation of Twist of Kate. I don't know why they're stupid enough to keep trying to sell a show with Kate, but they are and you can't fix stupid.
I hope Collin gets an iPhone for Christmas. Hannah can teach him how to use it (a bonding experience), and he can use it to keep in touch with his other siblings. He's going to have to learn to be like other kids his age and do the things they do, thanks to his evil mother locking him away for so long. But he's home now, he's in a loving environment, and he has a support system cheering him on. Jon would never criticize a thoughtful gift from him, and he won't shame him for dressing nicely. Collin is going to thrive. That makes me happy.
I know Collin deserves privacy and I had hoped the paparazzi wouldn't be sitting outside the treatment centre...but dawg gonnit....I want to know if the guy has been able to go home! I hope he has a calm and amazingly loving Christmas!
Meagler (#169), I share your curiosity about C, and I know we both mean it from a place of caring and concern. That kid has been to hell and back, and deserves a joyful, peaceful Christmas.
Which reminds me of how for years TFW's supporters claimed she was a great mother because she provided her kids with a beautiful home. But I guaran-damn-tee you C would be better off living with his dad in a pup tent in a Walmart parking lot than to ever spend another night under the roof of that beautiful home.
@Layla If TLC is still keeping Kate,then i will say that them keeping her is the most bizarre thing that i've ever seen a tv company do.This show doesn't even give TLC 1 million viewers anymore and with all the stuff that has happen with the Gosselins,i question why TLC keeps her.At least with the duggar girls they draw in a decent amount of viewers.(Not to say that im defending them)With Kate,the dating episode didn't really give them the views that she probably thought they'd give her,so if they continue with this dating show,how would a show centering around her dating get them ratings if one episode didnt do that well?I remember there was a conspiracy around Kate and the duggars that some hater on twitter believed that Kate and even Jim Bob duggar probably has something on TLC if they seriously are keeping these two around.As for me,i don't know whether or not to believe it.
Maybe when that pervert guy..Blanken somehting... was caught filming the Gosselins and others, Kate made some sort of deal with TLC that she wouldn't sue if they continued to film her?
I am among those that think that TLC had contracted to film “X” number of episodes with TFE. Since there were only three in the last “season” TLC still owes her some on her contract. Now, the could pay out her contract but she might refuse that because, more than the money, she loves the fame. If she were to that a buyout she’d just be a #hasbeenbutstillwannabe Z lister from nowhere PA. She wants her mug on TV and she wants her glory days back. She’s ready for her close up TLC.
Winesomeone, you may have hit the nail on the head
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OMG! Winsomeone ----- your post makes total sense!!!!!! I never would have thought of anything like that, but we've always thought 'she must have something on them' if they kept filming a loser like her.... and I mean loser in both 'she is a loser' and 'her show is a money loser' for them....
I wonder if it will ever come out why they kept filming.... it boggles the mind. Perhaps when the kids are old enough to write a book and/or give interviews on their own without her knowing before hand.. she would surely try to stop them legally if she could, oh wait, after a bit she is going to be sooo broke with no money to sue, using her real estate lawyer.... since none others will take her case.... I have to wonder how many years before she sells the house and gets a job at McDs………...
But Blankinship didn't work for TLC. He worked for a company that was subcontracted by Figure 8 to do the editing. I don't think "liability" would go quite far enough up in the chain to reach TLC. The guy never had contact with the kids, as far as we know, just with their images. Jon commented that he thought he might have met him once (which could have been anything), while K8 "never heard of him," or some such blanket denial.
But Blankinship didn't work for TLC. He worked for a company that was subcontracted by Figure 8 to do the editing. I don't think "liability" would go quite far enough up in the chain to reach TLC.
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I think TLC actually could be liable because you usually can sue all the way up the chain under the theory that they're just as responsible for their contractors as they are their regular employees. However, the bigger problem I see is that nothing "happened" to the Gosselin kids that we know of. Sure there was a child pervert working with their footage but there's no evidence he did anything at work. You can't usually really sue because someone MIGHT have done something wrong with your kids. They have to actually do wrong.
Of course, that we know of. I doubt they'd tell us if an internal investigation revealed he was stealing footage or acting inappropriately while working with the footage. Maybe they did find something he did that was inappropriate, and did cut a deal with Kate to let it go. Anything is possible. Although any deal I think is more likely just a simple quiet payoff.
"He's doing really well," Jon shared, adding that Collin will likely have "some adjustment issues, just socialization-wise," with his move to Jon's home in Pennsylvania -- where he lives with his girlfriend of four years, Colleen Conrad, and her children --
Even though Colleen is not Collins biological mother, i feel more than confident she will be loving and respectful of him. And maybe she can become some type of mother figure in his life now.
“but that Collin is "so intuitive and so lovey dovey" that the transition shouldn't present a problem.
Aww! We knew Collin was always a loving and affectionate boy! It’s just repulsive how Kate has always pushed away Collin’s loving and affection that he ever showed towards her. He was never good enough for her! I’m sure that realization will hurt him deeply. But Jon has always recognized and has always put it out there that he is smart, intuitive, and sweet. Unlike Kate, who has had always labeled him as a stubborn handful who always challenged her authority. All the more reason that I’m happy that he’s going home with Jon.
It's also been a long time since I've posted, but I wanted to express how happy I am for Jon's son coming home for Christmas. It's wonderful, and my husband and I loved the pictures of C with Jon and H. Kristine101
Kristine101 (#179), another old time poster! Nice to see you.
Can you imagine how infuriating this all is for TFW? The woman who was arrogant and short-sighted enough to proclaim, "I'm in charge and that's never gonna change?" But possibly even worse for her is that she's also lost control of the narrative. No more loosey-goosey mentions of her son plodding, plugging and chugging along. She hasn't even bothered to deflect with puppy pictures, or posts about endless gift wrapping.
I winder if a publication ban was implimented on Collins return to Jon s to help with the transition. Collin certainly will not transition well if paparazzi are all about.
Can we assume that Collin is home with Jon and Jon is keeping things private right now? I hope so to both questions..... I think in time we will see some Instagram posts. What absolutely floors me is that she has not posted once, not even once about ANYTHING.... She is either gagged, livid or crushed. I vote for the middle one.
I hope Collins first family Christmas in three years is a happy one and he can begin to heal in a normal, mediocre home with people who love him and want him there...
Jon did not immediately announce that Hannah was living with him, so I am going to assume that Collin is home. I think it’s great that he is giving Collin privacy.
Nothing from Kate but that old pic of her dog dyed pink. No huge pile of cinnamon buns, millions of wrapped packages, her huge Christmas tree? Wonder what is causing this silence?
Why are there suddenly so many posts with temporary one time use names like the one I'm using for this comment? Maybe it's me, but I'd appreciate following Rule #1 for posting, (Pick a name and stick to the same name).
I'm not surprised that we've not heard anything regarding her unlimited wrapping, baking and preparations for her Christmas with family (hic) and friends (hic), Jon's getting custody for Hannah and Colin has totally floored her. I think she's finally getting it that she is not totally in control, and the older her kids get, they can finally make their own decisions. I'm glad Colin and Hannah are spending Christmas with Jon. They will be with extended family and friends, something they have never experienced with Kate.
According to this article, Season 6 of K+8 was supposed to include Kate dating, with the kids having to approve potential suitors before she'd date them. I wondered what kind of dating show this was supposed to be. I mean, what is the "hook"? Is it just Kate going on random dates? A rip-off of the Bachelorette? No, it's the kids, just as we already figured. They'd have to approve these men, get to know them, probably have to do couch interviews and provide opinions and feedback. In that case, Jon refusing to sign for the kids to film would stop this show dead in its tracks. It was never going to be a Kate show. Everyone involved knew the kids would have to be part of the deal. Now, with 2 of the kids gone for good and everyone knowing she lost custody of them to Jon (and didn't even bother to fight for one of them), it's pretty much a guaranteed loser if it ever makes its way to TV. If they (TLC/Kate) thought there were a lot of uncomfortable questions about what happened to Collin, just wait 'til they try to pretend that the situation with both C and H doesn't exist. This could get ugly. I hope Jon hangs in there and doesn't allow them to bully him into signing for the remaining kids to film. It's time for the kids to stop carrying Kate. If she wants this, let her do it on her own.
One more thing: when you look up Kate Plus 8 on thefutoncritic.com, the status has always said, "on hiatus or fate to be determined". That's what it said last time I checked a couple months ago. Now the status had been changed to "canceled/ended" I wish I had watched more closely and seen when the status was changed. Was it after C's custody hearing? Earlier? I have no idea, but it changed at some point in the last couple months. Yay! Kate Plus Date is not even listed as a show on there.
According to this, the show was "previously in development". Previously? Not currently? Here's the write-up:
Kate Plus Date (WT) With the sextuplets growing up and the twins thinking about college, it's time for Kate Gosselin to move on to the next stage of her life: Dating. The series gives viewers a fly-on-the-wall look inside the hectic world of dating as a single mom of multiples. In each episode, Kate, who is hesitant to jump into the dating pool but feels the time is finally right, gets paired with a different matchmaker that will hopefully help her find love. From psychics to genetic specialists to royalty matchmakers, Kate is willing to try anything to get the help she needs to find her perfect man. Kate tries to discover love again, and experience dating for the first time in more than 18 years! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Sounds boring and sickening at the same time.
Layla (#192), yeah, that is one creepy description. Good grief, it's bad enough TLC used those kids as lab rats for more than a decade. But for their mother, with her eyes wide open and a bunch of damaged relationships in her wake, to sign on the dotted line to continue her children's exploitation into their teen years is sickening.
Forget the fake McDonald's job claim...what about that desert island she swore she'd move to when the kids got older, and no one cared what they were doing? I hope it's a one-way trip, and she only books one ticket.
“Kate, who is hesitant to jump into the dating pool but feels the time is finally right“ ======== That quote is laughable. TFW has been chomping at the bit to do this for years. The time is right because she’ll be getting paid and getting her mug on TV. TFW will never be able to carry a show on her own and if the kids can’t/don’t film I don’t think it will ever see the light of day.
Thanks Layla...interesting info. Kate appears to be so subdued. But what mother in the world would not be thrilled in her soul that her child is being released from inpatient treatment? Is she really only able to be truly happy when she is filming? That is scary and TLC should see the pathology there.
M. (#196), such a terrific point. TFW claimed she sent her son away so he could be the "best C he could be." Well apparently that goal was met in treatment and he's been released. Where is the joy? The relief? The pride? There is none. Because she hates her ex more than she loves her kids.
So let's get this straight: braces removal rates a party, but the return of a child away for more than 2 years...crickets.
I find it disturbing that Kate and TLC want to have the kids have any part of the date mess. It’s sick to think that they are ok with this. That can not be good for them mentally or emotionally. A revolving door of potential dads is never healthy.
@Layla I always believed in the theory that she was preparing for a dating show to find a jon replacement.The problem here is that i can't see any guy signing up for this,even if the guy wasn't just an actor and really wanted to marry her,not because of the kids since clearly Jon has no problem finding girlfriends.Especially ones that seem to be nice and normal like collen.So what does that say about Kate?
As I wrote above, the status of Kate Plus Date is listed as "previously in development". Not currently, but previously. Development is listed as "ordered to series". No studio information, no crew information. If you type in "Twist of Kate", the information is exactly the same. "Previously in Development", "ordered to series", and no crew or studio information. Twist of Kate never saw the light of day. There are 43 related shows listed, which were all new projects announced by Discovery on April 10, the same time as Kate Plus Date. All but 4 of them have already aired, are airing right now, or have starting dates listed in the next few weeks. I wonder if the remaining 4 shows were abandoned along the way for various reasons. I have never heard of them, never seen ads for them, and there have been no updates on any of them.
Much like Kate Plus Date, Twist of Kate was announced, filming of one episode was observed, and it was never heard of again. Coincidence?
The Futon Critic seems to always have very accurate, up-to-date information on upcoming shows. They were the first ones to announce the 10th birthday special, the first to announce that it was made into a 2-part special, the first to announce new seasons and the number of episodes each season would be.
