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Humid. Humidity isn't good.
Now, of course, she's solidly middle-aged
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Kate Gosselin: Solidly middle-aged.
Much of Mexico is humid.
Just stop.
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Mexico doesn't get a whole lot of international travelers to their mostly rural areas. That is likely a huge contribution to why it's so quiet there. And not "social distancing."
Stop being such a sheep.
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She probably won't let a process server in the gate. Maybe this is the reason she makes the kids go into the grocery store for her. She wouldn't want to be available to be served, so she's hiding out.
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Thanks, Layla, that was the missing piece. The Sun articles didn't mention there being a criminal charge in the offing for Katiekins. I'm assuming this also probably means she didn't pay him the $25K+ at the end of December? She really does think she's above it all, and if anything, all of this bull-headed nonsense will make it less likely anyone in media will want to partner with her going forward. And does she really think that her going to JAIL would be good for her kids?
Someone needs to find a good "special-needs" institution for her. She is totally off her rocker.
Wear facemask don’t wear facemasks. They help actually they don’t help actually they do help. Now we’re going to say wear facemasks all the time when before we scolded you.
Sorry, we shouldn’t be just a little skeptical of what we are being told to do?
https://mises.org/wire/end-shutdown
A major non partisan thinktank in Europe is now calling to end the shutdown as we can’t readily quantify if it helps and the harm is too great.
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1) Auburn Alabama is not in Europe
2) It's not non-partisan
3) It's not a "major" think tank
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Sorry their economic philosophy comes from Europe But they are based here. They are major. They ARE non partisan. Care to address their actual points or do you just want to do cheap straw manning?
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Also, if she’s hoping that TLC will give Mady a show she’s in for a rude awakening. Mady’s TicTok is nothing special and not nearly as creative as some that I’ve seen. Mady is just phoning it in.
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Oh, good point. Maybe she's hoping to pull a Jim Bob Duggar thing and sell a show with Mady, and gradually work herself back in over time. Problem is, there's a bunch of Duggars to keep the show interesting. Mady has..nobody. Jon won't let the younger 4 film, and it's obvious that Cara would rather be anywhere but in front of a camera. TLC already tried the dating show, which centered more on Mady than K+8, and it was a flop. People are just sick of watching the Gosselins. I don't think Kate's reputation is to blame, I just think people lost interest. I will say, however, that Mady herself would be far more entertaining to watch than Kate. Kate tries too hard, and it's just painful to watch.
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You're right, I bet she didn't pay Jon the legal fees she was ordered to pay. I also doubt that she would just hand over H&C's trust funds without a fight. She won't part with money if there's any way she can avoid it, court order or not. If she's arrested, she'll use that fact to drive home her "Daddy is bad" narrative. She wants the kids who are with her to see him as the enemy, so being arrested --and blaming it on Jon--might be a positive thing to her. It'll be interesting to see how this all plays out.
Why doesn’t she just get served and pay the summons... if that’s how that works... as you can see I know nothing about such things
Why doesn’t she just get served and pay the summons... if that’s how that works... as you can see I know nothing about such things
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That's what will happen, in the long run. It is a long, arduous process to deal with someone like her in the courts. It's a case of she could do it the easy way and just pay the F up, or the hard way, and go through a million loopdee-loops with the end result being exactly the same, pay the F up.
Only a narcissist.
Don’t forget Kate said the patio (or whatever she called it, idk) was for the safety and well being of the kids.
Yep, the kids definitely paid for that.
Hi guys! Hope everyone is staying safe and healthy. I have a serious request - I and my son have compromised digestive systems and require a lot of toilet paper during flares. Please, if you see someone stock piling (in some areas TP is being limited to 1 or 2 packages - per grocery trip) maybe kindly say something to leave some for people like us. I realize you would have no way to know if that person is buying for a family member who is compromised. We currently have none in our area. I have always been in the habit of buying 1 large mega roll TP every week when I shopped, and I refuse to stockpile, but it's been weeks that any can be found. I am good for the moment, but worry about those like me. It is difficult to talk about this, but I would like to get the word out somehow - I think some people don't think about us who have a medical need. Thanks!
There’s a special place in hell for hoarders.
Why in gods name would TLC give Mady a show... that’s to ridiculous to even consider... grasping for straws are we ??
Mexico doesn't get a whole lot of international travelers to their mostly rural areas. That is likely a huge contribution to why it's so quiet there.
You really don't know what you don't know. THOUSANDS of missionaries from all religions invade the 'rural' areas.
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Don't be upset at me, The Washington Post themselves stated this.
Please calm down and relax. With the exception of the NYC area most places have very few cases of this. We are going to be fine, you will be fine. Mexico will be fine.
The Sun published another article about Kate. It says that the Department of Labor is investigating Kate for filming the kids without work permits. I bet TLC is also under investigation.
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Thanks for the heads-up, Andrea, here's the link:
https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/11305669/kate-gosselin-under-investigation-by-department-of-labor-kids-work-permits/
"In Pennsylvania court papers obtained by The Sun, Kate, 45, accused Jon, 42, of “falsely claiming the Mother and network filmed the children without work permits, resulting in an investigation by the Department of Labor.”
Say WHAT? We all saw the DOL letter, is she now claiming it either doesn't exist OR it was supplanted by a permission letter? I hope CPS is on speed-dial, she may need an intervention STAT. Maybe TLC will underwrite her defense: "K8 Behind Bars, A Love Story."
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Say WHAT? We all saw the DOL letter, is she now claiming it either doesn't exist OR it was supplanted by a permission letter? I hope CPS is on speed-dial, she may need an intervention STAT. Maybe TLC will underwrite her defense: "K8 Behind Bars, A Love Story."
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Does she have a lawyer at this point or is she just filing random deranged docs on her own?
Flight of the Kiwi - All the stores here limit TP, paper towels, wipes etc. to one per household. At self check-out they’ve got it fixed so that if you try to sneak more it flags it and you have to wait for the customer service person to come over so you can continue to check out. If you’ve got more than the allotted amount they remove it and put it in the go back cart. I really don’t get the whole TP hoarding thing or any of the hoarding for that matter.
Today is Jon’s birthday and Colleen put up a very nice IG tribute to him. They seem to have a solid relationship. Collin and Hannah are lucky to be with them.
Why should she hire a lawyer? You think you know more than epidemiologists so surely Kate can take care of her legal needs with the same law degree from the University of Google as you obtained in public health. Or does expertise matter when it's your field of expertise?
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She doesn’t need a lawyer if her filings actually makes sense LOL. That certainly is not the case.
Public health has been so on the money during this crisis right so right about everything right?! 😂😂😂😂
by the way the person who has covid or was supposed to have covid that I got exposed to tested negative as are 90% of people testing negative. I’m out of Quarantine. Big fat false alarm.
Today is Jon’s birthday and Colleen put up a very nice IG tribute to him. They seem to have a solid relationship. Collin and Hannah are lucky to be with the
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I saw that. Gosh he’s such a sweet kid.
Thank god! Now you should totally get out there in your community. Like you said, social distancing didn't work.
So by all means, get on out there and get our economy kickstarted again. YaY!
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My job is one of those that has absolutely no effect on the economy. It exists whether the economy is good or bad and it doesn’t churn out a product or service that contributes to anything. It’s a necessity but it doesn’t boost things along.
If social distancing works why are places like New York in total catastrophic states while places like Los Angeles have but a handful of cases. Come on, don’t be such a sheep. Cuomo said it not me. We social distanced by sending everyone home to their grandmothers and it was one big fat mistake but it’s too late to do anything about it now. I’m still social distancing thanks for asking but at least now I can go to the grocery store and get some milk.
The DOL investigation is ongoing, so it must have merit. If they had approved the kids' work orders, they wouldn't be wasting their time. Please tell me Kate's not going to just walk away unscathed from this. She always seems to get away with everything she does without there ever being serious consequences. That's why she acts the way she does.
Remember when she said that the non-custodial parent shouldn't have any say in what happens to the kids? I think she feels that way about everyone--Jon, the courts, even the Dept of Labor. They are not the kids' custodial parent, therefore she doesn't think any of them have the right to stop her from doing whatever she wants with them.
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If social distancing works why are places like New York in total catastrophic states while places like Los Angeles have but a handful of cases.
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I think it’s because they were NOT social distancing.
They were taking public transportation and out on the streets like nothing was happening.
Some were. Some weren’t.
I think it’s because they were NOT social distancing.
They were taking public transportation and out on the streets like nothing was happening.
Some were. Some weren’t.
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But this is true in LA too. People aren’t fully doing it. It’s so bad they had to shut down beaches and trails and cut off utilities to businesses who won’t close.
I think my point is more rhetorical. We can do what we do but it is really at this moment just a theory.
And in other news. It sounds like some of those spring breakers now have Coronavirus.
https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/austin-spring-breakers-coronavirus-trnd/index.html
And in other news. It sounds like some of those spring breakers now have Coronavirus.
https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/austin-spring-breakers-coronavirus-trnd/index.html
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Unless they are willing to tell us do this or you get arrested, people will continue to violate it, which means even if it would work, it won't work.
I like the politician though: "Quit being an a**," Texas House Speaker Dennis Bonnen told CNN affiliate KXAN. "Get over yourselves. Whether you think this is an issue or not, it is. Whether you think it could affect you or not, it does. The reality of it is, if I'm a college kid who's going to spring break in Mexico, you're affecting a lot of people. Grow up."
Yes. CA's stay at home order went into effect while the state had relatively few cases. NY's did not. Other key differences between NY and LA: population density and reliance on public transportation.
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You kind of hit on my point. Social distancing might make more sense in California where, with the exception of the couple big cities, most people live in single family homes with 1 to 2 kids. So fair enough, isolation to stop the outbreak makes more sense.
In New York, people went home to already dense apartment and condo living to an already dense household of eight to ten people including grandma and great-auntie and then killed them. This happened a thousand times over.
