What could happen if she doesn't pay up or follow the orders in the future? Additional fines are on the table. A judge also has authority to put her in jail.
A big thank you to Daily Mail for discovering this story earlier this year and pursuing it to its conclusion.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7805741/Kate-Gosselin-contempt-filming-underage-kids-WITHOUT-work-permits.html
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«Oldest ‹Older 401 – 600 of 775 Newer› Newest»I’m sure the queen was very much involved. And approves. Keep in mind the queen went through this with the spare in her family Princess Margaret. She saw firsthand how unhappy Margaret was with her lot in life. The one thing the queen does is learn from mistakes and she’s not about to have another Margaret or Diana situation with Harry if it can be avoided. Add to that there really is no point to Harry now that he Is sixth in line, it makes total sense to have them build good will in Canada for the next ten years or more since they simply aren’t needed in the uk. This may very well be the savviest decision the queen ever made. It’s a total win win.
As for talking to the Obamas and Clintons, they already have announced their mega charity so it makes sense they would talk to others who have done the same. Though with Clinton I suspect that visit has far more to do with Meghan wanting to personally thank her. Clinton said some extremely kind and uncharacteristically sincere words of support about Meghan in the media and I think her words gave a lot of people pause. I’d want to thank her too.
My god, all she had to do was to take a look at how her husband's mother was treate
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Keep in mind Meghan and I were in middle school when Diana died. I barely remember the divorce as I was busy learning fractions. I remember seeing it on magazines in grocery stores and that’s about it. I thought William was cute and that’s about it. It was all JTT in those days. . It’s not something girls that young followed. Perhaps she felt her love for Harry would overcome anything hardship, or perhaps she thought a research project on her dead mother in law would be creepy. Perhaps she also assumed the British press would at least not be racist.
I have a feeling that this is not as rosy as you’re trying to portray it admin. I hear the queen is furious with her and didn’t even show her face when the queen requested her.. only Harry went... this is all too weird I’m sorry.. it sounds like she misses her old life..I still think she’s an opportunist... and I don’t think he’s happy with all of this
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I have a feeling that this is not as rosy as you’re trying to portray it admin. I hear the queen is furious with her and didn’t even show her face when the queen requested her.. only Harry went... this is all too weird I’m sorry.. it sounds like she misses her old life..I still think she’s an opportunist... and I don’t think he’s happy with all of this
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I agree and have said this all along. There is something shady about her and even narcissistic. It does not seem like she has the support/backing of the royal family and if you look at her history, it aligns with how she has treated many people. I'll say it again: She and Kate Gosselin have very similar character traits and it has not served either one of them well.
I agree and have said this all along. There is something shady about her and even narcissistic. It does not seem like she has the support/backing of the royal family and if you look at her history, it aligns with how she has treated many people. I'll say it again: She and Kate Gosselin have very similar character traits and it has not served either one of them we
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I think after the prince Andrew debacle Prince Harry and the duchess suddenly didn’t look so bad to the royal family.
From what I gather from reports I would say the family is more concerned than angry with them. I think it’s clear at this point Harry will always be fragile and even if his wife has all his best interests at heart being in a fragile mental state means you might make bad or rash decisions. I do think they are absolutely right that Archie should not be raised in the royal bubble of London. Other members might not be able to help feeling a bit bad about that as if it’s personal that they want him away from that. Little Prince Archie was never going to work for either of them.
I understand that, but she was MARRYING INTO THE ROYAL FAMILY. It was incumbent on her to do her due diligence on what that entailed. And unfortunately, part of what it entails is dealing with outrageous press. The idea that poor helpless Meghan was absolutely clueless about what she was getting herself into doesn't wa
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She wasn’t clueless. She knew about the press but I think she thought the scrutiny would be about a bad choice in hats or losing some weight. The vast majority of Diana’s criticism circled around things like that. She couldn’t have anticipated the racism and I think she sorely underestimated her ability to handle her hurt feelings over it. I think she thought she’s a strong woman who can handle anything. She is human, and misjudged the situation, as humans sometimes do. Especially those dizzy in love.
I think a bunch of the Harry and Meghan stuff is overblown. I really don't care what they do but the press love to watch the reactions and stir up issues. The Queen had already announced they want to make the royal family smaller. With William already having several children, Harry is further and further down in line of succession. He's what, 6th now? The odds of him ever taking the throne are getting into King Ralph territory so if they want a different type of life, so be it.
That’s why i say this could be the smartest decision the royal family could make. British support of the royal family is tenuous as it is, in twenty plus years there will be at least four kids plus spouses plus William and Harry and their wives. That’s potentially 12 royals to support right there. Way too huge to make the public happy. Taking Harry from the equation knocks out 3-4 people if not more. Better to parse him down sooner rather than later.
The Daily Mail has been vicious to Harry and Meghan but they have an extraordinarily article up by Richard Kay. Kay says Harry never got over not being able to save Diana, and so his sweeping “rescue” of Meghan from the firm is his way of doing what he couldn’t for his mother. I think that’s better than what the best psychologist could come up with.
Past behavior is an indicator of future behavior... Megan’s past isn’t exactly pristine with all the people she alienated... even her ex husband who she threw under the bus without his knowledge. And so many other people that have spoken out. They ALL can’t be wrong... she definitely has an agenda
Past behavior is an indicator of future behavior... Megan’s past isn’t exactly pristine with all the people she alienated... even her ex husband who she threw under the bus without his knowledge. And so many other people that have spoken out. They ALL can’t be wrong... she definitely has an agenda
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Her history of alienation is a concern. However, I tend to give her the benefit of the doubt when I hear people like her father and sister speak and realize they are completely vile people. Her letter to her father was nothing but heartfelt, and he blasted it all over the press. That is solely on him, that is not her fault. She seems to have a wide variety of friends who are very lovely people, and that is a good sign. It says a lot that truly good people like Sarina Williams are friends with her, and have been friends with her long before she was really famous.
I think she's probably damaged in some ways much like Harry is damaged. Damaged people tend to find each other, and the results are sometimes not for the best.
I think Meghan Markle was cut from the same cloth as Kate. She kicks people to the curb just like Kate. She wants what she wants, but she had better be careful. She wants to be in control of everyone and everything. Personally I find her to be rather phony. That bit about "thrive not just survive" is a very famous quote from Maya Angelou and when she said it she made it look as though that is her original thought. I also think Harry is quite fragile and she latched right on to that.
I think Meghan Markle was cut from the same cloth as Kate. She kicks people to the curb just like Kate. She wants what she wants, but she had better be careful. She wants to be in control of everyone and everything. Personally I find her to be rather phony. That bit about "thrive not just survive" is a very famous quote from Maya Angelou and when she said it she made it look as though that is her original thought. I also think Harry is quite fragile and she latched right on to that.
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She’s waaaaay smarter than Kate and has work ethic times a hundred. She’s definitely hollywood new age organic juicing and all that, her old blog gives an interesting insight into her. I think she fell victim to what lots of people have in her shoes, she got a taste of the high life (years ago before Harry) and realized over her dead body she will ever ever go back. Tennis and travel and first class motivate her. I also think she’s calling the shots on their social media almost all by herself. She takes a lot of the photos and writes a lot of the blurbs, they sound in her voice. As we know with Kate, it’s not always best to handle your social media yourself.
It would have been nice if she could have spent ten years with Harry before marrying him like Kate did with William and see if she really has it. But biological clocks won’t allow.
Just my two cents regarding Harry and Meghan and the Queen being furious. I think the Queen is still living in the 1950's and thinks she knows best how to handle the family. She certainly messed up a lot of things (Andrew, Charles and his choice of wife....). She and her "courtiers" really don't understand how much racism Meghan is actually experiencing.
I think Charles (although he really messed Diana up) realizes what he did wrong and and is intent of not damaging Harry and Williams lives. I would bet that Charles know exactly what Harry and Meghan are doing and that they discussed everything with him....
If this is a surprise to the Queen, then she is too old to be on the throne and must step down....
And Meghan is NOTHING like Kate.
I always get so disappointed when the talk here turns to Meghan Markle and Harry. This blog is supposed to be about the Gosselins, reality TV and how it affects the kids. I understand the conversation sometimes turns to other topics, movies, books, etc. And that's OK. It makes sense. But Meghan and Harry have never done anything to their baby, but love him. And if they want to withdraw from Royal life, WHO CARES? I avoid all the celebrity sites, like the Kardashians, etc. So what if you think she got in over her head? So what if she controls her media? SO WHAT? She makes mistakes like everyone else. And honestly I don't even think she's making any mistakes, they are just trying to live their lives. They don't deserve to be judged. I look at them like a couple in love and honestly they have done nothing but try to live their lives! where is all this hatred coming from? What has she done that is bothering everyone? This doesn't affect you? This doesn't hurt anyone. So why do we care?? I just don't get it.
I don’t believe racism, skin colour played a part at all. From the outset, Meghan demonstrated a self aggrandized persona. I was prepared to give her the benefit of the doubt, but she continued to put herself first in everything...photos, comments, meetings, introductions. She didn’t need to be a shadow to Harry, but she could have shown a modicum, of decorum. As a Canadian, I am distressed to hear the plan to reside in this country. She demands photo ops at every opportunity; I’m beyond tired of her antics and self-serving ways. I’ll go as far to label her a narcissist, just like Kate. It’s all me, me , me. I’m sorry this site has taken up this coverage. A while ago, I posted on Celebitchy, and wasn’t at all surprised to be given the run off....and not politely. I beg to differ with the opinions given about the queen, and the monarchy in general. In conclusion, Meghan would have been totally disinterested in Harry had he not been a royal. She’s infiltrated the top echelon, used and abused whatever she could. In closing...no more lectures about our carbon footprint from the likes of her
Excellent, well-written article from a British reporter who’s had access to the Royals for many years and is well-respected.
https://www.harpersbazaar.com/celebrity/latest/a30457589/meghan-markle-prince-harry-stepping-down-details/
@18...nicely put and I agree although I wouldn’t have put it so eloquently
@17... yeah she’s in love alright... with the title and status... if he were a garbage man she wouldn’t look twice at him. Let’s be honest
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I always get so disappointed when the talk here turns to Meghan Markle and Harry. This blog is supposed to be about the Gosselins, reality TV and how it affects the kids.
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I agree. That's why I come to this blog - not for the Royals or Trump / politics (which don't interest me at all) or anything else off-topic. Off-topic discussions should have their own threads.
Looks like Megan was stripped of her rings.. she came out of a meeting with nothing on her fingers and made sure she was photographed
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I agree. I don’t even know what’s going on with them. I never see anything about them in passing. And I sure don’t look for anything on them. Doesn’t interest me in particular.
Personally I don’t think just because your spouse is in “politics” that you necessarily have to be involved in politics or live publicly. That goes for the First Lady, in my opinion. Probably an unpopular one, but I don’t care. If my husband happens to run for President it Is the prince of wherever, let him continue to do his thing and I do mine.
It always upset me that Grace Kelly left a ring because she married a prince.
I’m not sure what it has to do with realty tv kids either.
I don't mind the OT when there is nothing new to say about Kate. I just scroll by if I am not interested in it. There has been some interesting stuff here through the years.
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It always upset me that Grace Kelly ACTING because she married a prince.
Looks like Megan was stripped of her rings.. she came out of a meeting with nothing on her fingers and made sure she was photographed
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This is what I mean. The biggest deal over the stupidest stuff. She frequently takes off her rings. In fact didn’t wear them for much of her pregnancy likely because of bloating. Maybe she’s pregnant again. Maybe she finds the rings uncomfortable so likes going without a lot. I’d want to quit all this myself.
