More of the judge's wise comments:
"Based on the limited information available - and in large part because of Mother's and her counsel's repeated failure to provide further information to Father, the guardian ad litem, and the Court - the Court concluded that involvement of the children in filming is not in their best interests....Though several of the children indicate they enjoy filming, one does not and is experiencing physiological symptoms apparently brought on by the general stress of the custodial disputes, and another is in a facility undergoing treatment for mental and emotional issues tied in part to the filming and fame. It is reasonable to be concerned that one or more of the children who currently claim to enjoy filming may at some point suffer negative consequences they cannot foresee now as young teenagers.
"As the guardian points out, even those children who do not participate in the filming may be negatively affected by the show continuing without them. Indeed, the statements of several of the children to the effect that they need filming to survive, that it is their normal way of life, and that it feels weird not to film, although apparently intended to make filming seem innocuous or positive, raise concerns in the Court's mind as to whether continued filming is healthy for these children. Having a staged second birthday is hardly the normal activity that would occur absent filming....Taken altogether, the Court was faced with limited information, failures by Mother and her counsel to provide more information, real concerns about the mental and emotional effects of filming, and no way to determine whether those concerns are offset by the financial 'benefits of filming. The Court, therefore, concluded filming was not in the children's best interests.
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I'm watching the new season of Dancing With The Stars, and it's terrific! This discussion had made me think about when The Former Mrs. Jon Gosselin was on, and one week she talked about "eight little friends" visiting. There may have been a blurry picture of the kids shown. usually family and friends are shown in the audience, I remember the children were NOT shown on camera, I don't think they were in the live audience at all. that made me wonder, what was the point of them coming to Los Angeles? I'm wondering if even then, did the DWTS production company have doubts about filming the "eight little friends"?
about DWTS, Hannah Brown the Bachelorette who dumped the final rose guy, is TERRIFIC! James Van Der Beek is great and his wife and FIVE children come to cheer him on each week. Sailor Brinkley-Cook is like a twin to her mother Christy Brinkley, her mother had a bad wrist fracture needing surgery in early rehearsals and Sailor took her place, she's wonderful! Kate Flannery dadd on The Office and she is having great fun doing the show. even Sean Spicer, who has all the rhythm of a slug, is enjoying himself, working hard, and doing his best. unlike TFMJG, the shopping Kart!
Tonight is the season premiere of the Duggars. You know, the family that isn't a TV family -- just a family that's on TV. Um, when you invite a TLC camera crew to film your grandma's g.d. FUNERAL, you just might be a TV family.
I think Kate was at her very worst when she brushed off Collin's thoughtful gift of a bear as "weird". I don't think I will every get over that.
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For me it was way back in the old house. Kate was in the basement with the 'littles' tidying the toys. She was super pissed and most of the kids ignored her. In fact when ever she picked up a toy she just called attention to it and that became the toy the kids wanted to play with. She went on endlessly about how no one was helping her. Then the camera focused on Collin who was helping all the time Kate was complaining. The expression on Collins face was so sad and complicated. If no one was helping and he was helping, did that make him nobody? That's the one I can't get over.
For me I think it goes back very far too to the time Collin was so uncomfortable and not feeling well in the bed store. Kate’s lack of empathy for him was chilling.
For me I think it goes back very far too to the time Collin was so uncomfortable and not feeling well in the bed store. Kate’s lack of empathy for him was chilling.
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Was this the episode where Jon had to take care of an impacted kid while Kate shopped? If so, this was literally the first (and last) full episode I saw because even at around 20 years old in the height of Aughts-Media I thought, “none of this should have been filmed”.
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Admin (#4), the poor little thing was writhing in pain on her lap and she compared him to an antelope and passed him off to his dad. If she was that callous with cameras rolling, how awful must she have been to him behind closed doors? Oh wait, we already know...she wrote all about it in her journal.
pym (#4), nice to see you. There's a great quote attributed to both Phyllis Diller and Erma Bombeck, so I'm not sure who actually said it. But it's something like, cleaning up after your kids while they're growing up is like shoveling snow while it's still snowing. If this nitwit was picking up every little mess they made while they were still playing, then she was the dumb one.
Why not let them have fun and do a quick cleanup during their 4-hour nap? Or while their father bathed all 8 kids and put them to bed? Or when they were all asleep?
But we're all forgetting something. She HAD cleaning help. And shopping help. And Catherine providing meals (remember that name?). And Aunt Jodi taking all 8 every Friday morning.
And Nana Janet babysitting. And Nana Beverly doing laundry. The cleanup "storyline" was geared to have John and Jane Q. Viewer say,"Wow, that poor woman has EIGHT kids -- how does she DO it?" so they'd continue watching. And they did.
I think I mentioned it before but, prior to their breakup and divorce, I had no idea who the Gosselins were. I only got to "know" them when their pictures were all over the covers of magazines at every checkout counter I visited. I'm not familiar with their show prior to that but appreciate reading about the remembrances of others. So for me, TFW's dismissal of Collin's thoughtful bear gift was the most callous thing I saw. How hurtful it must have been to his tender little soul.
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For me I think it goes back very far too to the time Collin was so uncomfortable and not feeling well in the bed store. Kate’s lack of empathy for him was chilling.
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Also the time when Kate was with the kids at Party City and they were choosing Halloween costumes. Kate has made it clear that none of the costumes would be scary, yet had a massive careful of bloody eyeballs, skeleton decor, etc. Collin told her that there was a particular scary costume that he wanted. Kate looked at him with such incredible anger in her eyes and repeated that he would not have a scary costume. Collin was staring straight ahead and she jerked his head up and said “ look at me while I’m talking to you” .
Collin then said “ ok I’ll get &&&& instead”. Kate replied “ that’s a good choice” .
Even then it killed her that Collin had spirit and his own ideas. And it frustrated her that she couldn’t break him.
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Flimsy, good summary of those early days. She also had someone babysit while she grocery shopped, Carla to put away the laundry and clean up messes, Ashley to come over when she was stressed out, Beth to take the kids overnight and another couple of friends, fans to send gifts on top of solicited ones, then the TLC ones and those grifted from companies, and JON did most of the hands-on care of all the kids. Tough life.
I do remember she said she wasn't "the bath giver, Jon was the bath giver."
This strikes me you know being a mother all these opportunities that time you spend with your children when they're newborns and babies and toddlers and opportunities to you know, bond with them. You bathe them, rock them to sleep, take them for walk, hold their hand, take them to the store show them fruits, vegetables, individual time, or two at a time, whatever. Even something so simple as you wipe their nose you know it's time that YOU get to spend with your child. They might never remember those moments but you as their mother or their father, their grandmother you will perhaps. Those conversations, those laughs.
All that help that Kate seems to need. I don't think it was solely because she had just all those children and was overwhelmed. I am starting to look at this now as she needed all that help because perhaps just LIFE in general and daily tasks and things perhaps just doing anything and everything overwhelmed her. Just being purely lazy and running errands, then coming home unloading, cleaning, laundry, working I think doing it ALL on her own? Just is too much for HER and the children just became the excuse and the added bonus for her reason of being exhausted. Sounds like prior to having children she could have just been pawning her needs, work and such and such on other people even before having children.
Kate very well just may have all along been this type of person and it may have gone unnoticed but having all these children just became convenient to lay around having people do for her more then previously. I find it very hard to believe she could have gone through life being a doer then go to being a non-doer just because she had children suddenly it doesn't smell right to sit around because she got helpers.
Hi Flimsy. Yes, even at that time I was sure she was assigned the task by the producer and that probably had something to do with her foul attitude. However, the kids wouldn't have known any of that.
For me I think it goes back very far too to the time Collin was so uncomfortable and not feeling well in the bed store. Kate’s lack of empathy for him was chilling.
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Oh yes, she was horrible to Collin, no doubt about that. But Kate was also mean to the other boys too. Remember poor Joel, sick as can be, made to sleep on a cold laundry room floor? He stayed on that floor, shivering and alone, until his father came home from work and got him. Or how about the time Aaden was beside himself, hysterically crying because he wanted to go out with Jon to the grocery store? That witch stood by and allowed a camera to come into his bedroom while he cried "alone"; that cameraman zoomed in on his sobbing face as he hugged a stuffy and called for his daddy.
Collin may have gotten the worst of her wrath but all the kids, and especially the boys, were abused in some way by her.
Just read in People that there’s a new large brood in town. TLC is premiering Welcome to Plathville, a show featuring a 9 kid family who live pretty sheltered lives. Guess Kate & her 4 are looking pretty mediocre now, huh?
This strikes me you know being a mother all these opportunities that time you spend with your children when they're newborns and babies and toddlers and opportunities to you know, bond with them. You bathe them, rock them to sleep, take them for walk, hold their hand, take them to the store show them fruits, vegetables, individual time, or two at a time, whatever. Even something so simple as you wipe their nose you know it's time that YOU get to spend with your child. They might never remember those moments but you as their mother or their father, their grandmother you will perhaps. Those conversations, those laughs.
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What you're describing is put simply, bonding.
Children don't remember the specific bath or nose wipe or the millions of other times a parent cared for their needs. But the child bonds. He bonds deeply, he feels secure, loved, and cared for. He forms trust with Mom and Dad that will continue for the rest of their lives through thick and thin. There are numerous studies about bonding now that show it's even more crucial than we realized, and quite fragile.
I have serious questions whether these kids were able to form a healthy and secure bond to Kate because of what you said and more, and the damage can now be seen years later.
I worry about the lack of bonding as well. She didn’t have the luxury of having loads of one on one time but there were many things she could have done. Like lay in a big bed with them reading books, coloring together, crafting, riding bikes, etc etc etc.
I worry what will happen to them as adults, will they start to develop mental issues? The reason I say that is from my sons ex, she was borderline personality, it’s such a scary mental issue! One of the reasons teens start developing it is not properly bonding with the parents and feeling abandoned. The ex was such a great manipulator! (Maybe Kate has a bit of it) luckily a judge saw through her BS and gave my son custody, after reading a psychological evaluation he had done on her. She can only have supervised visits. I wish Jon would have an eval done on Kate, I think that would help him a lot!
Layla congrats on the baby! Such exciting news! Grand babies are so much fun, spoil them, and send them home!
I always found it odd, from time to time when I would catch bits and pieces of the show it would come on in my house--the television is on as background noise and I'd hear things like "on this episode of Jon & Kate plus 8," that the children would be filmed saying or that Kate said once she didn't like to refer to her life in "seasons," but yet she had no problem clearly allowing her children to refer to their "real" lives as an "episode?" An episode is something on a television program not your real life so for me that just put this family in the context as in sure Kate tell yourself that none of these trips are planned and that you're not being filmed like a television program in some way.
I did find the one episode because that's what these were episodes not their real lives judging by her own admission of birthdays the one that bothered me the most was her one statement where she said, "I guess I just kind of wish that you know my normal little kids would you know be totally normal." This was in reference to the fact that her son Aaden needed glasses.
That one just floored me all to bits. It just seemed truly a bizarre thing to say that she felt that essentially her son was now not normal. It seemed very cold and incredibly wrong. I felt then that there was indeed something wrong with her for her to say that on camera never mind what she would say OFF camera.
Heaven forbid one day her vision is not as well and she'll need glasses. Don't few of her other children now need glasses? I haven't paid that close attention to notice, are they now not normal? Is her son still not normal? That was just wrong.
The episode where Collin gave her the momma bear and the baby bear broke my heart. That was the only thoughtful, original gift she got. The rest of the kids put zero thought into it, but Collin had to get that bear because he understood it's meaning. If you never noticed the difference between Collin and the other kids, you did in this episode. He seemed to actually care and the others just wanted out of there. She will understand that when she is old and alone because none of those kids are going to care about her. The idiot threw away the one kid who would have been there for her if only she could have loved him. When her delusional fans call her "momma bear" I always think of how cold hearted and downright vicious she was towards his gift. She did not deserve that as a gift because she is certainly no "momma bear" and never will be.
Anonymous, comment #1, I am with you about that bear. It brings tears to my eyes. He was so proud and it was truly a gift from the heart...it showed how much he treasured their time together one on one (as rare as I’m sure that was) and she was so cruel.
If you never noticed the difference between Collin and the other kids, you did in this episode. He seemed to actually care and the others just wanted out of there. She will understand that when she is old and alone because none of those kids are going to care about her.
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You’re absolutely right. Collin is the kid who will come home early from college because mom is having shoulder surgery and he doesn’t want strangers caring for her. He’s the type to move back in, wife and kids and all, when he’s 50 to care for her so she doesn’t need to go into a home. He’s the kid who would handle her affairs when the dementia sets in and make good decisions on her behalf. She will find these other kids will pretend they didn’t get her text or are just too busy with their own families to be invested in any of this. She tossed away the most loyal and dedicated of all eight and the one who would have saved her hide in a pinch.