To prove this point, the major outbreaks in LA have been largely centered around the west side in our orthodox Jewish communities, in which two or more families or extended families often live in the same household. In my town, on the east side, there are still like only ten cases, and no deaths. Breaking it down to my immediate neighborhood, which LA actually has done. There are ZERO cases.
prestigious scientific panel told the White House Wednesday night that research shows coronavirus can be spread not just by sneezes or coughs, but also just by talking, or possibly even just breathing.
“While the current [coronavirus] specific research is limited, the results of available studies are consistent with aerosolization of virus from normal breathing,” according to the letter, written by Dr. Harvey Fineberg, chairman of a committee with the National Academy of Sciences.
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So much for "stay six feet away." You can get it just by someone breathing.
With the science changing literally every day now, no one should be complacent about a darn thing the government tells you is correct.
This virus is a new reality for us all. Nobody really knows what to expect. What distance is far enough? How long can it live on various surfaces? Will it fade out in the summer, only to come roaring back in the fall? Any and all guesses are just that--guesses. We just have to do our best, and wait to see what happens. And we have to accept the fact that even though we do our best, the person next to us may not--and that puts us at risk despite our best efforts. The world is a scary place right now, and for the foreseeable future.
OT, but the amazing wildlife photographer (and my secret crush--take a look at photos of him in his younger years!) Peter Beard is missing. He's 82, has dementia, and wandered away from his home in Montauk on Tuesday. Montauk is cold this time of year, especially at night, and surrounded on 3 sides by water. It doesn't look promising. I remember when I was a little girl, my mother had a book with some of Peter's beautiful pictures--my favorites were the elephants--and I fell in love with his pictures. I pray that he's okay.
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In New York, people went home to already dense apartment and condo living to an already dense household of eight to ten people including grandma and great-auntie and then killed them. This happened a thousand times over.
To prove this point, the major outbreaks in LA have been largely centered around the west side in our orthodox Jewish communities, in which two or more families or extended families often live in the same household. In my town, on the east side, there are still like only ten cases, and no deaths. Breaking it down to my immediate neighborhood, which LA actually has done. There are ZERO cases.
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I don't think it matters how many people you have in your house if you're all staying home. Yes, maybe if some of them had it then those that are quarantined with them will get it but it would be contained in that home, but they weren't quarantining themselves... They were still going out... using public transportation... shopping...
People were continuing to have small social gatherings even in their homes and then guests or family leave that home... so it's not contained.
As for the Jewish communities, from reports I've read online the Jewish community find socializing very important, so they are continuing their large Bar Mitzvahs, and weddings, and religious gatherings. They've broken up many of them and gave them summons recently but unless people stay home for 3 weeks it's going to continue spreading.
As for "breathing" I never agreed that the average person should not wear a mask when going out in public.
They advised you to only wear one if you know you have coronavirus, or its symptoms. No, if you have coronavirus or symtoms don't wear a mask... STAY HOME!
I don't see how wearing a mask would not help the average person trying not to get it. As I said before, if it didn't help LOWER THE RISK of not getting it then why are the healthcare workers wearing them while testing and treating for coronavirus? I understand saying Please don't stockpile masks because the healthcare workers need them, but to say they aren't necessary for the average person going out in public, especially essential workers, didn't seem fair.
As for the Jewish communities, from reports I've read online the Jewish community find socializing very important, so they are continuing their large Bar Mitzvahs, and weddings, and religious gatherings. They've broken up many of them and gave them summons recently but unless people stay home for 3 weeks it's going to continue spreading.
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I think all cultures it’s fair to say are focused on family and community but some more than others and you’re right, some have been unwilling to scale back their core gatherings. Until they cite and arrest we will have to do social distancing for months and months instead of just weeks.
I checked out Collin's IG, and he is such a mature, intelligent, insightful young man. It's also obvious that he has something to say about his life experiences, and it's clear where his loyalties lie. He said in his BDay post to Jon that his dad is the one who has always had his back. If Kate thinks her reputation has been damaged by Jon, just wait until Collin is an adult. I think he has much to share, and I think he will share it--to set the record straight, and to make sure that no other child has to go through what he experienced. I'm sure right now he's working through the emotional toll it has all taken on him, and Jon said both kids are in therapy, which is good for both. I can see Collin becoming an advocate for children in the entertainment industry, and for abused children. He is in a unique position to speak knowledgeably about both, and I think he will have a strong voice when the time comes. If Kate thinks things are bad now...just wait.
I don't see how wearing a mask would not help the average person trying not to get it. As I said before, if it didn't help LOWER THE RISK of not getting it then why are the healthcare workers wearing them while testing and treating for coronavirus? I understand saying Please don't stockpile masks because the healthcare workers need them, but to say they aren't necessary for the average person going out in public, especially essential workers, didn't seem fair.
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The science is all over the place. And the danger too with masks is that you might think you’re in the clear with a mask so you aren’t otherwise careful.
Also, they claim people who wear masks are less likely to get it but how do they know this is not related to people who wear masks being the type of people who are much more careful about the virus in general—hand washing, social distancing etc.
In other words if you are the type to wear a mask you’re probably also the type to excessively wash your hands.
And we’re back to exactly where we were before. We don’t know what we don’t know.
I just looked at Amy Roloffs Instagram. Haven’t in awhile. She’s using this time to post new recipes and asking for feedback as well as promoting the new season of Little People. Average post has over 15,000 likes.
I’m in NJ... and let me tell you people are furious with the community ... they are not far from me ...the police have broken up endless parties at their homes after being told no get togethers... they don’t listen so now their getting arrested ...also half of our county cases are from Orthodox Jews in that area ... people here are threatening them it’s that bad
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Ben Shapiro talked today about how bad it is in the Orthodox community. Yes some are just defying orders. Others truly are just living several families in the home. I don't know what you do. One person can get infected at the grocery store then come home and infect the entire household. In Israel they're just flat out putting people into hotels, and it's working, their rates are fairly low. We might want to consider that. We have a whole lot of empty hotels right now.
TLC has a new spin-off called 90-Day Fiance: Self-Quarantined, starting April 20th, Wow, they didn't waste any time when finding a way capitalizing on a deadly virus, did they? They are shameless.
The head of Italy’s CDC equivalent said there’s really no hard data to support their lockdown working or not working. Nonetheless it’ll be extended at least until May 1 at this point. At least someone is humble enough to admit this is all just one big crapshoot.
This is interesting... Kate is being investigated by the labor department
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This is interesting... Kate is being investigated by the labor department
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Yep, and true to form, Kate is blaming Jon for it. Apparently she doesn't accept any blame for filming the kids without permits--she thinks all the blame goes to Jon for blowing the whistle on her. I don't think she is psychologically capable of admitting that her actions could ever be wrong. It's the people who speak out who are wrong in her mind, which is apparently how she justifies cutting people out of her life. She's going to end up very, very lonely.
Considering the kids didn't have work permits, the activities in NC were not the safest choices. Go karting and climbing up stairs in the rain to jump off a 100 foot platform were risky. Luckily none of the kids got hurt. Also, what the heck did she not think Jon would ever find out about the episode? She needs to respond to the summons. They don't just disappear. She always thinks she's above the law. Karma is coming.
Also, what the heck did she not think Jon would ever find out about the episode? She needs to respond to the summons. They don't just disappear. She always thinks she's above the law. Karma is coming.
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A narcissist making their way through the civil courts is just about the most menacing thing there ever is to go up against. Meanwhile back in normal land Jon shared a sweet yummy looking birthday cake Hannah made for him, clearly so proud of her.
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Considering the kids didn't have work permits, the activities in NC were not the safest choices.
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I'm guessing here, but I think the NC part of the program was filmed back in April 2018, just before the court came out with the ruling that restored Jon's parental rights. The parts that were illegal were whatever was filmed in PA over the summer of 2019. Mostly couch interviews with the tups and the crab dinner.
UC Irvine infectious disease researcher Dominik Wodarz said in an interview on KFI on Thursday that he can't find any evidence social distancing is making a shred of difference and that Orange County which is on full on lockdown is, by the numbers, slated to be just like Italy in the next couple weeks. Nonetheless he's in complete support of the policy. He has a good twitter account.
Crazy anti-vaccer? Or truth?
The WHO is now saying that most of the transmission of covid is occurring IN the family home. Duh. What do you think will happen when everyone shuts themselves away with others? The WHO said we may have to consider physically coming into homes and removing infected people. Oy. (This is exactly what China was doing)
The lockdown was an epic failure.
You've lost us....j
More people questioning stay at home. Here’s the LA mayor:
Even with a slowing infection rate, the mayor said the greatest risk for becoming sick could be within a home, when a brother, mother or other family member gets ill, doesn't realize it and spreads the virus to others, or fails to isolate themselves after breaking out in a fever and cough.
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The WHO is now saying that most of the transmission of covid is occurring IN the family home. Duh. What do you think will happen when everyone shuts themselves away with others? The WHO said we may have to consider physically coming into homes and removing infected people. Oy. (This is exactly what China was doing)
The lockdown was an epic failure.
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That’s because people didn’t know they had it.
So now you have coronavirus symptoms. Where are you supposed to go? By this time the others in your household may already have contracted it from you. So where are they supposed to go?
The only answer is now you ALL stay home and don’t leave your house or have anyone else in your home for three weeks. Then it won’t spread. But no one is doing that. Are at least not everyone.
They were saying if you have symptoms and go out cover your nose and mouth with your elbow when you cough or sneeze, or wear a mask. Uh no. Stay home!!
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More people questioning stay at home. Here’s the LA mayor:
Even with a slowing infection rate, the mayor said the greatest risk for becoming sick could be within a home, when a brother, mother or other family member gets ill, doesn't realize it and spreads the virus to others, or fails to isolate themselves after breaking out in a fever and cough.
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So the answer isn’t to stay home? What is it then? Just keep going out and spread it to others outside your home also?
If one person in a household comes down with it THEN THEY ALL STAY HOME.
They don’t necessarily have to stay in their home. They just have to stay INDOORS for three weeks and not interact with anyone else. But where would that be? Hospitals aren’t taking patients who have mild symptoms.
If staying home (the entire household) and keeping it contained is not the answer then what is?
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So the answer isn’t to stay home? What is it then? Just keep going out and spread it to others outside your home also?