The Prince Harry discussion is interesting to me and mostly off topic, however I do see a very informative and firm connection to the consequences of being a child in the spotlight. It clearly damaged Harry deeply from all the public grieving he had to do to going through that divorce so publicly to having his military ambitions crushed by a chatty press. I think there are lessons to be learned from Harry. There are far too many examples of famous children having problems and this is yet another one. Regardless of anyone’s opinion on this I think everyone agrees Harry is quite a mess still in many ways.
In conclusion, Meghan would have been totally disinterested in Harry had he not been a royal. She’s infiltrated the top echelon, used and abused whatever she could. In closing...no more lectures about our carbon footprint from the likes of her
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And big shocker, did not like the royal lifestyle after all. Lol. You're kidding! Human beings are funny creatures. Kate Middleton is practically the only person to marry into the royal family and emerge actually enjoying herself.
I agree with you their carbon footprint lectures are irritating. I even find their comments about the Australian fires annoying as the situation is much, much more complex than simply "climate change." They don't know what their talking about, but then most average people with average intelligence who happen by chance to be mega celebrities don't.
I guess for me though it doesn't bother me when someone is occasionally misinformed or being hypocritical if overall they are making a positive contribution to the world. Overall, their charitable work is extensive and commendable and goes back long before Meghan.
Well the things with the rings are she went into the meeting with them on and came out without them...and then she actually walked out in a very peculiar way with her hands showing... google a picture of it
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There are far too many examples of famous children having problems and this is yet another one.
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I absolutely agree. Children are not equipped to handle the pressures of fame, the press, or society's expectations. Whether it's a royal child or one of the G kids, it's all confusing and scary to them. Even Harry was not exposed to the intense pressure of the press as the G kids have. With them it was constant and unrelenting for years. Diana and her boys posed for pictures on the first day of school, and for the most part the press left them alone on normal school runs. Not so for the G kids--the press was there to document them getting on and off the bus, being yelled at by their mom, day after day. We didn't see Harry going to the bathroom, throwing up, having tantrums as a toddler, or with his pants down. The G kids were filmed doing all of that. Harry didn't have a camera installed in his bedroom so the public could watch him even while he slept. The G kids did. Harry was allowed some dignity, while the G kids were not.
My point is, Harry has had difficulty dealing with press intrusion, the same press intrusion that ultimately led to the loss of his mother. There were people to protect him and give him some privacy along the way, but the effects are clear. The G kids were sold to the press, nobody gave them privacy, and the fact that they were not equipped to handle it was of no interest to anyone (except Jon). They are fortunate that their mother wasn't killed, but I do think that in some ways, fame robbed them of a mother.
Happy New Year everyone! I was 3rd to stop by and share hilarious expose of Meghan's villainous plot to bring down the monarchy! it's in today's Washington Post online
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/01/09/honestly-i-meghan-markle-have-been-plotting-this-my-entire-life/
he is an excerpt, it's by Alexandra Petri and Jessica M. Goldstein
"Hi, everyone! It’s me, Meg. (I did say I’d always be Meg.) I take it you’ve all seen my Instagram, where Harry and I announced our decision to step back as senior members of the royal family and, like you probably would’ve done, used this as an excuse to post another picture from one of our engagement photo shoots. And I guess you could say we caused quite a stir.
Just to clarify: Prince Andrew definitely, absolutely, 100 percent hung out in a manner not “becoming of a member of the royal family” with sexual abuser Jeffrey Epstein. But for reasons that are impossible to discern (wild theories: sexism, racism), the British press is just appalled that I, the Duchess of Sussex, and my husband, a redhead who will never be king, have announced our decision to do as so many of our fellow millennials do: attempt to move out of his parents’ house, gain financial independence and make our own way in the world"
... "Ever since I was a little girl, I fantasized about marrying Prince Harry — for the express purpose of destroying the monarchy, torching centuries of tradition, and throwing the royal family and all its attendant staff and parasitical press into complete, all-consuming chaos..."
my theory: Harry is doing what HE wants to and HE picked HER because he wanted to marry someone who would support HIM and not "the firm". This is a man who served 10 years in the military, did two tours in Afghanistan, and has seen combat. He knows exactly what he's doing.
Another new Duggar baby...JD and Abbie just had a girl. And so the Duggar gravy train chugs on, while Schmoopy can't seem to even get a lousy "set the record straight" interview anywhere.
JR@29 - This was part of the article I just read. I don’t put much stock in the “no ring” conspiracy theory.
Her ring-free appearance on Wednesday evening is thought to be down to post pregnancy weight loss, and could indicate that she is having her rings resized.
You seriously don't think a biracial woman marrying into the British royal family couldn't have anticipated that there would be racism directed her way? I can understand that it might be harder for her to handle than she expected, but the idea that she couldn't have anticipated racism is not based in reality. Do you have any black friends, family, co-workers? Do a survey of them and see see how many could have anticipated that Meghan Markle would be the victim of racism.
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Correct, not everyone sees and anticipates racism around every corner as racism indeed is not around every corner. Nor did racism seem to be a major factor in Meghan's life before she met Harry, barely a blip on the radar and much f her life was very much plastered on social media pre-Harry. Her surprise and horror over what she experienced suggests indeed that racism was quite new and unexpected for her, as it would be. They have also made a point to say many times that the American and Canadian press have been fair and not racist.
My two best friends are black and Hispanic respectively, thanks for asking.
JR@29 - This was part of the article I just read. I don’t put much stock in the “no ring” conspiracy theory.
Her ring-free appearance on Wednesday evening is thought to be down to post pregnancy weight loss, and could indicate that she is having her rings resized.
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She just went back to Canada where Archie was still waiting, and it makes sense she was getting a quick ring adjustment after losing some weight over the holidays.
The American press would never initiate a dumb story like this about a woman who frequently takes her rings off. I'm more convinced than ever she needs to leave England I just wish there was a way to do it that would make everyone happy.
... "Ever since I was a little girl, I fantasized about marrying Prince Harry — for the express purpose of destroying the monarchy, torching centuries of tradition, and throwing the royal family and all its attendant staff and parasitical press into complete, all-consuming chaos..."
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LOL, the Americans were always the more rational ones between the two of us countries!
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my theory: Harry is doing what HE wants to and HE picked HER because he wanted to marry someone who would support HIM and not "the firm". This is a man who served 10 years in the military, did two tours in Afghanistan, and has seen combat. He knows exactly what he's doing.
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I think you're spot on. Harry was never truly happy with girls he has been with who were more like Kate Middleton, ready to just go along and become another law abiding member of the firm. He needed someone who was going to tell him it's okay to feel differently about all this and then to show him how to live a different life. The best thing that could ever happen to that man is to find a girl who had a normal upbringing in a normal place and who knows exactly how one achieves that for their child.
If Harry were going to be king, and by chance he sure could have been, this would be quite a problem. But since he's not and never will be, it all seems a little silly. I wonder how Diana would feel about all this and surely she would have been a wonderful sounding board for him.
My point is, Harry has had difficulty dealing with press intrusion, the same press intrusion that ultimately led to the loss of his mother. There were people to protect him and give him some privacy along the way, but the effects are clear.
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I think you're suggesting Harry has had many moments in his life that he was able to keep very private, unlike the Gosselins, and yet he's STILL struggling with the parts of his life that were made public against his will. In other words, Harry's situation is better than the Gosselins in so many ways yet he still emerged from his childhood feeling things were quite chaotic.
And for the record I think the public death of his mother alone, without anything else, did enough damage to him even if nothing else was ever made public again. He's that fragile from that event.
Oh god. Classic. You've taken the "I'm not a racist...my best friend is Black" to another level.
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Um, no, you asked if I were ever around any minorities. I answered your question. If you don't like the answer, don't ask the question.
Admin (#197), I don't think anyone could possibly get their mind around the intense international scrutiny Meghan has been subjected to. This isn't movie star/pop singer fame: it seems to be an entirely different animal. And with 2020's social media landscape and technological advances, it's light years from even the harsh spotlight Harry's mom endured.
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I agree with that, it can't really be compared to Diana. Diana was hounded by a group of photographers but she didn't have social media. Now, they simply can't be in public without someone on social media blabbing which alerts the press and off they go.
In fact now the news is Harry and Meghan absolutely were NOT ready to announce this departure, had a lot more discussion to do with Charles and the Queen first, but the Sun was hearing rumors about it, started to report it and now Harry and Meghan had no choice. At least coming from their own mouths is better than their family hearing about it from the Sun. So all this complaining about how they didn't tell their family was not because they were being jerks but because the Sun couldn't see fit to give them just a little bit of space to figure out what's best for their family.
The same thing happened with their Canada Christmas trip. They weren't going to say anything because it's frankly no one's business where your family spends the holidays, but their cover got blown so then they had to announce it. That is all because of social media.
I think Charles (although he really messed Diana up) realizes what he did wrong and and is intent of not damaging Harry and Williams lives. I would bet that Charles know exactly what Harry and Meghan are doing and that they discussed everything with him....
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The word is that Charles is bending over backwards for them, adores Harry and Meghan and wants them to be happy. I'm guessing Charles will be the glue that smooths this all over. William is patient too but probably not experienced enough too handle a crisis like this. Charles is the one who said smaller royal family, less of a footprint, so it's hard for him to argue with Harry since this does make things smaller. He's also extremely knowledgeable about organic food and things like that so I'm betting he quite likes Meghan for her interest in those things too.
I think everyone expected Charles to screw up the boys once Diana died, but it didn't happen. By all accounts he's been devoted too them and what's best for them and when he couldn't be there ensured they were with really good hands on nannies (Tiggy was fantastic) and Diana's family. I'll always remember him standing beside William in firm support as a very young William read his first prepared media statement upset over some book about Diana. You could tell maybe he didn't think it was best for William to go all public over these things, but if William wanted to do it, he was behind him 100%. There was also an interview out there when the boys were early 20s in which the love between them was nearly palpable, Charles teasing the boys over playing music too loud and all that. And of course those now iconic images of him escorting Meghan's mother at the wedding. He is a good man and will make a fine king for what time he has on the throne.
No, I did not ask if you were ever around "minorities." I asked if you had ant BLACK friends, etc. and suggested that you survey them. I did not ask you to inform me about your Black and Latina best friends.
Your need to lie about things so easy tobdisprove is pathological. Hellooo? You posted my comment and my exact words are there for all to see.
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Why do you think you are entitled to know who my friends are what their races are and what we have discussed in our friendship? I don't WANT to share with you what we talk about it. I understood your question, I just don't feel like giving you a complete answer because it's not your business.
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think you're suggesting Harry has had many moments in his life that he was able to keep very private, unlike the Gosselins, and yet he's STILL struggling with the parts of his life that were made public against his will. In other words, Harry's situation is better than the Gosselins in so many ways yet he still emerged from his childhood feeling things were quite chaotic.
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Yes, exactly. Children should not, under any circumstances, be thrust into the media. Even in Harry's childhood, where press intrusion was kept to a minimum, it had a negative effect. I'm sure he's doing everything in his power to protect his own family. The loss of his mother was soul-crushing and the memory of that would of course intensify his desire to protect Meghan and Archie.
Charles was cheating on his wife ... that’s not something a good man does... sorry but My husband left me with 4 kids to live with a divorcée with kids so I’m pretty touchy about that
Charles was cheating on his wife ... that’s not something a good man does... sorry but My husband left me with 4 kids to live with a divorcée with kids so I’m pretty touchy about that
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That was a very unique situation in which he was forced into a marriage with a teenager who was not suitable for him and never would be. It really can’t be compared to the average adulter. And because of that he was very intent that his sons marry for love not because she was suitable.