Instead it will be Jon benefiting from a son like him in his old age, and that’s the sweetest karma.
Bubbles (#20), and she had a chance to redeem herself during the couch interview. Maybe think better about that callous, hurtful reaction to her obviously tenderhearted son. But no. She still thought it was a weird gift. And so help me, I believe she got off on disappointing him. Some kind of displaced rage at Jon, perhaps?
Blue Jay, I don't know if you watched the early seasons when she proclaimed "Our life is the show and the show is our life". That summed it up for her right there.
Re: Beargate, when I saw that episode, I tried to make sense of it. I wondered if she was worried the other 7 might think that was weird that he gave her such a personal gift so she said where’s the other 7 (bears) so the others wouldn’t feel he was special. But knowing what we do about Colins institutionalization, it was truly a dick move on her part. Asshole.
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Sandylove, no I hadn't really, I missed that statement. How awful.
Just like I never watched this beargate episode everyone talks about. I truly can't imagine why she just couldn't have fallen in love with a thoughtful individual gift from Collin. As in just from Collin. For who he is and the thought he put into it. What the heck is so important about needing 8 of everything? That's speaks volumes on how creepy her mind is.
Have respect for your child as individuals. But quite clearly her mind does not work this way. Your life is not a show. Eye roll inserted.
The jonkateplus8forever Instagram page posted several pics of Cara, celebrating her birthday with several friends while out on the town in NYC. The college life looks great on her and she looks to really be enjoying her freedom. I’m hoping that both C and M come to the realization of what Kate truly is, now that they are out of that environment. Maybe they’ll have a clearer head and it’ll confirm even more so that Kate was the toxic one.I can see Kate pestering them with texts and calls multiple times a day, since they are on their own.
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It's true. In the couch interviews Collin was always Mother's cheerleader, like when they were asked if they kissed her, if her cooking was good, if she was funny etc. Collin always was 'yes!"
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Kate made the "We don't live our life in seasons" remark to make Jon look bad. He's the one who mentioned a certain season. At that point she'd say anything if she thought it would make her look superior in some way. Yet she was all about episodes and seasons later on, wasn't she?
I also cringe when I think of Kate's reaction to Collin's gift. I think she always thought of the kids as a set, and had o interest in them as individuals. She couldn't comprehend the idea that Collin was an individual and had thoughts and feelings independent of the others. It seemed weird to her, and that's why she said that. I'm so happy that he now has a mother who loves him as an individual, not just as part of a set. And he can openly love and appreciate Colleen without fear of rejection. He is worthy of so much love and praise and adoration. the thought of him now getting what he needs from his family unit makes me happy.
Thank you all again for the well-wishes for the baby. He's a week old now, and he is so sweet and snuggly and lovable. He was here this morning and I just can't bring myself to put him down. I can't imagine life without him!
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Heaven forbid one day her vision is not as well and she'll need glasses. Don't few of her other children now need glasses? I haven't paid that close attention to notice, are they now not normal? Is her son still not normal? That was just wrong.
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Ah but in Robert's book IIRC Jon was offered Lasik eye surgery and Kate promptly asked for her to have surgery as well. In the tummy tuck episode she actually is wearing glasses. I will look it up and post the direct quote and page.
I never saw the Beargate episode, but do remember in the very early seasons, the episode where Jodi gave the kids gum and Collin got it on his bear. Kate was hell bent on tossing that bear right in the trash "That'll teach him." I remember her grumbling. I can so vividly remember Collin bawling and repeating "teddy bear is my buddy" while Mady, in a rare moment, did her best to stand up for him.
And then of course this exhange...
Mady: Peanut Butter?
Kate: ORGANIC peanut butter, no less!
As if TFW ever paid for anything they had!
I believe beargate took place in Mexico when TLC sent them all there for TFW’s 40th. Collin was so proud of himself when he was able to bargain with the shop owner to get the price down on the mama bear and cub statue to a price he could afford and he was so excited to give it to her. She brushed him off because he didn’t go along with the turtle (I think) theme that she’d decided on.
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I think she always thought of the kids as a set, and had o interest in them as individuals.
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I agree. And even though she has twins and sextuplets, I don't recall her EVER referring to them as such. The sextuplets have always been "the little kids". The Hayes sextuplets are close in age to the Gosselins and I bet Betty and Eric don't call them "little kids" anymore.
From Dmasy -- Not exactly OT:
Hubby and I are on a trip. Yesterday we experienced a helicopter ride over and into the Grand Canyon.
Awe inspiring. Breath taking. I have some incredible photographs. We landed on a cliff and had the opportunity to walk near some dangerous edges. The sky was a perfect cloud-filled blue. The unbelievably deep canyon had a ribbon of the Colorado River twisting along the bottom.
(During our champagne snack, I asked the pilot if anyone had ever tumbled over the edge while taking photos. I don't know what I expected him to say. But, it was horrifying when he calmly responded, "On average about 11 people a year." Yikes.)
We were inspired by the astonishing wonder of nature. For a millisecond Kate and her Waste Of Space comment flickered through my mind.
Vapid woman.
So Kate popped up as trending on Yahoo...I clicked the link and when the Yahoo search opened there was a link for her Kateplusmy8.com website. It appears it has either been hacked or she was to lazy (cheap) to pay for the website and now it is just a bogus buy you cheap medicine page. I know she was to lazy to actually do anything to her page but at least she should have taken it down. Another failure added to her LOOOOOOONG list of failures
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I just clicked the link as posted on her IG page, and it went to her site. So, not sure what's going on.
This bear episode must have been around the time their "show/life" consisted of nothing more than just filming them going on trip after trip after trip. So no I never saw it. Very few families can afford to go on trips like that. It's not normal. So I don't know how Kate ever justified that as being "real reality." When most families that I know I don't know about anyone here they go on local trips with exception of you know if you spend years saving for a big one.
On another note, what's even the point of having her site even still up anyhow? Not like she does anything with it.
I see it when I do a Google Search. So maybe it was just hijacked there? I emailed Admin a screenshot of what I see on the Google Search
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Layla said... 28
Thank you all again for the well-wishes for the baby. He's a week old now, and he is so sweet and snuggly and lovable. He was here this morning and I just can't bring myself to put him down. I can't imagine life without him!
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Layla, congratulations!! Sorry to be so late, but I haven't been around much and I'm trying to catch up. What a wonderful time for your family. Enjoy every minute with your previous new grandson!
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Add that to the looonnnggg list of Kate's failures.
OT, but...sometimes I get so irritated with life in the DC area. The crowding, the traffic. I'm a Midwestern girl--I'm used to having some space around me. This morning I was pretty grumpy after fighting morning rush-hour traffic to pick up DH at Dulles. Sitting in the airport, waiting for him to clear customs, I happened to glance up when I heard a commotion and standing right in front of me was Desmond Tutu. I remember reading about him in social studies class decades ago. People were lining up to kneel and kiss his hand. And suddenly I thought...maybe living here isn't so bad!
On another note, what's even the point of having her site even still up anyhow? Not like she does anything with it.
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It’s still up in case you need information on how to “pre-order” her cook book! 😆 😂
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Oh I think I can save myself the money and effort and find those same recipes for free on any number of blogs, my own family cookbooks a few recipes anyway, Food Network recipes and such and such. That's how sad her cookbook really is.
I feel bad to admit I have in common with Kate that my family and I, started way back when my kids were little, doing that same sticky buns and cocoa thing for Christmas morning! Not sure I should feel sad or embarrassed or what.
And suddenly I thought...maybe living here isn't so bad!
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I know just what you mean! I'm from Indiana & can get anywhere I need to be in 20 minutes. But I did take a "bid city' job in Chicago & managed the food & bev in a concourse at O'Hare. Ran smack into Erma Bombeck, met Mickey Mantle, had to stand on a chair to see Mohommad Ali, (surrounded by much taller bodyguards and sat next to Andy Rooney who was exactly the same in real life as he was on 60 Minutes. It was great fun for several years, but I was glad to return home. (Just wanted to see what it was like for awhile)
BlueJay (#41), don't feel bad about sharing a tradition with TFW. You did it with your family on Christmas. She did it some time around Thanksgiving, or Halloween, or Labor Day, or whenever TLC filmed the Christmas episode. Because realest reality.
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I do enjoy the opportunities to people-watch around here, and see places of significance. I remember going for a walk with a family member and I had told hold him how much I admired Eunice Shriver, who started the Special Olympics in her backyard and nurtured it into a worldwide organization. He said we were going to take a long walk because he wanted to show me something. And when he stopped walking he pointed toward a house and said, "That's the backyard". I had no idea what he meant, and he said, "That was Eunice Shriver's house". My jaw just dropped. That was THE backyard! I had no idea. Now every time I drive by I pause for a moment in reverence.
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I think Kate was at her very worst when she brushed off Collin's thoughtful gift of a bear as "weird". I don't think I will every get over that.
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That scene during Kate's birthday trip to Mexico is what made me turn off the show for good. Her treatment of Collin & his gift made me feel physically sick.
I think she always thought of the kids as a set, and had o interest in them as individuals.
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IMO she always thought of the kids as a set, and had no interest in them.
I'd hate to wonder if Discovery or TLC had not come knocking on Kate's door--I did hear she pushed the promotion of her sextuplets--but if they had had no interest in filming the family? I mean she really would have been stuck with just these 8 children in middle of PA with well, all these children as she puts it struggling to "survive."
Does she not even know what "struggling to survive" really means? I mean that really strikes chord with me for personal reasons I don't discuss here. But it's pathetic she treats her children as a set. A set reminds me as you know a set of china, a set of your best earrings perhaps, a complete set of something that can't be broken up that you wouldn't sell because it matches. But not living breathing people. Least of all children.
Kate is one of 5 children. Did her parents treat all 5 of their children as a set? Even if they weren't multiples?
Maybe all the kids will collaborate on a book in the not too distant future, each with their own chapter(s).
Proposed working title:
We want you to know, Mother, these eight little faces, your multiple blessings, are surviving and thriving in spite of you, still searching for that love in the mix…
Has anyone seen Judy yet? An incredible screenplay and performances. It makes the case that Judy Garland’s hot mess of a life was directly related to the abuse and humiliation she endured as a child star. She was adamant her own children not become famous but that was not meant to be. It was a startling and deeply emotional film.
FOTK (#49), I love it!
Flight of the Kiwi...49. Perfect title!
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I'm disgusted with Megan. Standing in her designer heels in the poorest country in the world and she's all sad that no one asks how her day went. Holy first world problems.
Read this and it encapsulates how a lot of people are feeling now:
"Think of their plight compared to the teenage girls taking boxing lessons to fight off sexual predators who rape them with impunity. The tiny children in Angola who are still having their limbs blown off by land mines and the adults who have coped with mass killings and endless wars, not to mention a life without limbs themselves.
If you can bear witness to all of that misery and still stand in front of a camera, biting your lip or with a tear in your eye, as you complain that behind the ramparts your life is tough, then you are tone deaf to the concerns of real people and blind as to how you are perceived.
Harry and Meghan think that people are mean to them."
Harry was able to 'overcome' this. Until Megan came along. How selfish, how very American, how pathetic.
Just had to say something. I've second hand embarrassment for Harry. The Queen must be seething. Will you post this to see how others feel? I'm definitely not for being cruel to her but....she's playing right into those trolls'/media's hands.
I don’t think Harry and Meghan are out of line to be distraught over the press given that Harry believes they killed his mother. The fact that bad things are happening around the world doesn’t mean one is not allowed to have feelings. What I’m trying to figure out though is how they are getting so exposed to it. It’s very easy not to read the negative tabloids. I have heard Kate doesnt about her. I don’t, and had no idea there was any negativity until the press started reporting it as its own story. The letter to her father was an exception and unavoidable, but they’re handling that incident with a lawsuit at the appropriate parties. I would say by tipping their hand they do read it and take it all in that will only fuel the trolling and in the end was a very unwise move. But no I don’t think they are not allowed to feel this pain because others are in pain. That’s a very unhealthy way to ask someone to live. They are in pain but going forward must find a healthier way to cope or this marriage is doomed or worse.
bad optics, you don’t live it but you feel sorry for those in Angola (as do we all) and you still probably complain about your day to day problems (as do we all). The difference being is you’re not in the spotlight and Meghan and Harry are. Meghan and Harry are entitled to feel what they feel. The press has a hard on for Meghan and that’s not going to change any time soon. Maybe you should find a blog where the Royals are discussed exclusively.