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«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 400 of 753 Newer› Newest»On the flip side, if they do get some desperate character willing to "date" her he could be so bad an actor that he would make her look bad. .. ya know... no chemistry... oh wait, she makes herself look bad!. Ok, never mind. ha ha
Devi's advocate here.
It is possible she filmed multiple episodes for a "season" of Kate Plus Date with the one guy she was seen with at the escape room. Naturally things wouldn't work out with him in the end and now they are looking for a new patsy to play the love interest for the next go around.
Kate would certainly be more comfortable with just one actor to deal with as opposed to a new guy for every episode. Nothing real about it at all.
I'm not counting her out until we get to the end of January with nothing being aired. The report of the guy saying he was asked to audition in the last month would seem to indicate the show goes on.
On the other hand, I am really glad to see Collin out of the long-term facility and in Jon's care. This will be much better for him in the long run and will give Jon a chance to raise him to be an independent and productive person. While I have no idea why Collin was placed where he was, just looking at the pictures of him with Jon makes me hopeful he can be part of the family again even if it is just with Jon and Hannah for now.
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True, the guy who was asked to audition at the end of November does make it look like the dating show is still a thing. But--at that time the custody issue with Collin hadn't happened. She lost fans/potential viewers with that stunt. It's the ratings that are going to sink her. I have always said--you don't take the least popular character from an already unpopular show and think she's going to be popular on her own. Ratings for K+8 have been dismal for years, and this show will be without the kids, who seemed to be the reason most people tuned into watch in the first place.
Of course, TLC has always seemed to reward Kate's bad behavior. She dragged the twins on TV to trash Jon and they clammed up. She was roundly criticized for that, but that's when TLC brought back her show. It's a weird dynamic--they have cut other people and shows (Josh, Duggar, Honey Boo Boo, that show about the Willis family) when they cross the line, but Kate has a different set of rules entirely. Makes no sense. But this show is going to be an embarrassment for them all, and they deserve it.
I wonder of TLC can go back to the agency that gave them Van the Man or if she burned those bridges too. She is just not date material or even friend material. She would be so exhausting to be a friend to her.
I just checked Jon's Instagram and saw that he posted a pic of him and Colleen yesterday:
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The last interview where she smirked and said “she knew where Collin was but no one else did” (including John) and that she’d lost count of how many times Jon said he was going to take her to court and that she didn’t really care what he thought are all coming back to haunt her. But the worst comment that will hang over her head like a black cloud forever is when she said “I will go to the ends of the earth to do what’s best for my kids”...bitch please! You couldn’t go 10 miles to a court room and just plant your ass in a chair to just give your kid any hope that you care one iota for him. Hopefully Jon’s unconditional love can cover the multitude of your sins against that poor boy.
Has she posted *anything* since Jon got custody?
Wowser (#6), good to see you! Yeah, when it comes to sound bites, TFW is Mother Of The Year. Ends of the earth! Tooth and nail! Golden platters! I breathe for them!
Except she's a narcissist, so it was all bull.
Someone here once said whenever TFW says "my kids" she really means "myself." And if you plug her name in to all those professions of love and loyalty, it actually fits.
So Jon's in CA for some reality TV "event" sponsored by WEtv. I hope he's not about to make a really stupid move. I don't begrudge him the free trip, but still.
https://www.etonline.com/jon-gosselin-excited-to-enjoy-the-holidays-at-home-with-son-collin-exclusive-115633
So Jon's in CA for some reality TV "event" sponsored by WEtv. I hope he's not about to make a really stupid move. I don't begrudge him the free trip, but still.
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I'm sure the terms of this custody mean that Collin cannot appear on TV anymore and instead needs to focus on his stabilization in the family home. I have a very strong feeling that his service providers have been recommending he be off TV for years.
Jon has all along attended little promotion events like this through the years. He seems to get invited to a lot more of them than Kate does. Funny how being the friendly, affable one of the two tends to get you invites.
“Collin has no relationship with his mother & has not spoke to his other siblings in years” well I guess she kate really truly threw him away like garbage.... lots of new articles from Jon’s interviews regarding Collin & their relationship.. what a gift to receive but for the pure love of his dad. So happy Collin with be whole again... (sorry to post annoynomas
“Collin has no relationship with his mother & has not spoke to his other siblings in years” well I guess she kate really truly threw him away like garbage.... lots of new articles from Jon’s interviews regarding Collin & their relationship.. what a gift to receive but for the pure love of his dad. So happy Collin with be whole again... (sorry to post annoynomas
The problem is when you don't visit your child, you will have no relationship with them.
I don't understand her motivations for dumping this precious boy in an institutions and then not supporting him in an institution. As multiple sources have said including mine, she did not visit this boy in treatment. This is why she really did turn a ton of people. They were offended by her not treating him at home in the first place. But to add insult to injury, to truly dump him there and forget about him, is heinous. I don't care if SHE doesn't want to bother with him, do it for HIM, so the kid isn't damaged and needs years of therapy because you abandoned him. She is crueler than I ever thought.
I hope this story goes wide. She deserves it.
https://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-moms/news/jon-gosselin-shares-thoughts-on-kate-gosselin-custody-hearing/
Admin (10), I wasn't suggesting that Jon would put Collin on TV, just that he's made questionable choices about his own image in the past. His appearance on Couples Therapy (? or whatever it was) really set him back, I think.
Admin (#13), it boggles the mind that she thought this was acceptable behavior. C may have been an expendable "character" to her, but he wasn't to those of us who felt a warm connection with him. He wasn't Steve Urkel or Nellie Oleson -- just some cast member on a show. He was a flesh and blood child. She is a horrible mother.
So Hannah is in 8th grade according to that article.
Wonder if Collin's schooling has been kept up at the facility
So People finally found a way to get their cruel, old, stale, often repeated quote from Mady in their coverage of this custody story today.
M.
She and the kids haven't visited C in years--that breaks my heart. And it's even more cruel of her to refuse to tell Jon where C was so that the poor little guy could have someone to visit him and love him. There is nothing that child could ever have done to deserve that kind of treatment. That is just pure spite and hatred toward both Jon and Collin. Yes, Collin too. She could have washed her hands of him and allowed Jon the chance to forge a relationship with him, but she chose not to do that. And this is the person who always claimed to be a "high-road-taker". If she believes that then she is just delusional. And evil. She is pure evil. Remember the video of her smirking and saying, "I've known where Collin is all along, but the rest of the world doesn't know"? She sat there and smirked, knowing she had cut every last loved one out of that child's life and left him completely abandoned.
I do not believe that Collin's doctors recommended that he not be filmed and she went along with it. She wouldn't have listened to them. She had to have been stopped in some way. Was C taken away to prevent her from forcing him to do things (like filming) that were harmful to him? No way she would have stopped filming him because it's in his best interest. Not a chance.
So Hannah has lived with Jon since February, I don't remember hearing that. And I think it's wonderful that Jon allows Hannah's classmates to visit the house often, according to the US magazine article. It must really burn Kate that SHE'S not the one there in Hollywood!!
People magazine has FINALLY addressed the elephant in the room, but in their own nasty, one-sided way. They have acknowledged that Jon has been awarded custody of Collin, (or to be more accurate, that Jon "says he has") because it's "easier" for only one parent to transition him home.
Their slanted article also states that Jon doesn't speak with any of the other children besides Hannah and Collin. Naturally, the two year old interview with Cara and Mady has been rehashed.
I really don't get the magazine's undying loyalty to Kate. Really-- why?? Who is Kate Gosselin for her to have People magazine's unwavering support. I seriously can't understand it.
PS - I am so sad for the other children who refuse to have a relationship with their father. For the twins, yes, but especially for the other four sextuplets. What has Jon done to them to warrant such animosity? Their mother is disgusting.
People has finally weighed in on the Gosselin story. Their headline is: "Jon Gosselin Doesn't Have Contact With Most of His Kids: They "Aren't Talking to Me", Really? After that no-show stunt Kate pulled, this is what they choose to report on? Of course, they end the story with the usual "Mady and Cara aren't talking to Jon" thing. Disgusting.
I think Leah, Alexis, Joel, and Aaden had to fight just to talk to Hannah. I don’t really think Kate wanted that to even happen. It now seems like Hannah was the one that made the visit to there dad possible. It’s just so sad
How interesting that K8 won't pick up the phone to call her good friend Kate to provide a comment. People had no new information for this story, and they got the date of the hearing wrong (said it was in November). They got nothing, and they know it.
Assuming that the people story is true.How would Kate convince the other 4 to not see Jon?How would kate fans spin how he got custody of collin but somehow were suppose to believe that the other 4 don't want to see him?Either people is not telling the full story here or something doesn't add up.I believe the kids know or will find out on the news that their father has custody of Collin and that their mother couldnt even be bothered to show up,wouldn't that prove to the kids that jon cares about them?Somethings not right here.
Kate is obviously hard at work alienating the remaining kids against Jon. After losing two of them to him, she can't afford to let any more of them go. She has no qualms about destroying relationships to make herself look better, and this is just her latest in a long string of alienations.
"Jon Gosselin Doesn't Have Contact With Most of His Kids: They "Aren't Talking to Me", Really?
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You know what, regardless how stupid Coyne personally feels about this situation, she knows damn well that headline does not reflect what the story is.
Is this a case of if Collin can't be with Kate they don't want him to be with Jon either? Pretty sick. It's a CHILD, Coyne.
I don't understand- so now none of the four tups with Kate ever see Jon? The three- Aaden, Joel and Leah - used to go every week or weekends I thought? When did that stop?
Formerly Duped said... 27
I don't understand- so now none of the four tups with Kate ever see Jon? The three- Aaden, Joel and Leah - used to go every week or weekends I thought? When did that stop?
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Yep. We don't know why or when. But I can take a wild guess: This has K8's fingerprints all over it. The other 4 tups still at home did not just take it into their collective heads one day to freeze Daddy out of their lives. Maybe the threat of having to change schools---or whatever---was too much for them, which would be understandable. They have SEEN, up close and very personally, what she can do to those who don't do what she wants them to do.
She is one destructive, ignorant cow. I sure hope she finds someone on the dating-show circuit, because I don't think that the picture she fabricated of her sitting in a rocker knitting, surrounded by grandkids, is ever going to happen.
Did the People article actually quote Jon? If they did, was it recent? I can't imagine the boys not having anything to do with Jon.
I just read (Us Mag) that TLC asked Jon to give permission to film his kids (for date show) and he refused to sign. That could be why the tups that previously visited Jon now don't. (I can just imagine what Kate said to the kids about their father after that happened).
M.
I subscribe to publications on twitter, and there are so many Jon articles.
Jon described Colin as lovey dovey and intuitive. How could Kate give up on him? And Jon said Colin was going to enjoy the rest of his childhood. Finally. Sounds like Colin never got to do that with Kate.
There's an article about Jon's thoughts on Kate's dating show. He doesn't think she can find love on TV. The article said no premiere date had been announced. What's interesting was Jon said he wouldn't let the children be on the dating show. He said he wouldn't sign the work permits. So he has rights to say if they can film? Here's the article:
https://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/jon-gosselin-doesnt-think-kate-gosselin-will-find-love-on-tv/
Another article mentioned Jon's estrangement from the twins. He said they're adults now, and the ball's in their court.
https://www.etonline.com/jon-gosselin-opens-up-about-heartbreaking-estrangement-from-daughters-mady-cara-exclusive-115662?linkId=61026616
And the People article that's mentioned. I was looking for the twins' comments, and there they were. Coyne must require them to attach that.
https://people.com/tv/jon-gosselin-custody-son-collin/?utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=peoplemagazine&xid=socialflow_twitter_peoplemag&utm_source=twitter.com
"Moreover, the last time he saw the other kids, he said it was "volatile and a lot going on."
This was in another article.
https://www.eonline.com/news/996017/jon-gosselin-opens-up-about-his-big-win-getting-custody-of-collin
There is really no telling the hell these kids have been through. I know Kate is jealous and wished she were out in warm California showing off her boobs and her boob Skeeve.
Jon is on video saying he doesn't see or talk to the other kids. He says they talk to Hannah. It's video from the event he was at. Hopefully that will change.