Admin I’m reading your comments and really no offense but it seems that you justify just about every move the royals take... I don’t think you know exactly what’s going on neither do I...and I don’t think anyone should say what their intentions are because we’re not living in their heads... I would just take it easy with the total defense of them
Admin I’m reading your comments and really no offense but it seems that you justify just about every move the royals take... I don’t think you know exactly what’s going on neither do I...and I don’t think anyone should say what their intentions are because we’re not living in their heads... I would just take it easy with the total defense of them
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I don't think that's fair. I've called out Prince Andrew for being so vile (by the way there are now photos of Clinton on the plane with Epstein and Weinstein with girls dressed in flight attendant costumes, FREAK), and I've repeatedly acknowledged how the way Harry and Meghan sometimes do things just doesn't seem to work out right.
I think the total ripping of them for every move is what's disturbing. Realize that during this current incident they are being ripped for doing what millions of other young families have done before them around the world. Moving. When you look at it that way, the outrage is kind of unsettling. There are several articles out now by the American press basically saying the British press over this is almost kind of creepy in the way they are so dismayed with this announcement. They claim the royals have no relevance anymore and Harry is sixth in line, yet they're absolutely having a meltdown. It's interesting to me the American press has to defend this couple against Harry's own country.
Derick Dillard is spilling the tea. Derick and Jill thought that the show was a ministry and the Duggar's were not being paid. TLC reimbursed dome of the costs but the family was not being paid.
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I have a very, very hard time believing somebody like JimBoob would be so stupid as to not be paid.
Perhaps he told stupid Derrick they're not being paid, so he wouldn't have to pay Derrick.
Well we knew she was marrying him for something bigger to come her way.. she just signed a voiceover contract with Disney... you didn’t think she was gonna sit on her Royal ass and settle for that did you?
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Correct, I did not think she would be happy with royal life without big changes and never did.
If they want to make their own money they better start signing contracts for things like voiceover work.
Prince Edward works in the business and h has for years and nobody cares. He too was once sixth in line.
by the way there are now photos of Clinton on the plane with Epstein and Weinstein with girls dressed in flight attendant costumes, FREAK
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Link?
https://nypost.com/2020/01/09/photos-show-bill-clinton-ghislaine-maxwell-on-epsteins-lolita-express-jet/?utm_source=NYPInstagram&utm_medium=Native%2F&utm_campaign=Native&crl8_id=7cd5bc4b-2f4e-490e-8d5f-ff7c08902a9d
Here ya go! Enjoying browsing the photos of Clinton posing with 22 year old rape victims those sick F's made dress up as pilots.
This isn't getting any better.
Send that to Hillary 😂😂😂😂... holy shit!
Nice try at a gotcha game. There are no pics with "girls" in that link...you lied again. A 22 year-old is a woman. A woman who said Clinton did nothing untoward and said she had no reason to believe that Clinton was aware of Epstein's criminal sex crimes.
I'm not sure why you think this is some smoking gun. Clinton has already acknowledged being on that plane.
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Typical.
He said he was on the plane 4 times. Records reveal it was 27. The girls, who were victims and barely legal, were made to dress up as pilots. It's kinky at best.
Sure there's nothing untoward about 60 year olds hanging out with 22 year olds you have made to dress as pilots. Of course he made sure to not actually cross the line, he's not stupid anymore. It's called plausible deniability. I never actually DID anything, of course, I was just around everything disgusting and illegal going on. Therefore he's innocent.
Give it up, this is all disgusting and awful and exploitive and you darn well know it.
Guess there’s More than one FREAK to discuss
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Look over here. Waving hands. Don't look at this, look at this other thing!
Why can't you just call a spade a spade? Why can't you just acknowledge you were wrong, Clinton is ALL OVER this scandal like I told you he was on day one. You're extremely hypocritical.
Apparently Meghan's voice over payment was given to an elephant charity, not to her.
You would have to completely naive or a total idiot to think Clinton was innocent in that especially with his background ..... PLEASE!
You would have to completely naive or a total idiot to think Clinton was innocent in that especially with his background ..... PLEASE!
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Clinton sheeple.
And here's the thing, let's assume for argument's sake oh he never did anything. He was just there. Except, why would you do that? Why would you choose to be around something so nefarious and risk public ridicule, exposure, and civil and criminal liability? If you're not partaking in the spoils, then cut off contact with him. There's no good reason not to.
Keep in mind, these contacts occurred AFTER he was a convicted pedophile and served almost 2 years. Is it wise to take 27 private flights with a convicted pedophile?
The only explanation is that Clinton also was taking part on some level. There's no other reason to risk this sort of constant contact with someone like him.
Clinton acted like he was untouchable... so anything he’s done doesn’t surprise me
Found something else VERY funny and probably oh so true, a comedy bit from BBC from Sept 2019. How Meghan can be a Perfect Princess
https://www.facebook.com/28373121592/posts/10156663524106593/
If I forgot the link here it is!
https://www.facebook.com/28373121592/posts/10156663524106593/
Some extremely insightful comments that should give everyone pause about the reaction to Meghan and Harry's big decision:
The reaction to Meghan trying to carve out a new life with her husband "reinforces the stereotype of black women being destructive, divisive and unsatisfied," says Nsenga Burton, a professor at Emory University in Atlanta who specializes in the intersection of race, class, gender and the media.
"People are cool with black women as long as we go along to get along," she said. "As soon as we start standing up for ourselves and saying, 'This is not working for me,' we become the problem."
Eubanks argues that Prince Harry presenting a united front with his spouse "triggers people" because it places "a white Prince of royal blood and a black American woman commoner" on equal footing.
"That sight doesn't sit well with everyone due to how they've been conditioned to view women and people of color, whether they realize it or not."
Joy!.... @31
Mike drop...BOOM!
I nomination comment of the year
special mentions to :
Martha....18
JR...20
and all new posters...
RUMSPRINGA under the verandha. 2nd one left
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reading on comp and texting...crappy weather here.
Hi franky! We are having a day of lovely weather in Virginia, come on over and sit on the verandah, I'll pour the Rumspringa and we can have some delicious, not hard as a rock, fruitcake soaked heavily in Kill Devil rum made with pecans and honey, from the distillery on the Outer Banks.
I'm sure Harry, Meghan, and even the queen will do just fine without us!
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/harry-and-meghans-escape-from-the-poisonous-palace-rg75t9rxc
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Interesting piece from the journalist who did the bombshell Harry/Meghan documentary last year. Contrary to all the complaints saying Harry and Meghan used the documentary to whine about their royal lives, he says in actuality he had to practically beg Harry and Meghan to please answer a few personal questions. He also says from almost day one after the wedding much of the royal family has been vile and jealous toward them. He notes that's not so of the queen who has been supportive.
And, as I said gathered from other sources the other day, Harry and Meghan absolutely wanted to work with the royal family on a path out of the family everyone would agree to, but it got leaked, so they, for better or worse, jumped the gun.
There's always two sides to every story isn't there?
I'm beginning to think all that Harry wanted in a wife was a way out and that Meghan promised him that way and that was it, he was whipped. I recall his interview before he met her saying nobody wanted to be king least of all him.
...voice over payment was given to an elephant charity, not to her...
What I've read is that charity donation was payable to her foundation, of which 5% goes to the elephant charity. She keeps the rest as 'expenses'. The charity payment wasn't made directly to the elephant place. Big difference, if true.
As 6th in line for the throne, Harry really does deserve a chance at a somewhat normal life. He isn't needed & who wouldn't want to escape? I'm just wondering if he can adjust.
5% to the charity? Rather a meager percentage!
95 percent of their income now is from Daddy. 5 percent is from taxpayers. The elephant charity is a separate thing. The big thing they keep emphasizing is how much they want to earn their own way. Imagine that Kate, kids who don’t like that they are just handed the “best.” Who find a life of wealth and leisure ultimately dissatisfying.
A lot of people don’t realize the royals are very wealthy independent of tax payers. Properties and horses. If Harry and Meghan are serious they first need to cut out the 5 percent and then work directly with Charles to phase out his checks.
I hope they don’t have to come crawling back five years from now wanting his money again. If they do this break they’re going to have to do it for good.
The queen said in statement she’s “entirely supportive” of Meghan and Harry’s wishes. That woman is a rock and all class.
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...voice over payment was given to an elephant charity, not to her...
What I've read is that charity donation was payable to her foundation, of which 5% goes to the elephant charity. She keeps the rest as 'expenses'. The charity payment wasn't made directly to the elephant place. Big difference, if true.
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With all due respect, that is not how foundations work. The founders can collect a salary, but they do not pocket money listed as "expenses"...that's certainly not legal in the US and I highly doubt it is in the UK either.
The big thing they keep emphasizing is how much they want to earn their own way. Imagine that Kate, kids who don’t like that they are just handed the “best.” Who find a life of wealth and leisure ultimately dissatisfying.
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I don't think it's that cut and dried. They likely will become independent by capitalizing on their positions as royals. Nothing inherently wrong with that, but it's not as if Meghan is going to go back to auditioning and Harry is going to wait tables while he finds a career path. They can make many millions through speaking engagements, books, merchandise, etc...avenues only open to them by virtue of who they are. And if she wants to return to acting, she will be offered roles that would never have come her way before. Again, I'm not suggesting any of that is wrong, but I think this whole "independence" notion is complex.
I don't think it's that cut and dried. They likely will become independent by capitalizing on their positions as royals. Nothing inherently wrong with that, but it's not as if Meghan is going to go back to auditioning and Harry is going to wait tables while he finds a career path. They can make many millions through speaking engagements, books, merchandise, etc...avenues only open to them by virtue of who they are. And if she wants to return to acting, she will be offered roles that would never have come her way before. Again, I'm not suggesting any of that is wrong, but I think this whole "independence" notion is complex.
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Right well it’s not bye dad off to wait tables while I try to make it as a documentary filmmaker. But they weren’t even allowed to make money before this break. And they couldn’t really do much of any work without the family approving. And had to get criticized the whole time for living off taxpayers when they didn’t even want to. This way they don’t have to live off taxpayers, or Charles, and can choose what they do to earn money without approval. That has to be tremendously freeing, especially for a man like Harry who has never in his life been able to do that.
They stand to have many more opportunities sent their way for being who they are, but some credit must be given to them for that. They work hard at their charities both long before they met each other and they have both proven themselves capable patrons, and excellent at speaking and with the public. No one can say they phone it in.
I think lots of people underestimate how deeply unsatisfying such a life can be to many people with certain personalities and made even more frustrating when the whole exercise seems pointless now that it’s virtually certain you’ll never be king. God help us if William ever has some kind of bizarre change in heart and wants to abdicate the throne to Harry. That would be a real mess.
That will be the next interesting thing to watch. Can Harry spend 35 years having his life dissecting in the press and going through his most private and painful moments on camera, and shut it off? Will he be able to adjust in a healthy manner to the sort of "normal" life I sense Meghan longs to show him and provide their son?
Yes, it's called racism and it's very real. It also exists for people other than Meghan Markle, but oddly enough you only care about her and not the experience of the average person of color. In your world, racism only matters when it impacts someone you seem obsessed with. All those other people of color are making shit up when they talk about the impact of racism on their lives, because the white lawyer thinks it barely exists.
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Apparently it exists in Great Britain, which is why they're running to NORTH AMERICA (they've repeatedly identified North America as what they're interested in, and not specifically Canada ) to get away from it. Oh the irony, somebody running to this side of the pond to get away from racism, to the place you're convinced is riddled with racism.
And yet, it's a safe haven for this terrorized couple. The BBC calling their baby a monkey, the bizarre outrage over 6th in line wanting out from Britain and how dare a black woman tell a prince what to do, while this side's media has offered almost exclusive support and understanding and both Harry and Meghan have repeatedly praised this side's press. Guess your racism isn't as bad as you thought. Here anyway.