Harry’s scared to death his family will suffer the same fate as his mother. His feelings are real and justified. I actually don’t think they should have said all that they did in this documentary, at the same time the British stuff upper lip has done no one any favors. Feelings are ok to talk about and to have. Forcing Diana not to express her feelings made her a caged animal. . And the interviewer was the one asking them about all these issues, they weren’t trying to bring it up. As far as I’m concerned this is just yet another example of how damaging fame at a young age is. Harry is broken from living all his private moments in the press. I fear the only solution at this point is to retreat permanently.
When the Gosselin kids express their feelings about their childhoods will those be considered first world problems? I hope not.
I was watching a show on Investigation Discovery, and Lt Joe Kenda came on. He was talking about how this is the last season of Homicide Hunter because he decided to end it and go out on top. He doesn't want to be the singer still standing onstage after they lost their voice. That showed such dignity on his part. He refuses to become some pathetic has-been. Contrast that with Kate, who has become a pathetic has-been and is still there embarrassing herself, begging for someone to film her while pulling in crappy ratings. Defying court orders in her desperation to stay in the spotlight, even though nobody wants to see her anymore. She has become so desperate to stay on TV that she has given up every shred of dignity to keep it going. She is everything Kenda refuses to be. He has class--something she gave up a long time ago.
One thing though, I think the Harry Meghan interview is going to scorch some major earth with the royal family. His brother and father especially. I think William sees Meghan as a huge mistake and liability and leading Harry astray. If they’re all okay with this, then there’s nothing those two can’t say.
We want you to know, Mother, these eight little faces, your multiple blessings, are surviving and thriving in spite of you, still searching for that love in the mix…
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Love the "Mother."
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Or maybe it should be Mother! ??? LOL
The admin Charlotte over at Mad About Meghan has some thoughtful commentary on this weeks documentary:
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Toward the end, Tom Bradby asked Meghan what the future holds. She took a moment before replying they are taking it "one day at a time". The couple will take family time away next month, when they are expected to travel to the US. I don't know what the future holds for Harry and Meghan. Seeing both of them so vulnerable, raw and hurt was heartbreaking. I would advise anyone to take a moment to pause and listen before leaping in to criticise them. I've said from day one Meghan never received a fair shot at this. Whilst the Sussexes are away, this is an opportunity for them to evaluate the best path for their family moving forward. It's also a chance for the royal family and the royal household to come together on their behalf - something I believe is essential now. "Never complain, never explain" will not suffice here. This is a baseless campaign of abuse and bullying. The human cost on Harry and Meghan must be addressed, because, should things continue as they are, we are going to lose two people who could play an invaluable, lifelong role in strengthening and modernising the monarchy. And that would be a crying shame.
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The difference being is you’re not in the spotlight and Meghan and Harry are. Meghan and Harry are entitled
Well you've got that right. They're certainly entitled. What with their nannies, designer wardrobe, travel around the world, gifts given to them everywhere they go.
Meghan can put a sock in it. Ridiculous. She has zero idea how a single mother working more than one job lives.
What I AM surprised at is the people who are buying this sob story. Go tell it to your bodyguard{s}, Megan. lol Or your personal secretary and assistant. Give me a break.
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When the Gosselin kids express their feelings about their childhoods will those be considered first world problems? I hope not.
If the Gosselin kids, at legal adult age, are LITERALLY treated like royalty {as Meghan is}, and are complaining that they can't 'live' but are simply 'existing', you bet I'll be one of the first to call them out. Come on.
PS - the Gosselin Eight have already been called brats here, by posters on this very blog, because they've had the best of everything. So.....yeah.
Treated like royalty isn't good enough for Meghan? She has access to the BEST psychiatrists/psychologists in the freaking world. She has access to the world's finest of EVERY little thing. And no one asks her how her day was?
Please. Us commoners are not that daft.
I hardly think the Gossellin children's saga can be compared wit Meghan Markle. They were toddlers when they were thrown into the lime light and suffered from the hands of their own mother and to this day are still suffering. Meghan is an adult and knew she would be under a microscope. Just like the rest of the royal family.
I hardly think the Gossellin children's saga can be compared wit Meghan Markle. They were toddlers when they were thrown into the lime light and suffered from the hands of their own mother and to this day are still suffering. Meghan is an adult and knew she would be under a microscope. Just like the rest of the royal family.
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I don’t think it can be compared to Meghan. I think It can be compared to Harry, who also was thrust into the spotlight against his will from birth and has suffered great mental anguish for it long before he ever met Meghan.
Bad optics, I’m gathering a lot of people share your sentiment. I’m afraid this doc has not gone over well with many. I think it’s different if your tax dollars pay for them. I don’t pay anything. I haven’t seen the full doc. It airs in the USA tomorrow. I still think all people need to be allowed the space to have the feelings they have and that the press has been unnecessarily brutal to them. But I honestly see both sides of this and it’s a sad situation that reminds me a lot of Diana’s frustration in her famous interview.
PS - the Gosselin Eight have already been called brats here, by posters on this very blog, because they've had the best of everything. So.....yeah.
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There are times the twins are ungrateful about their vip lifestyle. That’s been said. But no one here has ever suggested that they can’t be upset about the filming and fame of their childhoods because it resulted in this vip lifestyle. Quite the opposite, we have said ad nauseum all the perks are no compensation or fair trade. Being upset about being mistreated and exploited doesn’t mean you are being ungrateful and perks are not payment for mistreatment. That’s like saying a prostitute who makes great money should be grateful and not complain because look at all the money. Perks never justify immorality. Meghan should not complain about having to get up early, travel extensively, leave her baby with nannies, meet a ton of people and work hard with a busy calendar all the time. She doesn’t. What she can complain about is being brutally harassed by the press and made to feel vulnerable and afraid. That should not have to come with the job.
I just remembered one of TFW's nastier moments, and I'm hoping someone can confirm if it's accurate. They were all taking a long walk and one of the boy tups (A?) complained his feet hurt because he was wearing new cowboy boots. And his gestation carrier told him to "man up." Look, heifer, if you're not smart enough to make sure your cast members -- um, I mean children -- aren't wearing appropriate footwear for their episode -- um, I mean, outing -- then that's on YOU.
Yup, they were walking to a nearby farm and those boots weren't worn much or were too tight. Also somethng about Mother wanting another child to wear Hannah''s boots and she got upset. The kids drank SO much milk they didn't need dinner apparently and also perhaps didn't drink milk often- Mother said she only buys it when on sale
Bad Optics, I am with you.... there are many folks who think Meghan got just what she wanted and now is whining. Hard to have sympathy when the two of them have such a privileged life.
When you live on the taxpayers dime there are reasonable expectations of duty.
I don't think the show will have many sympathetic viewers here in the US.
The best thing probably would be for the two of them to disappear for a few years into quiet obscurity for the privacy they desire... the queen isn't going to put up with much more of this media frenzy because it is looking bad for the monarchy.
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I agree, it's definitely to the point where they need to leave the public eye and do some soul searching. They would be much less harassed in the U.S. as our laws about the press are much stricter than jolly ole England. I know Harry feels a tremendous obligation to carry on in his mother's footsteps, but happy wife happy life first.
As far as "reasonable expectations of duty" I thin that's the question, whether it really is reasonable to expect them to put up with racist harassment on a daily basis as part of the duty. Funny enough many people in the U.S. freak out over anything remotely racist, even if it's not really racist, yet when racism has actually been documented against Meghan it's just her duty. Not sure I'm on board with that.
There is no question she has performed her royal duties beyond expectations, she has done hundreds of engagements, raised millions for charity, was working well into her pregnancy on a variety of projects and came back from maternity leave long before Duchess Kate did for her three kids. It's clear she runs their extremely active Instagram largely herself. From what i've read lurking on a few other royal forums, it's not so much that people think they aren't allowed to have these feelings, but that they shouldn't be airing them so publicly. That's where I think they have a point and that it might not be so helpful to burden the public with this feud they are having with the media, given that the majority of the public has nothing to do with it and has been nothing but kind. Again, when they traced the negative comments on their social media down to the IPs they discovered it was only a small number of people posting over and over, and that the majority of interactions on social media were positive.
We'll see how the doc plays stateside, I heard these comments were just one small part of it and that much of it was about so much else.
One thing Meghan is right about, the grass is not always greener. Something Kate never understood when she pushed her kids into the spotlight. I guess what I can't work out is why Meghan thought the spotlight would be "fair." Even a cursory understanding of Diana's life would have told her otherwise. I didn't think she was this obtuse.
This is such hypocrisy. For years this blog has picked apart the Gosselin children. Every time it was suggested that the kids should be off limits, your response was "Kate shouldn't have put them in the spotlight," with no responsibility taken for your own words. By that logic, Meghan shouldn't have put herself in the spotlight so the press should be allowed to do as they please. You can't have it both ways.
It would be a lovely world if the tabloid press were less brutal, but ror Meghan to say that she didn't expect them to be "unfair" is ridiculous. Really?!? And yes, she is a human being entitled to her feelings, but there are places to express those feelings that are and aren't appropriate. If your marriage is in trouble, you don't bring it up at a staff meeting at work.
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1. the kids have not been "picked apart", almost anything said about the kids is in direct response to how Kate has parented and what behavior Kate has caused or allowed, and the blame has almost always been put on Kate.
2. not a single racist comment has been said about the kids, who are minorities. Harry and Meghan's main complaint is about racism, they have made that clear.
3. I never once said the kids are not off limits because Kate put them in the spotlight. Bullshit.
4. You have not seen all the comments I never published about the kids because I actually have drawn some reasonable lines, unlike the British press
5. Mady and Cara are no longer kids
6. We're not the media. Harry and Meghan have made is crystal clear over and over their problem is specifically with the media.
And I actually agree with you that I don't understand what on earth Meghan's comment is about expecting fairness. I also don't understand how she's getting so exposed to this all. I'm not questioning that terrible things have been said because I've heard about it, but I haven't even directly read it myself. If I can choose not to read it why can't Meghan? Don't have the papers in the house, block the sites from your computer, don't watch TV mindlessly just use streaming services, instruct others not to tell you about what tabloid stories are saying, and turn off comments on all social media including their instagram. Turn them OFF. It actually shouldn't be that difficult to avoid most of this. And at this point she must, it's tearing her up.
I think that Meghan has very effectively and with great calculation made herself the victim. She's a wily actress and while I agree she may have been hurt by some comments, she is not stupid. The old Hollywood saw about 'no such thing as bad publicity'... she has, in my opinion, very strategically created this 'woe is me, woe is my family' charade. If the victim charade plays out, she will have garnered great sympathy for herself and "H" as she calls him.
Meghan is a college graduate, a relatively successful minor actress and by all accounts, a very astute business woman. I don't believe she would ever let herself get beaten down. She is taking the lemons and making lemonade. I think she is carefully crafting the next stage of her marriage, career and business.
I don't believe for one minute she is sitting at home with a box of Kleenex. I think she is on the phone, taking meetings, talking with her non-royal advisors about how to turn the mess back onto the media.
I would be really interested in seeing how this post is received by the readers here.
Formerly Duped (#69), thanks for confirming that incident. Remember, the tups were pretty young, and had no on-set advocate to make sure they had food, hydration and breaks. Maybe that little boy's feet hurt because he hadn't gotten to sit down for hours. And for all we know, the kids guzzled that milk because it was way past their usual mealtime. Surely their gestational carrier had more important things on her mind than keeping track of her cast mate's needs.
I think Meghan and Harry's situation is unique. Harry saw and knows how the press tortured and were ultimately responsible for his mother's death. The intense focus on them seems unfair considering there are far, far worse scandals that could be exposed on the Royal family. I don't think the press would put such intense pressure on Harry and Meghan without "approval." They were offered up in exchange to protect other members of the British Royal family. They are a brutal bunch and will sacrifice anyone. Once the Queen's reign ends and Charles becomes king, the entire focus will shift . I think when that finally happens, the press will back off of Harry and Meghan.
The little boy had blisters on his feet with the cowboy boots on and he was in a great deal of pain. She didn't care, the filming had to go on and the child had to continue wearing the boots. Those kids were guzzling milk like an alcoholic. One of the little girls said they don't get milk all the time. She had her boxes of wine though.
I think Meghan and Harry's situation is unique. Harry saw and knows how the press tortured and were ultimately responsible for his mother's death. The intense focus on them seems unfair considering there are far, far worse scandals that could be exposed on the Royal family. I don't think the press would put such intense pressure on Harry and Meghan without "approval." They were offered up in exchange to protect other members of the British Royal family. They are a brutal bunch and will sacrifice anyone. Once the Queen's reign ends and Charles becomes king, the entire focus will shift . I think when that finally happens, the press will back off of Harry and Meghan.
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The press also has nothing to talk about really with the royals and so it's become the Harry and Meghan show because those two have been feeding the trolls since Harry made his first statement about the press while dating Meghan. Everyone else has kept their noses clean or if there is wrongdoing it's kept really discreet, like William's affair, possible affairs.