I'm guessing that Jon's regular every-other-weekend overnight visitation with the other 4 tups ended right around the time Hannah moved in with him. Because at that point, K8 probably turned to them and said, okay, the judge says you're all old enough to decide, so where do YOU want to go? And with that probably came all of the baggage she's piled on them for years: school, house, pool, etc., etc. Not surprising those visits have stopped.
As for her including them in her dating show, I can see the twins going along with it (if they're filming after their 18th b'day, presumably they now have much more autonomy--and remuneration--in terms of their participation). And maybe the other 4 would have cooperated. But how do K8--AND TLC--think they're going to sell K8+D8+8-2 to the public? How many "set-the-record-straight" tours would that require from K8? I don't think TLC's PR is that good.
Another interview where Jon gives a little more information than what is in the printed interview ... Watch the video..
https://www.etonline.com/jon-gosselin-excited-to-enjoy-the-holidays-at-home-with-son-collin-exclusive-115633
I have to agree with Sad But True (@28) and M (@30). The remaining 4 tups not speaking to Jon has TFW’s fingerprints all over it and I believe that it’s a direct result of his refusing to sign the work permits to allow them to appear on the dating show. I’m sure that TFW went ballistic over that and as we all know, if you’re not with her you’re against her. I’m sure Mady’s Attitude towards Jon didn’t help either. Hopefully things will work out for them all and the tups still with TFW will begin to visit once again.
Nothing from TFW yet on IG, however, she made a comment (last week) on Mady’s post from 6 Nov ago asking Mady to “post more pictures please”.
NJGal51 ...that is not TFW who made that comment on Mady's Instagram ... It's a Fan's Instagram ...it has a _ at the end,cis how to tell the difference .....
I have to agree with Sad But True (@28) and M (@30). The remaining 4 tups not speaking to Jon has TFW’s fingerprints all over it and I believe that it’s a direct result of his refusing to sign the work permits to allow them to appear on the dating show.
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It rarely occurs to children this age they can "estrange" a parent. They almost always are influenced by other adults, often older family members. Even older siblings, hate to say it.
Think about it, did anyone know what estranging a parent meant when they were all of 14 years old?
JM - thanks for pointing that out. I didn’t notice it.
Is anyone else having trouble posting? Blogger won’t let me stay signed in.
She is one destructive, ignorant cow. I sure hope she finds someone on the dating-show circuit, because I don't think that the picture she fabricated of her sitting in a rocker knitting, surrounded by grandkids, is ever going to happen.
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The thing is, any good man who is at all serious about having a healthy relationship would see all this absurd, absurd family drama as one big fat red flag. He'd run far, far away from this mess and not dare get involved. So good job on that front, Kate. It's not the kids that scare men away. It's all this.
NJGal51 said... 36
But . . . since when has she/TLC ever needed Jon's permission for work permits? Does anyone think he's been signing them all along, and it was just never mentioned? Was TLC trying to play nice? I admit I'm confused on this point.
The 4 remaining tups' not speaking to Jon is definitely because of filming. Kate probably told them that Jon is going to make them lose their house and leave their school because he won't let them be filmed, and they'll all be homeless. She knows that if she can't have any of the younger kids in the new show, fewer people will watch, the ratings will be lower, and her chances of getting more seasons are pretty much nil. Filming is everything to her. If Jon stands in her way, she will make him pay.
I think Kate and TLC have always ignored Jon and the work permits thing because they thought he could never beat them on in court. Then--surprise!--he got custody of two of the kids. Maybe the new Guardian Ad Litem changes things because the court has someone keeping track of what is going on with the kids. Maybe now there is a court order to keep them from filming the kids without Jon's signature. Whatever it is, they are scared enough to finally comply. Their days of calling the shots are over.
FYI, I see that I am Jazz and My Big Fat Fabulous Life are coming back for new seasons at the beginning of January. No mention of Kate's Fake Dating Show (KFDS).
I think Jon not seeing the other tups is more recent. Before Hannah’s Instagram went private she had a post up, she was outside and there was some commotion. She was laughing and said that that’s life with three brothers.
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Jon mentioning that the remaining tups don't talk to him and that their last meeting with all 8 kids was volatile is sad. I'm sure K8 Jr. (Mady) had plenty to do with that as well as Leah and Alexis. Cara, is too reserved for me to hazard a guess. The narrative of Aeden and Joel also refusing to talk to their Dad raises too many red flags with me. Their personalities are too mellow and amenable even with all the chaos around them. Plus they've always had a bond with Jon since they were little. Lord knows, K8 couldn't be bothered with "icky boys" (insert sarcasm).
Also, I recall somewhere on this blog (July 2018), someone mentioned that Hannah had live blogged on IG (?) and she made reference to the 3 boys being there with her even though their faces weren't shown and they were having fun. That was only 5 months ago. Either K8 has laid down the hammer at the House of Horrors and Jon is covering for the kids to save face, or the remaining tups really don't want to see/talk to Jon. It's heartbreaking anyway you look at the situation.
You can bet K8 used everything in her arsenal to make sure the other tups and the twins don't re-connect with their Dad (evil witch). They will eventually come to realize fact vs. fiction. The fact that Hannah realized this before it was too late gives me hope. Out of all the tups, it's fitting that Hannah continues to be the leader and that she will be there to help Collin as well as their Dad. I'm glad that he is not rushing the kids and setting high expectations. He's letting them come to him when they're ready and on their terms.
I'm so sorry to hear this news about the other kids. Of course that manipulative heifer is behind it.
She is profoundly, and perhaps permanently, damaging the sibling relationships that will continue long after she and Jon are gone.
I'm remembering someone asking little J who he was, and how he grinned and replied, "I'm Daddy's son."
Am I wrong to worry that this new info might actually score TFW an on-camera interview somewhere?
My guess is his (reluctant) permission to film Kate plus 8 doesn't mean he has given his permission to film other shows.
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I'm glad Jon refused to sign the work permits for the kids to film. It's about time Kate earn her own paycheck, not the kids. I hope with time, the kids reconnect with Jon.
Admin...loving the posts on Gordon!
I don't understand. Someone said here that all of the kids have legal guardians now..if that is the case, why isn't custody being carried out as ordered by the court whether they want to go or not? For the four 14 year olds?
But . . . since when has she/TLC ever needed Jon's permission for work permits? Does anyone think he's been signing them all along, and it was just never mentioned? Was TLC trying to play nice? I admit I'm confused on this point.
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Kate had full legal custody of all the kids up until now. They did not need Jon’s signature until he got custody of Hannah and now Collin.Jon has been against filming since the divorce or before. The season before the divorce, Jon said on camera that he did not want to continue to film. Kate kept insisting that they would be back for another season.
I am in the camp that the tips estrangement is due to filming. Kate said something to upset them. She sure knows how to manipulate the kids.
Andrea
Sad but true said... 41
But . . . since when has she/TLC ever needed Jon's permission for work permits? Does anyone think he's been signing them all along, and it was just never mentioned? Was TLC trying to play nice? I admit I'm confused on this point.
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I think they always needed Jon's permission. Kate used the massive amount of child support Jon owed as leverage to get him to agree to giving her the ability to film the kids. This was back in 2012. In exchange for not paying child support Jon agreed to let them film.
After the incident with Kate regarding H at the dentist it would appear Jon had enough and tried to protect his kids. Jon revoked his permission and Kate went ballistic. Kate then sued him for over $100K in back-due support.
MikeB said... 50
Yes, this makes some sense. Of course we don't know for sure that there was a side deal, but the timing is right. When Hannah leaves in February, she's right there suing him the next month. What a tangled mess, especially for the kids.
I’m guessing Kate found out about Joel and Aaden seeing Collin and put a stop to it.
amc (#52), and that makes my stomach turn. C was cut off from his 2 roommates/wombmates for more than 2 years -- surely a painful period for all 3 boys. And once that connection was restored thanks to her nemesis Jon, TFW couldn't let it continue.
It looks like Jon is checking houses in California. He post on his Instagram tha he was with his Realtor friend. Nan
@Admin Do you think its possible Mady had an involvement in the 4 not seeing Jon?When the twins came out and said how they aren't seeing Jon,i was worried that they'd(especially mady)try to influence the tups into not seeing their father.Im not denying that Kate is the one mostly responsible for all this but i can see mady trying to convince the tups not to go see Jon.I wonder if the twins saw on the tabs that Jon has custody of Collin and what they think of their mother not even bothering to show up to court.Like i said,there's something about all this that we dont know.
Just want to thank everyone for posting the links to all the articles.
This family that TFW created is so very fractured and she's the one responsible for all of it. At this point, I've gone from thinking she's a nasty, manipulative, greedy narcissist to concluding that she is simply pure evil. I don't say that lightly, but after all these years of observing the damage she has single handily inflicted on so many people, she more than deserves that description.
One day soon, may she be completely alone. And, broke too. That's the least of what she deserves. I could go on, but I'll just sit back and wait for more karma to hit this evil bitch.
Anonymous said... 54
It looks like Jon is checking houses in California. He post on his Instagram tha he was with his Realtor friend. Nan
I have friends that are realtors and just because I’m with them doesn’t mean I’m checking out houses. Where did you see that? I follow him on IG and twitter and didn’t see it.
Here are the two Instagram posts that Jon did yesterday from LA.
The first post is a series of pics of Jon and Colleen, plus a pic of Jon at the WeTV event with some other reality TV people, and a pic of him with the realtor guy:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BrSwibUDqPv/
jongosselin1 Had a great time in LA with @colleen.conrad122 met up with my boy Harvey @harveytherealtor saw the sights enjoyed the weather, had a great event last night with Wetv @wetv at the Paley Center @paleycenter it was nice meeting everyone!!!
This post is a pic of Jon joking around when he came across the TMZ Celebrity Tour bus:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BrS3dHVjmTV/
jongosselin1 Found you guys first this time!!! Tag you’re it!!! Haha
Jon Gosselin reveals he is considering proposing to girlfriend of four years Colleen Conrad
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-6492351/Jon-Gosselin-reveals-considering-proposing-girlfriend-four-years-Colleen-Conrad.html
He rose to fame with his then-wife Kate Gosselin and their eight children.
But Jon Gosselin's current relationship is with one Colleen Conrad, and he revealed that they have 'talked about' the prospect of marriage.
Jon, 41, made the revelation at the Real Love: Relationship Reality TV’s Past, Present And Future panel held this Tuesday, People reported.
He dished: 'I’ve been with Colleen for four years now,' and when it comes to marriage: 'I’ve thought about it, yeah - talked about it.'
Jon recalled: 'She’s driven. I’ve known Colleen my whole life. We grew up three blocks from each other. Her sister used to babysit me.'
The former reality star shared that if fans wanted romance updates: 'Just look at my Instagram. That’s how stories get out anyway, I guess. It’s so funny.'
Jon's 10-year marriage to Kate produced twin daughters Cara and Madeleine in 2000. Kate gave birth to sextuplets four years later.
The reality show began in 2007, but by 2009, the marriage ended as Jon fended off a persistent swirl of rumors alleging his multiple affairs.
Kate was also reported to have cheated on Jon with bodyguard Steve Neild, but like Jon, she staunchly denied the infidelity claims.
She told People magazine that the accusations against her 'are disgusting, unthinkable, unfathomable, and I am horrified.'
Jon ultimately left the reality show, which subsequently became Kate Plus Eight, and he has since become a disc jockey under the name DJ Jon Gosselin.
The father of eight gained custody of his 14-year-old son Collin this month after the boy's mother failed to appear at the hearing, Us Weekly reported.
James, interesting theory and quite plausible. Mady is her mother's apprentice it seems. And we know she 'doesn't like' her younger siblings
I am in the camp that the tips estrangement is due to filming. Kate said something to upset them. She sure knows how to manipulate the kids.
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Definitely, it is all about filming. When the show was cancelled in 2011, she said the kids immediately asked her if they would be able to stay in their house and their school, and that one of them also asked, "No more fun trips?". I'm sure that she told them they will lose their house, have to leave their school, and won't be able to go on trips or go to college because Jon won't sign to let them film. That would upset them greatly--this is their security (house, school), their future (college) and something they enjoy (trips), all gone because of their horrible, evil father (according to Kate). They don't know any better, and their mother is a master manipulator. They probably believe Jon wants to take away everything they have. No wonder they're angry.