You have to subscribe to thetimes to read the articles, unfortunately. It only gave me the first paragraph.
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MadAboutMeghan has a summary of many of the article's comments:
https://madaboutmeghan.blogspot.com/2020/01/tom-bradbys-troubling-article-for-times.html
My god, only a privileged white woman could dare to claim that there is no racism in the U.S.
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I never claimed there was no racism in the U.S. What was said, is it's not lurking around every corner. It is by all accounts uncommon and rare and time and time again it has been proven allegation were outright made up (Jesse anyone?) or simply there was a misunderstanding. Naturally your lot wants you to think we're living in dark times because that gets them votes, I'm surprised someone clearly as intelligent as yourself would fall for such an old trick.
Does it make ANY sense that a couple upset by racist remarks made specifically by British publications would run away to this side of the pond to get away if racism was even WORSE here?
The reason they're picking Canada is because the US is not part of the Commonwealth. It softens the blown of all this. They will be spending much of their time in the US as well. The majority of Canadians live right on the border and they likely will too. Her mother lives happily in Los Angeles 15 miles down the road from me, apparently she is not terrified of racism around every corner either.
Dozens of Americans have taken to social media to support them. The American press has bent over backwards to be kind to them. PROFESSORS spoke out here in support and blasting the British media. Meanwhile the British continue to blast the black woman who dares to take her man on a different path. Who is racist here?
My only error is having no idea Britain was actually the one so racist. I'm as shocked as Meghan is.
And only your lot would like you to believe that someone who came from NOTHING is only here because they are "privileged" and didn't actually succeed by, gasp, hard work and perseverance. Your lot just loves to take away the credit from hard working Americans who pursued their dreams. It's really, really charming.
American celebs very publicly supporting Harry and Meghan:
Oprah
Andy Cohen
Jameela Jamil
Bethenny Frankel
Bette Midler
Amy Schumer
THE ENTIRE PANEL OF THE VIEW agreed they support it
And on, and on, and on.
Meanwhile across the pond the British celebs are freaking out. Piers Morgan for starters. Parliament members are tweeting up a storm freaking out. It can't be said enough, they are SIXTH in line and falling!
And THIS, the U.S., is the racist place? The racist place is the one that's totally fine with all this?
That marriage will not last.. every relationship she’s had lasted two years and there have plenty.. why is this different? It’s not .. a predictor of future behavior is past behavior...at 38 she’s committing now??? Doubtful.. anyone who thinks this happily ever after has a screw lose
f racism exists in Great Britain and they are running to North America to get away from it, the implication is that there is no racism in the U.S. Logically, how can one escape from racism in a place where racism exists?
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You'd never score well on the LSAT. Good logic there.
If I'm allergic to coconuts I might move away from a place like Hawaii to a place that doesn't really have coconuts, like Alaska. Of course its as SOME coconuts you can find if you really try, but they're not on any corner.
The fact that there may be some isolated incidents of racism in the US AND Canada does not mean it does not provide a safe haven for them. After all Canadian's prime minister himself just had his own racism controversy for wearing blackface, the point is the press attention on this side of the pond has been world's apart from the might I say CREEPY British press. It's like they think because they happen to pay a couple bucks in taxes a year for him that Harry is a possession they own and not a person with feelings.
Meghan is using a US PR firm for this whole thing. They clearly feel very comfortable stateside. They chose to both spend their xmas break in the US and Canada (thanksgiving was in LA) and now want to live over here. They've said as much. They've flat out said they want to get away from the British press and that our press is fair and kind.
In some you're a nut, get help.
That marriage will not last.. every relationship she’s had lasted two years and there have plenty.. why is this different? It’s not .. a predictor of future behavior is past behavior...at 38 she’s committing now??? Doubtful.. anyone who thinks this happily ever after has a screw lose
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Ehhh, people keep saying that, but I think if it wasn't going to last he would have gotten out before they had a child together. This one is going to last, and they're going to have 2-3 kids and live here and be like our generation's Wallace Simpson. They're too mutually beneficial to each other. Even if the love fades, they'll remain friends in the marriage. They've been together nearly four years now counting the dating. Harry wouldn't be going to all this trouble for something he's not in for the long haul. What I do think was happening for years now, because in hindsight he's been hinting about it for years, is he has been deeply unhappy in his family and in his role. What he didn't know how to do on his own was get out. Meghan, a smart, savvy, capable woman, knew how to get out and showed him how. And here we are. It's possible they knew they were going to do this from day one, but felt it wasn't really kosher to do so until they've at least paid back the lavish wedding with a couple years of dutiful engagements instead of running here 6 weeks after the marriage. They didn't just dream this up overnight after some eggnog. It's also been widely reported they didn't expect to get pregnant so quickly with Archie as who would at her age, they thought they could need fertility treatments and it would be a process, so it's also possible they wanted to hold off on making this huge move until kids, which they thought would take a couple years. When Archie came right away and they realized how quickly he was growing up and the dysfunction of his life, they had to speed up the timeline of the megxit. That's my speculation.
I'm glad to hear by all accounts the meeting with the family went well and the queen's press release was very loving. Harry and William also released a joint statement having to tell the, again, BRITISH press please stop saying William bullied Harry out of the family it is very disrespectful to real bullying and untrue.
Umm.. Idris Elba. Need I say more? I see no color, I only see stars & one hell of a sexy man. I saw one episode of Luther & my heart was burning. the LEAST of Meghan's problems is ethnicity. Harry has been in love with her since she was in Suits. She's gorgeous.
As long as Harry can function without missing his family or rather the "structure of the Firm" I give them great odds. But he is going to need to find something that matters a great deal to him. I think Diana would be very proud of him.
Let's just change this site to 15 Minutes Meghan and be done with it.
Let's just change this site to 15 Minutes Meghan and be done with it.
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If there's something else you want to discuss by all means raise it.
This is a bombshell celeb story right now, and has a more than tenuous connection to child stars, and if posters want to discuss it they may.
Umm.. Idris Elba. Need I say more? I see no color, I only see stars & one hell of a sexy man. I saw one episode of Luther & my heart was burning. the LEAST of Meghan's problems is ethnicity. Harry has been in love with her since she was in Suits. She's gorgeous.
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Contrary to anonymous's assertions, Meghan when she was allowed to speak more, before she met Harry, actually acknowledged that many people had no idea she was half African American because she tends to favor her father and looks very white. She could easily be mistaken for italian or spanish. She's a lovely girl who has not spent her life wallowing in her circumstances or looking for racist people out to get her.
One can hardly be the victim of racism if others don't even realize there's someone available to be racist toward, lol.
Gee, guess who else thinks there's racism in the US? Not the duchess herself! Oh no, is she nuts too?
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That show was made in Canada! Baw!!
Notice she says she found the reaction unexpected. That’s because she doesn’t find racism around any corner. Also, how does she know the three anonymous troll comments are Americans? They could be anyone. How does she know they’re not just trolls trying to get a rise out of her. Nice try but you haven’t proved your point by digging up three anonymous comments. The overwhelming majority of comments from Americans about Meghan over the years have been nothing but supportive and complimentary. If America is so racist why do they like this woman so much? Go back to your troll
Hole.
I saw a meme with a picture of Yoko Ono captioned "I broke up the Beatles". Next to her was a picture of Megan with the caption "Hold my beer". lol
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I saw a meme with a picture of Yoko Ono captioned "I broke up the Beatles". Next to her was a picture of Megan with the caption "Hold my beer". lol
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Now that is funny!
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I saw a meme with a picture of Yoko Ono captioned "I broke up the Beatles". Next to her was a picture of Megan with the caption "Hold my beer". lol
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Now that is funny!
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Ha-ha!
And then there's systemic racism.
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That is nearly a made up concept to get people upset and voting for them.
Time for you to stop getting played and stop with the arrogance that anyone who dares disagree with you must be living in a white privileged bubble. Not everyone with critical thinking skills and the ability to read and understand actual statistics can simply be disregarded and brushed aside as privileged and white, hard as you wish it were that easy.
And your girl crush Meghan agrees with me, so I guess she belongs in a hole too.
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Right, because if you think Meghan Markle doesn’t deserve the vile treatment she’s received (and as evidenced by social media the vast majority of Americans don’t) must have some sort of sexual ideas about her.
Doesn’t my defense of Meghan suggest the very opposite of what you’re trying to prove? If America is so racist and the whites so privileged why are so many of the so called white privileged of us so upset at this treatment? Shouldnt it be the opposite? Shouldn’t we be cheering on the Daily Mail and poking fun at the monkey baby?
When you’re going to put forth a very tenuous and illogical position at best, you should probably make sure jt all adds up first. You’ve twisted yourself into quite a pretzel.
“It’s often much easier for people to believe someone’s testimony as opposed to understanding complex data and variation across a continuum. Quantitative scientific measures are almost always more accurate than personal perceptions and experiences, but our inclination is to believe that which is tangible to us, and/or the word of someone we trust over a more ‘abstract’ statistical reality.”
Admin.. maybe I’m stupid but I didn’t understand a word you said...😂😂😂.. that was a little over my head.. after all I was only an art major
Maybe time to change the subject?
There's nothing to say about TFW these days.
So......
I just finished "Where the Crawdads Sing" & wasn't as enamoured with it as others seem to be. I found it slow. Anyone here read it?
Lots of snow overnight so we're supposed to stay off the roads. Good excuse to watch "The Irishman" sometime today & bake a loaf of bread.
Christina Aguilera just posted a picture of her 12-year-old son Max with his arms around her neck while Max's dad -- her ex-husband -- gives Max a birthday cake. The caption: "We make blended families work. It's a beautiful thing."
If TFW had loved her kids more than she hated Jon, she would have learned to co-parent. And I bet she would still be a celebrity. She would still be on TV. She would still be rich. She blew it all, and has no one to blame but herself.
FlimsyFlamsy...93 Yup. Every last word. So true.
I’m bored with the royals. What’s everyone been up too?
JR- I could be way off but I think admin meant we read and hear things (gossip) but we don’t know the facts of what’s going on. That’s how I read it anyway.
Also, back when baby Archie was born it was either msnbc or cnn that said “will they raise him as a black child”. My 1st reaction was WTF????? Who says that or thinks that? I’m pretty sure they’ll raise him as their child, not a color. I didn’t raise my children white, I just raised them. Period. Our daughter is due to have a biracial baby. He or she won’t be raised in a color either, the baby will know love and acceptance.
Flimsy, your so right! If only she coparented like a normal adult she’d be rich now. But she couldn’t move passed her hate for Jon. “He took away her riches” no Kate, you did that all by yourself! I wonder if she ever paid Jon? How long would it take to lock her up if she missed the deadline?
jolie Jacquelyn (#92), we both changed the topic at the same time!
Always nice to see you come up from under the veranda.
There's a new Food Network show Alyson Hannigan is hosting. It's some kind of Girl Scout Cookie baking challenge. I can think of a mother of 5 girls (and 3 dirty, icky boys) who probably would've been a great fit for a show like that. Even a judging gig on one of those shows would give her some cash and exposure. But she seems to have burned all her bridges behind her.
Thanks for the clarification... I’m guess I’m not the brightest bulb
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So......
I just finished "Where the Crawdads Sing" & wasn't as enamoured with it as others seem to be. I found it slow. Anyone here read it?...
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I tried to read it. I picked it up multiple times, struggled to read a few pages, but I just couldn't make any progress; reading nit became a chore rather than a pleasure. I asked myself many times what everyone saw in the book to rave about it so much and then finally just have up.
It's reassuring to know I'm not alone in this opinion. It never 'grabbed' me and I was so disappointed because I was looking forward to it based on it's reviews.