I think I wouldn't feel much sympathy for Meghan if she were actually doing something legitimately wrong. And I don't mean just, she rode in a jet plane for a vacation that was not paid for by tax dollars and was carbon offset. She is not rude, she follows through with her commitments, she does her job and works hard, she presents well, by all accounts she's a good mother who has kept almost all aspects of her baby discreet. If she's not right for Harry or manipulating him, I don't consider that any of my business, as long as she's not harming anyone doing it, like her child. She isn't doing anything that should be a concern to others wrong, which makes the relentless media negativity feel a bit like grasping for straws. The complaints about Kate Gosselin in the media, and here, were very specific, and very legitimate, about actual physical and emotional harm and exploitation to her children, and became a matter of public concern when official got involved. We gave nearly endless specific examples of what exactly we took issue with. There's just nothing remotely like that that can be said of Harry and Meghan, that would justify this level of scrutiny. They're not even elected, which would make it feel more justified. I'll admit this negativity does feel quite uncalled for, regardless of whether their decision to complain about it publicly was a good one, an issue I consider a separate issue. Where is the press going after Prince Andrew for his obvious relationship with an underage girl? Why does that get no attention, but Meghan just doing normal things like working up a piece for an issue of Vogue, or marrying the man she says she loves, is blasted in the press. I'm just not sold that any of this criticism is legitimate, especially when Prince Andrew slides through like butter.
I would note that Wendy Williams REALLY didn't like these recent statements. I respect her and her opinion.
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I heard these comments were just one small part of it and that much of it was about so much else.
I do hope most of this 'show' is about awareness in this third world country. But no one will talk about that. All the good they've done has now been overshadowed by this.
The Queen is NINETY-SIX and went to an engagement/event just last evening. She's had some pretty bad press, especially around the time of Diana's death, but not once have you heard that very privileged old woman COMPLAIN.
I kinda liked Meghan before she revealed herself to be too good for freaking ROYALTY. Very disappointed in her AND Harry. There was zero reason to mention his brother and their relationship. What was Harry thinking?? They {the media} will now never stop picking at that now. He fed right into them. Harry needs therapy for his PTSD. No shame in that. Hope he gets it.
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Harry and Meghan's main complaint is about racism, they have made that clear.
Not clear enough. The clips from their show say nothing about racism. In fact, she seems more upset that about "no one" asking about her day and that she's simply "existing".
Maybe she'll say more in the full show but I'm betting not. Meghan cannot read a room.
I do hope most of this 'show' is about awareness in this third world country. But no one will talk about that. All the good they've done has now been overshadowed by this.
The Queen is NINETY-SIX and went to an engagement/event just last evening. She's had some pretty bad press, especially around the time of Diana's death, but not once have you heard that very privileged old woman COMPLAIN.
I kinda liked Meghan before she revealed herself to be too good for freaking ROYALTY. Very disappointed in her AND Harry. There was zero reason to mention his brother and their relationship. What was Harry thinking?? They {the media} will now never stop picking at that now. He fed right into them. Harry needs therapy for his PTSD. No shame in that. Hope he gets it.
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That's the problem, the press doesn't want to talk about all of the incredible work they're doing in Africa. And it has been incredible, I've been following the tour. Doesn't that say more about what viewers appetites are for than anything else?
The queen never complains. The queen was also raised in a different time, when you couldn't take a moment to complain or you weren't going to make it. She went through WW2, served her country, and had rations. She lost her dad at age 25 and took on this role. She had no choice but to suck it up. The queen was raised in a time where you weren't allowed to have feelings, and that resulted in a lot of bad things to a lot of people over the years, including people so pent up with emotions they committed suicide. Not on board with stiff upper lip being the way to go. The queen is admirable in her stoicism and I think she's a role model and a hero, but not because she has a stiff upper lip. Having feelings is okay too. In fact even Prince William and Kate agree that mental health is neglected and that it's important to talk about how you feel. They have done a huge campaign with Harry about this for years and he and William talked at great length about how important it was to their mental health to talk about how they felt about their mother.
By the way, I'm personally a big believer, the biggest really, in sucking things up and I think we've gone way too far the other way with feelings. It's a balance. But I think Harry and Meghan's complaints here definitely fall on the side of legitimate and not just whining, especially when it involves racism.
I agree with you, Harry shouldn't have brought up William, but his actual comments were pretty benign. He said what anyone would say about their sibling, there are good times and bad times but we love each other. That comment is getting way overblown. For all we know he asked William if he would be okay if he said something to that effect and William was fine with it. Lots of comments are planned.
There is no shame in Harry getting therapy for PTSD yet they are told not to have feelings. That message seems a bit mixed. By the way Harry has already had extensive therapy, he's said so. I guess he needs more.
I agree, they're feeding the trolls. I think they're frustrated though, and although royal, still human, and sometimes humans can't help themselves and troll feed out of sheer frustration and exasperation. It's the human condition.
I am so frustrated they keep wasting good opportunities to bring awareness to their navel gazing.
If she has PPD (and she may have) this was such a good opportunity to address postpartum support and the impact on mental health. She could have tied this to Kate's early childhood initiatives and said women need access to mental health services while postpartum. She could have done some good.
If Harry is dealing with some mental health issues they could talk about how depression/anxiety don't know income. They could have tied this to the existing mental health initiatives the Royal Family already has. Said mental health support is imperative in a world obsessed with the 24 hour news cycle and social media. Instead they whined about themselves and made it all about them while sounding so insincere and wasted what could have been a very impactful interview. They did nothing but act like self-centered entitled brats.
If Harry is dealing with some mental health issues they could talk about how depression/anxiety don't know income. They could have tied this to the existing mental health initiatives the Royal Family already has. Said mental health support is imperative in a world obsessed with the 24 hour news cycle and social media. Instead they whined about themselves and made it all about them while sounding so insincere and wasted what could have been a very impactful interview. They did nothing but act like self-centered entitled brats.
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Harry has said SOOOOOO much about mental health and Meghan now too. He has talked extensively about his own therapy, he did a short documentary on it with William. You apparently don't know this because IT DOESN'T GET COVERED. If you want to know about it Mad about Meghan and the Duchess Kate blog are two good sources that cover it all, day to day what they do. And the vast majority of it has absolutely everything to do with charity and nothing to do with a few comments about themselves. They were asked specifically about the press and made a few specific comments, that's it. I don't see how launching into some mental health thing made sense in that moment. If she talked about postpartum which did she even have that??? she would be accused of making things all about her. It's all getting a bit overblown at this point. And that's the thing, they can't say a single thing about themselves or people freak out. If that's what people want out of their royals, to not be living breathing people with feelings, then so be it. It's not my country or my tax dollars.
Not clear enough. The clips from their show say nothing about racism. In fact, she seems more upset that about "no one" asking about her day and that she's simply "existing".
Maybe she'll say more in the full show but I'm betting not. Meghan cannot read a room.
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The summary of everything that's been said about them is a general consensus that it's mostly racist undertones if not overt, with articles like Straight out of Compton, comments about her straightening her hair, and constant remarks about them being an interracial couple when they would simply l liked to be known as a COUPLE without that label. They implication is also she wouldn't get this level of criticism but for her race, that no one else is is getting it like this so the only explanation is her race. Not saying I agree with that, because I'm not sure I do (it also could be because she is an American, a foreigner), but that's the consensus.
Harry specifically used the word racist when he issued his statement while they were dating. So yeah, I think the racism angle has been made clear but I totally acknowledge I've probably followed this more closely than the average viewer to know this.
He has talked extensively about his own therapy, he did a short documentary on it with William. You apparently don't know this because IT DOESN'T GET COVERED.
Of course I know about it. It was covered extensively.
So because he's talked about it in the past, he shouldn't bring it up again? It would have went so much better and, perhaps, swayed people to think about it.
I stand by my statement that they, and those comments, made them look like entitled brats.
Not sure why you're arguing about this as you said you agree with me.
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The summary of everything that's been said about them is a general consensus that it's mostly racist undertones if not overt, with articles like Straight out of Compton, comments about her straightening her hair, and constant remarks about them being an interracial couple when they would simply l liked to be known as a COUPLE without that label.
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A case in point: The Daily Mail did an article yesterday with a body-language expert to assess Meghan's demeanor at an event she did last night. In the headline, it talked about her hairstyle, saying she was using her hair as CURTAINS. I didn't bother to read it through. When was the last time you saw the British press doing this sort of analysis of Kate, or any of the RF?
And one thing no one has mentioned above: Meghan's rift with her father has been front and center since the week before the wedding. The DM and other outlets have, time and again, deliberately brought this very possibly senile old man front and center to talk about his daughter. And her husband. And her child. Two individuals he's never even met. Not to mention the antics of the half-sister, who was PAID by one of the tabs to go to London and be photographed in her wheelchair dropping off a "conciliatory" letter at Kensington Palace last summer. Both of them have been on British TV countless times singing their same sad song about how Meghan done them wrong. And being asked to analyze and evaluate her actions. I mean, WTF?! When was the last time you saw the Middletons interviewed about Kate? Why on earth should Meghan and Harry stand for this sort of harassment?
It is impossible that both of the Mad Markles (yes, the daughter even changed her surname back to capitalize on her connection to Meghan) have not been remunerated by the tabs for their comments, photos, and appearances. When people are paid to talk smack about a family member and are getting front-page and prime-time coverage every other week to do so, does that not qualify as a coordinated anti-Meghan campaign? I guess we should ask the tabs why this sort of coverage routinely overshadows the work that both the Sussexes are doing. Yes, in their place, I would be damned upset about what's being said.
Kate has 3 kids and I don’t hear a peep out of her... no complaining... just doing her duties quietly with grace... if there’s an issue within then take care of it within... right now she looks like a whiny brat
Both Harry & William have talked about mental illness & how their mother's death has affected them - and they were criticized for it. Told to "man up, get over it, she died a long time ago."
I agree that Meghan's race & being an American are both behind much of the criticism she's enduring. Being an actress & divorced also adds fodder for the tabloids. Her every mannerism, clothing choices, the way she holds her baby, if she smiles too much or not enough are picked apart.
I believe the latest Harry & Meghan bashing is to deflect away from Prince Andrew & his involvement in Epstein's sick world.
I believe the latest Harry & Meghan bashing is to deflect away from Prince Andrew & his involvement in Epstein's sick world.
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The Royal family is not above sacrificing Harry and Meghan to save Andrew, who should be in jail.
I agree the media’s engagement with her chatty awful family is obsessive and Meghan and Harry cannot be blamed for that. They have zero control over those relatives. Both Harry and Meghan have begged her dad to stop and told him he’s being used as a pawn. He doesn’t get it which yes could be related to dementia. Taking advantage of the sickly and elderly to sell a story is pretty low.
Interesting blindgossip.com item about markle. Paints her in a really bad light.
I believe it!
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Interesting blindgossip.com item about markle. Paints her in a really bad light.
I believe it!
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Why is that?
Kate’s quote of ‘we can’t go back’ came to mind today.
I think of all the child actors, one-hit wonders, professional athletes who certainly banked more than Kate ever did. And it makes me wonder how in the heck is Kate still ‘living the dream?’
Good investments on whatever she banked can’t be enough to keep her ‘living the life’ into perpetuity. The house, over a decade of private schooling for a brood, her plastic surgery and living the high life has got to be a major suck on then bank account. And now two in college with out of state tuition? For someone to take whatever earnings she had and turn it into some humongous number with a lot of zeroes has to be a lot hooey. Ain’t no investor a miracle worker! ( and hehe, lets not forget the deck for the children’s safety. Lol
And what about child support? Is Jon receiving any?
Jut think of all the legal bills she’s had over the years. Has to be astronomical.
I just don’t see how her paltry amt, when compared to other people 5at have earned much more and squandered, can keep her afloat forever.
And then she will see the ‘can’t go back’ mantra was false- it will be instead she ‘has’ to go back. Jon did. Isn’t Kate Irene a special snowflake.
Lol
And one more Kate-ism : ‘how will we explain the 2 million dollar house?’
Coupons my ass!
I couldn't find the Blind Gossip item Private is implying, I never understood that site, but I read the comments on a few other older items about Meghan and man alive do people think she's up to no good and Harry is duped. Somewhere along the way she really rubbed people the wrong way.
She still has her fans of course I don't think that will change.
If she were to be actively reading any of this stuff that explains how distraught she acts. I don't get it, she should NOT be reading this stuff.
Kate has 3 kids and I don’t hear a peep out of her... no complaining... just doing her duties quietly with grace... if there’s an issue within then take care of it within... right now she looks like a whiny brat
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Yes and no. Kate and William have sued the press too on more than one occasion. I recall over the hacking incident into William's phone, and some intimate vacation photos published abroad of Kate, I think when they were in France. When people say Meghan should never have sued and is whining, a comment I've seen in many places, let's not forget William and Kate sue too for very similar actions. It just doesn't seem to be seen as negative for some reason because they can do no wrong.