The pure selfishness of Kate astounds me, doing her level best to trash these siblings' relationships with each other. She will go someday as all parents go, and they may only be in their 40s or 50s when she does. That's DECADES of life left together in which they will be ALL THEY HAVE of their childhoods. One of the most beautiful things out of watching our family bury my grandfather this year was all of the siblings coming together to let him go, and let their childhood home go. They NEEDED each other through that, still do, and he left a wonderful legacy in building that family. She can't put aside her selfish bitter nasty self for one second and realize that it's not always going to be about her, that she won't always be around, that they will go on with life without her and would prefer it be a nice one. She says she loves these kids, but it's not really loving them to do this to them.
Anonymous said... 54
It looks like Jon is checking houses in California. He post on his Instagram tha he was with his Realtor friend. Nan
I have friends that are realtors and just because I’m with them doesn’t mean I’m checking out houses. Where did you see that? I follow him on IG and twitter and didn’t see it.
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I'm not making that leap either. He's tagging people on instagram he's hanging out with. He didn't say he's looking at houses. He can't afford Los Angeles. He's not that stupid.
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I doubt that Jon is looking at houses. He just said he met up with a realtor friend--no mention of looking for a house. Plus, I have family in the area (in PA), and they said Colleen bought a large, very nice new house last year. I don't think they would be planning to move already.
@Admin Do you think its possible Mady had an involvement in the 4 not seeing Jon?When the twins came out and said how they aren't seeing Jon,i was worried that they'd(especially mady)try to influence the tups into not seeing their father.Im not denying that Kate is the one mostly responsible for all this but i can see mady trying to convince the tups not to go see Jon.I wonder if the twins saw on the tabs that Jon has custody of Collin and what they think of their mother not even bothering to show up to court.Like i said,there's something about all this that we dont know.
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YES, there is such a thing as sibling alienation.
Usually of course the alienation starts with the parents who turn the siblings against each other. Siblings don't just naturally alienate each other, yeah right Kate.
It's been speculated that perhaps one consideration for Jon agreeing to filming back in the day is to try to just give the kids what they want, let him know he's not unreasonable, he's not against them, he wants them to have what they want, extend an olive branch to their mother.
And if that was the case we can see why. Because when he does say nope not okay with it, they cut off contact.
As far as Kate alienating the remaining 4 tups from Jon, I truly believe Kate has made some threats or has played some abusive mind games against them. If we were only a fly on her wall, i think we’d be appalled at what these kids have had to deal with throughout the years. Filming only revealed a small percentage of her abusive nature. I believe these kids are afraid and aren’t strong enough to challenge her.
And I’m afraid that her alienating nature will unfortunately rub off on some of these kids. They have witnessed time and time again their family members, babysitters, friends, community volunteers etc come into their lives and disappear. All because of Kate. But she puts her spin on things. It’s always someone else’s fault. I’m afraid everyday people will become expendable to these kids in their adult life. And many will have trust issues and relationship issues
Is purseboy still in the picture? And I think no one is as dumb as Milo seems to be, I think they are paid to promote Kate.
Very happy for Hannah, Collin and Jon
old time poster
I've always felt that Mady has a love/hate relationship with the younger ones. Sometimes, she's caring and protective and as we've seen at other times she can even be verbally and physically abusive that goes beyond sibling rivalry, at least when the tups were younger.
Even without K8's evil influence and manipulation, perhaps the other kids would still feel some resentment for their father "abandoning" them, especially the twins. In essence, leaving them to fend for themselves. I do hope all of the siblings will be able to eventually restore their relationship with each other as well as with Jon.
Admin...loving the posts on Gordon!
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Now that he's more or less agreed to start walking with me, a whole new world opens up for him!
Interesting theory that Jon is estranged from the children because of Kate's rage over him not allowing filming. It does make sense. Maybe Jon feels now he has more power and won't sign off on things when in the past, he was at the mercy of Kate and TLC.
Didn't in one of her many oh, so many, interviews, say that it was by her choice her own parents aren't in the picture? And I distinctly remember Jon said in an interview why he couldn't spent time with his kids and his mom together?
So, if anyone is alienating tendencies it would seem to be from Kate. For whatever her reasons. So part of me doesn't exactly doubt that she keeps this up towards her children certainly her ex-husband.
Is her show Kate plus 8 officially been canned by TLC or do they still do specials or whatever?
Administrative (#62), and I find it particularly ironic that Ms. Organic Diet managed to find a way to poison her children anyway. Good on ya, Katie Irene.
Raising kids under the best of circumstances is fraught with obstacles and challenges. Parents lose children to disease, accidents and gun violence every day, and families are shattered. Spared such suffering, TFW manufactured her own family tragedy by turning her children against their father. I call that emotional abuse, full stop.
Raising kids under the best of circumstances is fraught with obstacles and challenges. Parents lose children to disease, accidents and gun violence every day, and families are shattered. Spared such suffering, TFW manufactured her own family tragedy by turning her children against their father. I call that emotional abuse, full stop.
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Sibling and parental alienation IS emotional abuse, absolutely.
And yeah, good point. She has eight healthy, wonderful kids, and yet she's fractured the family. Other families are fractured in so many other ways completely out of their control. She had control over this.
And I agree, we underestimated her by a mile. She actually is evil. She's not a narcissist. She's a sociopath.
I would hope the GAL would be advocating for the kids to see their father more .... as in enforcing the visitation agreement.
How much power does the GAL actually have? said... 75
I think that it's the kids' age (14) working against him. At 18 the twins cannot be compelled to see him. At 14, you have Hannah and Collin choosing to live with Jon. I am sure the argument goes, if those two have the freedom of choice, so do the rest of the tups. And I'm also sure Kate has worked her ass off to ensure that no one else will dare to go with their dad. That may change, of course, but at the moment she seems to have the upper hand with the 4 tups still living in her house. The GAL may recommend the tups reestablish a connection, but I don't think it is enforceable from a practical point of view.
How much power does the GAL actually have? said... 75
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Number one I'm not sure this GAL represents anyone other than Hannah.
Number two, if she does represent all the kids, she shouldn't, because the kids seem to have extremely varying different views, and you can't really represent all the kids when some of them are at such odds with each other.
Finally, your recommendations and opinions are just that, and although most judges will put a lot of weight on them, it's not like you have veto power. Judges will overrule you if they think they have a better idea for what's in the kids' best interest. It's not a daily thing for most judges to disregard minor's counsel's viewpoint, but it's not unusual either.
Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 77
Who decides on retaining and appoints the GAL(s)? It's the judge, right? And they are paid by the "client." I wonder whose money is being used to pay for however many GALs are involved. Is it something usually split between the parents? Or do you reckon the kids' funds are paying the bill for this directly?
Just came across this article online and wanted to share regarding how Collin is doing in the aftermath of the custody hearing:
"He’s happy and he has the light back in his eyes again. He’s in great health,” the source explains.
Not sure how reputable is the source, but if true, that's fantastic! It sounded like he was pretty down prior to the hearing and Jon tried to keep up his spirits up. (See below for entire article).
https://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/collin-gosselin-has-the-light-back-in-his-eyes-after-custody-case/
So, is "Mrs. Claus" only shopping for 6 this year, now that her traitorous daughter H has decided to live with her dead father?
Even when Colin was still at home years ago, Hannah, Leah, Aaden and Joel always went to visit Jon. Now the boys and Leah don't go?! Kate really must have laid down the law and frightened them if they are no longer going. I hope Jon doesn't let this go. The boys are so easy going I can't imagine this was their decision.
(68) Is purseboy still in the picture? And I think no one is as dumb as Milo seems to be, I think they are paid to promote Kate.
Very happy for Hannah, Collin and Jon
old time poster
December 13, 2018 at 12:58 PM
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I'm curious about this too, is Purseboy still around?
LisaNH (#82), if Ratclaws is still around, I would imagine it's because it allows pior Z-lister TFW to continue the illusion that she's still an important celebrity in need of protection. And if he's not repulsed by her behavior and the way she's thrown a stick of dynamite into her children's relationships with their dad and each other, then he's just as miserable a person as she is.
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LisaNH (#82), if Ratclaws is still around, I would imagine it's because it allows pior Z-lister TFW to continue the illusion that she's still an important celebrity in need of protection. And if he's not repulsed by her behavior and the way she's thrown a stick of dynamite into her children's relationships with their dad and each other, then he's just as miserable a person as she is.
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I couldn't agree with you more. I always got that kind of vibe from him, that he could be the male version of Kate, very self absorbed and self centered.
capecodmama (81)
Yes, it is odd that Aaden, Collin, and Leah visited Jon for so many years and suddenly stopped. And the fact that their last visit was so tense. I think Kate convinced them of something that really upset and scared them. My theory is that she told them they will lose everything (house, school, college) because Jon refused to sign for them to film. She has probably used the threat of losing everything they have as an incentive to get them to film all along. And if those are the consequences, I'm sure they were willing to do it. Now, of course, Kate can keep them willing to film and turn them against Jon at the same time. "We're going to lose your house and you'll have to leave your school because Jon won't let you film with me. And you can forget about college. It's all Jon's fault" Of course, she's not broke but the kids don't know that. Remember the "source" who told People that Kate's money was running out? That was a year ago. And yet she's still in that money suck of a house, she was able to pay for another year of private school, and she's spending on a lawyer to try to get a 6-figure sum out of money out of Jon (who doesn't have the money to pay it even if she did win, so why bother?). Al those things take a lot of money, so she was nowhere near broke then. Liar, liar, pants on fire, Kate!
I wonder how much of a hand TLC had in encouraging parental alienation as a way to browbeat Jon into approving continued filming.
I wish a high powered lawyer would sue the heck out of TLC.
Just another note on Hannah and Collin....they were Kate's work horses if I remember correctly. Always trying to please the witch but never able to....
As for how well these kids are adapting, who knows what kind of relationship issues they will have as adults because of Kate. Fathers are important.
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@Anonymous Back when the show was popular and Jon wanted to cancel the show,i do believe TLC probably did encouraged parental alienation.Someone here can correct me if im wrong but i seem to recall in robert's book that TLC knew about the abuse but did nothing about it.I did hear that some film crew left the filming because of how she treated the kids.However apart of me doubts TLC had anything to do with the 4 now not seeing jon.If they did then this company is the most corrupted T.V channels that i've seen.Why they're still trying to cling to this family to the point of destroying relationships despite the fact that kate doesn't even hold millions of viewers anymore is beyond me.
BTW i did some digging and found that this is the last photo Jon uploaded on his IG with the 4 tups.This was on new years of JAN 2017 so between that moment to now is when something happen that caused the other kids to not see Jon.The last Kate plus 8 episode that aired was on july 24th 2017 and there's been nothing since then apart from this dating show which doesn't seem to be coming any time soon.Apart of me is doubting it had anything to do with jon not signing the kids onto the dating show and if Kate threaten the other kids that they'll lose the house because of Jon not signing them on the show,she's been saying this since the show was 1st cancelled before and they've been seeing jon even after that.So what could of cause them all to suddenly decide not to see Jon. https://www.instagram.com/p/BOtZnVjjJ0D/
Jamesvader1194 - When Hannah had her IG she was doing a live feed and, as someone mentioned above, some of the other tups were there. I remember her saying something to/about them but I don’t remember wat it was. So, they have visited this year. TFW is a tool and we can only hope that once Collin is with Jon the boys will want to visit their brother.
As Admin previously stated, TFW is not just evil, she's a sociopath. She would rather make her children suffer than let them have any relationship with their father or with each other. What a pathetic sad sack. And yet people continually defend her and her emotional abuse. She & pathetic Skeeve can go eat cold pizza on her K8+Fake Date show, if it ever sees the light of day.