Speaking of books we're reading, I just read Sally Field's autobiography, and good God, did that woman ever have one f-ed up life. I had NO idea. And she named names, big time named names. Near everybody was an asshole to her and she let us know WHO.
Flimsy, your so right! If only she coparented like a normal adult she’d be rich now.
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No one can ever undue a narcissist but the narcissist themselves.
Can you imagine how much money this woman would have made on reunion specials WITH Jon? Going on a trip together and coparenting. She could have even gotten her Paris. There's millions in that.
I’m bored with the royals. What’s everyone been up too?
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I think even the royals themselves are starting to get bored with themselves. The queen has said twice now this will be resolved in the next couple days, even she is like, "enough already."
I finished Sally Fields' book not long before the big to-do and was fascinated and horrified. I hope her life is settled now and she is in a peaceful situation. There is an interesting correlation about being forced to work, no matter what, like the Gosselin children had to do.
Also, back when baby Archie was born it was either msnbc or cnn that said “will they raise him as a black child”. My 1st reaction was WTF?????
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I heard about this and that's my reaction to. But you see, these progressives who are so proud of themselves for being so woke actually believe that if a white person is involved in the raising of a child who is not white, they must have some kind of white savior complex, The Blind Side, and it can never possibly be good for the child. I can think of about a hundred foster parents right now of a variety of races raising children of a variety of races who would find this all terribly, terribly offensive and what's more, a flat out lie.
What one tends to find the more people pearl clutch and accuse others of of outrageous allegations like racism, is that they themselves are often guilty of exactly what they claim to so despise. Some kind of Freudian thing or just stupidity or both.
I just watched "Don't F**k with Cats" on Netflix. It's a docu-series about the murder of Lin Jun, one of Canada's most infamous crimes. His murderer was a guy named Luka Magnotta, an "internet-influencer" wannabe.
At one point, Luka posted some very disturbing videos of animal cruelty (cats being killed). I recommend you close your eyes during this part of the story - it is disturbing. Fortunately, it's only shown for a few minutes.
Anyway, a group of people on the internet do some digging and try to figure out who is behind these cat videos. Their search turns into a "world-wide manhunt" after Magnotta escalated his crimes.
I was fascinated by the story, it was so interesting! The documentary was very well made. I had never heard of this crime. Can somebody from Canada chime in and give some insight?
And please...if you haven't seen this docu-series, I totally recommend it.
I finished Sally Fields' book not long before the big to-do and was fascinated and horrified. I hope her life is settled now and she is in a peaceful situation. There is an interesting correlation about being forced to work, no matter what, like the Gosselin children had to do.
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Yes and as an extremely young adult she was expected to support the family and did it without even considering maybe she might want to hold onto her own hard earned money. That taking care of her kid sister and mother and stepdad and real dad wasn’t her problem. I wanted to scream when she would cut checks to the people most vile to her.
I have to say I was impressed with her drive to be more than a bubble gum actress like everybody else. She could have had a fine career doing dumb sitcoms and made plenty of money at it. She would work all day doing the dumb stuff then study acting hard all evening so she could do the stuff Oscars are made of. She elevated herself from one level to the next by sheer will power.
There are a lot of question marks for me in the book. I never got where her drive comes from. Maybe she herself doesn’t know. I was disappointed the book pretty much stopped in the 70s. I wanted to hear stories and antidotes from all her great films after that. And, I have to say, to this day I’m not sure she fully understands what happened to her and how at fault her own mother is for it and how it has shaped the entire rest of her life. Has she ever actually dealt with her sexual abuse in a healthy manner? I’m thinking something like with a really good psychologist. The book doesn’t say, which makes me concerned about her own ability to recognize and protect from sexual abuse among her own loved ones now if god forbid it ever happened to them.
Admin- it’s kind of like homophobia, they’re afraid of their own feelings coming out. And how do you raise a child black, white, brown, etc?
Kirkland- I listen to true crime podcasts, I find them so interesting! Luka Magnotta was featured on both sword and scale and true crime junkies. It was one of the most disturbing stories. But the doc was amazing! Thank god for the internet folks! Imagine if they hadn’t pursued him?
Over the summer I read stonewalled by Sheryl Atkinson. She is suing the fbi now. It was such a good story and an eye opener for anyone who drank Obama’s koolaid! Talk about a corrupt administration! Wow!
Another good book is out of the darkness, the story of Mary Ellen Wilson. It’s about the 1st child abuse case that started child protection.
Admin- it’s kind of like homophobia, they’re afraid of their own feelings coming out. And how do you raise a child black, white, brown, etc?
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Exactly like that. Look at the Oscars. Oh my god how much has Hollywood droned on and on about diversity and inclusiveness??? Guilt and shame and scolding tweets. But in the dark corners of their private homes when they cast their votes it’s white-white-white movies, actors and directors even though there were several deserving minority films snubbed this year.
I will forever be suspicious of a scold, as time and again those wagging their finger the most end up being a big fat hypocrite.
I highly doubt that the question about the baby was phrased quite that way. What's the problem with wondering if Black culture will be woven into his upbringing?
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I guess number one, it's none of anyone's damn business what "culture" (or cultures) a couple wish to raise their son with, whatever that means. Or how about just raise your child and not be so obsessed with that?
And number two, did you MISS THIS STORY? It was ALL OVER. African Americans and many others were absolutely outraged, including myself. It was so beyond racist, insensitive, not woke. And creepy, frankly.
Here, here's a story to read about the whole debacle to enlighten you about how incredibly racists the progressives actually are, you know, the ones who tell us all day long they're not. And that's why I don't watch CNN anymore, even though I used to work for them. But I worked for them in a time when none of this nonsense went on.
https://www.newsweek.com/cnn-how-black-royal-baby-controversial-sub-headline-mixed-race-1417770
Clack - I really need to listen to podcasts more often.
Has anybody else seen this documentary? What other documentary do you recommend?
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I just watched "Don't F**k with Cats" on Netflix. It's a docu-series about the murder of Lin Jun, one of Canada's most infamous crimes. His murderer was a guy named Luka Magnotta, an "internet-influencer" wannabe.
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That actually sounds interesting. I remember hearing about it, but never really looked into it. I'll definitely have to skip over the animal cruelty parts--especially cats because I'm a cat lover. And a dog lover too. And pretty much every other kind of animal out there.
I agree that Kate could have gone so much farther if she had learned to co-parent. But she had to win at all costs. Her oppositional defiance was the end of her. You can't win at all times, you have to lose sometimes too. But she never learned to compromise in any situation, so her drive to always think she's winning cost her everything. Good job, Kate. She's been quiet on IG for 3 1/2 months now. I think she's working the phones nonstop, desperate to get herself on TV again. Then she thinks she'll make a triumphant return to social media, trumpeting her latest "win". Only I don't think there will be a win this time. She's made herself too much of a liability for anyone to take a chance on her--and that's all her own doing. TLC cut her loose in 2011, when she was still very much a celebrity, and nobody else picked her up. In the end she went back to TLC. Now that they're gone and she's lost pretty much all of her popularity, what does she have to offer? Nothing, really. Once she figures that out she'll come crawling back to IG for some attention and validation. But she's over. Done. She tried so hard to destroy Jon that she destroyed herself in the process.
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Have you seen Dirty John on Netflix? It's worth watching.
From Dmasy --
I suggest Dirty John. Listen to the podcast and have a delicious dessert -- the Mini Series on Netflix.
Anything about Dee Dee Blanchard and her daughter is fascinating. Also, has a movie called "The Act".
The act was very good! So was dirty John, it was mentioned here not long ago, about up talking. Nails on chalkboard! The story was fascinating!
I enjoy ID channel too, they’re supposed to do a special this year, the lost boys of bucks county. We used to live not far from where it happened.. I can’t wait for that one.
I was just watching dr Phil, has Kate ever gone on his show? I wish she would, I can see her now thinking he’d side with her, thinking she can’t possibly be wrong. He’s tear her a new one!
So Mady said in one of her stories that her NY resolution for this year is to post “ more often”. Now that TLC is out of the picture, I’m sure Mady will utilize YouTube and Instagram a lot more as she clearly loves the attention
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Yes she did with Jon in 2009. I cant find a video of it.
https://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/jon-gosselin-reveals-he-and-kate-met-with-dr-phil-200999/
Interesting. I found this quote from Dr Phil at the end of an article about Octomom. Funny how it fits TFW too.
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Dr. Phil's Final Thought
"Kids should not be born with a job of healing their mother or filling her void. That's not fair for children to come into this world with a job, and for her to make that decision is wrong," Dr. Phil says. "She made that decision because she's not psychologically equipped to make a better decision. So why not stop judging her for it. Get her some help for that."
Collin posted praising the Irwins for helping the animals in the fires in Australia. I’m not surprised he’s the one in the family to use his social media to highlight them. Kate’s predictably silent about her “friends.”
Hey, I got an idea for a new subject. How about covering the impeachment trial of Donald John Trump? Forget Meghan & Harry, we've got a real bombshell celeb story right now.
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Because out of respect for our posters, posters you clearly don't respect, they have asked us not to discuss it, and because a trial in which everybody already knows the outcome is exoneration is, um, let's call it, boring? (Almost as boring as the only snoozefest candidates you can come up with to challenge the man behind an absolutely amazing four years for this country). Thanks for playing.
So Mady said in one of her stories that her NY resolution for this year is to post “ more often”. Now that TLC is out of the picture, I’m sure Mady will utilize YouTube and Instagram a lot more as she clearly loves the attention
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She is a lot like Kate and I'm not saying that to be mean, but Kate is the same way with social media. She loves the attention of it, but she's also lazy, and those two come together resulting in things like complete abandonment of social media platforms, or infrequent postings and ignoring posters.
We have learned from Kate that when laziness and narcissistic supply intersect, laziness tends to win.
Also Mady is probably getting a lot of her own narcissistic supply at college, that's easy enough to find freshman year when everyone is desperate to make their group of friends and fawn all over each other once they do.
The act was very good! So was dirty John, it was mentioned here not long ago, about up talking. Nails on chalkboard! The story was fascinating!
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The Act and Dirty John were both very good both with parallels to the Gosselin. The Act's mother was on the same spectrum as Kate she just happened to divert into Munchausen's.
Dirty John was willing to lie cheat and steal to get to where he wanted to be, just like Kate. It just happened to result in murder.
Everything is varying degrees of the same.
You, on Netflix, is aimed toward a much younger crowd, but I find myself enjoying it. It's kind of like Dexter for the CW.
It is apparently extremely damaging for kids to have a job, any kind of job, isn't it? Kids apparently just must not have a job, with the exception of maybe "school" as their "job."
Look at Prince Harry. Knew from boyhood it was his job to be the dutiful spare and support his brother's job of a king in waiting. He has never not had this job and finally he said I'm sick of this job. That turned out oh so well.
Oh lord, did you bother to read the essay itself or just have a freak out over the question? Because if you (and many others) had bothered to read it -- all the way to the end -- you would understand that the author was arguing against people caring about "how black the baby would be." Click bit hysteria at its finest.
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Huh? I understood the opinion piece perfectly, and read it to the end. The piece was to explain to YOU what the uproar was all about since you claimed ignorance even though this topic claims to really interest you, you don't seem to know the history at all. Thankfully not everyone at CNN is nuts, including that author, but it WAS several people at CNN that was a big participant in the "how black will the baby be" racist nonsense. You do know the CNN is like 30 on camera talents right, with all different opinions? It's not like one person and they all speak for that one person's opinion.
I think Kate went on Dr. Phil for a fluff interview. He gave her a keurig because the one she owned broke. She also got a replacement from keurig.
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Man, talk about drinking the Kool-aid. He's only been in office for three years.