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I couldn't find the Blind Gossip item Private is implying
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https://blindgossip.com/wounded-little-boy/#more-99399
https://blindgossip.com/wounded-little-boy/#more-99399
This is a blind item that seems to be about Meghan. There have been blind items on this site and the Crazy Days and Nights site about Meghan. Basically, they all say she is selfish, brainwashes Harry, and wants her way despite what the Royal Family wants. I'm not a royal family fan, but Diana's death was horrible and deeply affected her sons, I'm sure.
Admin, it it called Wounded Little Boy on blindgossip
I see the blind gossip item now. It could be true, though I’m not sure most of any of that that Meghan allegedly said to him would be wrong or bad advice. It’s about time Harry felt supported to heal from his mother’s death. I guess that gripe would be she took advantage of his vulnerability. Maybe so who knows. Many people wish they could help him so that wouldn’t be odd for someone to take an interest.
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I couldn't find the Blind Gossip item Private is implying...
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Here it is:
https://blindgossip.com/wounded-little-boy/
Wounded Little Boy
OCTOBER 22, 201
Wounded Little Boy
OCTOBER 22, 2019 BLIND GOSSIP 187 COMMENTS
[Blind Gossip] While everyone is up in arms about how to deal with a couple of members of this famous family who are seemingly beyond their control, an insider provides a glimpse as to exactly how it happened.
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"She was quite cunning. She talked to him about his mother all the time. She used the pain he felt about losing his mother to make him rely on her and to turn him against everyone else in his family.
"She told him that he is actually “a wounded little boy” and that his family was wrong for making him act stoically. She also told him that he should never forget how terribly his family treated his mother.
She encouraged him to talk about his feelings and told him the more he lets the sadness and anger out both privately and in public, the sooner his pain would heal. He cried with her and she comforted him like his mother would.
She told him that once he was able to choose for himself and act independently from his family, they would fulfill his mother’s legacy together.
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This does explain his recent surge in discussing his feelings in public… his newfound temper… as well as his alienation from his family.
But did he simply trade one controlling entity for another?
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[Optional] Do you think his mother would have approved of her? Why or why not? Please use people’s real names.
I was watching The Talk today. There was a pre-recorded segment where Sharon Osbourne was interviewing Elton John (he has a new book coming out). She asked him about Prince Harry. Elton said "he is fragile".
Being in a fragile state a person is ripe for someone to manipulate and control him.
Per the boys Diana would have been thick as thieves with their wives and eaten her grandchildren up. I believe that. It’s such an unbelievable tragedy for both their families.
She asked him about Prince Harry. Elton said "he is fragile".
Being in a fragile state a person is ripe for someone to manipulate and control him.
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That’s scary. Really scary. I thought he was doing better after all the therapy he did. I read once somewhere that they say 12 is one of the worst ages to lose a parent. Old enough to realize how awful it is but too young to have had the kind of conversations and experiences where you really need your mom and you know it. I’m not sure he’s ever going to be at peace with what happened to his life.
Who is this "insider"? None of us know what was or wasn't said...least of all someone from a gossip site.
Harry could well be in a fragile state because of the way they're treating his wife - not because of her.
Who is this "insider"? None of us know what was or wasn't said...least of all someone from a gossip site.
Harry could well be in a fragile state because of the way they're treating his wife - not because of her.
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Problem with a lot of the Meghan stories is no one will go on record, and the few that do like her sister and father are people who have never even met Harry. At least with the TFW and press a whole hell of a lot of people were willing to name names. The stories thus became much more credible and justifiable.
I hope nothing bad happens, like someone gets so upset they hurt themselves even accidentally. I don’t know, that might make the Straight out of Compton headlines seem far more outrageous in hindsight.
I wonder how many lawsuits Kate is preparing. Jon, certainly. Collin's institution (whichever one he smuggled the note out of), probably. GAL and judge? Would she? Could she? TLC is likely somewhere on the list, for whatever they didn't do that she believes they were supposed to. And Skeve falls in that category, too, since clearly none of this would have happened if he was "helping [her] right."
I don't believe she's decided to fold her tent and live happily ever after in anonymity. She's still paying for 100-150 new followers per day on IG, and there must be a reason for that.
Who would know about these intimate detailed conversations? Something is odd about this.
Either Meghan told someone or Harry did. There's really no other option. That means that one of them has broken what should have been a sacred marriage trust.
It's a bit too detailed to have been completely fabricated
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Eh, anyone who’s followed Harry could have said that. I could have come up with something like that. Her sister could have dreamed this up. I think this description of what was supposedly said between them is a very plausible pulse on the relationship. Whether it was actually said or not who knows. I think there are absolutely undertones and strong hints that William and Kate are wary, and have been for a long time, and that has fueled a firestorm. Humans are remarkably intuitive and you can just feel the tension between the brothers over Meghan.
Yes, in their place, I would be damned upset about what's being said.
Really? You know what I'd do? go talk to my world-renowned psychologist {that my personal secretary found and vetted for me} AND that is on speed dial twentyfour/seven, ask my personal assistant to be a good moppet and run get me some ice cream, show my gorgeous and perfectly healthy baby ALL of the gifts he got that day, and then, maybe, have a good romp with what used to be the most eligible bachelor in the world. And if I STILL felt very upset, I'd speeddial my momma and get her on a private jet ASAP. I mean, I'd get someone to do it. And then I wouldn't pay for it because I don't have to.
I certainly wouldn't waste my energy on getting very upset. Seriously.
So what? Who cares. She just spent the day with the most UNDER privileged souls in the world. Heard unspeakable things, I imagine.
Anyway, argue if you like. I'm over this. Have a good day tomorrow.
Really? You know what I'd do? go talk to my world-renowned psychologist {that my personal secretary found and vetted for me} AND that is on speed dial twentyfour/seven, ask my personal assistant to be a good moppet and run get me some ice cream, show my gorgeous and perfectly healthy baby ALL of the gifts he got that day, and then, maybe, have a good romp with what used to be the most eligible bachelor in the world. And if I STILL felt very upset, I'd speeddial my momma and get her on a private jet ASAP. I mean, I'd get someone to do it. And then I wouldn't pay for it because I don't have to
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Your view seems to be rich people can’t have feelings. I’m not getting the sense that’s how most people are viewing their statements even those who didn’t like it.
Prince Harry was the most privileged little boy in the world in 1997. It did make losing his mother any less painful. Having the ability to fly anyone by jet to him at once wasn’t going to bring Mum back.
Talking about how rich people should not have problems and money makes everything okay is just not true. All the money in the world cannot buy you out of depression or emotional pain. That is just laying on a guilt trip that since you can purchase items, you have no right to feel anything but happiness and gratitude. That is the end of the road for many when they realize their wealth is useless for their emotional problems.
I've always thought Harry was unique in that he he was able to show his emotions in an emotionless family. That has got to make it difficult for him. After this, what I think, is bizarre and unfounded hate frenzy, he has to know he is expendable for the overall good of the royal family. How horrible it must be to have your family protecting someone like Andrew and abandoning you. It seems like some smokescreen as Charles and William move closer to becoming King. If you brought up all of their wrong doings, Harry pales in comparison. It is just weird that the press makes Harry out to be the bad one, in a family of cold, unfeeling monsters.
Harry is a very odd choice for a scapegoat. Scapegoats often aren’t who you expect. Look at Collin. Harry reminds me of Collin. Far too sensitive and in tune emotionally to survive in the public eye, and in desperate need of a mother.
And I agree with posters that the British press needs to go after Prince Andrew HARD with regard to his affiliation with Jeffrey Epstein. How can he say he didn’t know what Epstein was doing when there’s a picture of Andrew that’s been published with his arm around an underage girl! Douche bag.
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And I agree with posters that the British press needs to go after Prince Andrew HARD with regard to his affiliation with Jeffrey Epstein. How can he say he didn’t know what Epstein was doing when there’s a picture of Andrew that’s been published with his arm around an underage girl! Douche bag.
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It’s 2019 and people still don’t care about child exploitation. They don’t. But make a couple comments about how the press is harassing you and it’s difficult, and you’re cooked. Amazing.
Re Harry and Meaghan, I only know what I read in People. Harry and Meghan both had plenty of life experience and dating experience before they met. He was active duty in military, don't forget! She had a career in a very competitive field that is hard on the ego. The public hysteria and speculation when they moved 20 miles away? They are going to be ok. Like Occams Razor, the simplest explanation is usually the right explanation. It can be true that these are two people who met each other at the right time and decided they wanted to marry and have a family. There are many many folks employed by the royals and anyone could spread malicious gossip about a new family member who upset the status quo, especially when that gossip might bring a nice payday.
I watched the doc and not surprisingly it’s all getting completely blown out of proportion. Nearly every moment of that doc was spent highlighting the struggles and triumphs of various communities in Africa. It was beautifully done and those two reek sincerity. The couple comments getting press were brief and only said when questioned by the journalist who is Harry’s friend of 20 years. Harry also made his comments right after he retraced his mother’s steps in Angola. He should have told the journalist he needed to get to bed after a long day and they’d have a chat about everything in the morning. I’m feeling more awful for them after seeing this than less.
Harry is neither the first nor the last man who has needed a wife who can also help fill the role of mother & therapist. Good for him if he has found a woman strong enough & dedicated enough to be that needed pillar of strength.
Admin- what channel was it on? I’d like to see it also.
Harry is neither the first nor the last man who has needed a wife who can also help fill the role of mother & therapist. Good for him if he has found a woman strong enough & dedicated enough to be that needed pillar of strength.
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And I think this becomes an almost existential question. I'm not sure it matters so much what is objectively right for Harry or whether this woman's motives maybe aren't completely clear, if the greater point is that Harry is feeling loved, supported and encouraged by the marriage. I think this may just be a subjective test.
Deeper motives will always be a question of anyone who marries the princes. There is evidence Kate Middleton orchestrated and targeted William and didn't just "meet" him. Exhibit A, she tried to run into him on her gap year too in, wouldn't you know it, Chile (unsuccessfully) and switched colleges at the last minute to go to his. Awfully coincidental.
Admin...I didn’t know that about Kate Middleton.
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Admin...I didn’t know that about Kate Middleton.
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Oh I remember that story. Kate & her family were the bad guys in those days. She was considered common, as was her family, because they worked for their wealth & weren't born into it.
Now? Kate is a saint.
Interesting article re: Prince Andrew's troubles...
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/17990009.neil-mackay-prince-andrew-must-questioned-police-alleged-sex-trafficking-links/
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/revealed-how-kate-followed-william-on-his-chile-mission-6394962.html
Here's the story about it, it didn't even come out until they were almost married. I think what likely happened is she heard he was in Chile and got herself on the first trip she could to see if she could cross paths with him. That didn't happen, but as a plan B, she could attend his university, bump into him eventually and then drop how she spent time in Chile last year and then OHHH you did too look at us we have so much in common! It's too much of a coincidence this didn't have to do with him.
And you know what, whatever. If she was 19 and wanted William from afar and then got him, good for her. The princes need to be with someone that wants to be with them with everything they have, because most girls don't REALLY want this life when it comes down to it. It takes a special kind. What I do like about Kate is William really made her work for it. His break up with her was a test to see if she would be a bitter harpy and run to the press trashing him. When she didn't and remained as discreet and respectful as possible, he quickly begged to take her back and she went back, of course. Marriage happened shortly thereafter.
Kate M. and Meghan have more in common than people realize, but people don't want to trash Kate they want to trash Meghan.
Interesting article re: Prince Andrew's troubles...
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How is it even a thing that a commoner has to plead with the police to even question this guy? The world is so upside down.
Oh I remember that story. Kate & her family were the bad guys in those days. She was considered common, as was her family, because they worked for their wealth & weren't born into it.
Now? Kate is a saint.
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The media is funny. They hated Kate for the longest time. For stupid reasons. They were awful to her family. Now they're on board only because they have Meghan they can pick on now. Literally the nasty stories about her stopped when Meghan arrived. They liked her the instant they heard maybe she and William aren't so hot about Meghan.
I always liked Kate even when she was going through her own rough patch with the media. She plays it extraordinarily safe, from her charities to what she says, but it works for her. But as another example of hypocrisy, it's widely understood she also has William as whipped as Meghan does Harry, but that's all ok and only wrong if Meghan does it. I hope she can offer Harry and Meghan some wisdom.