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I didn't know other G kids were at Jon's during the live feed! Do you recall anything else? Thanks.
jamesvader1194
Jon said the last time he saw the tups together (except Collin, of course) was a year ago. He has mentioned that Alexis doesn't visit any longer, but the others may have visited more recently. Jon seems to have gotten custody of Hannah in February, and Kate sued him for back child support in March. The dating show was announced in April, and about that time Jon said the kids would not be filming if he could help it. So all of this happened in a very short time span. Jon getting custody of Hannah meant Kate couldn't film her. Typical Kate, she was out for revenge and filed the lawsuit. When Jon refused to sign for the other kids to be filmed, she sought revenge by alienating the other kids. Maybe she thought they would wear Jon down and he'd cave in and sign. That apparently didn't happen. That would explain the estrangement from the 4 tups living with Kate, and also the delay in the dating show filming/airing.
I think Kate and TLC believed Jon would never get custody of Hannah, and they'd just ignore his wishes and film the kids with or without his permission. Jon getting custody showed a shift in how the court was handling this case. Kate always won, but now that changed. They didn't dare go ahead and film the kids without his permission if there might be repercussions.
Looking back on that smirking interview Kate gave (talking about how she knew where C was but the world doesn't), she said she's less focused on what Jon has to say and she doesn't really pay attention to what he says. She thought she could continue to do what she wanted as far as the kids were concerned and there was nothing he could do about it. Boy, was she ever wrong.
Formerly Duped - Unfortunately I cant remember anything about it other than they were visiting.
I don’t think Jon had to sign the work permits unto now. I think Kate had full legal custody of the kids until Jon got custody of Hannah. Katevwoukd not have been able to banish Collin without Jon’s knowledge unless he had no legal custody.
Now, Jon has full legal custody of Hannah and Collin. He has a say about Hannah and Collin filming. He said no and I think that’s great. The children deserve privacy and a freedom of being responsibility from the family income.
Andrea
Layla (#92), and I also remember a few years ago TFW saying something like, I don't understand why Jon even gets to have a say in anything regarding the kids. She considered them hers and hers alone. What a sicko.
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I think Kate and TLC believed Jon would never get custody of Hannah, and they'd just ignore his wishes and film the kids with or without his permission. Jon getting custody showed a shift in how the court was handling this case.
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I think the difference in the outcome here has everything to do with TLC. I think they are no longer willing to fund Kate's lawsuits in order to make the tups film, and I think that has everything to do with their clear understanding that K8 can't carry a show. Why would they invest in something that is unlikely to be anywhere close to a home run? The writing is on the wall: The Gosselin "brand" is dead.
It seems to me that someone over there has finally wised up: Funding K8's lawsuits against Jon is not just a PR mega-fail, it's a losing proposition in terms of outlay vs revenue. By not backing her courtroom efforts to force the children to film, they're able to slowly but surely divorce themselves from her, which I think they've wanted to do for at least the last two years of dreadful ratings. I am sure their contract with her gives them an out if she can't deliver anything watchable. And I think it's pretty clear that she can't. Let them air one or two episodes of K8 + D8 + PurseBoy if they need to in order to fulfill whatever obligation they may still have toward her. They've got nothing but time and a very deep bench of shitty shows--without K8's sort of baggage--in their pipeline.
@Layla Trust me,i believe Kate did say that but my problem is how Aaden,joel and leah were convince by it when Kate has used the fear of losing the house,vactions,show and everything since the show was first cancelled but that didn't stop the 3 of them from visiting Jon before this.Now that they're older they suddenly buy into that lie now?I honestly do believe NJGal51 and think that when Aaden and joel will hear about Collin being with Jon then they may decide to go see him.Unless,there's something we don't know and they decide to not want to see Collin.
Sad but true (#92), great points about TLC. TFW has acted for years like she believes they truly love her and her children. But of course they don't. They are as ruthless, mercenary, transactional, and what-can-you-do-for-me as she is. For years, she's kicked friends, and even flesh-and-blood family members to the curb, and probably never suspected she herself could be the kickee. Could it be that TLC finally realized she doesn't know how to help them?
jamesvader1194
I think it's because Jon has never been able to prevent Kate from filming the kids. He apparently has been able to do that now, and I absolutely believe she made sure the kids know it's all Jon's fault. She's nothing without the kids, and she knows it. She needs them to film. She always attacks when she doesn't get her way, and this is the first time he has successfully prevented her from getting her way. She will make him pay, and if (as it appears) the court is backing him up, then she'll use the kids to hurt him.
Andrea (94)
I agree, Jon getting custody of Hannah and Collin stopped any hopes Kate had of filming them. He can say no and there's nothing she can do about it. The show (and Kate and TLC) took a big hit when Collin left, and with Hannah MIA too--well, that's not going to go unnoticed. The backlash will double, and TLC doesn't want to deal with that. They have had too many PR disasters lately, they don't want any more. They chose to stop filming the last season after only 3 episodes, and right about the time the battle over Hannah became public. Coincidence? I think not.
I wonder if there is some change in Jon's ability to stop the other kids from filming. Kate forced Collin to film when it was obviously not in his best interests. She forced Hannah to film while she was having one of her stress headaches (and dismissed it as "just a Hannah thing"--not that's cold). She obviously cannot be trusted to do what's in the kids' best interests when it comes to filming. Did the GAL/judge decide that Jon needed to have a say? At least he appears to have the kids' well-being in mind and is not financially motivated to force them to film.
Just throwing this out there, but--does anyone else suspect that the new casting for the dating show (which has apparently already been filming for months) has something to do with Jon's refusal to sign for the kids to film? I wonder if they went ahead and filmed with the kids, and then realized they could face trouble for doing that if Jon has to sign for it. Do they have to re-film things, or maybe fill in the footage that they can't air with the kids? I'm thinking they'd want to kids to meet the men their mother would be dating, give couch interviews about them, maybe "help" Kate decide which one "wins". Maybe not, but it's really strange that the show was supposed to air in the fall and they're still casting in November.
Layla (#100), yeah, not having the kids involved could seriously impact filming the dating show. For years, TFW insisted it was the KIDS who wanted her to date. And she repeatedly expressed wanting a relationship only in terms of having a parenting partner. Remember she said she needed a guy to be like a cop to control the kids?
I know lots of people thought it was good news that TFW was doing a dating show because it wouldn't involve the kids. But I always thought their participation -- meeting the prospective dad, er, I mean, date, etc. -- would be necessary to get this turkey off the ground.
I know lots of people thought it was good news that TFW was doing a dating show because it wouldn't involve the kids. But I always thought their participation -- meeting the prospective dad, er, I mean, date, etc. -- would be necessary to get this turkey off the ground.
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If I were an executive sitting around noodling over this show, I would be thinking, the kids HAVE to be in it. They just have to. The whole idea of Kate dating is only half the show, the other half is how her kids react to it.
I'd throw such a show in the trash if the kids weren't on it. Period.
Jon quote in a recent AOL interview: https://www.aol.com/article/entertainment/2018/12/14/jon-gosselin-talks-possibly-remarrying/23617500/
this isn't really normal for us," he noted. "But it's good, you know, to travel and get to see different things. It's like reliving my past but with someone I really love and care about. So, it's nice to enjoy that."
I dont think TFW will receive well that comment.
Nan
Still no word from the queen? This is the longest time she has not posted something to 'set the record straight' in forever.... this is bizarre! Maybe she broke her phone in anger? I worry about the kids she has left.
I know...she would normally be posting the photos of piles of the baked goods for teachers and sanitation workers by now or the zillions of gifts she has to wrap and the half-decorated/lit tree...
This is the longest time she has not posted something to 'set the record straight' in forever.... this is bizarre! Maybe she broke her phone in anger?
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I heard you can even break instagram with just a tap of a french pressed nail.
"But it's good, you know, to travel and get to see different things. It's like reliving my past but with someone I really love and care about. So, it's nice to enjoy that."
I dont think TFW will receive well that comment.
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This is so funny. For years she had the upper hand with custody and with all the snide nasty remarks.
Now the tides have turned and now he's the one making the little digs. What ya gonna do about it TFW???? 😂😂
Admin (102) said...
If I were an executive sitting around noodling over this show, I would be thinking, the kids HAVE to be in it. hey just have to. The whole idea of Kate dating is only half the show, the other half is how her kids react to it.
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Kate has never been able to carry anything on her own. She's just nasty and lazy and boring too, and that is what shines through without the kids to soften the overall effect. Jon did that when he was there, and the show never did as well without him. Kate did DWTS and came across as nothing more than lazy and nasty. She didn't last long. On Celeb Apprentice she kept her freak-outs under control and then was probably the least interesting person there. She didn't last long. Are they going to allow her freak-outs when she's on these dates? Without her melt-downs she has no personality. Viewers will be lured into boredom-induced comas. They need the kids to make it interesting.
Kate won't set the record straight on IG unless that is her last option. She wants to do it on TV, with her hair and makeup done and a sympathetic interviewer asking pre-approved questions. She's not popular enough to get that now. Her last smirking interview really did her in. It showed the ugliness in her soul for the world to see. I'd be surprised if the judge in the custody case didn't see that and realize what a vicious parental alienator she really is. Smirking about how she has kept C's whereabouts from Jon, and saying she doesn't listen to what Jon has to say. We all knew she was hateful and working hard to keep Jon from the kids, but putting it out there in an interview for everyone to see was such a stupid mistake. She can't deny any of it because Jon's lawyer can produce the video as evidence. And she did it to herself! Hahahahaha!!!!
Admin...Nice to see Gordon enjoying the yard.
Since she hasn't posted in quite a while, and I doubt anything film wise will be on the horizon any time soon or ever I have to wonder what sh's going to you know actually DO now. Aside from living off what she made from reality television her kids are all teenagers or young adults...I see a lonely future ahead for her. Which is sad but brought on by herself. I don't know how exactly with all this going on HOW she would set the record straight at least not without creating more speculation at the very least.
I am waiting for the day that 1) She is forced to submit to an audit, 2) she has to sell the house, although I think she owes more than she can sell it for, 3) she declares bankruptcy, 4) she is forced to get a real mediocre job, if anyone would hire her, and 5) more kids defect to Jon.... all those things are coming, I am sure. She CANNOT have much money left to sustain private school tuition for 4 kids for 4 more years, plus college tuition....they did not make that much all those years ago ..... and if the date farce ever shows, I will eat my hat. Not gonna happen, not never! LOL
(Long ago poster & Baby Mama pest)
I tend to think that the remaining tups have learned their lesson about arguing about most anything with Kate, especially about visiting their own father.
She literally made Collin disappear right in front of their own eyes. Do you not think she has threatened the same to the rest of them? Imagine that as a 12 year old. Having a parent who has already made one of your siblings disappear from the home & the entire family. What would that do to them? Did Kate worry about that? No, that's not Kate. That was a new tool in her toolbox. "See what I can do if you don't behave?" Probably not said, but I'm sure she got the point across.
I'm quite sure the other kids have been severely traumatized by this experience & have nowhere to turn for help.
I'm quite sure the other kids have been severely traumatized by this experience & have nowhere to turn for help.
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I agree with you, but what about the GAL- if we know this or suspect, wouldn't this person be aware? Or are the kids too frightened to speak? So tragic.
"when not if" (111)
Jon and Kate made almost $2M one year (2008, I think) and that is the only year they made that much. '08-'09 were their peak earning years. It's hard to imagine Kate has a lot left after the divorce and endless custody battles, years of unemployment, and only 3 episodes airing in the last 2 years, but who knows? The stock market was so strong for years, and if she invested well, that might have sustained her and the kids, but that period is over for now. She won't sell the house unless she is absolutely destitute. The house separates her from the "mediocre" people. Plus, it is partially owned by the kids' trust, although she is able to revoke that trust and keep any money she makes from the sale for herself. And she would do that in a heartbeat. But...then what? Does she still think she'll be filming 'til she's "old and grey" (as she said in her diary)? Fat chance.
Formerly Duped (113)
The GAL might only be for Hannah since she was the one who was asking for a change in custody, but we don't really know. The others might have to speak up and request a change in custody before they are appointed one. And then they're stuck at home with an angry Kate until custody is decided. If they don't speak up, then can we blame them? Their mother will make their lives a living hell and they know it.
I do wonder how the rest of the tups will react to seeing Collin in a safe and loving home. Will that help them see through their mothers lies? Can Hannah help them see that Jon is the reason Collin is coming home?