If one person in a household comes down with it THEN THEY ALL STAY HOME.
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Other countries removed infected people from the home. And the problem is the incubation period is so long by the time you realized you infected Grandma it’s too late. Meanwhile you’ve gone and infected the clerk at the grocery store, the stock boy at the pharmacy, the mechanic at the auto shop and the teacher at the school where you picked up your subsidized lunch. What a mess.
I think the point is don’t assume social distancing is the safe path or safest path. It is largely responsible for the tragedy of New York because multiple generations live together there in more crowded conditions than LA. In which case we have utterly trashed our economy for no. Good. Reason. There is no good answer.
Remove them and put them where? And what do you do with the others that live in the home and have most likely already been infected? Remove them too? And put them where? And then the house stays empty? Then what’s the point?
Most people have it before they show symptoms, so at what point do you remove them from their home?
The problem is this wasn’t taken seriously before it got to this point. Why they didn’t learn from China and Italy is beyond me. Did they think it wouldn’t happen here? If they shut things down ASAP instead of waiting for it to spread more it wouldn’t have spread this far.
My kids were still in school at least a week past they should have been. Thankfully there were no cases at their school but it spread through the community probably that entire week. Yeah, kids are less susceptible but the teachers and staff are all adults. And the kids could be carriers and bring it home.
If me as just some Joe Schmo is wondering why they are still having school and people are still going out to sit in restaurants and movie theatres, why wasn’t anyone in charge putting a stop to anything non-essential a week to two weeks earlier than they did? If they did, the Curve would probably have flattened and the economy probably wouldn’t be in the toilet right now.
It’s not like no one has ever heard of a pandemic before. Or seen the signs.
Coulda woulda shoulda.... everybody’s a Monday morning quarterback... ridiculous
Coulda woulda shoulda.... everybody’s a Monday morning quarterback... ridiculous
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No this is WORSE than Monday morning quarterbacking. It's Monday morning quarterbacking without knowing the rules of the game, in fact without even knowing WHAT sport you're even playing.
The biggest mistake we can make in all this is to not continue asking questions, pressing, demanding, wanting more information. Comply, but press. The wort mistake we can make in all this is to become sheep at the hands of shepherds who don't know the rules let alone what sport they are playing. We need to appreciate that we all or almost all of us are giving up a great deal of our rights to people who at this point are just guessing. I think most of us are doing it on a wing and a prayer and as a sacrifice to protect our fellow countryman, and for many people it is at great personal loss. The Washington Post said it best, democracy dies in darkness.
Where do you go if you, or someone in your home, is showing Coronavirus symptoms? "Remove them from the home" is not an answer. That tells you where NOT to be. WHERE DO YOU GO??? And who gets removed? Just the one with symptoms? Or all the family members who have been in contact with them in the home?
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You can look to many other countries especially in Asia to see how they did it. Yes, people were removed from their homes and placed in hospitals and hotels. It is what it is. Not only is it not absurd to think of doing this but other countries already ARE doing it if you pay attention.
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You can look to many other countries especially in Asia to see how they did it. Yes, people were removed from their homes and placed in hospitals and hotels. It is what it is. Not only is it not absurd to think of doing this but other countries already ARE doing it if you pay attention.
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I don't think it absurd at all. I think it makes sense.
But there is supposedly no room in hospitals for people with mild COVID. If that's what other countries have been doing then our government should have set up places way before it got to this point. THEY should have looked to Asia. THEY should have paid attention.
And of course we should have questions... I have questions...
It still doesn't answer the question of WHO gets taken from their home and put in a hospital or hotel or wherever they are putting them.
Obviously if they were tested and they have COVID then of course them... but what about someone with just a cough, or other symptoms? What about their family they have been in contact with in the home? Should they all be removed from the home? Or just self-quarantine in the home for a few weeks?
If all are removed, then what's the difference between quarantining the entire family in a hospital or hotel, than in the home? The home will be sitting empty and how does that make sense? All you've done is switch the entire family to another location and now the nurses and those in contact with them are put at risk.
I'm not trying to be difficult... I'm genuinely asking... I don't have a problem with removing someone from the home... But who gets removed from the home in that scenario?
I'm all for closing down a hotel and putting the sick there... but who is going to care for them? Or are we just talking about mild symptoms? That's fine then. But Hotel staff shouldn't be at the hotel at that time because they are then at risk. Does the government take over the hotel?
I thought people are complaining about rights being taken away, but then they'll have a problem with people being taken from their homes and forced to stay in "hotels" or wherever else they put them. I'm not complaining, I'm just asking how that will actually be set up.
The logistics all have to be worked out. I’m just pointing out that despite anonymous saying otherwise, a huge number of mainstream Politicians, officials and medical experts are now scratching their heads over the true benefits of social distancing. Not only is it not uncommon to question this but it’s now being done on a daily basis. It’s also important even though in the moment it seems far off to talk exit plan, which means we have to start talking about who is let out first, what businesses to reopen, etc. It’s not going to be everything is closed now everything is open. It doesn’t work that way.
If you are so convinced of your position, why are you afraid to post anything showing that social distancing is working? A
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I'm not "afraid" to post anything. There simply IS no evidence social distancing is working. There is also no evidence it is NOT working either. The evidence is flimsy either way, and anyone who tells you otherwise is lying. I highly urge you to take advantage of the many free courses out there which will explain to you how to analyze and interpret data and the limitations of a very limited amount of data which we have. As well as the limitations on data in which there is no good control group, firm variables, etc. For example, some people AREN'T practicing social distancing, illegally, which throws off the number, while others, including myself, are not subject to social distancing at work because we are essential workers and have to sometimes violate it at work due to a variety of factors. All this wildly messes up your data.
I can only show you numbers and graphs. I cannot tell you what is CAUSING numbers to go up or down. Nobody knows. Anyone who tells you social distancing is a direct cause of numbers going up and down is not being honest with you. It MAY be, it may not be. Statewide deaths in CA were going down for three days and I was so excited thinking okay we're good, it's over, until now they've spiked right back up again today, which suggests social distancing really ISN'T working otherwise you should see a steady decline. And of note, LA County is now listing social distancing LAST on their things to do to prevent covid, behind washing your hands, avoiding the sick, and not touching your face. Wake up, stay alert, and take in as much information as you can. Don't be a sheep.
Bruce Willis and Demi Moore who were divorced ages ago decided for the good of the family to all quarantine together. Can you imagine, a family deciding to come back together during hard times because it’s just better for everyone. That’s just about the most unselfish thing a split couple could ever do.
Once again, a simplistic view. The testing system bottlenecked last week, so there was a large number of pending tests. Many of those results are in this week, which is an explanation for the spike. Expecting numbers to decline steadily when testing isn't performed or analyzed at an even pace is scientifically unsound reasoning.
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DEATHS are up, not cases. The case numbers are largely irrelevant for the reasons you stated and more. But the deaths? The deaths matter.
The simplistic view is to say see deaths went down because of social distancing.
My apologies, I misread your post. However, it also is not accurate to state that a spike in deaths is evidence that social distancing is not working
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It is neither strong evidence it is OR is not working. Statistics are your friend.
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Bruce Willis and Demi Moore who were divorced ages ago decided for the good of the family to all quarantine together. Can you imagine, a family deciding to come back together during hard times because it’s just better for everyone. That’s just about the most unselfish thing a split couple could ever do.
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I saw that too, and I was so impressed by their unselfishness and their maturity. What a wonderful lesson their kids are learning from watching their parents move past any unpleasantness and work together for the good of the family. It also shows that when couples split, their children don't have to be put in the position of having to choose between their parents. Compare that to Kate, who cuts people out of her life any time they don't agree with her, ends a marriage for petty and selfish reasons, and forces her kids to choose between their parents. No wonder she sent Collin away--that kind of banishment is normal behavior for her, and she is teaching the kids who are with her that this is the way to behave whenever there is conflict. She's definitely not trying to raise emotionally healthy kids, is she?
We're starting to have some warmer days here and there in Maryland, and I'm hopeful that this helps combat this virus. I can't predict whether it will come back in the fall, but I'll take any glimmer of hope from wherever I can get it.
We lost John Prine, singer, songwriter, national treasure.
"From Fiona Whelan Prine...
Our beloved John died yesterday evening at Vanderbilt Medical Center in Nashville TN. We have no words to describe the grief our family is experiencing at this time. John was the love of my life and adored by our sons Jody, Jack and Tommy, daughter in law Fanny, and by our grandchildren.
John contracted Covid-19 and in spite of the incredible skill and care of his medical team at Vanderbilt he could not overcome the damage this virus inflicted on his body.
I sat with John - who was deeply sedated- in the hours before he passed and will be forever grateful for that opportunity.
My dearest wish is that people of all ages take this virus seriously and follow guidelines set by the CDC. We send our condolences and love to the thousands of other American families who are grieving the loss of loved ones at this time - and to so many other families across the world.
Thank you from the bottom of our hearts for the outpouring of love we have received from family, friends, and fans all over the world. John will be so missed but he will continue to comfort us with his words and music and the gifts of kindness, humor and love he left for all of us to share."
I work in health care. I go to work anxious and scared. I am thankful for the lockdowns here, because it IS keeping the health system from being overwhelmed. I read things like this all the time because clinical information changes daily.
https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/85767
Deaths are one parameter. The recovered are another parameter. Really sick patients who are hospitalized for a month, on ventilators for weeks, and discharged very debilitated and probably won't be back to "normal" strength and functioning for a couple months. It takes up ICU beds and doctors, nurses, respiratory therapists, other staff have to work HARD to save them.
It's so sad about John Prine. I think of him as a musical genius, and he is my go to for road trips. I truly believe he helped soothe my dogs anxiety when I put him on.
The UK is starting to point out that if they don't get the economy going soon their ENTIRE HEALTHCARE SYSTEM is going to collapse. Does no good to socially distance to try to keep the umbers down for healthcare workers if the healthcare system itself does not function if the economy is coming to a screeching halt.
The perks of a national healthcare system. Snark.