I don't think that Meghan's father is senile; I think he knows exactly what he's doing. He is broke and is supplementing his social security payments (apparently his only source of income) by selling stories about his daughter to the tabloids. Meghan is suing a tabloid for breach of privacy because it published her letter to her father, but the publication actually helped her. Before, her father was constantly whining that Meghan had ghosted him, had never communicated with him and he just didn't understand why. I read the letter - she basically wrote "Dad, I love you very much but I cannot have a relationship with you as long as you keep talking about me to the media". There were far fewer interviews with him after that.
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Unfortunately Kate is still considered common. They mention it every time they refer to her marriage to William. I think she’s wonderful and is the best thing that happened to that family in a long time. It’s just that ever-pervasive class thing in England that still exists. Sad. People hate that Meghan is American and not British (“What? You couldn’t find a girl here? We’re not good enough for you?”) more than anything else. Harry and Meghan will be a non-story in a few years.
"Dad, I love you very much but I cannot have a relationship with you as long as you keep talking about me to the media". There were far fewer interviews with him after that.
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Yep that was the letter. Dad we love you please please stop. I can’t believe what possessed him to publish it even for all the money in the world.
On a side note, it's always been rather interesting watching the things the British press gets stuck on. Kate's parents started this party planning business out of their home, worked hard at it, it became pretty successful and they went from a modest family home in the suburbs to a grand estate in the countryside. Ancestors were coal miners. They are basically the American dream and their story would be written up in business magazines as a grand success.
Yet to the British press that was a bit embarrassing, very embarrassing really, something to turn your nose at. I can't believe the mud they had to crawl out of to finally fit into society, they are posers. Rags to riches, how low can William go to find a wife??? I found that story really perplexing for the longest time, it was such a stark cultural difference.
I’ve been an avid reader of this site because it pertained to the Gosselins, and Kate’s nastiness in particular. I’ve always agreed with most posters here. However, the shift to Harry and Meghan I find insufferable; to the degree of the Celebitchy site. I have very strong, negative views of this female. It pains me to read more glowing comments about her on this site. I’ve already been told to “get out of here” on Celbitchy. Here, too?
America is not a classless society - far from it - but the American dream, rags-to-riches, is very much a part of the national psyche. In Britain, by contrast, people are born into a certain class and are expected to remain there, and woe betide those who don't. US presidents who came from humble beginnings, like Abraham Lincoln and Ronald Reagan, are admired for their achievements. Contrast that with British PM Margaret Thatcher: her dad was a lower-middle-class owner of a small grocery store, and even when she was the most powerful woman in the world, the upper classes still sneered at her that she was 'just a greengrocer's daughter'. I know a doctor who immigrated here from England years ago and he is horrified, aghast, that the future queen of England (Kate) is the granddaughter of a coal miner (Kate's mother's father was a coal miner and the family lived in social housing).
There’s a lot I love about Great Britain. But teaching kids that to better yourself is something to be ashamed of, is not how modern society grows and progresses. Who knows all of the talent that culture has suppressed because they asked people to stay in their lane.
I giggle every time I read a new comment and see the name Kate, and realize it's about Her Royal Highness Kate Middleton and not Her Royal Heiny Katie Irene Gosselin!
Admin, is Sea Gordon going to dress up for Halloween? I'm not an Insta girl, so I haven't kept up with his hijinks!
England is a class-based society. The upper class are snooty, do what they want, and look down on others. They like to maintain the status quo. Now Meghan enters the picture. An actress, an American, and bi-racial. Meghan approaches British acceptance by being open and proud of her racial heritage. So much so at her wedding she had African-American singers and a pastor. How do you think that went over with the upper class? She was showing England who she was. Perhaps the upper class are using the media and other methods to spurn her acceptance into their society.
I remember all the years when Kate M was referred to as "Waity Katie" in the media. That must have been humiliating for her. And her mother once worked as a flight attendant, so William's uppity friends would whisper, "Doors to manual" when she walked into a room. A nasty way of referring to her as working class or "not our kind". I saw an article yesterday about Kate going to a budget store to buy Halloween costumes with George and Charlotte, and people were praising her for it. She hasn't become too haughty to do things that average people do. I think it's a good sign to see people embracing her for being relatable. And even the snootiest Brit has to admit that she's a completely devoted wife and mother. She had to work for it, so I think she really appreciates what she has. Good for her.
I looked at the comments on Kate G's instagram to see what people are saying about her filming the kids without work permits and against a judge's order. One commenter had read through the TLC contracts in Robert's book, and wrote that in those contracts it stated that the parents were responsible for obtaining work permits for the kids. So it was Kate's responsibility to make sure work permits were in order. That doesn't excuse TLC's negligence, but the one who not only failed the kids but acted directly against their best interests was Kate.
I’ve been an avid reader of this site because it pertained to the Gosselins, and Kate’s nastiness in particular. I’ve always agreed with most posters here. However, the shift to Harry and Meghan I find insufferable; to the degree of the Celebitchy site. I have very strong, negative views of this female. It pains me to read more glowing comments about her on this site. I’ve already been told to “get out of here” on Celbitchy. Here, too?
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Nope, our porch is open to Meghan haters and Meghan sheeple alike, and the tea is flowing and strawberries and cream on tap as we discuss the duchess of polarization!
Admin, is Sea Gordon going to dress up for Halloween? I'm not an Insta girl, so I haven't kept up with his hijinks!
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Yes he's going as a martini. He already attended a party and was a big hit.
https://www.instagram.com/p/B4AIKVVpPqL/
https://www.instagram.com/p/B37A65UJrYF/
I found the docket that is associated with the $130 K Kate says Jon owes her. It's docket 18 2945. It was filed in March 2018. The records were sealed and a gag order put in place in June 2018. We will not be hearing anything else about this.
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My bully went as a satellite dish one year for Halloween because he’d had eye surgery and was in a cone.
Admin (#134), thanks for the link!
This was my first glimpse at him, and he's a cutie pie! So glad he got his bearings and that you're living happily ever after together. Very clever costume idea, too...the "pupparazzi" seemed to love it!
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Kate filed that lawsuit after Jon won custody of Hannah and refused to sign off on the other kids filming. She must have been filled with rage--how dare he interfere with filming! She was looking for revenge, so she filed that lawsuit. I doubt she'll get anywhere with it--especially after the GAL and the judge agreed that filming was not in the kids' best interests. She wasn't able to film the younger kids at all in 2018, and she had to wait until the twins turned 18 before she could get them to film. There were no episodes of any Gosselin show on TV that whole year. That must have cost her. I don't think she was dumb enough to think she'd get a huge pile of money from Jon. I think she believed he would panic and sign for the kids to film so that the lawsuit would go away.
I certainly hope that TLC realizes that Kate has taken her obsession with filming to dangerous levels. She banished friends and family, ended her marriage, institutionalized her son, forced the kids to film while sick or in pain--all to keep filming going. And now she has defied a court order, broken the law, and possibly lied to TLC to feed her obsession. That is so unhealthy, for her and for the kids. She has her kids believing they won't survive without filming. How can anyone say that's healthy for them? As I have said before, only TLC can make this stop. If they stand up to her, tell her no to more filming, she will have no choice but to back off and allow the kids to have a semi-normal life. Let's see if they step up and do the right thing.
I like Meghan but it may be because I was a fan of the TV show Suits. I’ve always been a fan of Harry. Once Charles takes the throne there’s still an heir and three spares. Harry knows he’ll never take the throne so if he wants to have the f^ck you attitude more power to him.
Admin (#134), thanks for the link!
This was my first glimpse at him, and he's a cutie pie! So glad he got his bearings and that you're living happily ever after together. Very clever costume idea, too...the "pupparazzi" seemed to love it!
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Aww thanks he thinks he is. It's been quite an interesting first year, and he's come a really long way. Walks around the neighborhood remain a struggle. He just doesn't want to do it. But he'll happily do most everything else I want him to.
https://www.townandcountrymag.com/society/tradition/a29587737/meghan-markle-julie-andrews-lawsuit-defense-quote-video/?_gl=1*1zfa8g*_ga*YW1wLVhPRFhZY2RlVXlSSF9xSGxKWlJzSmc3Q3ZPcnRDT1BUNk0zVUFjSEVxbDIzSk15VldGYzlhYnlLUVhsbXUyTzg.
This is a bit out of the blue, but Julie Andrews of all people is rallying in support of Megan. Huh.
The duchess of polarization - unfortunately, that is what Meghan has become. She and Harry started married life with a great deal of goodwill, but she has made some blunders since the beginning of the year which I attribute to moving too quickly without taking the time to really learn what is expected of members of the royal family. She has had three major life changes in less than a year - getting married, becoming a mother and joining the royal family - any one of which requires an adjustment. The tabloids have been nasty to her, as they are nasty to any outsider marring into the British or any other royal family - when Sweden's Crown Princess Victoria married her personal trainer, Daniel, the gutter press was vicious. Like Kate, Daniel kept a low profile, concentrated on being a good spouse and parent, did charity work, and now the press for Kate and Daniel is all positive. Of course, the fact that Meghan is an American, an actress, divorced and biracial made things a lot dicier, although I don't agree with the folks at Celebitchy that every criticism leveled at Meghan is fueled by racism. She has made mistakes, probably because she decided to fulfill her new role the way she thought she should (apparently she is notorious for rejecting advice, even from people who are more experienced than she is).
Hmmmmm... did Jon and Colleen get married in Vegas?! He posted a photo a few hours ago. Very close up, very dressed up, very big smiles... I'll let others decide once you see it.
You know I comment here only once in a while... it seems admin is very touchy.. there’s no way I’ve ever said anything out of line... but for some reason a lot of my comments are not shown .. so I’m thinking that you don’t take to kindly some truths that aren’t disrespectful in any way... why don’t you loosen the leash?
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My bully went as a satellite dish one year for Halloween because he’d had eye surgery and was in a cone.
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Cute!
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You know I comment here only once in a while... it seems admin is very touchy.. there’s no way I’ve ever said anything out of line... but for some reason a lot of my comments are not shown .. so I’m thinking that you don’t take to kindly some truths that aren’t disrespectful in any way... why don’t you loosen the leash?
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Almost all comments get posted. Deleted comments are rare. I don't recall ever deleting a comment from a Dorothy in ten years. If it was not out of line it wouldn't have been deleted. Are you sure they are going through?
I saw the Vegas photo and the first thing I thought is it looks like a wedding or engagement selfie. I hope they get married, but I think Collin wants to be there!
, but she has made some blunders since the beginning of the year which I attribute to moving too quickly without taking the time to really learn what is expected of members of the royal family. She has had three major life changes in less than a year - getting married, becoming a mother and joining the royal family - any one of which requires an adjustment. The tabloids have been nasty to her, as they are nasty to any outsider marring into the British or any other royal family - when Sweden's Crown Princess Victoria married her personal traine
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Yes I think she probably moved fast, and in that respect I feel badly for Harry and Meghan because he didn't fine "the one" like William did when he was 19 years old and could take twelve years putting her through various tests to see if she could really handle royal life. The reality is if Meghan dated Harry 12 years first, I doubt they would stay together. He would have called it off himself after seeing her pain. And if Harry and Meghan wait 12 years or even five years, she likely wouldn't be able to have children by then or drastically reduced their chances. He said it himself he wanted a family and children, but if he's going to date a 37 year old (which was probably wiser than dating a 27 year old) you don't have all the time in the world.
Most people seem to give this five years, maybe ten. We'll see.
I looked at Jon's IG picture, and he mentions being in the penthouse. I don't know if it's a wedding/engagement picture, but he and Colleen make such a beautiful couple, and they seem truly happy and in love. It's so good for Hannah and Collin to live with such good role models. They get to see what a happy, loving relationship looks like. The other kids will never see that with their mother, and that could cause problems for them in the future.
I was trying to come up with a timeline for Kate's latest skirmishes, and it looks like Jon refused to sign off on more filming sometime in the summer of 2017. That was when Hannah was fighting to live with him and most likely when the GAL became involved. The GAL might have talked to the other kids and made a recommendation to the court that the kids should not film. Then Hannah moved in with Jon full-time in the spring of 2018, which is when Kate filed her $130k lawsuit (April 2018). Jon was back in contact with Collin by then, too. Her lawsuit was an attempt to regain control. If she expected Jon to back down, she was mistaken. Somewhere around this time (June 2018) the State of PA refused to approve work orders for the remaining kids. Kate probably filed some kind of appeal, but the judge agreed that filming was in the kids' best interests. K+D8 was filmed that fall/winter, after M&C turned 18. And then Kate reverted to her "no never means no to me" attitude and filmed with the younger kids. I think she's an addict. She's addicted to filming, and she'll do anything to keep it going. She went almost a year and a half between the tups' 13th birthday episode and filming K+D8, and she was itching for a fix. Once the cameras were back on her, she needed them to stay on her, even if that meant breaking the law. Which is exactly what she did. Does she ever look back at what her obsession with filming has cost her? Friends, family, her marriage, custody of two of her kids. Is it really worth it? I'm sure she'd say yes, but I doubt anyone else would agree. I can't imagine losing any of my kids--it would break my heart. She lost two because of her own actions. How is she okay with that?