Andrea
ROL is reporting Collin is coming home in a couple of days! Merry Christmas, Collin! No more holidays away from your loved ones. This will be one Christmas he, Hannah and Jon will never forget!
https://radaronline.com/exclusives/2018/12/jon-kate-gosselin-son-collin-released-treatment-this-week-custody-ruling/
Troubled Collin, 14, 'will be home with his dad for good,' source claims.
By Mary Jacob
Posted on Dec 17, 2018 @ 13:07PM
After more than two years in treatment for his special needs, Jon‘s son Collin will be released this week and placed in his father’s care, RadarOnline.com can exclusively report.
“He is expected to be released December 18 or 19,” a source close to the family told Radar. “Collin will transition out of the facility, and will finally be home with his dad for good.”
Layla: Wouldn't a GAL for Hannah hear of the horrors of all the kids' lives and be bound to act? I don't know how all this works but how could knowledge of their treatment go unchecked? You're right, though- there is much we don't know about this dysfunctional family.
Oh happy day! Collin is finally coming home! Thanks for the update. But I would make a change to the ROL description below:
"After more than two years in treatment for his special needs, Jon‘s son Collin will be released this week and placed in his father’s care..."
It should have began with "After more than two years placed in exile for refusing to conform..."
Interesting that they wrote "Jon's son Collin" instead of Jon & K8's son".
Formerly Duped (118)
Hard to say. The GAL appeared as part of the custody battle over Hannah, and was there to represent Hannah. We don't know that this person was given access to the other kids, especially since the others weren't asking for a change in custody. I tend to think the GAL only had the authority to stand up for Hannah.
Isn't it interesting that Kate lost custody of the two kids who were recently negatively affected by filming? It was not in C's best interests to film, as filming
overstimulated him--but Kate forced him to film anyway. Hannah had stress headaches and was still forced to film through it. Definitely not in her best interests. Kate's all-consuming lust for filming cost her two of her kids, but I bet she still doesn't see that. Would it have killed her to make the kids' well-being the priority over filming them? No, not at all. But she didn't, and it's not because she didn't realize it. She explained away Hannah's stress headache as "just a Hannah thing" so she knew how bad it looked to drag her out in public and force her to film when Hannah was in pain. But filming was more important. That is one cold, uncaring mother. She certainly lost her way a long time ago, and she lost her ability to prioritize her kids' well-being. No motherly protective instincts at all.
Also the times she took them to boat rides knowing the kids were going to get sea sick, but who cares if she loces it?
Nan
Layla, that's true. She also made Joel go shopping for luggage when he had a stomach ache or back pain, and of course Collin and the constipation. Her need to shop overrides her kids' comfort. Need to film, really- look at the vomitfest on the boat episode!
The vomit fest was beyond belief. She actually seemed really excited when she was talking about it. And then, not content with torturing them once, she dragged them out deep sea fishing again in Florida. So many different things over the years. Leaving her very sick children with Jodie to go get Jon's hair plugs was also unbelievable. Or is to any other mother on the planet.
Layla: Wouldn't a GAL for Hannah hear of the horrors of all the kids' lives and be bound to act?
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It's complicated, but only in extreme situations would GALs really get involved with siblings.
They're not mandatory reporters in ANY jurisdiction, child abuse reporting is left to people like social workers. That's because children need to feel trust in their GAL that they will not run and tattle everything they say. Children need to feel like they have confidentiality with this person so they will be forthcoming with them and then the GAL can best advocate for their interest. And like I said I think she only represents Hannah and possibly Collin, so she would really only be hearing second hand what else is going on in that house.
I would only report things to the judge with my client's full permission and it could be hard to get that, and my duty was to the child not to other kids even siblings, so the focus is on that, avoiding the distraction of worrying about other kids you don't represent and have never talked to. There's a dozen ways to protect the child without directly reporting things to the judge, so don't get the impression GALs stand idly by. That's not what I'm saying.
I recently rewatched the episode where all the kids made Kate breakfast for a supposed mother’s day surprise. Kate said the kids were upset in the past when Mother’s Day would fall on their birthday. What normal kid would actually say that? Kids are normally self centered in nature and probably don’t give two figs about celebrating Mother’s Day. At the end of the show, the kids bring out the food. Kate eats and she gets massages from one of the girls. TLC tries their best by playing sentimental music in the background, to make it seem like this was a tender moment between all of them. Instead of Kate playing along with TLC, Kate speaks ad nauseum about how great that the kids aren’t fighting, but are sitting calmly “for once”
The positive person that I am tries to see the good in people. But there was ZERO tenderness and affection from her. Ice runs through her veins
They're not mandatory reporters in ANY jurisdiction,
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This is not true. They are mandated reporters in some states.
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Not if they are attorneys, and this one is. You can't compel an attorney to disclose attorney client privilege, it's a violation of ethics. I should have said GALs who are attorneys. I'm used to that being a given since all GALs in CA family court are attorneys. Even if a state makes them mandatory reporters, they have carve outs saying unless it would violate attorney client privilege. Which in my view takes away the whole "mandatory" aspect of it.
Anyone know if they're still officially filming this train wreck or has that actually ended? I just hadn't heard of any official announcement TLC wise I guess because Kate probably wouldn't want to announce that. The nauseousness of her claiming the kids love filming really doesn't square now with Hannah having moved to Jon's and such. I can't see TLC filming with just 4 kids. People have 4 kids all the time.
Radar is reporting, "Jana Duggar's Rumored Boyfriend Caleb Williams Pleads Not Guilty To Sex Abuse Crimes". Also, "He was ordered to have 'no contact' with minors."
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I am skeptical of the Janna Duggar rumor. First, because the Duggar’s don’t date. They court and the men have to fill out a 50 page questionnaire before they get Jim Bobs approval. The courtship is announced the moment it’s approved. Second, people keep speculating about Jana dating every time they see her in a picture with non family members.
Andrea
"Jana Duggar's Rumored Boyfriend"
He's not her boyfriend. That was denied, but he is a Duggar family friend.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/18/us/george-hw-bush-sponsored-filipino-child-trnd/index.html
George HW sponsored a child, anonymously, for 15 years.
This story is heartwarming yet makes me even more mad he was a victim of the metoo witch hunt last year. He was a good man, attacked.
GollyGee would have loved this story.
George H W Bush was a very humble man. It is a shame that he was accused of things by the MeToo movement. He did many things from his heart that he never made public.
Here's a new article with some quotes from Jon that I hadn't seen yet. What he says about Collin and Christmas gifts is sad (F-U, Khate):
www.intouchweekly.com/posts/jon-gosselin-is-spending-christmas-with-kids-hannah-and-collin/amp/
How’s This For A Gift? Jon Gosselin Gets To Spend Christmas With Hannah And Collin
Dec 19, 2018 11:31 am
Home for the holidays! Jon Gosselin is going all out this year after being awarded temporary sole custody of his 14-year-old son, Collin. According to the father, it’s his first major holiday with any of his kids in a while — and he couldn’t be more excited to celebrate. Of course, he’ll be missing his six other kids, but having Collin around now that he’s been released from his treatment center, plus his sister Hannah, is at least a pretty good start.
“I never had major holidays with my kids,” the former Jon & Kate Plus 8 star told Life & Style Magazine at WE tv’s Real Love: Relationship Reality TV’s Past, Present & Future panel on Dec. 11 in LA. “I always shared it with Kate and got them after the fact.”
But that all changed when Jon, 41, filed for full custody of Collin after Kate Gosselin, 43, sent him away to live in a facility for kids with special needs in 2015. The mother-of-eight has had primary custody of the couple’s twins and sextuplets since their nasty 2009 split, but Jon has been scoring some major wins lately. Earlier this year, he shared on Instagram that Hannah “permanently lives” with him, hinting that he has full custody of his daughter. And on Dec. 4, a judge ruled in his favor when it came to temporary custody of Collin.
“We’re trying to create new traditions that are ours,” reveals Jon about how he and two of his 14-year-old sextuplets are spending the holidays. “We started with the tree. The kids are doing their lists on Giftster. But it’s different for Collin because he really hasn’t asked for stuff in a couple of years. He says, ‘I don’t know what a 14-year-old boy wants.'”
One thing the father-of-eight would like for Christmas, though? A reconciliation with the rest of his children. “There is no co-parenting with Kate,” Jon admits about his tumultuous relationship with his ex. “It’s Hannah and Collin at my house and the rest at hers.” He’s also trying to respect his kids’ boundaries while still letting them know he loves them. “It’s hard to reach out to people that don’t want to talk to you,” Jon says. “If I knew they wanted to talk to me, then I’d be reaching out more!”
The kids are doing their lists on Giftster. But it’s different for Collin because he really hasn’t asked for stuff in a couple of years. He says, ‘I don’t know what a 14-year-old boy wants.'”
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This is HEARTBREAKING!
Why didn't Kate say to her boy, hey son, I love you, what do you want for Christmas? Your birthday?
Did she not even give this child gifts during his incarceration?
I doubt Kate sent Collin any gift or care package a normal parent would have the whole 2+ years. She even cut their one visit short. I wonder if she will contact him once he is out of the facility ? And what does it mean that none of the kids want to speak to Jon? Something is terribly wrong. I hope Jon keep trying.
At some point, the other kids will have to see Collin. Jon has pointed out they still keep in contact with Hannah. Will it be awkward and uncomfortable to be reunited with him after so long or will it be one big joyous reunion? Obviously, I hope it's the latter, but they haven't seen each other in years, as far as we know. Something tells me Mady won't be posting a sweet "8/8 reunion" pic on IG.
Collin was basically cut off from the world. That facility supposedly did not allow him access to TV/internet. No wonder he didn't know what he wanted for a gift. Poor kid.
In my not so humble opinion, the wrong person was sent to the treatment facility. I have no other explanation for K8 anymore. Just shaking my head.
I didn’t want to be right. EVERYONE here didn’t want to be right. Because that would mean that Collin was in such despair. Going thru exactly the anguish/ rejection that no child should ever feel. I have never felt such disgust for any human than I have for khate. But I thought she would know better.. I thought Tlc would know better. That Deanna /Jamie/ a camera person.. A TEACHER.... would know better. They ALL let this child down. Left him in a facility for YEARS! Not one single person in Kate’s circle questioned this move.. it makes me sick & also wonder what MONEY does to ppl. THEY WERE ALL profiting from Collin/plus other kids for years. Finally Hannah had enough & escaped. Collin deserves to be with the only 2 people who cared about him as a PERSON who unconditionally love him. I wish I was proven wrong.. years & years of my / your gut feelings were proven right... from AFAR no less. All the others up close DID ZIPPO. I really feel such joy that Collin & Hannah will now 14 years later will now have a beautiful life. ADMIN: sorry to post anonymous... I have mad respect for all who post here. Merry Christmas to all of you & your loved ones.
Kate used to make a big deal of giving Xmas presents to the kids while they were filming. But she won't give gifts to people who are of no use to her reality "career". Poor Collin. But Kate's never seemed to know what her kids liked especially the boys. I always thought gifts from her were bribes to go along with her.
Remember how Collin liked suits? Maybe he still does and maybe he'd love to get one from Jon.
It sounds like Collin was isolated from the outside world and not allowed to develop personal interests. I am happy that he is home with Jon and Hannah now.
Andrea
ncgirl #139:
Wow. I never considered how Collin would feel towards his other siblings when/if they all visit him now that he's with Jon and Hanna. Would he feel empathy for knowing what it was really like at "home"? Or would he feel abandonment just as his birth mother has clearly shown? I'm hoping it's the former and not the latter.
If given the chance, Joel and Aaden could catch Collin up on what 14-year-old boys like.I so hope the tups can reunite and with Jon
I wonder if Kate will post her usual pile of bribery gifts for the remaining 6? I highly doubt H and C will receive any special deliveries for Xmas from Kate going forward.