Question--If the California primary was held today, would you stand on line to vote? Would you practice social distancing, & wear a mask? Or would you just say "social distancing is a farce, & I'll go wherever I want to go, mask or not?"
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I haven't stood in line to vote in 8 years. I vote by mail. Standing in line to vote is a tremendous waste of one's time and energy when the vote by mail option is readily available to almost everyone. I am a big fan of efficiency, and as a bonus you don't get exposed to all the nasty disease of everyone else in line, which go far beyond COVID. I once got h.pylori at court and lived a living hell for 6 months and lost 40 pounds, I am well aware of the dangers of diseases.
So you don't believe social distancing helps? That's like saying "Why bother? I can't catch it from people who don't have symptoms".
Isn't it better to be careful & aware, than take a chance?
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I have no idea if it helps or doesn't help. I thought I made that clear. We will soon see if it really has made a difference at all as parts of Europe are now saying f it we're opening up even despite continuing high death tolls. I am not against it to try it, but it also has to be balanced against all the suicides that are about to occur because people's lives are being destroyed.
Do you worry at all about suicides?
The lockdown was an epic failure.
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You are a hundred percent right CC. You get it. A lockdown does no good when you are quarantining yourself with someone infected who sincerely has no idea they have it and are dangerous. Fair enough we did not fully understand how secretive this diseases could be when we first started all this. However what I can't figure out (and neither can Ben Shapiro who has spoke extensively on this point AND does support a lockdown for now) is why in the world the government didn't PIVOT once they understood better how this virus works. You don't keep going with the same plan that's supposed to help A when the entire rules of the game just changed to B. What a mess.
Sorry but if I was Bruce willises wife I’d be pretty pissed off... his kids with Demi are grown... doesn’t he have young children with someone else...Wrong on this one... sorry
I assume Bruce Willis’s wife is fine with the arrangement given she’s commented positively on the photo. We don’t know what’s going on. It could very well be the case one of the children has severe anxiety and requested her dad, or something along those lines, who knows. But I doubt his wife would say anything if she didn’t like it.
But,but,but..Your idol, Donald Trump, says that vote by mail promotes fraud because people are sitting in their living rooms filling out multiple absentee ballots.
So do you agree/disagree with what your idol is saying?
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The concern is it’s easier to cheat on vote by mail ballots. Do you agree or disagree with that? However since I do not personally cheat when I vote, I’m not concerned about the integrity of my vote. I see that as an issue left to they experts to figure out better foolproof ways as voting by mail may be our only option if your lot continues to insist on destroying the country for months on end. even when we’re long past the peak of cases.
Bruce Willis has 3 daughters with Demi, and a couple more with his second wife. He probably decided it would be better for the kids if they could spend this time together, bonding as sisters. If they can make it work, I think it's amazing, and probably comforting for his younger kids. And he's not going to try to keep the older girls from their mom. It's an unconventional arrangement for sure, but at times like these, you make things work.
Bruce Willis has 3 daughters with Demi, and a couple more with his second wife. He probably decided it would be better for the kids if they could spend this time together, bonding as sisters. If they can make it work, I think it's amazing, and probably comforting for his younger kids. And he's not going to try to keep the older girls from their mom. It's an unconventional arrangement for sure, but at times like these, you make things work.
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As terrible as it all this, there are actually many stories like this one of it bringing people closer, forced to live together.
There are also of course many other stories of domestic violence, a couple shot themselves because they were paranoid they had covid, and other deadly consequences. All must be considered when extending a lockdown.
That's right, the evil liberals are out to destroy the country. Only a genius such as you could figure out our nefarious plan. It has nothing to do with trying to save hundreds of thousands of lives. Nope it's all about Destroying the economy, because that is really to all of our advantage now isn't it?
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Are you really this naive? It is to your GREAT advantage to destroy the country economically. It is much harder for a sitting president to get reelected when the economy is doing poorly. That's just a fact.
I mean come on, even most of your lot admits that a bad economy is good for them. Some of them can't help how giddy they are that things are finally not doing so well. At least they are honest about themselves. Which is more than can be said of you.
California is going to put health care providers up in hotels so they won’t have to go home to their families and infect them. That’s about the most obviously intelligent thing I’ve heard about this whole thing in weeks. It’s completely pointless to quarantine when your husband or wife Doctor is coming home to the family every night infecting you all.
Well, OT but we finally broke quarantine here. I spent about a month at home, and was getting used to it, and then our precious fur baby got sick. Desi (when we got her while our cat Lucy was still alive, and we thought--if we have a Lucy, then we have to have a Desi, right?) woke up in the middle of the night, continually licking her lips. It was odd, but not terribly alarming. Then in the morning she refused to get up, wouldn't eat or drink (and she is an eater!), and her heart was pounding so hard. We all panicked, as the last time we had a sick dog, that dog ended up having cancer. We bundled her off to the emergency vet where she had x-rays (nothing unusual came up), blood tests (still waiting for results), and then some IV fluids and anti-nausea medicine. She's back home, still not back to normal but resting and taking it easy. She appreciates all the attention, including the boys singing her favorite song ("Smile" by Uncle Kracker) to her. Strangely enough, when she's stressed (car rides!), that song calms her down, but only if they sing it to her. We're hoping for the best.
Layla - Hopefully your Desi will be fine. Our bully wasn’t acting right last year so we took him to the vet. I insisted on X-rays because I was afraid he’d swallowed something (he hadn’t). I also had them do bloodwork because I’m paranoid about diabetes (none of my dogs have ever had it so I don’t know what’s put that in my head). It ended up that he’d eaten some rotten fruit that fell off the tree and had a very expensive tummy ache. It took him a couple of days to get back to normal. I’d do it again.
I went out to Fry’s today to pick up my groceries. I order online and they bring them to the car. It’s really quite nice. I do miss wandering the aisles just looking though. I’ve always kept hand sanitizer, TP, paper towels and Lysol spray/wipes on hand so I don’t have any worries there. I didn’t hoard anything, I’ve just always kept a good supply. Probably all those years stationed in Germany where you had to get it when the commissary had it. Old habits die hard.
Layla, good luck with Desi!I hope he continues to improve- how scary! As for shopping here there are lineups and only a small number of people can go in at a time- many items out of stock and we are low on things and have not got our usual foods but we will make do...stay safe and well, everywhere! We are all ok here.
Poor Katie Irene. I’m watching DIY channel and a commercial came on for Bindi Irwin’s wedding. It’s being shown next Saturday on Animal Planet. I’m sure Kate had it planned in her head that all eight of her kids’ weddings would be filmed and paid for by TLC. Oh dear. Not going to happen.
Hope everyone is well and staying safe.
Layla...Hope Desi is okay. We never like it when our fur babies are under the weather and we don’t know why.
Formerly Duped....I was in Stop & Shop yesterday and the store was fully stocked as regards to food. They are still out of toilet paper, paper towels and cleaning products like Lysol and Clorox but haven’t had any problem with food the last two times I was there. I go once a week because of needing fresh produce. I’ve also been to Shaw’s and they are good with food as well but not paper and cleaning products.
capecodmama: glad you are able to get most of what you need...here some stores are well-stocked but it's a matter of timing! Meat, poultry and some fresh produce are not readily found...and the lineups such as at Trader Joe's are about an hour long!we tend to get different things at different stores which we should avoid. Maybe after Easter it will be easier...idk!
Layla I forgot you had a cat. I hope your little one is ok. I worry about my cat getting sick at this difficult time. She is 19! And I worry about her anyway. But she seems great and she is a constant source of comfort to me (she loves to be held and cuddled)
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Piper is doing fine. She's healthy and happy and very, very spoiled. When we remember that tiny little emaciated kitten, stuffed in a plastic bag and thrown out with the trash, we still get so angry. That makes us spoil her even more. But she's a joy and we're lucky to have her. I read that cats can possibly get coronavirus, but she sticks close to home so I don't think she's in any danger. She does go out in the yard to explore, but she stays close to us. I hope we get to have 19 years (or more) with her!
Desi is doing better today! She threw up a couple times last night, but this morning she ate some rice cooked in chicken broth and now she's sitting outside enjoying the sun. She's still very subdued--not like the little diva she usually is--but definitely on the mend. She's just starting to boss around our male dog, who is very passive and lets her be in charge, so there's a glimmer of her normal self. Thank goodness! It must have been something she ate, but it could have been so much worse.
Desi is doing better today! She threw up a couple times last night, but this morning she ate some rice cooked in chicken broth and now she's sitting outside enjoying the sun. She's still very subdued--not like the little diva she usually is--but definitely on the mend. She's just starting to boss around our male dog, who is very passive and lets her be in charge, so there's a glimmer of her normal self. Thank goodness! It must have been something she ate, but it could have been so much worse.
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Aww best wishes to Desi glad she's on the mend.
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It looks like this is an expensive tummy ache, but worth it to make sure Desi is okay. Hopefully by tomorrow she'll be back to normal. Her favorite little human is coming over, and he's crawling now so she has to be able to keep up.
We spent 10 years in Germany (3 tours) so I know what you mean about the Commissary. Very unpredictable. We also learned to keep extras of everything, so we were pretty well prepared for this crisis.
From Dmasy --
Happy and Blessed Easter to all.
(Including Desi and Piper.)
Stay well. Stay safe. Here -- we have always had social distancing!
Have a lovely day.
I don't imagine Kate has volunteered as a professional to help out with the shortage of nurses treating victims of the virus in Pennsylvania, or we would have heard about it by now.
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Easter was wonderful for everyone, including Desi, who has made a complete recovery. We got to spend another "first" holiday with the little monster pictured to the left. Sully is 6 months old now! He's crawling so he's all over the place. He loves having "conversations" with us (told Nana all about the 4 shots he had the other day--so traumatic!), gives slobbery kisses, plays peek-a-boo with his blanket, and is obsessed with the remote control. Typical guy, eh? He laughs and smiles and squeals and is just so happy and squishy and fun. He loves hanging with all of his uncles and feeling like he's one of the guys. I love holidays with all my boys, and now having him just takes it all to a whole new level. I'm so thankful to know that all my loved ones are well and healthy despite all that's going on in the world. My boys are home (except my National Guardsman, who was sorely missed). My little Desi-girl is all better. There's so much to give thanks for.