Does she ever look back at what her obsession with filming has cost her? Friends, family, her marriage, custody of two of her kids.
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I don't think that friends, family, marriage or her kids matter to her - the only things that are important to her are fame and fortune. Her kids have always been the way for her to get rich and famous, and the only thing that bothers her about losing custody is that she may no longer be able to film. I really don't think that she is capable of loving anyone other than herself.
Administrator, you are so right about the reason Harry and Meghan got married after a relatively short time period; the sad reality for women is that we do have a biological clock and when you're in late thirties, time is running out to start a family.
Will their marriage last? I don't know - they do seem to be passionately in love, but that may not be enough. The British Royal Family is an ultra-traditional institution with very strict rules of behavior for its members, from never wearing colored nail polish to never voicing anything that could be remotely construed as a political opinion.
However, Meghan has always been independent and outspoken. Will she - can she - suppress that part of her personality? As an example, during the 2016 election, she supported Hillary Clinton and publicly said negative things about Donald Trump. When the Queen hosted a state dinner for President Trump earlier this year, Meghan was conspicuously absent. The official reason given was that she was on maternity leave; what if she hadn't been? Would she have shown up or would she have refused to go, creating a diplomatic incident?
Here's Jon's IG pic:
https://www.instagram.com/p/B4E3LmpFaO5/
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Vegas!!! Btw, cheers everyone. Penthouse, on top of the world!!!
Colleen posted that same pic on her IG, along with several other pics. It looks like they're at an event called "Victoria's Voice, An Evening to Save Lives":
https://www.instagram.com/p/B4FntM4HA4T/
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So glad to be part of a great event!
I Googled Victoria's Voice and now I know why it sounded familiar. It's the title of a book I remember hearing about earlier this year. It was published by David and Jackie Siegel. He's the billionaire founder and CEO of Westgate Resorts. They have a bunch of kids (11) and they were the subject of that 2012 documentary "Queen of Versailles" about the construction of their 90,000 square foot mansion.
Their 18 year old daughter, Victoria, died of a drug overdose in 2015. They have a foundation and I think this event is done annually at his Las Vegas resort.
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My oh my, wouldn't Katie Irene want an invite to an event like that. When's the last time she appeared anywhere besides TLC?
Being nice in that industry apparently carries some weight.
Former Lurker, I just saw the photo Colleen posted as well. Well can you blame me, LOL? The way they were dressed, those huge smiles, where they were at! How nice for them to get away like that.
Us Weekly has a really informative article about Jon & Kate on their site.
https://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/jon-gosselin-says-coparenting-wont-ever-exist-with-kate/
- He doesn’t believe co-parenting with Kate will ever happen (duh).
- He is complying with Mady & Cara’s wishes to not speak about them in the media.
- Both Collin and Hannah see their siblings.
https://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/jon-gosselin-says-coparenting-wont-ever-exist-with-kate/
I read the posts about Kate possibly being envious of Jon because he was invited to an event and she wasn't. What came to my mind was...Kate's warranty has expired and Jon has the extended warranty.
Sad but true (#155), the only time we know for sure TFW participated in a charity event without TLC cameras rolling was when she attended that local fundraiser where she accepted a pair of Uggs from a fan.
Turtle (#158), well put. TFW is shocked -- shocked, I tell ya! -- that her gravy train derailed before the tups turned 16. Somehow the combination of being a piss-poor mother and putting zero effort into making herself more marketable backfired. Whereas Jon lost everything and had to figure out how to climb out of that hole. I think his love for his kids motivated him to rebound. Whereas TFW's public neglect and indifference to them caused her career to sputter out.
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In addition I believe he had the support of his friends and family to help him rebuild his life.
I wonder how sibling contact is arranged? I was pleased to hear that they are all in touch with each other.
Sandylove said... 156
Former Lurker, I just saw the photo Colleen posted as well. Well can you blame me, LOL? The way they were dressed, those huge smiles, where they were at! How nice for them to get away like that.
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Sandylove, I agree that it could have been a wedding. I wonder when they'll actually do it. They seem very happy and very good for each other. It's so nice how Colleen has been such a huge support for Jon and the kids. After sending her two kids off to college, here she is being the mother figure for Hannah and Collin. From what we've seen, she's the best thing that's ever happened to this family. I wish only the best for Colleen, Jon, and their kids.
I hope they're having a wonderful weekend. Taking a look at both of their Instagrams, they're a normal, happy couple who are raising teens, enjoying time with family and friends, taking various vacations and trips as a couple and a family, and just enjoying a good life.
Then, there's TFW. She has such an isolated, lonely, miserable life. If I didn't detest everything about her so much, I'd feel sorry for her.
Turtle (#161), right. TFW kicked everybody to the curb, and doesn't seem to have a soul in her life who isn't on her payroll.
I Googled Victoria's Voice and now I know why it sounded familiar. It's the title of a book I remember hearing about earlier this year. It was published by David and Jackie Siegel. He's the billionaire founder and CEO of Westgate Resorts. They have a bunch of kids (11) and they were the subject of that 2012 documentary "Queen of Versailles" about the construction of their 90,000 square foot mansion.
Their 18 year old daughter, Victoria, died of a drug overdose in 2015. They have a foundation and I think this event is done annually at his Las Vegas resort.
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Oh yes them. I know that story about their daughter dying. The mom was recently featured on the reality show Bravo's Below Deck because she booked a private charter with some friends, and they did some kind of ceremony to memorialize her daughter.
I always thought they were a nice family. Quirky and not without their faults but dedicated to those kids.
Does she ever look back at what her obsession with filming has cost her? Friends, family, her marriage, custody of two of her kids.
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I don't think that friends, family, marriage or her kids matter to her - the only things that are important to her are fame and fortune. Her kids have always been the way for her to get rich and famous, and the only thing that bothers her about losing custody is that she may no longer be able to film. I really don't think that she is capable of loving anyone other than herself.
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I'm betting she wants what everyone else wants, but doesn't understand why it comes so easy to Jon and so difficult for her. Poor schmoopy.
Soooo Mady reposted someone in her IG story. Click on the post and it goes to soemone dressed as the devil and the post says "when you dress up as your dad for halloween. Mady's story will disappear but here's the one she reposted https://www.instagram.com/p/B4GqCfvg6dh/
I hope one day all the kids, especially Mady and Cara, will see Jon had to sacrifice far more than their mother ever did. They were manipulated into repeating exactly what their mother wanted them to. Those ridiculous statements at that young age about a "toxic" relationship and don't speak about us to the media, pretty much told us the lies Kate was telling them. He has chosen to respect their wishes and not speak of them...which I'm sure will eventually be turned around on him to say "he doesn't love us and never mentions us." He is willing to sacrifice his relationship with the other four hostages in order to protect them from filming. One day, hopefully they will thank him.
It is also interesting that he has chosen to no longer post pictures of Hannah and Collin. But then, I think back to how horrible it must have been for Collin to see his mother and siblings having the "best" vacations and "best" parties without him. I had hoped seeing Collin and Hannah happy would have encouraged them to leave Kate. However, she probably convinced them Jon loved Collin and Hannah more and was throwing it in their faces while convincing them they will not be able to survive without filming because of him. I was under the impression Hannah had very little contact with her siblings and Collin had none. Glad to know they both have relationships with the other four.
Jon has basically made it so that there is no question he is not using his children for an agenda or using them as revenge towards that horrible woman who gave birth to them. Once Kate realizes she will not film them until they are 18, they will be of no use to her. They are going to need someone when they understand just how evil she really is.
I agree with Layla. Kate's obsession with filming is pathological(an addiction). Has anyone ever seen her interested in anything that does not involve filming? I saw some of an interview of Kate at the time of her date show and she stated that she likes to be filmed while she cooks dinner. Then Cara just said Kate has not made dinner in a year.Wow.When Kate found out her boyfriend (Jeff?) did not want to film, the relationship had no more value for her and it was over. TLC needs to see the obsession that has developed. It is scary and "being on" is so dangerous for her children.
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Soooo Mady reposted someone in her IG story. Click on the post and it goes to soemone dressed as the devil and the post says "when you dress up as your dad for halloween. Mady's story will disappear but here's the one she reposted https://www.instagram.com/p/B4GqCfvg6dh/
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I'm sorry Mady was robbed of the opportunity to grow up with a loving father, by Kate.
The fact that she's harping on it shows she has been left with unresolved emotional issues over this. These will manifest themselves in relationships, with her own children, in her own life for many years to come. Good job Kate.
That's terrible and disrespectful to say the least. I thought she didn't want Jon to mention her on social media- isn't she doing just that to him?
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Wow, that's harsh. Hard to believe she really thinks of her dad that way. I guess the kids didn't spend any of those many hours in the basement re-watching their show when it had Dad on there. Because he was a helluva sight better parent than Krappy Katie. I hope she eventually grows out of this, it's hard to see an otherwise seemingly intelligent young woman publicly expressing such ignorance.
I am not sure if anyone remembers who Adrianne Curry is but she won the first season of America’s Top Model (Tyra Banks reality show). It was on about 15 years ago and Adrianne was on a bunch of other reality shows and met her ex husband Chris Knight (Peter Brady) on one of them.
I guess in a case of opposites attract they started dating and Chris was older and conservative and Adrianne was wild and unfiltered so it made for great reality TV. They had a show that document their courtship and then marriage. You knew they were never going to make it as a married couple and they divorced a few years later.
Adrianne has left Hollywood and lives in Montana with her hunky hubby in a log cabin and is Avon’s top sales person. (See Kate you can make $ not being on TV and not have to hire a team of babysitters). In any ever I bring this up because I follow her IG (mainly for the beautiful pictures she takes of her Big Sky country backyard). She recently posted that a major network approached her a few years ago about being in a new reality show as a single woman. She told them she cannot do that because she is no longer single and in a relationship. They told her guys come and go and that this was a great opportunity and she would be crazy to turn it down. She told them she would never do this to her BF and no self respecting person would either. Good to hear she has some integrity and now they are happily married.
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Soooo Mady reposted someone in her IG story. Click on the post and it goes to soemone dressed as the devil and the post says "when you dress up as your dad for halloween. Mady's story will disappear but here's the one she reposted https://www.instagram.com/p/B4GqCfvg6dh/
....I doubt that’s Mady’s friend. It’s the IG account of Kieran Shipka who starred in the award winning series Mad Men, as well as one or two Netflix movies.
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Soooo Mady reposted someone in her IG story. Click on the post and it goes to soemone dressed as the devil and the post says "when you dress up as your dad for halloween. Mady's story will disappear but here's the one she reposted https://www.instagram.com/p/B4GqCfvg6dh/
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If it was truly Mady who reposted the devil post in her IG, I agree that it is sad and does not bode well for her relationship with Jon.
However, there may be another explanation. It's been said for several years that the twins and maybe even the younger 4 kids left in the gulag have private IG accounts. Which certainly seems to be true for the twins based on the recent pictures of them out in the 'real world' that have been posted. Kate made such a big deal at the twins' 18th birthday party about their "official" IG accounts, it would stand to reason she has the login information, at least for Mady's account. Jon and Colleen spent the weekend in Vegas for a good cause which equals good press and she's been at home with 4 kids she may never be able to make money off of again. The days of Kate being able to say whatever she wants about Jon and be seen as the victim are long gone and I can't remember the last time she's gotten any good press. So it may be possible that she reposted that IG post under Mady's "public" account.
While we're on the subject of Mady's IG account, has anyone else noticed the picture taken last year of the three younger sisters holding pumpkins is no longer on Mady's account? I just noticed it's absence about a month ago, but it may have been gone longer.
Mady's hate for Jon is misplaced.This is nothing but Kate's influence and manipulation. She is a smart young woman, but is stupid when it comes to her mother's agenda. The twins were allowed to film. They were 18. They grew up in a mansion with a pool , took expensive vacations and are attending expensive colleges out of state. What more did they want? She is like Kate, enough is never enough to her. If she is bitter about anything, it is all on Kate. She has had no contact with Jon since she was a child. Everything she knows about him was told to her by Kate. To direct anger toward her father just seems silly. I think Mady has been too influenced by Kate to ever go back. I think she actually hates Kate and has no respect for her, but she is so much like her, she doesn't know how to act any other way.
The twins definitely need extensive therapy for their anger issues. They hate their father, seem to hate their mother, have always had a festering resentment of the tups, who without, they would have had a very "mediocre " life. They, especially Mady, are going to end up as pathetic as Kate if they continue on the path they are on.