Just speculation, but I think the twins are materialistic and superficial,like Kate. They may look down on the fact that Jon doesn’t live in a McMansion and the fact that he seems ok with being an average Joe. Mady more so. She seems to bwlieve she’s the new Kardashian’. And I’m sure Kate keeps bribing them ( and probably the rest of them) with expensive gifts.. Kate once said “we have never felt the need to wear design clothing. Yet all the remains kids who live with Kate have been wearing Under Armour, Nike, and Michael Kors. Liar liar
Gigi Be (144)
You're right, Kate said in her interview with Bethenny that they don't wear the latest brands. But that, of course, is a lie. It's always been Gymboree, Peace, Love, World, Nike, UA, etc. The one episode of K+8 I have watched was when Kate took Mady and Cara boutique shopping. I have been to a couple of the shops they went to(with my niece), and those places are expensive! You can't get a t-shirt for less than $100 or a pair of jeans for under $200. They each got large piles of clothes, and Mady picked out a pair of Golden Goose high-tops that cost around $600. Kate kept encouraging them to get more, and she got a lot for herself, too. That one shopping trip cost thousands. But she always criticized the choices Collin made when shopping. Whether it was the shirt and tie he picked out, or the mother and baby bear he bought her--it was always wrong according to her. Then he was locked away in that facility for almost 3 years. No wonder he doesn't know what to get. I'm happy thinking of C doing all the fun things Jon does with Hannah. Just going out for a special birthday breakfast or for ice dream or tacos would be such fun for him. And he'll get to have birthdays and Christmas again. Thank God for Jon! Collin would have been a throw-away child without him.
Is Collin released yet?
I think that the last year that Collin was at home, and being abused so badly, he did lash out at the other kids. The last couple of talking heads he did with his brothers, they both sat squished at one end of the love seat as far away from him as they could get. Maybe a relationship between him and the others is something that will have to be slowly built up again once they see he can be trusted not to attack them now. He and Hannah always seemed get get along okay for some reason..maybe she tried to stick up for him against Kate the whole time?
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I didn't notice that, just that Collin seemed so drugged. I never really noticed any problems among the boys. I would have to re-watch and have no plans for that. Aren't most episodes unavailable on YouTube anyway?
Kate said Collin and Hannah did not get along. I think maybe this was because the two were the strongest of the tups and maybe rebelled against Kate. However Hannah did tell of Collin's abuse IIRC. I think they will get along well now. You could be right that H stood up for C and lost her Golden Child status.
Winsome (147)
Collin was only 11 when he was sent away. Kids that age fight, hit, push all the time, that's nothing unusual. I tend to think Kate sent him away because he got in the way of filming. Anyone who interrupts filming has got to go--she threw away friends, family, and her marriage for just that reason. Is it so hard to imagine she'd do the same to a child? This is not a normal mother who wants to protect her child's best interests, this is Kate. "Stand with me or stand against me", and if it was recommended that he not film--then he's standing against her. Time to go.
Formerly Duped (148)
Kate said C and H didn't get along, but Hannah really came through for Collin. She was always described as the leader of the tups, and as such, she looked out for Collin when nobody else would. She was the one who raised concerns with Jon about how C was being treated, long before C was sent away. She's the one who went to visit him with Jon, and she's the one looking forward to bringing him home and giving him a loving and stable environment in which to grow. And she sure doesn't seem afraid of him at all, which tells you a lot.
Layla, I just remember H and L being kind of nasty to both Collin and Alexis. But yes, she has matured into a caring sister who looked out for C's best interest. The childhood rivalry or whatever the issue, is in the past. Yes, siblings may squabble but usually do love one another- maybe Mady excluded from this statement!
@Formerly Duped I think maybe back then they didn't get along but im sure that both Hannah and Collin do love each other.The problem here is that we only saw scenes like collin getting into trouble for calling hannah ugly.I can't remember a scene where it shows the two of them bonding.I will admit that out of curiosity i wanted to see some episodes to see what people on here were referring to because i haven't watch the show in years but like you said,i can't find any website that features it without paying for it or virus websites which is annoying.
In a "he said, she said" between TFW and C, I'd believe him over her in a heartbeat. I wouldn't put it past her to have made something up to help get him out of the house. And then go to 10 specialists before finding the one who would recommend outpatient care. Remember how she was positively giddy when he left? That wasn't mother torn up about having to send her son away. She was THRILLED that he was gone. How else would you explain her raving about the tups' "best birthday ever" when one of them wasn't even there?
There is one clip on YouTube called Abracadabra where the boys put on a magic show and the girls heckle them and throw chocolate coins at them. The three boys seem fine all together and in the couch interview. Collin was fully participating. But you could see how nasty the siblings are to one another or a group against a group of them.
FlimsyFlamsy (152)
I would also believe Collin over Kate any time. Nobody who knows about the situation has said he was violent and that's why he was sent away, and nobody has actually said he was troubled except Kate. It is possible that filming overstimulated him, and she tried to correct that by medicating him (resulting in that vacant, lethargic look he had). When that didn't work, she decided he had special needs (those "special needs: meaning "can't be filmed") and sent him off so somebody could fix him. And completely put him out of her mind. Even in her pre-scripted monologues about Collin, from what has been reported, she never said she missed him. Just that they are always aware that he's not there. Well, duh. The only ones who seemed to miss him were viewers. And Jon. And she was vile enough to hide his whereabouts from the only support system he had left. Evil.
I don't think there was anything wrong with him other than being bothered by filming. That's why Kate said there was a "fairly fluid diagnosis" as to what was wrong. A child is not going to be removed from his family and institutionalized without a definitive diagnosis. Insurance certainly won't pay for it without a diagnosis. She found some kind of boarding-type school she could send him to far away from her and probably had to pay for it herself, although it would be worth it to her to be able to film without him. I doubt she will ever willingly see him again. If he can't help her stay on TV, he is of no use to her.
Mady doesn't understand if it weren't for the tups she wouldn't have a private school, big house, boutique clothes, trips, and awn and awn. Even when they were small she would be hitting and kicking them. Nothing was ever said to her about this. She would slam doors on her mother and the little kids. I hope she figures out that isn't a good way to live or treat others.
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Gigi Be (144)
You're right, Kate said in her interview with Bethenny that they don't wear the latest brands. But that, of course, is a lie. It's always been Gymboree, Peace, Love, World, Nike, UA, etc. The one episode of K+8 I have watched was when Kate took Mady and Cara boutique shopping. I have been to a couple of the shops they went to(with my niece), and those places are expensive! You can't get a t-shirt for less than $100 or a pair of jeans for under $200. They each got large piles of clothes, and Mady picked out a pair of Golden Goose high-tops that cost around $600. Kate kept encouraging them to get more, and she got a lot for herself, too. That one shopping trip cost thousands.
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Layla, I've only seen parts of episodes here and there over the years, and I've never seen that one. But, based on what we know about TFW, I don't for one minute think she paid for a single item on that shopping trip. If it was filmed for an episode, TLC paid for it. It's just like the many Party City trips she used to do for episodes. She didn't care what she was spending, because it was all on TLC's dime.
Formerly Duped (#153), I bet TFW relished showing chaos and division in her house. Instead of being embarrassed by it, I think she was happy to let the world feel sorry for her having to put up with all that ALONE (RIP, Jon).
I wonder if K8 insists that all the kids call her "mommy" instead of "mom" even when the twins were 16 and the tups were 13. I know that it's dependent on the individual family, but it just reminded me of the movie "Mommie, Dearest" where Tina continues to address her adoptive mother as "mommie" even when she's an adult. It's that control thing again, I bet.
Admin, I was looking over the old posts and just wanted to say that you exercised extreme professionalism and self-control when that boob Steve (aka Ratclaws) physically ushered you away from K8's book signing. Wondered what he would have done if he knew you were a lawyer!
Admin, I was looking over the old posts and just wanted to say that you exercised extreme professionalism and self-control when that boob Steve (aka Ratclaws) physically ushered you away from K8's book signing. Wondered what he would have done if he knew you were a lawyer!
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Run off to that broom closet where Kate was hiding earlier and cry?
I think the best part of that whole thing was when I reported that literally nobody was there, and the sheeple said I was lying, and then months later when the episode aired Kate was indeed crying because nobody was there. So, I told the truth, per Kate.
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I watched that episode specifically because I have shopped at those places, and was shocked at the amount of stuff they got, knowing what those things cost. Kate was gushing over a leather tote bag, and an aunt who watched that season said she was carrying that tote in the date episode. Probably a $350-400 tote bag. So the sky was the limit for that shopping trip, yet at the beginning of the episode she took the tups to what looked like Boscov's and was nickel-and-diming everything. She didn't want to buy water bottles for the kids, refused to get something for Alexis even though Leah got something (Kate said she didn't care about being fair because "being fair wastes money"), and immediately asked if the shoes Mady wanted were on sale or if there were any coupons she should know about. And then, in the same episode, she's splashing out on high-ticket items for herself and the twins. The store name on the Boscov's bags was blurred out so I'm guessing she had to pay for that trip, while the boutique stuff was grifted. Even when M&C were tired of shopping and didn't want to look any more, she was pressuring them to get more and more. Good grief, what a greedy pig she is.
It's a shame that he felt it was acceptable to grope women. It seems that he was a kind man in many regards, but that doesn't absolve him of responsibility for inappropriate behavior.
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What part don't you understand about the man being senile? Long before this ever came to light George W. wrote in his dad's biography his father is so senile he has no clue what is going on anymore.
It's really sad you still want to trash him for that. The story died as quickly as it started because everybody else has a heart.
Layla (#160):
Even when M&C were tired of shopping and didn't want to look any more, she was pressuring them to get more and more. Good grief, what a greedy pig she is.
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Sustained. That's what happens when someone leads an empty and unfulfilling life, at least judging from K8's need for material things and treating her own children like possessions rather than individuals. People like that tend to fill that emptiness with material possessions rather than the things what will last. It's now all about HER unfilled desires, HER needs, and HER ambitions. Her marriage and children were simply casualties along the way.
Has anyone else noticed that none of the recent stories about the Gosselins mentions the dating show? Not even People. They always had a blurb near the end of each story about it, but not anymore. Maybe that's because fall is officially over and it'd be ridiculous to claim it's airing in the fall, but you'd think they'd at least say it was upcoming. But there's nothing, at least not the most recent stories.
I have been thinking about Collins Christmas list. He said that he did not know what 14 year old boys liked. I wonder if he is afraid of being judged by his gift list. Kate was so mean he gave her the bear gift. I expect things were worse off camera.
Andrea
Andrea (#164), great point. When you've been marginalized your whole life like C has been -- culminating in actually being removed from your home and family -- your sense of self worth must be either shredded or nonexistent. Jon will now have to help C rebuild it. I hope and pray C will come out the other end a strong, sane young man.
Argh! That mama+baby bear gift incident still makes me cringe. K8 has about as much awareness of other people's feelings as a tree stump. It's no wonder there's been nothing mentioned recently about her Fake Date show. I truly hope TLC has put the kibosh on that train wreck.
Here's a funny: I just send a question thru the 'contact us' at TLC asking them if kart's show is actually still a go or has it been cancelled? Expressed some concern that she has lost custody of two of her kids and the twins are over 18 and cannot be forced to film. The funny: lets see if they actually have the balls to answer me!!! Stand by, I will report back.... wanna take bets? Will they answer, will they be vague, will they say yes or no?
Sent a Question (167)
They'll give you the PC answer and say it's still a go. Until they announce a cancellation, that will be a party line. They still haven't announced the cancellation of Twist of Kate. I don't know why they're stupid enough to keep trying to sell a show with Kate, but they are and you can't fix stupid.
I hope Collin gets an iPhone for Christmas. Hannah can teach him how to use it (a bonding experience), and he can use it to keep in touch with his other siblings. He's going to have to learn to be like other kids his age and do the things they do, thanks to his evil mother locking him away for so long. But he's home now, he's in a loving environment, and he has a support system cheering him on. Jon would never criticize a thoughtful gift from him, and he won't shame him for dressing nicely. Collin is going to thrive. That makes me happy.
I know Collin deserves privacy and I had hoped the paparazzi wouldn't be sitting outside the treatment centre...but dawg gonnit....I want to know if the guy has been able to go home!
I hope he has a calm and amazingly loving Christmas!
TLC replied immediately. A Bot! Inviting me to buy their app to keep up with all their great programs. Nlt a word about the show.