More evidence the lockdowns aren't making a shred of difference:
ut Berenson argues that those models have social distancing and other measures baked into them. As for further proof, he says that outside of places like New York there has not been a national health crisis that was predicted -- nor are there signs that the level of lockdown in various states has made a difference.
“Aside from New York, nationally there’s been no health system crisis. In fact, to be truly correct there has been a health system crisis, but the crisis is that the hospitals are empty,” he said. “This is true in Florida where the lockdown was late, this is true in southern California where the lockdown was early, it's true in Oklahoma where there is no statewide lockdown. There doesn't seem to be any correlation between the lockdown and whether or not the epidemic has spread wide and fast.”
He has also argued, in lengthy Twitter threads, that the drop in cases seen in various states has come before lockdowns would have had an impact -- since it takes a few weeks for social distancing measures to take effect due to the window between infection and symptoms.
“I went to Yale and I worked for the New York Times, the people on the left hold themselves out as being science-driven, as being smarter, they think they're smarter but they won’t look at facts that won’t meet their narratives,” he said.
https://www.theblaze.com/news/former-ny-times-reporter-sounds-alarm-over-flawed-coronavirus-models-that-have-tossed-economy-into-freefall
I don't imagine Kate has volunteered as a professional to help out with the shortage of nurses treating victims of the virus in Pennsylvania, or we would have heard about it by now.
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Right. Her kids are almost adults, there's been a call for medical workers, she is desperately needed. She is in the best position of anyone right now to answer the call because of her nursing background. Then again, I'd hate for someone to have to go to the hospital feeling so ill with COVID and be greeted with her face, that's just not right.
In seriousness though, from a good publicity standpoint alone she could make a killing on this if she volunteered and encouraged others to on social media.
Contrast this with Bethany Frankel, who is literally saving lives with a couple clicks of her mouse from her home office. I have so much respect for her right now.
Kate won't go back to nursing no matter what. She doesn't care whether her nursing skills are needed. She doesn't care whether people are dying. She wants to be on TV and that is the only thing she will consider doing. She has spent so many years working to convince the public that filming is the only thing she could ever possibly do. I'm sure she's long since convinced herself that it's true. Nursing is out of the question.
Anyone else suspect that she's called TLC and tried to convince them to do a "Quarantining With the Gosselins" episode? They can follow her and the twins around as they scour the area stores, stocking up on thousands of dollars' worth of stuff to hoard (all paid for by TLC, of course). And to add a little drama, they can discover a complete lack of toilet paper and Kate can have an epic meltdown right there in the paper products aisle of Costco. Who wouldn't want to watch that? (That's a rhetorical question--we already know the answer).
Anyone else suspect that she's called TLC and tried to convince them to do a "Quarantining With the Gosselins" episode? They can follow her and the twins around as they scour the area stores, stocking up on thousands of dollars' worth of stuff to hoard (all paid for by TLC, of course). And to add a little drama, they can discover a complete lack of toilet paper and Kate can have an epic meltdown right there in the paper products aisle of Costco. Who wouldn't want to watch that? (That's a rhetorical question--we already know the answer).
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Layla - You know she made that phone call because her family is oh so much more interesting than the riff raff. I seem to remember when she talked about how much toilet paper they go through but it was an unbelievable Amount. I remember that we talked about it here. I wonder how much she’s hoarded and if Brownie/HippieChick has made a cereal run for her.
Hope that everyone here is doing well. And Layla I’m glad that Desi has recovered.
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I seem to remember when she talked about how much toilet paper they go through but it was an unbelievable Amount.
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I forgot about that! IIRC, she was grifting TP from some company and claimed they went through a roll of TP per day, per person. More of her extreme exaggeration, right up there with the 3 boxes of cereal and 2 pounds of bacon each day for breakfast. Give me a break! I raised a large family of very active boys, and we never went through the amounts she claimed her kids used/consumed. Never.
Desi had a little bit of a relapse yesterday--she didn't want to play, go for walks, or eat. Not as bad as the first time, but still worrisome. We took turns staying up with her through the night, and this morning she jumped right up and went out to go potty, then devoured her kibble (and some of her fur-brother's, too). We're hoping this is the end of it.
Admin - How’s your dog doing? What’s his IG? I can’t remember.
Admin - How’s your dog doing? What’s his IG? I can’t remember.
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He's doing fantastic. His insta is @sea.gordon. He's loving the extra attention, exercise, and hanging out. He thinks I've quit life to be with him.
Layla, is desi drinking more water then usual?
I had a dog a few years ago that started with heart disease. A few years after he developed cushings, high thirst and a bloated look. With sort of scabs on his hind quarters and tail. His last few months he became diabetic. That was the hardest one to treat. But one of the signs was severe thirst. If his sugars went too low he wouldn’t eat and became lethargic. Can’t give insulin on an empty stomach so that was a battle. Not to scare you, but if it happens again I would have tests done. My little guy died in my arms 2 years ago, I miss him so much! We got another dog last summer, I love him dearly but I still miss my buddy. Dogs need to live longer!
There is no way Kate went through that much food or TP! Typical narcissist exaggeration!
I bet she is begging tlc to film her during the quarantine. How interesting that would be, must see tv! NOT! I’d be more excited to watch paint dry.
I’ve been addicted to watching 90 day fiancé during this quarantine. I can’t stop watching! Much more interesting then watching the screaming banshee.
Admin, You are aware that seagordon lets you live in his house, aren't you?
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No, she wasn't drinking much--or eating at all. She seems fine today, but a little while ago our male dog (Dex) walked into the family room and threw up on the floor! What is going on? Something is off here, but he's acting completely differently from the way Desi did. He ate normally, went for a walk, and seemed to be just fine. He's now sleeping, all wrapped up in my youngest DS's favorite blanket (which Dex is constantly trying to steal, but rarely gets). Maybe it was all an act to get the coveted blanket for himself, but I doubt it. We're keeping an eye on both of them. Very strange.
I'm so sorry about your pup. It's terrible to lose a pet--they're family and even though we love them all, nothing can replace them. New ones are a comfort and a joy, but not a replacement.
'When Dan Tyrell received a delivery of prepared meals from Project Angel Food for himself and neighbor Becky Lincoln, who has type 1 diabetes, on Wednesday, he thought he recognized the masked volunteers dropping off the food. “I thought that tall red-headed guy looked pretty familiar, and that girl was pretty,” the West Hollywood local commented.
Moments later, after a glimpse of the nearby security guards and black SUVs, it clicked: The couple standing at his Los Angeles apartment complex was none other than Prince Harry and Duchess Meghan.
“They told us they heard our drivers were overloaded and wanted to volunteer to lighten the drivers’ workload,” Project Angel Food’s executive director, Richard Ayoub, told WEHOville, a local news site serving the West Hollywood community. “It’s really, really amazing. We loved having them and they are the most down-to-earth people.
A source close to the Sussexes tells BAZAAR.com, “In many places, volunteers—which are needed now more than ever—are serving incredibly long hours to support others. The couple is grateful for all of those volunteers, and inspired by the frontline workers, essential workers, and people everywhere who are committed to responding to needs of their communities in this crisis.”
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Harry and Meghan have been quietly dropping off meals for shut ins in Los Angeles. No fuss, no cameras, no social media.
Kate?
Are you volunteering to deliver meals? It would be lovely if Kate were volunteering, but I would certainly hope that you wouldn't have an expectation of others that you are not fulfilling yourself. (And no, being an "essential worker" doesn't qualify.)
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Huh? What are you talking about? Um, no, I'm not delivering meals. I'm an essential worker who goes into a courthouse usually once or twice a week in addition to doing hearings online all day daily. It would be pretty darn reckless of me to start touching people's food and wandering around on their porches after being exposed to an office that has several COVID cases right now, and three deaths. Thanks for asking.
I assume Meghan, Harry, and Kate are not constantly exposing them to COVID and are much better choice of people to go out there and volunteer. But if you'd like a meal from me, I'd be happy to bring you one.
Aw, how sweet of you to offer to attempt to infect me with a potentially deadly virus. Let me think about it and get back to you. Are you able to provide an exceptional vegetarian meal?
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You're the one who seems to want me to deliver meals without any regard for my risk level. Hint, it's high, and we've basically been doing rolling quarantines at the office. Somebody is always on quarantine. I'm not complaining, and neither have the three people who gave their lives to continue to help assholes like you get their needs met. You're welcome. You're pretty darn reckless and says a lot about your state of mind.
Admin, You are aware that seagordon lets you live in his house, aren't you?
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Lol, as of today I'm aware.
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Really, the Los Angeles judicial system is sending people into courtrooms who have had direct exposure to someone with Covid, in violation of the DPH quarantine order? Hmm...maybe the LA Times should look into that. Or is your tenuous relationship with the truth on display again?
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Correct. I don’t lie. It’s not in violation of the DPH as the judicial system is considered a vital essential function by both the governor and the county. If you don’t believe me, you can go to the LA County courts web site and browse all the orders there include repeated statements about the importance of keeping justice alive for lowlifes like you because we’re a democracy not socialists. Many courthouses remain open to essential hearings. In mine we hear about 40-50 a day. Down from 600 but still requires many people to be there. Yes, people are in courtrooms though there are a lot of changes using technology to keep some people out.
Before you pontificate and pearl clutch about the rule violations you might want to familiarize yourself with what is and isn’t allowed.
Here anonymous. Here's your court order. Courts are closed EXCEPT for these fuckety-billion essential hearings. The LA times is already well aware, no need to "alert" them. I don't LIE, courts are working ALL DAY LONG. I don't LIE, people are going to work and being exposed to COVID and three people have died as a result of this order. Projection, much?