Soooo Mady reposted someone in her IG story. Click on the post and it goes to soemone dressed as the devil and the post says "when you dress up as your dad for halloween. Mady's story will disappear but here's the one she reposted https://www.instagram.com/p/B4GqCfvg6dh/
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Madelyn KATE Gosselin...aptly named. I hope someday that she realizes that TFW did a number on them all.
Giff...176. Your post was spot on and I agree with everything you said.
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I have always felt the twins relationship with their mother has a time limit on. Smart lawyers are going to approach them and I predict a lawsuit in the future. There were financial shenanigans especially concerning Steve the bodyguard (wasn’t he on trusts and some incorporations). I would bet serious money that what the twins and the six expect to be there isn’t. I also feel when they really explore what happened with Blankenship and the fact that a pedophile edited their films and the implication that there are images of them out there it is going to be shocking. I think TLC essentially did a deal don’t sue us for the pedo and we will pay for school and college- which given the cost of litigation is a smart move. When those young women get someone who is willing to untangle the mess- they will see Mama sold them to TLC. It will be interesting and they will get $$$$$!
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Admin, that's my post about Victoria's Voice that you're quoting, but I don't see my post. I posted it right after my other post at #163.
Also, I did one more post around that same time last night. It was about Jon being in Las Vegas and I mentioned TFW's Vegas visits and linked to an old post of yours which some might find funny to read now. If you can find my disappeared posts, I'd appreciate it. I'm too lazy to repost it again. Thanks.
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Giff...176. Your post was spot on and I agree with everything you said.
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Giff, I agree too. Great post. I hate to say it because she's so young and people can mature and change, but I think Mady is a lost cause. Good luck to her in life, because she's going to need it.
On the subject of the remaining four hostages being stopped from filming by Jon, I do unfortunately think that TFW will actually have them film again when they're 18, just like she did with Mady and Cara. I think she has them brainwashed that they need to film (to support her).
The remaining four will turn 18 in May of their junior year of high school. That means if TLC still wants to film them, TFW will do it as long as she has them home. That would cover their 18th birthday, that summer after junior year, then their entire senior year, high school graduation (at 19), and probably college tours and going off to college.
Sadly, it appears they won't be able to stand up to TFW and say no. She'll film as long as TLC is still interested. I sincerely hope that I'm wrong about this.
Former Lurker (#182), maybe this is cockeyed optimism, but I'm hoping America won't give a rat's patootie about watching those 4 tups in 2 1/2 years. Maybe a "Where Are They Now?" special, but nothing on going.
And while I'm being optimistic, I hope one or two of those 4 will be living with their dad by then.
It's not possible that Kate will always be the perfect mother toward her latest golden child Mady. This is Kate we're talking about. She's not capable.
What I think is going to happen is that somewhere along the way Kate will cross Mady. Maybe it will be an insult to Mady's boyfriend or finance. Maybe she will do something underhanded while planning the wedding. Maybe it won't be until later when she does something against Mady's wishes toward Mady's children. But the time will come. And at that moment, Mady's entire life will flash before her eyes.
Children of narcissists get hit with their freight train of realization at all different ages. For Mady it will be well into adulthood, and I fear that because it will come so late for her, it might be too late for her to get the therapy she needs and repair the relationships Kate ruined for her. Time will tell.
FlimsyFlamsy said... 183
Former Lurker (#182), maybe this is cockeyed optimism, but I'm hoping America won't give a rat's patootie about watching those 4 tups in 2 1/2 years. Maybe a "Where Are They Now?" special, but nothing on going.
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FlimsyFlamsy, you may be right. Ratings for the going-to-college special were not good, and this was the public's first glimpse of them in more than 2 years. I think TLC expected better numbers after such a long absence. When the show was cancelled in 2011, then came back in 2014, they averaged more than 2M for the 2-part special. They may have hoped for something similar. If so, then they were sorely disappointed. This special got 800k viewers, only 40 percent of the average for the 2014 specials. Viewers has moved on and lost interest.
Now that the tups are older, and two of them are gone, they just aren't very interesting. They are ordinary. No more struggle to manage 8 kids--managing 4 isn't even remotely entertaining. They seem to be just like any other family of 4 very ordinary teenagers, and that doesn't make for good ratings. Even if TLC brings the Gosselins back once the tups are 18, they only have about 15 months to film before they go away to college. And they'll have to have separate contracts and paychecks for each of them. It won't be worth the effort, I guarantee it. Maybe a few specials or one season, but that's it.
I also feel when they really explore what happened with Blankenship and the fact that a pedophile edited their films and the implication that there are images of them out there it is going to be shocking. I think TLC essentially did a deal don’t sue us for the pedo and we will pay for school and college- which given the cost of litigation is a smart move.
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Tibbarspal, that is certainly possible. But now that they filmed without work permits and in violation of a judge's order, that may all have changed. They may have believed they would get away with it, but they didn't. They broke the law. Maybe Kate misled them about the status of the work permits/judge's order. If she did, then that would probably negate any previous agreement between them. They could sue her instead. If she sues them over Blankenship, she'd have to prove in court that TLC knew he was a pedophile, and that there was some harm done to the kids. There is no evidence of that. If TLC sues her for misleading them over the work permits/judge's order, they could easily prove in court that she did harm to them and to the kids. If I were TLC and she was threatening to take me to court, my response would be, "Bring it on". They'll wipe the floor with her.
The work orders were denied. She has little chance of getting the judge's order overturned after pulling this little stunt. Jon's gag order has expired. She ruled the roost for a long time, but those days are over.
As far as Mady is concerned, she is just like Kate. Materialistic and hooked on fame. If Kate can't provide her with that golden platter lifestyle she's used to, and can't bring the cameras around so Mady can see herself on TV, their relationship might see some big changes.
Do minors such as the Gosselins have to have a separate work permit for every state they film in? Just curious if they had to have one for NC and for PA.
I am an intermittent lurker who is posting today because I am a bit troubled by the negative comments about Mady here. When she was a child she was mocked and vilified in the public eye as a horrible brat given the role she was assigned on J&K+8.
We don’t really know her at all except for the filming and some of the other media exposure she has gotten. We know so much of that was fake … edited for ratings. She may have a bit of a social media presence now through Instagram etc. as a private person… but she is still very young and probably emotionally scarred by the abuse she endured. (remember her being “happied” up by Kate?)
I had a narcissistic mother with an enabling (but loving) father – It took me until I was in my thirties before I understood the narcissism and the lies and abuse that went with it. I thought my rage would never be extinguished… but with time and lots of introspection I am coming to terms with it.
I think we could give Mady a break. She deserves privacy and compassion without judgement. Like we all do.
I think we could give Mady a break. She deserves privacy and compassion without judgement. Like we all do.
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You are right, it is darn tough to be a child of a narcissist and it messes you up. I don't think Mady can even begin to understand what's been done to her, she's not there yet. The way she behaves is in direct response to how she was raised, and I'm not getting the sense anyone disagrees with that here.
One problem Mady will face is that unlike everyone here, the real world won't realize or understand she's a child of a narcissist. So when she behaves badly, they won't know there's a good excuse for it. That will be hard for her. The real world will expect the kind of personal responsibility for her behavior she may not be willing or able to offer. We all have our lots in life and like many of us here who are also children of narcissists, that has never been much of an excuse.
I don't think Mady wants privacy. She maintains a pretty public instagram account.
You are right - Mady probably doesn't want privacy. But maybe she could use some compassion, at least from us, who do know a bit about her childhood. I don't expect the world at large to understand or care that much. But here, maybe we could?
The compassion for all the kids here I’ve found to be simply overwhelming. People care so much about these kids and want them to have happy lives. But there’s always room for more compassion you are right.
Mady has made it clear that she has something nasty to say about just about everyone--and she's happy to say it publicly. She bashes her father in interviews, she says she hates every one of her younger siblings "individually and as a group". She can be vicious, and she doesn't seem to care who she hurts. How do you think the tups feel when they hear their own sister say--on TV no less--that she hates them? Yes, she was raised by a narcissist, but she is an adult. She understands that she is hurting her father and siblings when she says those things. And she obviously doesn't care or she wouldn't do it. I feel compassion for the younger kids, who are still minors and who have to listen to that.
Sometimes victims of narcissists in response to what happened to them hurt others. That is indeed what’s happening with Mady, she is hurting others with her behavior and those people need to be considered to. I still remember the sensitive little girl who cried her eyes out when she was tired and had had enough on the Alaska trip, or who came to the tot Collin’s defense and stood up to his terrorizing mother. She was a unique child and has grown into quite a broken adult.
In Duggar news...yesterday Jinger and her husband Jeremy, the soccer player turned wannabe preacher, went to Kanye West's Sunday church service. Jeremy's all school-girl silly about Kanye's latest album "Jesus Is King" and claims Ye's a changed man and has truly been humbled. Hmmm...risky business aligning yourself with a fellow who just a year ago said the MF word in the freaking Oval Office. But if it helps Jeremy get his self-righteous smarmy mug up on Radar more often -- and possibly score a free pair of Yeezys -- I guess he's willing to roll the dice on this one.
All of the Duggar sons-in-law are slimey. Not one of them has a real job. And to think they were hand picked by Jimboob himself. No wonder Jana stays single. We won't even go to the eldest Duggar son.
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I remember that little girl too--she tried to shield her younger siblings from Kate's wrath as much as possible. I guess that's why it's so disappointing to see her grow up to emulate her mother. I really hope that being out of that environment helps her to put her home life in perspective. I feel for those younger kids, though. The big sister who was once a protector and source of comfort ended up being another abuser. They apparently don't see their father, and they don't have close bonds with each other. They have to deal with all this on their own, and that's a terrible way to live. How can they grow up to be emotionally healthy adults? So many people banished from their lives, so many bonds broken, a malignant narcissist for a mother, a sister who says she hates them, one sibling banished, another gone. Not to mention the fact that they have been indoctrinated from a very young age to believe that they can't survive without filming, and been burdened with the responsibility to work and provide for their family. Remember back in 2011, when the show was cancelled, Kate said he first things the kids wanted to know was whether they could stay in their house and their school. Aaden asked, "No more fun trips?". Even then they knew that if they didn't film, they could lose all those things. Such a heavy burden for such young kids. That environment is so toxic. I just wish that Mady would have still remained a protector for the tups, who had no other source of comfort once their father was banished.
Layla, I agree with much of your post except it seemed to me Mady was only the protector when she felt like it. She often ruined the tups' games ( with her skipping rope and a Little Tikes car for one), grabbed their drawings and bossed them around, and kicked and shoved them.I think she did things for show at times.idk- maybe not fair to criticize her childhood behavior but I see a pattern- like she asked them to be her servant in the college episode, paid them attention when she needed a buddy, and said she wouldn't miss them.
I DO feel bad for Mady. She knew at an extremely young age that the tups were just props her mother had to produce to be famous. She was then expected to help care for them which I'm sure caused a lot of resentment. I think Kate put the entire "fame" idea in Mady's head and made her believe that it would lead her to bigger things. I remember the professional headshots the twins had made and something about Mady wanting a show on Disney, which Kate made known to the press. Of course you would be bitter if your mother made you believe this was possible, only to have the world continue to focus on the six and not you. Mady was always a smart, funny, expressive child who possibly could have been cast for television parts. But, once Kate got a taste of fame, it was all about her. She was not going to be a stage mother in the shadows while her child received all the glory. She is too selfish to ever put her children first. I think Kate has basically paid the twins off to play along, and promised to pull strings to help Mady break into the television industry. It's obviously they can't stand to be around Kate, but they are still totally dependent on her for everything they have. They know they can't attend the colleges they want or live the lifestyle they want without her. Yes, Mady can be cruel and harsh towards her siblings, but she learned it from Kate. She is in grave danger of becoming Kate. Hopefully she will realize it before it's too late.
Anyone going to watch the new TLC show Welcome to Plathville? It's a large family with 9 kids who live without the benefits or downfalls of modern society such as no TV, Coke, video games, knowledge of popular culture. Not sure if they are Quiverfull. Oldest son just married and there is tension of some kind since she lives with the family. Intriguing?
I no longer watch the Touching Little Children network. I used to love the Little Couple but not enough to support tlc
I think it's possible to feel both badly for Mady and to not condone her behavior and expect her to hold some personal responsibility.
The girl was in a pretty tough spot. She could keep on defending her siblings, crying out when injustice was done to her and her siblings, and trying to stand up to her crazy bother. But she's bright, and I believe she figured out by the time she was a pre-teen that trying to stand up to Kate was almost always a losing proposition. But if she played the game, played into Kate's hands, things go a lot smoother and easier.
As they say if you can't beat them, join them. This was a path that in many ways worked out very well for Mady, as she replaced Hannah as the golden child for it. And somewhere along the way I think she was brainwashed, likely by all the bribes she got for ponying up to Kate, that the side she picked was the correct side.
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