Meagler (#169), I share your curiosity about C, and I know we both mean it from a place of caring and concern. That kid has been to hell and back, and deserves a joyful, peaceful Christmas.
Which reminds me of how for years TFW's supporters claimed she was a great mother because she provided her kids with a beautiful home. But I guaran-damn-tee you C would be better off living with his dad in a pup tent in a Walmart parking lot than to ever spend another night under the roof of that beautiful home.
@Layla If TLC is still keeping Kate,then i will say that them keeping her is the most bizarre thing that i've ever seen a tv company do.This show doesn't even give TLC 1 million viewers anymore and with all the stuff that has happen with the Gosselins,i question why TLC keeps her.At least with the duggar girls they draw in a decent amount of viewers.(Not to say that im defending them)With Kate,the dating episode didn't really give them the views that she probably thought they'd give her,so if they continue with this dating show,how would a show centering around her dating get them ratings if one episode didnt do that well?I remember there was a conspiracy around Kate and the duggars that some hater on twitter believed that Kate and even Jim Bob duggar probably has something on TLC if they seriously are keeping these two around.As for me,i don't know whether or not to believe it.
Maybe when that pervert guy..Blanken somehting... was caught filming the Gosselins and others, Kate made some sort of deal with TLC that she wouldn't sue if they continued to film her?
I am among those that think that TLC had contracted to film “X” number of episodes with TFE. Since there were only three in the last “season” TLC still owes her some on her contract. Now, the could pay out her contract but she might refuse that because, more than the money, she loves the fame. If she were to that a buyout she’d just be a #hasbeenbutstillwannabe Z lister from nowhere PA. She wants her mug on TV and she wants her glory days back. She’s ready for her close up TLC.
OMG! Winsomeone ----- your post makes total sense!!!!!! I never would have thought of anything like that, but we've always thought 'she must have something on them' if they kept filming a loser like her.... and I mean loser in both 'she is a loser' and 'her show is a money loser' for them....
I wonder if it will ever come out why they kept filming.... it boggles the mind. Perhaps when the kids are old enough to write a book and/or give interviews on their own without her knowing before hand.. she would surely try to stop them legally if she could, oh wait, after a bit she is going to be sooo broke with no money to sue, using her real estate lawyer.... since none others will take her case.... I have to wonder how many years before she sells the house and gets a job at McDs………...
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But Blankinship didn't work for TLC. He worked for a company that was subcontracted by Figure 8 to do the editing. I don't think "liability" would go quite far enough up in the chain to reach TLC. The guy never had contact with the kids, as far as we know, just with their images. Jon commented that he thought he might have met him once (which could have been anything), while K8 "never heard of him," or some such blanket denial.
But Blankinship didn't work for TLC. He worked for a company that was subcontracted by Figure 8 to do the editing. I don't think "liability" would go quite far enough up in the chain to reach TLC.
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I think TLC actually could be liable because you usually can sue all the way up the chain under the theory that they're just as responsible for their contractors as they are their regular employees. However, the bigger problem I see is that nothing "happened" to the Gosselin kids that we know of. Sure there was a child pervert working with their footage but there's no evidence he did anything at work. You can't usually really sue because someone MIGHT have done something wrong with your kids. They have to actually do wrong.
Of course, that we know of. I doubt they'd tell us if an internal investigation revealed he was stealing footage or acting inappropriately while working with the footage. Maybe they did find something he did that was inappropriate, and did cut a deal with Kate to let it go. Anything is possible. Although any deal I think is more likely just a simple quiet payoff.
Heres another article that I had not seen
https://www.etonline.com/jon-gosselin-excited-to-enjoy-the-holidays-at-home-with-son-collin-exclusive-115633
"He's doing really well," Jon shared, adding that Collin will likely have "some adjustment issues, just socialization-wise," with his move to Jon's home in Pennsylvania -- where he lives with his girlfriend of four years, Colleen Conrad, and her children --
Even though Colleen is not Collins biological mother, i feel more than confident she will be loving and respectful of him. And maybe she can become some type of mother figure in his life now.
“but that Collin is "so intuitive and so lovey dovey" that the transition shouldn't present a problem.
Aww! We knew Collin was always a loving and affectionate boy! It’s just repulsive how Kate has always pushed away Collin’s loving and affection that he ever showed towards her. He was never good enough for her! I’m sure that realization will hurt him deeply. But Jon has always recognized and has always put it out there that he is smart, intuitive, and sweet. Unlike Kate, who has had always labeled him as a stubborn handful who always challenged her authority. All the more reason that I’m happy that he’s going home with Jon.
It's also been a long time since I've posted, but I wanted to express how happy I am for Jon's son coming home for Christmas. It's wonderful, and my husband and I loved the pictures of C with Jon and H. Kristine101
Kristine101 (#179), another old time poster! Nice to see you.
Can you imagine how infuriating this all is for TFW? The woman who was arrogant and short-sighted enough to proclaim, "I'm in charge and that's never gonna change?" But possibly even worse for her is that she's also lost control of the narrative.
No more loosey-goosey mentions of her son plodding, plugging and chugging along. She hasn't even bothered to deflect with puppy pictures, or posts about endless gift wrapping.
I winder if a publication ban was implimented on Collins return to Jon s to help with the transition. Collin certainly will not transition well if paparazzi are all about.
How will her garbage men celebrate Christmas without all those sticky buns.
bm
Can we assume that Collin is home with Jon and Jon is keeping things private right now? I hope so to both questions..... I think in time we will see some
Instagram posts. What absolutely floors me is that she has not posted once, not even once about ANYTHING.... She is either gagged, livid or crushed. I vote for the middle one.
I hope Collins first family Christmas in three years is a happy one and he can begin to heal in a normal, mediocre home with people who love him and want him there...
Jon did not immediately announce that Hannah was living with him, so I am going to assume that Collin is home. I think it’s great that he is giving Collin privacy.
Andrea
Nothing from Kate but that old pic of her dog dyed pink. No huge pile of cinnamon buns, millions of wrapped packages, her huge Christmas tree? Wonder what is causing this silence?
M.
Why are there suddenly so many posts with temporary one time use names like the one I'm using for this comment? Maybe it's me, but I'd appreciate following Rule #1 for posting, (Pick a name and stick to the same name).
I'm not surprised that we've not heard anything regarding her unlimited wrapping, baking and preparations for her Christmas with family (hic) and friends (hic), Jon's getting custody for Hannah and Colin has totally floored her. I think she's finally getting it that she is not totally in control, and the older her kids get, they can finally make their own decisions. I'm glad Colin and Hannah are spending Christmas with Jon. They will be with extended family and friends, something they have never experienced with Kate.
Using a temp name makes a good subject line and is not meant to cause a problem...
I won't refuse to post temp names that are appropriate but please observe rule 1 as a courtesy. Pick a name and stick to a name.
https://premieredate.news/tv-series/2603-kate-plus-8.html
According to this article, Season 6 of K+8 was supposed to include Kate dating, with the kids having to approve potential suitors before she'd date them. I wondered what kind of dating show this was supposed to be. I mean, what is the "hook"? Is it just Kate going on random dates? A rip-off of the Bachelorette? No, it's the kids, just as we already figured. They'd have to approve these men, get to know them, probably have to do couch interviews and provide opinions and feedback. In that case, Jon refusing to sign for the kids to film would stop this show dead in its tracks. It was never going to be a Kate show. Everyone involved knew the kids would have to be part of the deal. Now, with 2 of the kids gone for good and everyone knowing she lost custody of them to Jon (and didn't even bother to fight for one of them), it's pretty much a guaranteed loser if it ever makes its way to TV. If they (TLC/Kate) thought there were a lot of uncomfortable questions about what happened to Collin, just wait 'til they try to pretend that the situation with both C and H doesn't exist. This could get ugly. I hope Jon hangs in there and doesn't allow them to bully him into signing for the remaining kids to film. It's time for the kids to stop carrying Kate. If she wants this, let her do it on her own.
One more thing: when you look up Kate Plus 8 on thefutoncritic.com, the status has always said, "on hiatus or fate to be determined". That's what it said last time I checked a couple months ago. Now the status had been changed to "canceled/ended" I wish I had watched more closely and seen when the status was changed. Was it after C's custody hearing? Earlier? I have no idea, but it changed at some point in the last couple months. Yay! Kate Plus Date is not even listed as a show on there.
Sorry for so many posts, but I found this:
http://www.thefutoncritic.com/devwatch/kate-plus-date/
According to this, the show was "previously in development". Previously? Not currently? Here's the write-up:
Kate Plus Date (WT)
With the sextuplets growing up and the twins thinking about college, it's time for Kate Gosselin to move on to the next stage of her life: Dating. The series gives viewers a fly-on-the-wall look inside the hectic world of dating as a single mom of multiples. In each episode, Kate, who is hesitant to jump into the dating pool but feels the time is finally right, gets paired with a different matchmaker that will hopefully help her find love. From psychics to genetic specialists to royalty matchmakers, Kate is willing to try anything to get the help she needs to find her perfect man. Kate tries to discover love again, and experience dating for the first time in more than 18 years!
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Sounds boring and sickening at the same time.
Layla (#192), yeah, that is one creepy description. Good grief, it's bad enough TLC used those kids as lab rats for more than a decade. But for their mother, with her eyes wide open and a bunch of damaged relationships in her wake, to sign on the dotted line to continue her children's exploitation into their teen years is sickening.
Forget the fake McDonald's job claim...what about that desert island she swore she'd move to when the kids got older, and no one cared what they were doing? I hope it's a one-way trip, and she only books one ticket.
“Kate, who is hesitant to jump into the dating pool but feels the time is finally right“
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That quote is laughable. TFW has been chomping at the bit to do this for years. The time is right because she’ll be getting paid and getting her mug on TV. TFW will never be able to carry a show on her own and if the kids can’t/don’t film I don’t think it will ever see the light of day.
Well, we are half way there... no more kart plus 8.what we have been waiting for!!!
Now that futon critic needs to let us know When the date show is cancelled....
Oh, BTW, 186, I guess I will pick "temp name" for my posts.....
Thanks Layla...interesting info. Kate appears to be so subdued. But what mother in the world would not be thrilled in her soul that her child is being released from inpatient treatment? Is she really only able to be truly happy when she is filming? That is scary and TLC should see the pathology there.
M. (always M)
M. (#196), such a terrific point. TFW claimed she sent her son away so he could be the "best C he could be." Well apparently that goal was met in treatment and he's been released. Where is the joy? The relief? The pride? There is none. Because she hates her ex more than she loves her kids.
So let's get this straight: braces removal rates a party, but the return of a child away for more than 2 years...crickets.
I find it disturbing that Kate and TLC want to have the kids have any part of the date mess. It’s sick to think that they are ok with this. That can not be good for them mentally or emotionally. A revolving door of potential dads is never healthy.
Andrea
@Layla I always believed in the theory that she was preparing for a dating show to find a jon replacement.The problem here is that i can't see any guy signing up for this,even if the guy wasn't just an actor and really wanted to marry her,not because of the kids since clearly Jon has no problem finding girlfriends.Especially ones that seem to be nice and normal like collen.So what does that say about Kate?
As I wrote above, the status of Kate Plus Date is listed as "previously in development". Not currently, but previously. Development is listed as "ordered to series". No studio information, no crew information. If you type in "Twist of Kate", the information is exactly the same. "Previously in Development", "ordered to series", and no crew or studio information. Twist of Kate never saw the light of day. There are 43 related shows listed, which were all new projects announced by Discovery on April 10, the same time as Kate Plus Date. All but 4 of them have already aired, are airing right now, or have starting dates listed in the next few weeks. I wonder if the remaining 4 shows were abandoned along the way for various reasons. I have never heard of them, never seen ads for them, and there have been no updates on any of them.
Much like Kate Plus Date, Twist of Kate was announced, filming of one episode was observed, and it was never heard of again. Coincidence?
The Futon Critic seems to always have very accurate, up-to-date information on upcoming shows. They were the first ones to announce the 10th birthday special, the first to announce that it was made into a 2-part special, the first to announce new seasons and the number of episodes each season would be.
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