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This court HEREBY FINDS AND ORDERS AS FOLLOWS:
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From April 17, 2020 until May 12, 2020, inclusive, all courtrooms will remain closed for judicial business, except for the following time-sensitive, essential functions:
a. Civil Temporary Restraining Orders
b. Family Temporary Restraining Orders
c. Civil Ex Parte Proceedingst
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d. Family Ex Parte Proceedings
e. Hague Convention (International Kidnapping)
f. Probate Ex Parte Hearings
g. Probate Emergency Petitions for Temporary Conservatorship
h. Probate Emergency Petitions for Temporary Guardianship
i. Riese Hearings
j. Search Warrants
k. Arraignments
1. Criminal Preliminary Hearings
m. Criminal Ex Parte Hearings
n. Bail Bond and Cash Bail Processings
o. Bail Review
p. Criminal Mental Competency Hearings
q. Criminal Sentencing Proceedings
r. Criminal Post-Sentencing Proceedings
s. Grand Jury Indictments
t. Juvenile Ex Parte Orders
u. Emergency Orders Relating to the Health and Safety of a Child
v. Juvenile Restraining Orders
w. Juvenile Delinquency Detention Hearings and related case processing
x. Juvenile Dependency Detention Hearings and related case processing
y. Petitions for Writ Seeking Emergency Relief in Misdemeanor, Limited Civil and
Infractions
z. Emergency Writs Challenging COVID- 19 Emergency Measures
aa. Writs of Habeas Corpus Challenging Medical Quarantines
bb. Emergency Protective Orders
cc. Proceedings under the Lanterman-Petris-Short (“LPS”) Act
dd. Judicial Conmiitments for Dangerous Persons based on Mental Health Conditions
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ADMINISTRATIVE ORDER OF THE PRESIDING JUDGE RE COVID-19 PANDEMIC
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NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN THAT ALL OTHER MATTERS WILL BE
ee. Parole and Post-Release Community Supervision Revocation Hearings
ff. Juvenile Delinquency Adjudications and Dispositions, and related case processing gg. Juvenile Petitions pursuant to Welfare and Institutions Code section 388e (per
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Emergency Rule No. 6)
hh. Expedited Petitions to Approve Compromise of Disputed Claim or Pending Action
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From Gavin Newsom's order regarding who are essential workers:
"The Courts, consistent with guidance released by the California Chief Justice .... Professional services, such as legal or accounting services, when necessary to assist in compliance with legally mandated activities and critical sector services."
Courts and lawyers are deemed essential workers by Gavin, go whine to him if you don't like it.
I'm not remotely reckless. I follow all those social distancing rules that you have repeatedly claimed are useless. Want to talk about reckless? Going to work when you've been directly exposed, as you are claiming you are doing, is pretty fucking reckless.
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COVID is all over the building. This is true in most courts in LA and most buildings. We follow guidance from Public Health. When they ask people to quarantine, they do. When they do not ask you, they don't. If everyone quarantined because someone came into the building who later developed Covid, courts wouldn't be able to function at all. My understanding is they are only asking people to quarantine who have spent ten or more minutes with an infected person. If you spent 9 minutes or less, you aren't asked. We wear masks and gloves.
Yeah, you're right it's pretty fucked up, but the alternative is no court at all. And then lowlifes like you would have to just sit in jail without a hearing and lord knows the snowflakes can't stand that, so onward.
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And my point stands. Why do expect Kate Gosselin (or anyone else, for that matter) to volunteer if you're not? There are plenty of things you could be doing that don't involve direct contact with other people. It's hypocritical to judge someone for not doing something that you yourself aren't doing.
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Why in the world are you assuming I'm not volunteering? In fact I AM volunteering, asswipe. Among other things, I fostered a dog, Amelia, who got adopted and am about to do it again. This is a safe thing to do for someone like me because I don't have to come near anyone to do it. Every volunteer helps to get dogs out of the shelters (essential functions) so that workers can go home. In Riverside, foster parents cleared the whole shelter so the workers could go home. What is with you tonight? And what are YOU doing? I give 60 hours a week to my essential function job at all hours of the day and then volunteer beyond that, it's beyond fair game for me to ask what Kate does. Why are you so obsessed with me and what I'm doing during COVID, please, by all means, share what you are up to, maybe it will give me more ideas for what we can do.
As for Kate, I have every right to ask what is SHE doing to contribute. All her other celebrity friends are contributing. She? Dead silent.
The fact is, Kate isn't doing a thing, and you damn well know it, even though she has skills that are DIRECTLY applicable to this crisis, because Kate is selfish and not interested in helping others. Time to face reality.
Of course the judicial system is a vital function, but it is not an exception to the 4/1 quarantine order. Have you read it? Spoiler alert: It does NOT say that essential workers are excluded from the Covid exposure quarantine mandate. It does say that if you are a health care worker or a 1st responder, you should consult your employer.
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LA County has a number you can call if you suspect violations. Go ahead and call it. Public Health has been incredibly responsive, and very pleasant to speak with when I was quarantined. I have not asked details about other people's quarantines because I don't see their health as any of my damn business and I trust my colleagues, who have proven perfectly capable of following the rules, to listen to the directions from Public Health. The problem is by the time people developed symptoms and did the right thing and immediately stayed home, they had already unknowingly exposed others. You don't seem to be aware that Public Health is not asking you to quarantine merely because you've been in the same building with COVID, that's not how it works. Thanks for playing.
From Public Health themselves: "A person is considered to be a close contact of a person with or likely to have COVID-19 if they (a) were within six (6) feet of a person who has or is likely to have COVID-19 for more than ten (10) minutes or (b) had unprotected contact with the body fluids and/or secretions (such as being coughed on/sneezed on, shared utensils or saliva or provided care without wearing protective equipment) of a person who has or...."
So if I go in and do a hearing, and my friend over there ends up getting diagnosed with COVID two days later, but I never hung out with him six feet apart, I don't get quarantined. I also don't get quarantined if I was LESS than six feet away from him, if I only did so for under ten minutes. And finally, I also don't get quarantined even if I was less than six weeks for more than ten minutes IF I don't see him for at least 48 hours before he develops symptoms. If it's 50 hours, I don't get quarantined.
Reading comprehension is your friend.
Public Health knows what they're doing. They are doing an excellent job. They don't need your help with this. So have I been exposed to COVID? Undoubtedly, many times. Am I subject to a quarantine every time? No, I haven't been, only once in March.
I'm not obsessed with what you are doing. And good on you for fostering a dog. I was simply making a point about hypocrisy and you got incredibly defensive. Perhaps it is you who is doing a wee bit of projecting.
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You tried to make a point without even doing the courtesy of asking me what if anything I am doing to volunteer. That's not fair. Instead, you immediately assumed I have no right to ask what others are doing because I haven't done anything. I have social media, I link it in the blog, you can follow it and see what I'm doing. There you would have seen me among other things chronically my foster dog experience during COVID, all the challenges of it and the joys, followed by her successful adoption. I am undertaking another giving back project as well during this time, but I'm prohibited by the organization from sharing it on social media for the protection of those involved, but right now it's involving about 8-10 hours a week, so it's going to be pretty major. I will share it when I am allowed to. Kate also has social media, and is doing a whole lot of nothing. My point stands, it fair game to ask what Kate is doing, which is ALL I did. I didn't accuse, I didn't assume. I simply asked her what she is doing.
Your CLAIM was that you had been directly exposed and could not deliver food as a result. Now you are claiming that your exposure doesn't meet DHS parameters. In other words, you weren't directly exposed. Which is it? You can't have it both ways. If it is reckless for you to deliver meals, it is reckless for you to go to work.
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That's not what I said you idiot.
I HAVE been directly exposed to COVID. It has not, however, met the parameters for quarantine by Public Health. I am, however, being extremely careful, despite not meeting the qualifications for quarantine. As anyone who is an essential worker should be extremely careful.
Just because Public Health says I'm still okay to work doesn't mean I'm not at very high risk. Obviously, since many people still continue to get it at their workplaces. Can you understand that concept? I am allowed to be MORE careful than Public Health is being with me because I'm a good citizen and considerate and all that. I don't have to run around recklessly just because they have deemed me cleared to go to work. Chances are, I don't have COVID and won't expose anyone to it, as most of L.A., even essential workers, do not have COVID, never will have COVID, and never will expose anyone to COVID. But I'm being cautious just in case. I am allowed to do that. Public Health is also allowed to set their own standards. I'm sure they would prefer ALL essential workers be in quarantine right now, but they are capable of the very simple concept that if they set the bar that low, nobody would be around to save your ass. I'm just telling you COVID is all over our workplaces around the County, I'm just being honest with you. It is what it is. And none of us should be delivering a damn tuna casserole.
Oh come on. If that was "simply asking" you are the most passive aggressive human being alive.
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All I said was "Kate?" That's literally all I said. And you lost your mind.
That's passive aggressive? You are a nutcase. I have a free subscription to Headspace. I find it terribly boring, but I'm happy to let you have it. It might help calm your freak outs and racing thoughts. It's good until December. That's a lot of help for you. Email me.
Omg there is a HUGE difference between someone who is home all day doing nothing and not volunteering, and someone who is still working as an essential worker and not volunteering. Admin is working a full time job. Kate isn’t.
Kate doesn’t have a job AND she has needed skills. Even if she doesn’t want to go out and be a nurse for fear of getting COVID, well she could at least use her celebrity at home via the internet to do something to contribute to the cause. Or society at least.
I strongly disagree that kart has the skills to help! She has not worked in approximately 15 years, she never worked in critical care, and what skills she did have are long since outdated and forgotten. Equipment is different now, protocols are new, drugs are new....she never had ANY training in crises nursing like this.
She would be the highest risk to patients of all risks they face. Her personality will not allow her to learn on the fly, she won't let anyone tell here what to do.... and I bet one million dollars that she never kept up her continuing ed credentials.
It is an insult to nurses every where to say she has the skill set. A huge insult.
I strongly disagree that kart has the skills to help! She has not worked in approximately 15 years, she never worked in critical care, and what skills she did have are long since outdated and forgotten. Equipment is different now, protocols are new, drugs are new....she never had ANY training in crises nursing like this.
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I’d put her on hazardous waste disposal duty. Go.
They only skill she has is being the best narcissist there is.... nobody is better at it than she is
Omg there is a HUGE difference between someone who is home all day doing nothing
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I see you have high regard for stay-at-home mothers!