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Three down, five more to go!
It's really no wonder why the number of comments have dramatically decreased over the last two or three years.
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That's really nasty and simply illogical. The reason the blog has slowed down is because there is so little to talk about regarding the blog's original purpose. In fact all other blogs about the Gosselin have now officially fallen. We're the only one left. I am lucky if I can find some Gosselin news for a new post once a month, if that. Interest in Kate is, mercifully, gone, therefore there's far less to talk about. We'll likely stick around for awhile yet as long as people want to check in with each other now and again and so how everyone is doing and in case there is any new news. But get real.
Even though there is not much going on with Kate, this blog is still informative on other subjects and I quite enjoy them. I know the blog was started to "showcase" the evil of a certain reality star. The world doesn't revolve around Kate and neither should this blog if nothing is going on with her. I hope this blog goes on for some time to come.
Personally, I'll move to Canada before I spend another minute under Trump's reign of narcissism. You recognize it in Kate, but you don't see the same in Trump? What has he ever done for anyone that has not gained him some narcissistic supply? He only cares about himself. Period.
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Our last three presidents. No, four, have all been narcissists. In modern times, nobody runs for president who isn’t also a narcissist. All of the democratic candidates this year are also narcissists. So to cherry pick one narcissist over the other as if they are so much better is somewhat illogical.
Ah the old Canada threat. The one everyone threatened last time but never did. Problem is Canada doesn’t just take people who want to come. Unlike us, their borders are sealed up tight.
They’re all narcissist... why do you think they’re in that business... use your brain
From Dmasy --
I am one that isn't interested in discussing politics here. I have my opinions. I am sure most of the other regulars have theirs. We NEED to be involved and informed. We should all vote. It is completely understandable that we would have different ideas and preferences.
Out of respect for friends and family and neighbors I don't voice my thoughts when I am pretty sure they won't be welcome. Why would I come here to cause dissent? Respect.
To Kirkland -- there are some vintage podcasts about Jodi Arias or Casey Anthony. Even older -- Betty Broderick. These all involve discussions of why and what kind of mind set allows a person to make such choices. Narcissism will be mentioned more than once.
Politics was rarely discussed before but then Trump came up and there was such a huge connection to Kate. At this point though it’s orettt far removed from that reason to discuss it but his haters still can’t let it go. What a way to live in such misery. If I spent eight years of Obamas presidency hating him and being miserable I think I would have aged twice as fast.
It’s always fascinated me kate has refused to acknowledge trump since Celebrity Apprentice. That tells me that unlike most other contestants who used the experience to springboard themselves into other things, she squandered it. She rarely seems to come out of anything with another opportunity developing or a great new contact. It can’t be over his politics since she’s clueless about anything.
Mention of Canadian Luca Magnotta reminds me of the Paul Bernardo & Karla Homolka case. Called Ken & Barbie in the papers for their innocent good looks....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riUqCqDzWeY
Karla went on to have three children after she got out of jail. Poor kids, having to live with their mother's notoriety.
From Dmasy --
A very interesting book (at least for our group!). "An Only Child and Her Sister" by Casey Clair.
Early in the book you will search Youtube for the I Love Lucy episode titled "Charm School". Hulu has it!
Dmasy (#133), I Love Lucy...now you're speaking my language! I know that episode well. Does the book involve the actress who played Eve, the character who inspires Lucy and Ethel to become glamour girls? The only other guest star was Natalie Schaeffer, who played Mrs. Howell on Gilligan's Island.
Where have they asked not to discuss it? I haven't seen any comments about that.
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Dozens of posters have asked not to discuss it. Sometimes I don't publish the comments not because I'm disagreeing but because it's a request made directly to me or I'm trying to stop a thread getting heated.
No, Canada is not a threat. We have been discussing it for years. We have several close friends in Edmonton.
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Canada isn't a threat but you can't just "move to Canada," because they keep their borders tight. You can't even just marry somebody and expect to become a citizen. My cousin married a Canadian and lives in outside Toronto, intends to permanently, and it's been a nightmare even then to get citizenship.
Even Prince Harry may have trouble, a major Canadian newspaper is saying legally he actually has no right to just "move to Canada."
When it comes to Trump, he is entitled his opinion but not to make up his own facts.
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I could say the same for the past four presidents.
If you like your health care plan you can keep it? Weapons of Mass Destruction?
Ring a bell? These are serious, serious lies that resulted in untold number of DEATHS.
The media also lies and misleads constantly, and that's been proven too. Kids in cages, let's start there, as they showed a photo of kids in cages during the OBAMA YEARS. Good lord.
I mean we could play this game all day but all presidents lie, all presidents are narcissists, all presidents do untoward things. They are politicians and the really nasty ones rise to the top because in the age off media nobody else NORMAL wants their lives exposed like this.
If we can't even get agreement that they're all a bunch of lying political baboons, we're not going to have any meaningful discussion. Just because someone looks nice and speaks nicely when they lie doesn't make the lie less of a lie.
Even though there is not much going on with Kate, this blog is still informative on other subjects and I quite enjoy them. I know the blog was started to "showcase" the evil of a certain reality star. The world doesn't revolve around Kate and neither should this blog if nothing is going on with her. I hope this blog goes on for some time to come.
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That's pretty much how I feel Foxy, and I plan to keep the blog going for some time. Who could forget our vinegar discussions!
Another use for vinegar, to balance out the kombucha I'm brewing at home for the first time! I'm on day 6 and it's like watching a 7th grade science experiment.
From Dmasy --
Flimsy (134) -- WOW! You are really a Lucy student. Yes. You are absolutely right. The negligent (to say the least) mom in the book is the actress who played Eve in that episode. Her actual name is the name used on the show. Eve was a good friend of Lucille Ball.
If I recall correctly, that small part would be her last acting job.
Since her daughter (the author of the book) described her mother as "breath-taking-beautiful" I had to watch the episode to see her.
I can't believe I never heard of Luka Magnotta. That guy is a monster. Anyway, thanks for the recommendations for other documentaries, I finally have some time to myself to read these posts - and watch a little TV. My hubby just had foot surgery. He can't hop around, so he's keeping me hopping. Up and down those stairs, it's exhausting.
I don’t think Kate ever comments on trump because either she’s pissed he’s the president and has yet to mention her or she doesn’t know he’s the president. I really think she’s that dumb!
Kirkland, I hope hubby has a speedy recovery and doesn’t exhaust you too much. There is a lot to watch to keep you occupied. I found schitts creek to be hilarious! If your looking for something light between the horrors of true crime.
Kate and the Keurig. Wasn't that Dr. Drew? The show where she mouthed an "I love you" to Milo? I do remember her "broken Keurig". She complained about it on twitter. Keurig had already replaced it when she was given the new one. Wonder (seriously, not wondering) if she just kept it. Seems to me, she moved into her French Press coffee phase right around then.
I don’t think Kate ever comments on trump because either she’s pissed he’s the president and has yet to mention her or she doesn’t know he’s the president. I really think she’s that dumb!
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Third possibility. She doesn’t realize this Trump is the same Trump she knows.
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I don’t think Kate ever comments on trump because either she’s pissed he’s the president and has yet to mention her or she doesn’t know he’s the president. I really think she’s that dumb!
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Third possibility. She doesn’t realize this Trump is the same Trump she knows.
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She usually referred to Trump as "your honor" didn't she? So she's probably confused by his current title of President.
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I think you're right. Didn't she put one in her bedroom? Not sure why I have that stuck in my head, but it just fits, doesn't it? :)
Ah well, gone are the days when Katie could just walk onto a talk show and have her every wish fulfilled. She's been silent now for more than 15 weeks. Her PR consultants must really be struggling to come up with a plausible explanation for her treatment of Collin. Can't wait to hear what they invent.
She usually referred to Trump as "your honor" didn't she? So she's probably confused by his current title of President.
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That explains it. She thinks he’s on the Supreme Court and might force her to pay up to Jon. Best to hide quietly in Wyomissing.
To Dmasy: if you're too afraid to "voice your thoughts" to even friends and family, then how on earth can you be "involved and informed"?
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It does little to be involved and informed when the other party is not interested in anyone else’s ideas that don’t comport with their own. I’ve seen families torn apart because people can’t accept somebody dare might feel differently about the world than they do and aren’t really interested in finding out why. That’s no way to live and best not to open that door. There are plenty of places and opportunities to be informed that don’t include thanksgiving dinner.
I will agree with you that all politicians lie...to SOME degree. However, for you to pretend that Donald Trump and Barack Obama are equal in the lying Olympics speaks to just how much of a Trump sheeple you are. If Donald Trump's lips are moving, odds are that he is lying. He is a morally bankrupt, mentally ill, corrupt menace. Barack Obama is none of those things.
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I think when you get into who lied the most you’re starting to split hairs. I consider your acknowledgement that he’s politicians do lie as a good starting point. I also think there is a whole lot of hyperbole that happens as a speaking style that gets misrepresented as lies. I guess I also just really don’t care all that much that politicians lie, I care what they’re actually doing. Since I know they all lie, I tend to pay way less attention to what they’re saying and rather check to see what their actions are.
I also remain eternally baffled at the obsession with him as if he actually affects your daily life. People really should be concerned much more with their local politicians. Yet I’m guessing for example the average LA local has no idea who Ridley Scott Thomas is. Yet he and the rest of the board of supervisors have MUCH more of an affect on your life than any one president ever will.
It is not true all the recent presidents have been narcissists. I’m actually a presidential scholar who publishes books and articles on the branch. I’m not going to debate the topic here, but George W. Bush has been haunted by his decisions of war. It is what has led to his painting to deal with it. You can think what you like about his administration and it’s choices, but clinical narcissists would not think twice about the soldiers who died because of his decisions.
https://www.psychologicalscience.org/publications/observer/obsonline/the-10-most-narcissistic-u-s-presidents.html
Some of our greatest presidents were actually narcissists, including jfk and teddy Roosevelt. They rank W. Number 11 but reasonable minds can differ.
People tend to live in the moment and be caught up in the drama of the moment and can easily forget, say, how narcissistic a Johnson or a Nixon were.
History tends to forget the inhuman pigs who have graced the White House before:
So, exactly how repulsive was Johnson? He was horrid enough that the way he said things was almost as bad as what he said. Anyone who came into contact with him was at risk of encountering a spectacle of burping, farting, nose-picking and crotch-scratching. Congressman Richard Bolling, who witnessed some of this, told Merle Miller: “I wouldn’t say Johnson was vulgar — he was barnyard.” Worse, Johnson had no sense of personal space and treated conversation as a creepy hands-on affair. Miller learned from Washington Post editor Ben Bradlee that, “You really felt as if a St. Bernard had licked your face for an hour, had pawed you all over.”
For women, the ordeal was even worse, and Bradlee claimed that Johnson groped Katharine Graham and was “bumping” up against the breasts of Washington Post writer Meg Greenfield.
hat Johnson would tell close friends that his own wife, the delightfully named Lady Bird, was “the best piece of ass I ever had” (but he still cheated on her). Recorded Oval Office telephone conversations include a 1964 exchange with staffer Ralph Dungan concerning female appointees to government positions. Johnson kept asking Dungan about their looks. Former staffer Yolanda Boozer told Miller that Johnson would comment if female White House employees gained any weight, provoking anxious dieting.
Regardless of gender, Johnson’s treatment of subordinates could be appalling. In one of her very rare confirmations of Johnson’s behaviour, Katherine Graham says she saw Johnson apoplectically yelling at aide Jack Valenti over some mistake. She describes the tirade as “callous and inhuman.”
https://nationalpost.com/opinion/the-most-vulgar-american-president-ever-it-sure-as-isnt-donald-trump
Perspective.