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Her kids are a breath away from SIXTEEN YEARS OLD. She could leave them all day long to go volunteer. Or even for a few hours. Or she could even go to NY and answer the call for medical personnel and they would still be fine and stay with family or friends.
Kids are watching you and watching what you do. And they especially watch in a crisis. And they notice, is my mom and dad DOING something with this time? Did they make sacrifices? Did they handle this with grace, patience, and compassion? Did they use the skills and abilities they had to give back? Or did they just hole up and watch Netflix the whole time and let "somebody else" do all the mountains of essential work to be done, the volunteer work, the giving back.
Even Jen from TLC's informative video about washing your hands was a great contribution because she actually has medical training in how to properly wash your hands to remove most germs. That was great.
There will be other disasters and another crisis in the future, likely in their lifetimes. And what they observed here now informs how they will conduct themselves in the future.
ROME (Reuters) - Deaths from the COVID-19 epidemic in Italy rose by 575 on Friday, up from 525 the day before, while the number of new cases declined slightly and scientists warned that infections were now mainly happening among family members
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Italy is on an extremely strict lockdown with police in every corner. They have been doing this far longer than the incubation period now. And now they finally admit it, the infections are occurring IN HOMES among people shut in together. Sigh.
I see you have high regard for stay-at-home mothers!
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You consider Kate a stay-at-home mother??? If you do, then you’re the one that has no regard for REAL stay-at-home mothers if you lump Kate in with them.
P.S. I didn’t mention stay-at-home moms. You did. I said people who sit around all day doing nothing. Seems to me that made YOU think of stay-at-home moms. Because to me REAL stay-at-home moms work 24/7.
States without stay-at-home orders are seeing a spike in cases. Sigh.
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Sigh, states WITH stay at home orders are also seeing a spike in cases.
Unfortunately, there is just no proven correlation. It doesn't mean we don't do it, but the data is at best weak to PROVE that it works. This is at best, an experiment during an extremely uncertain time, without a control group or all the other scientific parameters used to conduct a real experiment. In short, this is a throw it at the wall and see what sticks situation. That's the dire situation we're in.
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I read the Reuters article. While iir did say in families it didn’t specifically say families that STAY HOME. It could be families where someone in the household is an essential worker and keeps coming and going and brings it home. Or insist on going shopping without a mask. Or doesn’t practice social distancing. That’s definitely possible. But that is different than everyone staying home and still getting it.
The fact that you think the only two options are research with an experimental design or throwing things at the wall to see what sticks shows that you haven't the first clue about either research or statistics.
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The fact that you think the research and statistics are showing us anything meaningful in the span of a mere 90 days shows how little you understand this.
Not at the same rate in most cases.
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You're being dishonest. For example, there was a spike in North Dakota. It was directly related to an outbreak at a meat packing factory. Everyone in the media is dishonestly ragging on North Dakota for not having a stay at home order. But, if a stay at home order were in place this outbreak likely would have occurred anyway because meat packing factories are essential workers who would have open either way. It's despicable the way the media has handled this story and been so nasty to a state who very reasonably is not issuing a stay at home.
You want to oversimplify all this and it just can't be done.
Admin@128: It's despicable the way the media has handled this story...
Could not agree more. Shame on them.
'As the Duke and Duchess of Sussex now settle into the next chapter of their lives and no longer receive any publicly funded support, we are writing to set a new media relations policy, specifically as it pertains to your organisation.
Like you, The Duke and Duchess of Sussex believe that a free press is a cornerstone to any democracy – particularly in moments of crisis. At its best, this free press shines light on dark places, telling stories that would otherwise go untold, standing up for what’s right, challenging power, and holding those who abuse the system to account.
It has been said that journalism’s first obligation is to the truth. The Duke and Duchess of Sussex agree wholeheartedly. It is gravely concerning that an influential slice of the media, over many years, has sought to insulate themselves from taking accountability for what they say or print – even when they know it to be distorted, false, or invasive beyond reason. When power is enjoyed without responsibility, the trust we all place in this much needed industry is degraded.
There is a real human cost to this way of doing business and it affects every corner of society. The Duke and Duchess of Sussex have watched people they know – as well as complete strangers – have their lives completely pulled apart for no good reason, other than the fact that salacious gossip boosts advertising revenue.
With that said, please note that The Duke and Duchess of Sussex will not be engaging with your outlet. There will be no corroboration and zero engagement. This is also a policy being instated for their communications team, in order to protect that team from the side of the industry that readers never see.
This policy is not about avoiding criticism. It’s not about shutting down public conversation or censoring accurate reporting. Media have every right to report on The Duke and Duchess of Sussex, good or bad. But it can’t be based on a lie. They also want to be very clear: this is not in any way a blanket policy for all media.
The Duke and Duchess of Sussex are looking forward to working with journalists and media organisations all over the world, engaging with grassroots media, regional and local media, and young, and up-and-coming journalists, to spotlight issues and causes that so desperately need acknowledging. And they look forward to doing whatever they can to help further opportunities for more diverse and underrepresented voices, who are needed now more than ever.
What they won’t do is offer themselves up as currency for an economy of clickbait and distortion. We are encouraged that this new approach will be heard and respected.'
Here's a site I found today that really lays out the Sussexes case against the tabloids. Whoever is running this page is laying it all out.
bylineinvestigates.com
Here's a site I found today that really lays out the Sussexes case against the tabloids. Whoever is running this page is laying it all out.
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I can post some interesting links too, I think it’s Hapers that laid out the timeline of their texts and calls to support their case. It’s pretty shocking. They basically prove that the media intentionally skewed the story to make it seem like they left her father in the dust. The truth is both Harry and Meghan sent him numerous kind and compassionate texts pleading with him to let them help, and called him and sent a security team to him to protect him even though he didn’t want one. Her father also asserts that many of the things the media said he said he absolutely never said. I think that statement as far more credibility now that Harry and Meghan have proved how twisted the father-estrangement story was in the press. Their case is strong and will likely settle now. Now we know how they intend to live on their own dime at least for now!
Frankly I haven’t trusted the media in years and can point to literally hundreds of stories about the news in general that have been false or misleading, but even this shocked me. It should be a wake up call for anyone who gets their information from mainstream media. Effectively, don’t, or if you do I beg of you read other sources too.
https://www.harpersbazaar.com/celebrity/latest/a32201746/meghan-markle-prince-harry-tabloid-legal-letter/
Domestic violence calls are up 9% in Los Angeles. Lovely.
But Meg and Harry think that NOW is the time to release a narcissistic, white privileged, whiny letter to the public. THIS is the hill they choose to die on. The hill where they stand above everyone else in thinking that the world actually gives a shit about their "media" problems. OMG.
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Their court date is apparently this Monday, hence the release of their new policy. Life doesn’t stop because of covid and neither does media harassment. You have to move forward at some point, and suddenly cutting off certain members of the press with no explanation I think would be a bit much. The courteous thing to do was to provide them their reasoning, they have done so.
The Harry/Meghan saga makes me appreciate the fact that I don't have to deal with the media. The press can be savage, and in some cases the nastiness is unwarranted. I don't know how I'd handle being savaged and portrayed as a horrible person, reading completely fabricated stories about myself. Yikes. I appreciate my privacy!
Maryland is still shut down, but lawn services have suddenly started working again. For awhile they weren't, yet this past week the whole neighborhood has been buzzing with mowers and weed whackers. One neighbor had their roof replaced--first one I've seen this year. I guess workers have started missing their paychecks.
All this yard work makes me think--poor Katie-kins is stuck paying for the work on her property herself. I wonder how she likes that. Mowing, weeding, planting, trimming, edging, mulching, cleanup, repairs, and pool maintenance, all coming out of her pocket. It certainly is "mine, all mine" now--including the bills. Enjoy!
The Harry/Meghan saga makes me appreciate the fact that I don't have to deal with the media. The press can be savage, and in some cases the nastiness is unwarranted. I don't know how I'd handle being savaged and portrayed as a horrible person, reading completely fabricated stories about myself. Yikes. I appreciate my privacy!
Maryland is still shut down, but lawn services have suddenly started working again. For awhile they weren't, yet this past week the whole neighborhood has been buzzing with mowers and weed whackers. One neighbor had their roof replaced--first one I've seen this year. I guess workers have started missing their paychecks.
All this yard work makes me think--poor Katie-kins is stuck paying for the work on her property herself. I wonder how she likes that. Mowing, weeding, planting, trimming, edging, mulching, cleanup, repairs, and pool maintenance, all coming out of her pocket. It certainly is "mine, all mine" now--including the bills. Enjoy!
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To be frank, I kind of see the Harry/Meghan situation as pretty doomed. Neither of them like the bad side of the press and it is especially unhealthy for Harry, but neither of them are willing to just make a clean break of it and go back to the private sector, Harry perhaps doing mechanical work or working at an airport because of his knowledge of helicopters, Meghan perhaps going into design or nutrition. It is great they want to be involved in charity work and they should do that, but it also keeps them in the public on some level even when they have done everything they can to do it quietly. What I'm gathering for them is that they actually think they are going to be able to stop the bad press by taking these steps. And I think to some extent it has reduced the bad press and will reduce it. But I don't see it stopping completely, there will always be some mole willing to blab about them, and I think that could leave the two of them perpetually frustrated and unhappy, which eventually leads to marriage breakdowns.
Here in California landscapers are essential workers. I am in full support of that as trees and landscaping that is not taken care of properly is dangerous and healthy. Some counties have declared mutiny on the governor and are starting to roll out letting their people out. I don't think our governor has too many days left in him before the majority of counties are telling him to go tell it to a fencepost.
I’m currently in AZ and essential workers are air conditioning/swamp cooler repair...especially since the temps are set to hit 100 next week! Too hot too early! Our guy is coming to service ours on Friday.
I’m currently in AZ and essential workers are air conditioning/swamp cooler repair...especially since the temps are set to hit 100 next week! Too hot too early! Our guy is coming to service ours on Friday.
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Sprinkler guys are also essential workers here, just had one over installing a new system. The other one had a bunch of problems and now this one is running like a dream.