She usually referred to Trump as "your honor" didn't she? So she's probably confused by his current title of President.
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That explains it. She thinks he’s on the Supreme Court and might force her to pay up to Jon. Best to hide quietly in Wyomissing.
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I think Donald, Donald Jr. and Ivanka were all relegated into the category of those who don't know how to help her. I remember pretty cringe-worthy attempts by Khate to bond with Don Jr. over their large families and in the boardroom with the Donald commenting on how many times Kate had been to court. Always pushing the narrative, always the victim.
Kate doesn’t comment on Trump because she just doesn’t give a shit... she’s a narcissist and if it doesn’t involve her she’s not interested...plain and simple ... and if you think otherwise you’re giving her way too much credit
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7902593/Harry-Meghan-LOSE-HRH-titles-REPAY-2-4million-public-cash.html
It’s official, Meghan and Harry are stripped of their royal titles and off to live in North America (They again said North America and not just “Canada”) They are also going to pay back taxpayers for their house’s renovations, which I think is a great idea since it pretty much will shut down the last of the criticism over all this.
The queen released an incredibly supportive statement about it.
It’s amazing what people can accomplish when they’re willing to hear the other side out and keep an open mind. The queen will be remembered for her excellent mediation of this crisis.
Admin...154. But will they be truly financially independent or living off of Daddy aka Prince Charles.
From Dmasy --
I have only watched the first episode of the 2002 BBC "Manor House" on Amazon. But, I am all in!
IMDB says "...21 people from the 21st century are being brought together in an Edwardian Country House. 6 of them are the Upstairs family and the 15 others are the servants. For three months, these people have only the rulebook and each other..."
They arrive from the 21st Century by horse and carriage, wearing authentic garments. The "house" is a Downton Abbey kind of estate. The Cook is a renowned French chef who will now be creating meals on a wood stove.
The rules are in strict adherence to the time (including menstrual hygiene).
I wonder how I missed all these great shows when they were originally aired.
Don't worry , Harry has lots of influential connections in Canada. I don't think he'll have any problem. Meghan's best friend is the former prime minister's son and Justin is also pretty fond of the couple. In their case I think they can "just move to Canada".
Thanks Kirkland for the "Don't F**k with Cats" suggestion. I watched it today and really liked it.
I, for one am thrilled that Megan and Harry had their HRH title taken away as they are no longer working royals. The good here is that when Megan finally gets enough money and walks away from Harry like she has her own and his family, then Harry will be able to go home to his real family and recover his HRH. It is just a matter of time. I hope they prove me wrong for Harry and Archies sake but I don’t think it will happen. She is conniving from the beginning.
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I'm glad you liked it! I thought it was really interesting the way the internet sleuths did their investigative work. That Luka guy, what a evil person.
I, for one am thrilled that Megan and Harry had their HRH title taken away as they are no longer working royals. The good here is that when Megan finally gets enough money and walks away from Harry like she has her own and his family, then Harry will be able to go home to his real family and recover his HRH. It is just a matter of time. I hope they prove me wrong for Harry and Archies sake but I don’t think it will happen. She is conniving from the beginning.
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I really hope that doesn't happen, that would mean the poor kid would have go fly back and forth from the US/Canada to England all the time to visit his mom and his dad. That's no way to live.
What everyone was right about was that she wouldn't make it in the royal family. She was too American, too optimistic, too soft. Avocado toast and hot yoga was never gonna work. I think everyone thought it would mean divorce from Harry, not divorce from England itself. I also think it's entirely possibly that they both cooked this up long before they were even married, but were biding their time when to pull the plug. CERTAINLY Harry told her while they were dating he wishes he could escape. He's basically said that for years. I'd bet the farm she said what if you could escape, I'll show you how. They had to put in their dues for a little while to ensure everything would go smoothly excepting her into the family, but once they had that kid, that was it, the family is now forever tied to her and can't ever get rid of her completely. Archie was the ticket out here. They're lucky they're not still going through fertility treatments now just trying to get pregnant with their first, that was a lucky break.
You know I think there is some deep psychology going on here for Harry. I actually think this is a manifestation of his long desire to "save" his mother when he couldn't save her. Thus, he is now "saving" Meghan and Archie and doing what he would have done for his mother and his brother and him had he been able to at 12, letting them escape to Canada and escape the vicious press and overbearing family. This is him literally acting out what he has always wanted to do but was helpless to do so. I really hope he continues to get lots and lots of therapy because he needs it.
Don't worry , Harry has lots of influential connections in Canada. I don't think he'll have any problem. Meghan's best friend is the former prime minister's son and Justin is also pretty fond of the couple. In their case I think they can "just move to Canada".
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Even for them not so fast. Basically everyone in Canada is saying they can only stay 6 months out of the year before visas expire or they work out some other arrangement to establish a legal stay. If they want longer than that they'll have to pop down to the US or go back to England.
If all they want to do is stay in Canada, legally they'll have to do a 50-50 split with Canada and somewhere else.
Canada isn't going to just bend over for this, trust me. Also, because they are so acutely aware of the criticism for getting special treatment, I'm willing to bet they won't necessarily be keen to violate the rules here and face scrutiny for it.
From Dmasy --
I have only watched the first episode of the 2002 BBC "Manor House" on Amazon. But, I am all in!
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There's a lot of those on prime.
I really liked the Canadian show about the Frontier families, and the American version. Both I think were titled something like Frontier House. Both interesting, both with somewhat irritating families.
One of my all time favorites though is Texas Ranch House. There was a whole lot of 20th century drama and the subjects had tremendous difficulty trying to make decisions as if it were the 19th century and not 2002. But I love me some borderline unethical social experiments.
Admin...154. But will they be truly financially independent or living off of Daddy aka Prince Charles.
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Well, they've said several times now they want to be truly financially independent. In fairness, they weren't ALLOWED to work before, and in fairness, she has really worked up until this point. She's no trust fund baby, she's been working her whole adult life. And he's worked real jobs too just not gotten paid like a regular person might, with an extremely long stint in the Army and then running a charity from the ground up.
But you can't go from no money coming in to several million overnight, to which they've said Charles will likely continue to give them a boost from private money while they transition.
I'm guessing Meghan had a come to Jesus moment with Harry that the only way he can truly do what he wants in life is to not have to answer to anyone holding the purse strings. In that respect, she's absolutely right. I personally am quite impressed that they aren't taking an obnoxious we want our cake and eat it too stance on this. That would have been disastrous. What they're doing is a fair trade. We will back away from all this, but we won't get most of the perks and of the perks we are getting, they are to be phased out.
Canada isn't going to just bend over for this, trust me.
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Lol trust the great expert on every subject known to humankind.
I wish Obama would run again, but not until the Republican Party can be relied upon for bipartisan debate on what is best for the country instead of what is best for their pockets.
Rolling back EPA regulations, refusing to enact laws to protect our planet, waterways, & animals does not earn my respect. We teach our children & grandchildren to respect our planet & everything on it, while Trump seems to think going back to 1940 is the future, while mocking, tweeting, & golfing his term away.
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I think most reasonable people feel the same way. I see the issues as much more complicated than you described though, and I often think Dems tend to simplify the issues in the press and delibteraly ignore or misconstrue the r reasons behind those opposed to them are opposed.
Let's take your example of the environment. I have yet to meet a Republican who does not support protecting the environment on some level. And we want to do so not just because a thermometer is going up or down or staying the same on any given decade, but moreso because it's the MORALLY CORRECT thing to care for a beautiful planet gifted to us by the creator or the big bang or whatever you believe. On a personal note, I spend a great deal of time outdoors, it's a major reason I moved to California, I'm an avid hiker and backpacker having even overnight hiked some of the John Muir trail, and I would rank the outdoors/ environment as the most important thing to me behind my loved ones.
But, what if an environmental regulation meant to protect wildlife and the land resulted in the loss of 100,000 jobs? What if one of those jobs was yours, or your brother's? What if it also resulted in having to be dependent on a country who is a mortal enemy for a resource, thus increasing the risk for a war? What if I also meant we had to increase taxes, and that tax increase was just enough to throw thousands of middle class families into poverty? And what if we discovered that in order to preserve one species, we were actually harming another? Usually, when you hear that a Republican doesn't support something that seemingly seeks to protect the environment, pressing issues like that are behind it. Nobody goes out there and says I hate baby seals let them all die, come on, be real.
These issues are extremely complicated, and any one regulation can have numerous consequences, and personally, I don't think your side does anything to help negotiations when they paint with a broad brush that Republicans don't care about the environment and then shut their ears off. That in no way promotes anything remotely bipartisan. As a starting point, it would be very helpful to compromise if your side took the t time t o understand WHY someone would oppose something seemingly helpful, and keep an open mind about someone who is doing their best to make sure that regulations made don't end up hurting more than they help.
Lol trust the great expert on every subject known to humankind.
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Um, no, I can read and it's based on what Canada has said themselves. Look at Trudeau's statement, he is extremely guarded and noncommittal about this, pointing to things that need to be worked out. From the horse's mouth:
‘There’s still a lot of decisions to be taken by the Royal Family, by the Sussexes themselves, as to what level of engagement they choose to have and these are things that we are obviously supportive of their reflections but have responsibilities in that, as well,’ he explained.
‘I think most Canadians are very supportive of having royals be here, but how that looks and what kind of cost is involved — there’s still lots of discussion.’
OUCH. Notice how he said they are supportive of their REFLECTIONS . This is pretty much equivalent to a rich parent telling their teenager, yeah we'll TALK about your desire to move your bedroom to the pool house. As in, never gonna happen, at least on your terms.
I posted yesterday how I was glad they lost the HRH and I really am glad this was denied them. However, my biggest problem is the timing. I’m a grandparent and I can not imagine how callus a person can be to do this to their grandparents in the sunset of their life. I’m sure Prince Phillip is devastated as is the Queen. Why couldn’t they have waited a few more years and then left. I just really don’t understand how anyone, no matter how greedy or callus could do this to an elderly grandparent. It’s like they are saying, “thanks for nothing we’re out of here”.
I posted yesterday how I was glad they lost the HRH and I really am glad this was denied them. However, my biggest problem is the timing. I’m a grandparent and I can not imagine how callus a person can be to do this to their grandparents in the sunset of their life. I’m sure Prince Phillip is devastated as is the Queen. Why couldn’t they have waited a few more years and then left. I just really don’t understand how anyone, no matter how greedy or callus could do this to an elderly grandparent. It’s like they are saying, “thanks for nothing we’re out of here”.
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But isn’t it selfish of the queen to force them to be unhappy just for her sake? The queen could live another ten years. I’m not sure they’re willing to be miserable that long. And then if they wait until she dies they’ll be accused of throwing this on Charles when he’s old himself and just adjusting to being king finally. There really isn’t a good time. I think their willingness to meet with the queen and work this out amicably speaks to their respect for her and their own maturity. The queens glowing statements about all this, ones we know she didn’t have to make, suggest they really did work this out.
I think your point would be better taken if he were second or third in line and not sixth and dropping.
Meghan lived in Canada for several years while she filmed Suits. Now I don't now the details, she adopted two dogs, so unless she left them with friends and went back to L.A. for 6 months, I'm going to assume she has a Canadian passport, which would entitle her to "move" here. I don't know how it works for Harry, but they did say they were planning on splitting their time between the two countries.
So happy to see Harry and Megan make their own path. I think others can find inspiration from them. They decided that money and a title are not important. I hope the press respects their privacy moving forward.
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Meghan lived in Canada for several years while she filmed Suits. Now I don't now the details, she adopted two dogs, so unless she left them with friends and went back to L.A. for 6 months, I'm going to assume she has a Canadian passport, which would entitle her to "move" here. I don't know how it works for Harry, but they did say they were planning on splitting their time between the two countries.
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She likely had a work visa which would allow her to stay for as long as she filmed and only as long as she filmed. That is likely long expired. What they will have to do is get a work visa again and then be sure to work and if they want to become citizens they'll have to get in line. They'll have to follow the same rules as everybody else or be accused of special treatment. Unlike the US, Canada doesn't screw around with immigration. There are no open borders there.
As for her dogs she left one with a friend this side and took one with her to the UK, I'm not sure they ever explained that but it could be as simple as a dog who would find the trip too stressful. I hope this means she can now have the second dog back, that would be great.
She does NOT have a Canadian passport. That's been established. Her passport is a USA one and they said they would be in the process of her UK immigration, they may not bother now.
As far as Justin's statement goes he really isn't stupid. He knows that if he said "sure we welcome them with open arms" there would be a major outcry and a nation of people pissed at him again. But I have a feeling that this has been discussed amongst some influential people, because if you will recall there was some discussion a while back about the possibility of them moving to South Africa. Does that mean they have been scouting out locations for a possible move for a while? The one dog was left with friends in Toronto I read, because it was an older dog that they felt would have difficulty making the trip.
OT... if you want a good laugh go over to Paris Hilton’s YouTube channel and watch her cook lasagna... it’s a freaking train wreck... she’s a mess buts it hysterical
I think the move has been in the works for forever and South Africa was a test run but for whatever reason it wasn’t suitable. The moving abroad rumor has existed since their marriage. There are some seriously good moles in the palace. Almost every time a rumor gets floated it ends up true In some form.
Andrea (#171), imagine facing such a challenging change and making it, despite all the upheaval it will cause. Hard not to compare that to Her Royal Heiny TFW surveying her sorry little reality career and deciding she could "never go back" to her old life. Heifer, please.
Personally I’m sick of hearing about Meagain and Harry...I will lay bets that marriage won’t last..they’ve only been married two years and she’s causing an international incident.. can they go away now? She’s only happy when she’s alienating people ... don’t feel sorry for them ..it’s ridiculous... cry me a river
When my husband and I lived in Scotland, he had a work visa and I didn’t. He could stay in the country as long as the company employed him. I had to leave every six months and come back. I had to carry a letter from my husband’s company with our details every time I flew back into London and went through customs. Never a problem. Our daughter however, because she was born there and was an automatic citizen, could enter indefinitely.
Why is Harry still here? Why doesn’t he go join his wife? You can go now!!!!
Personally I’m sick of hearing about Meagain and Harry...I will lay bets that marriage won’t last..they’ve only been married two years and she’s causing an international incident.. can they go away now? She’s only happy when she’s alienating people ... don’t feel sorry for them ..it’s ridiculous... cry me a river
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See I think it's ridiculous that it's an international incident that a couple decides they'd prefer to live somewhere else, which occurs every day for thousands of couples and isn't that big of a deal.
The marriage is doomed, if they stay a part of this family. Or maybe Harry is even doing this to save the marriage.
Also, the queen should handle Brexit herself. She could have it done in 72 hours.
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OT... if you want a good laugh go over to Paris Hilton’s YouTube channel and watch her cook lasagna... it’s a freaking train wreck... she’s a mess buts it hysterical
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Ok that was seriously hilarious.
Bad idea to film a cooking show in a kitchen you're just air b and b-ing, she doesn't know where a thing is in the kitchen and it's hilarious.
Oh how I wish Kate wasn't so damn lazy and would film videos of shit like t his, life would be better.
My favorite part, she calls the dish her "infamous" lasagna. I guess she doesn't realize infamous means famous for being **bad**. Solid.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayImIgdgLEI
From Dmasy --
#Cooking with Paris.
Oh, my goodness! What a mess! Aren't those driving gloves? Canned sauce? I will bet there is a long blonde hair in there somewhere. But, the best of all -- a "spontaneous" decision to eliminate onions and garlic from the recipe.
Thanks for the link. A delightful laugh.
But, the best of all -- a "spontaneous" decision to eliminate onions and garlic from the recipe
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Spitting my coke.
I’ve totally had that god damn it moment where I suddenly notice the onion I left on the counter I forgot to chop. Paris handled it so suave.
Suave? This girl doesn’t even know where her utensils are! No garlic because she just couldn’t be bothered? Talk about an international incident 😂😂😂btw wasn’t she holding 3 spatulas at one point?
Personally I enjoyed watching her rummage through drawers trying to find things. Kind of looks like me cooking. That was the realest reality right there.
Spontaneous = too lazy to make the effort... ha
Thanks for my LOL of the day. It’s good to know that lasagna has “a lot of steps compared to like making toast or something”. Not for nothing, but if I ever dared to make lasagna like that my NJ Italian granny would come back from the grave to haunt me!
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Why is Harry still here? Why doesn’t he go join his wife? You can go now!!!!
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Found out why he's still here. He had an engagement he had previously committed to for a fundraiser for his HIV/AIDS charity he started to continue his mother's efforts. He may hate being in the royal family but he's made the most of it.
Thanks for my LOL of the day. It’s good to know that lasagna has “a lot of steps compared to like making toast or something”. Not for nothing, but if I ever dared to make lasagna like that my NJ Italian granny would come back from the grave to haunt me!
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I noticed she didn't actually cut into the admittedly decent looking lasagna in the end (I love when the cheese is that golden brown not yet burned on the top) and take a big bite. She's probably about 99 pounds so that ain't gonna work. Also she says eating lasagna is okay, because she's drinking some sort of healthy $6 a bottle water. 😂
She's asking for suggestions for other things she should cook. My suggestion is order UberEats. If she gets a cooking show I swear.
But no, instead Harry has broken his grandmother's (not to mention his father and brother's) heart at the age of freaking 95. How very selfish. The queen, like her or not, has conducted herself with mostly dignity (except of course when Diana died) and loyalty for over NINETY years.
But Meghan just couldn't wait until she passed. SELFISH
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That's your opinion. I happen to think it's selfish to shackle your grandson who is SIXTH in line to a completely made up institution that is decidedly antiquated, outrageously expensive, trite and at times even dangerous, resulting in such overwhelming paparazzi attention that they chased the mother of the future king down and then after the horrific accident that followed took pictures of her dying. It's also selfish to force said grandson to expose his baby son to the same sort of over the top attention day after day after day and to raise him in a manner in which the baby's mother is as miserable with the fairy tale as the baby's dead grandma was, and he knows that kid doesn't even have a chance.
So yeah, I consider it a bit selfish to force someone who had absolutely no say in the matter to continue on in this sort of lifestyle.
I imagine the queen came to the same conclusion, because she did the unselfish thing and let him go, and did so with tremendous patience, love and grace.
He shouldn't have even asked the queen, he should have just left, but he loves her. Who asks their GRANDMOTHER if they can move, like, in real life? This is the only scenario in which one must ask, and it's very dysfunctional and Harry and Meghan know it.
As for her debacle when Diana died, I understand the public felt abandoned, but as she explained, she was taking care of her damn grandsons who had lost their mother that week. I've always thought she should have come out on day one when people started whining and said excuse me, I am busy with my grandsons and taking care of their emotional health. I will return and speak to you when I feel their needs have been fully attended to. And left it at that.
"Our hope was to continue serving the Queen, the commonwealth, and my military associations, but without public funding," he said. "Unfortunately, that wasn't possible."
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It sounds like he’s suggesting they were fine to keep doing their royal duties but wanted to do it without royal funds. Interesting how he insists that wasn’t possible. I wonder why that wasn’t possible, did the family think they just couldn’t possibly support themselves? As well there’s that rule a working royal isn’t allowed to have an income so maybe that’s the issue that that couldn’t be bent.
He also said the queen has been supportive of all this for MONTHS. So much for the story she had no idea. BS. I’m guessing the talks started when they came back to Africa and stories emerged that the family was worried about him.
Blind Gossip has had pages & pages about the Firm. Most think Meghan is controlling & trying to isolate Harry away from his family. I sort of think that Harry will thrive away from the stiff upper lip if he can actually acclimate. And I'm hoping he can do just that. Creating his own life rather than living the one that has always been assigned to him might actually scare him & at the same time must feel like a dream come true!
Blind Gossip has had pages & pages about the Firm. Most think Meghan is controlling & trying to isolate Harry away from his family. I sort of think that Harry will thrive away from the stiff upper lip if he can actually acclimate.
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I might be concerned Meghan is controlling but for Harry being such a strong personality long before he met her and Harry dropping massive hints he’s sick of all this the past ten years, long before Meghan. I don’t think Meghan persuaded him to get out, I think he specifically looked for a wife who could be his ticket out. Foreigner? Perfect excuse. People think Meghan is cunning, I think it’s Harry.
I was surprised how terribly sad he sounded over all this as he spoke about it. There’s no woo hoo get me outta here sentiment. That is a bit of a red flag, it’s never good to begin an exciting new chapter on such a somber note.
Please I beg of you ... don’t encourage Paris to cook any other dishes 🤦♀️.... although it was a good laugh.. I’m sure it was landfill when the cameras stopped
I like the way meagain is hiding out when Harry is going through all of this..she left him to deal with the mess she created
I like the way meagain is hiding out when Harry is going through all of this..she left him to deal with the mess she created
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Archie was still in Canada, that's why she left Harry to go back to Canada. I imagine they don't want to make their 7 month old son endure another transatlantic 11-hour flight from the west coast of Canada when he doesn't have to, which is why he's remaining in Canada until Harry can join them after he fulfills his prior to commitment to his HIV/AIDS charity.
I was surprised how terribly sad he sounded over all this as he spoke about it.
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I think he's sad because he and Meghan aren't leaving the way they wanted to. I read the statement they issued and my first impression was that they wanted to step away from most royal duties while keeping most of their royal privileges - but the Queen said no, you're either all in or all out. On order to leave, Harry had to give up many things which were important to him, like his military patronages and his right to live rent-free at Frogmore Cottage. No wonder he looked sad - he realizes just how much he's had to surrender. For his sake, I hope it's worth it.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7907757/PIERS-MORGAN-Spare-crocodile-tears-Harry.html
I read this article by Piers Morgan and I think it tells it like it is, but that is just my opinion. Either way, it’s a good read.
I read this article by Piers Morgan and I think it tells it like it is, but that is just my opinion. Either way, it’s a good read.
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Piers has been vile to them. He thinks he’s entitled to tell a family where they should live and how much he sees of their son. He is really a driving force behind the media that has made them so miserable.
I read the statement they issued and my first impression was that they wanted to step away from most royal duties while keeping most of their royal privileges
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But from Harry’s oral speech he said they actually wanted to continue the royal duties they just didn’t want to take royal money for it. That tells me he wanted to keep on serving and the money was the sticking point. Why be that specific otherwise? I’m not sure people are grasping that the royal family isn’t allowed to get paid for serving the crown. For anyone who wants to support themselves that’s an issue. I’m not exactly sure why the royal family won’t let them go off and make their own money and keep on doing engagements for them but I’m going to take a wild guess that it’s because they wouldn’t be able to have as much or any say in their work and are worried if they suddenly undertake something they’d rather not back, perhaps an issue too political, they would have no way to say to Harry you can’t do that. If he completely leaves the family and does something they don’t like they can say don’t look at us he’s not a royal anymore.
He’s keeping a great deal of his charities so I don’t think that’s it.
I think the Royal family cannot earn money while still being an HRH, because it would appear they are making money from just being a senior member of the royal family. And being who they are would certainly be plus for making money on their titles alone. A conflict of interest type thing. I worked for the government and was not allowed to campaign for any person running for office. I could vote of course, but could not endorse or campaign for any political figure. It makes sense to me.
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