It's really interesting to watch the California counties declare mutiny. Ventura County now says go ahead groups of five can gather. This is a direct violation of the governor's order which allows no groups at all. Perhaps we are headed to civil war?
A whole lot of federal relief dollars are funneling through the state. I'd love to see Newsom tell the counties that violate shelter in place rules that they will be ineligible for any of that funding.
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Funny, you know what I was just saying to a friend? TRUMP would do that. But Newsom wouldn't, because he's a big fat pussy.
If you're going to lock up counties who have almost zero problems with the virus and are getting their lives destroyed over it for no damn reason, at least have the balls to stop them from doing what they're doing when they tell you to piss off and let their people out. He's really such a pansy, it's sad.
I am in full support of that as trees and landscaping that is not taken care of properly is dangerous and healthy.
Yeah, it's not like getting the Corona virus is dangerous and unhealthy. Gotta get that lawn mowed now!
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I'm sure the landscaping industry appreciates you brushing them off as "lawn mowers". Yes, that's the job. You're an idiot.
And I'm sure the hundreds of thousands of people who have been injured due to poorly maintain landscapes might have something to say about the essentialness of landscapers. Including Texas Governor Abbot, who was paralyzed due to a poorly maintained tree falling on him. Including the student who was killed at my college from a falling branch.
Go complain to Gavin Newsom. He was the one who said landscapers may work and are essential. And thank god, because it would have put a whole lot of people out of the job, including many illegal immigrants your lot loves so much who would have NO HELP if they got fired. Landscaping is one of the easiest professions to socially distance and be safe, too, so it's simply ridiculous to ban it, nonsensical, overkill.
You really want people to just have their lives absolutely destroyed for no reason. It's kind of sick. Is it a power thing? I'm trying to understand where your mind is at. Sure seems like it for our local mayor. He is just GIDDY when talking about how long we will have to do this. He's claiming 2021. It was such an insane claim even county officials had to contradict him.
Saving lives IS a damn reason. My county currently has less than 50 cases. It is a major tourist destination.
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You're not getting it. For jobs that involve social interaction, as many do, there is a fair argument that staying at home MAY save lives (although looking at Sweden, it seems it might not make a difference one way or the other). However, for largely solo professions where all you do is pull up with your equipment, do the job by yourself and leave, you are not "saving lives" by staying at home, please don't kid yourself. A gardener staying at home is not saving any lives and is just destroying himself and his family. Hence, NO GOOD REASON. Now take for example my job where I interact heavily with at least 30 people a day and lightly with 200-300. Yeah, okay, shutting down probably certainly did save lives. Fair enough.
It doesn't matter if your county has 50 cases or 10,000 cases. A landscaper going outside to trim trees is not getting COVID, period. There is no landscaper outbreak, there never was a landscaper outbreak, and there never will be a landscaper outbreak. Please stop being so damn militant about this. Let people out who are no risk, what is wrong with you? Man, people really are enjoying this and it's beyond sick.
San Luis Obispo County officials said this week they are planning to gradually lift restrictions and reopen businesses
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There she blows! Sorry Governor, you’ve lost control of your own people with your arbitrary shutdowns and no clear answer what numbers you want counties to have before they’re released. See ya.
The County REQUESTED PERMISSION from Newsom and he has not yet responded. If he denies their request and they do it anyway, THEN it would be reasonable to say he has lost control. Stating it now is yet another of your lies.
The statewide shutdown was not arbitrary. Just because you don't believe in the value of saving thousands of lives doesn't make his decision arbitrary by any definition of the word.
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Ventura already let their people out, he’s lost control. Too late.
The value of saving lives? So you believe a county should shut down who has no deaths and instead face: suicides, domestic violence, depression, lack of medical treatment for other serious diseases, financial ruin, child abuse, instead? Stop over simplifying the issues and pretending that there are no dire consequences to shutting down. For areas of the state and country that have low or no numbers you are walking a very fine tightrope there you won’t kill many more people from those issues than you ever would covid.
Every single day we weigh these questions. Every time you step into your car you risk killing yourself and others. You risk killing me. By your logic the solution is never drive. For counties with low to non existent numbers, it would be simply irresponsible not to weigh whether a shutdown is worse than what it seeks to prevent.
Free Ventura. Free San Luis Obispo. Free Orange. Free San Bernardino. Free Mono.
I'm sorry anonymous, but it seems many counties and states do not agree with you that lockdown is the only solution. Alaska is opening, Georgia is opening, Texas is opening, parts of California are opening. The numbers don't justify it anymore. The antibody study was damning to your case, proving that the death rate is MUCH lower than we thought.
Ventura County has far more registered Democrats than Republicans by about 10%, so it can't just be that only crazy right wingers want to open.
At a certain point we are going to have to talk reopening. COVID is not going away any time soon, and the curve has leveled in all of the USA. Time to rip the bandaid. At a certain point, the social consequences of lockdowns are grave, and growing graver by the day. If you are not comfortable, you are welcome to stay home.
There were even protests in Los Angeles today, a heavily far left city. The numbers aren't matching the admonishments.
Hey! I have a landscaper coming on Saturday and a gardener coming tomorrow... I’ll be inside.. no problem... I’m in Jersey where it’s pretty bad but just being careful... I’ve been exposed so many times I’m wondering if I’m just a symptomatic.. but they won’t test me... you just have to pick your battles. If I had any health issues I think I would be a lot more careful.. I just want a haircut and my nails done damn it!
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Spot on.
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Hey! I have a landscaper coming on Saturday and a gardener coming tomorrow... I’ll be inside.. no problem... I’m in Jersey where it’s pretty bad but just being careful... I’ve been exposed so many times I’m wondering if I’m just a symptomatic.. but they won’t test me... you just have to pick your battles. If I had any health issues I think I would be a lot more careful.. I just want a haircut and my nails done damn it!
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You can go to Alaska or Georgia and get a haircut.
Covid is here to stay until a cute. The curve has flattened. We now need to move to the next phase and unfortunately it involves taking on some risk. If someone is not comfortable with the risks everyone else is willing to do, stay home. It’s really not complicated.
Interesting...I was watching a Without A Crystal Ball video on YouTube, and it seems that TLC was planning to cancel Sister Wives after Season 11 due to falling ratings. The show had consistently gotten about 2.5 viewers on average, but in season 11 that dropped to 1.8 million. TLC wasn't willing to continue to pay them their usual salary ($180,000 per adult for a total of about $900,000 per season). Kody Brown agreed to accept just $180,000 total for the whole family to film season 12. Of course, that makes me wonder about Kate. We have long speculated that TLC was cutting the budget for her show because of declining ratings and because it was obvious from the episodes that they weren't spending a lot on filming. Kate was making $40K per episode right when the show came back, just after the two specials that averaged 2.1 million viewers. The numbers plummeted, and within a couple years dropped to under 1M--and stayed there. Judging by the Sister Wives thing, it does appear that TLC bases salary on viewership, so I don't think there is any way Kate was making anything even close to her 2014 salary. The episode "Green Thumb Gosselins", which aired in December of 2015, was the last episode to ever break 1M viewers.
All that makes me think--how low did her salary go? They went for a couple years without airing any shows (between the 3-episode season and K+D8), so TLC was just fine without her. She needed them more than they needed her. So how little was she willing to accept? And was her termination really due to Jon talking, or were they just done with her? I think they just decided it wasn't worth it anymore.
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And those in vulnerable categories just want to avoid a virus that could kill them. But of course your ability to get a haircut should be a priority.
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I’m close with my stylist and she needs to start working or her entire life and that of her child’s is going to collapse around her. Alaska is allowing stylists to cut hair, one person at a time in the salon. What is wrong with that? Nobody is going to get covid this way, and as my stylist pointed out, licensed practitioners already have extensive training in safety and disinfecting long before covid. They are well aware of best practices and are in as good a position as anyone to start getting back to normal.
The mistake made around the country is assuming a total shutdown was the only play we had. That’s simply not the case. There are Plenty of alternative solutions that are safe and reasonable. Governors want to do them and let their locked up people stop suffering. A month is long enough. The curve is flattened. Time to move to reopen. You all are killing the poor and middle class you claim to love so much. I always knew it was all bullshit and you’d sell them down the river the first chance you got. True colors are terrifying.
Orange county official: No indication counties with closed beaches have any lower rates of infection than open beaches. They've kept most of their beaches open, and the couple holdout cities in Orange, like San Clemente, are about to open theirs back up.
Math matters. Time to open.
We had our highest death rate ever today in California. 115. Stay at home was more than a month ago, anonymous, so you can’t say well those people caught it “before” anymore. What a colossal failure.
The beaches, anonymous, have been straight out closed in LA for most of stay at home, and open in almost all of Orange County. In fact I went to the beach twice during all this. Never got near a soul. Orange County is down to zero deaths a day and holding and barely any new cases. And don’t say it’s a population thing, they have four million people. If you can’t do the math on that I don’t know what to tell you. Beaches open or closed has absolutely no effect. It is what it is.
"Speaking to local news outlet WHAM, Brittany Jencik, of Penfield, said she was infected with the virus about five weeks ago but initially did not show any signs of the illness. By the time she did, 17 of her 18 children living with her had also been exposed, and the virus eventually sickened them as well."
"Safer" at home.
"Speaking to local news outlet WHAM, Brittany Jencik, of Penfield, said she was infected with the virus about five weeks ago but initially did not show any signs of the illness. By the time she did, 17 of her 18 children living with her had also been exposed, and the virus eventually sickened them as well."
"Safer" at home.
Just a thought, but...Maybe people they would have come in contact with we’re safer because they were at home and this women and her 17 kids were at home.
Just a thought, but...Maybe people they would have come in contact with we’re safer because they were at home and this women and her 17 kids were at home.
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Maybe, maybe not. They could have social distanced and not infected anyone at all. Sweden is wide open and there's no discernable difference. Either way, the country is moving on. Montana is back to school, the majoirty of states are opening at the end of April. Trump says he will not lock us up again. Show's over, time to find a different way to save lives without destorying lives in the process.
KFI local radio made a fantastic point yesterday. Isn't it just so easy for all our government officials to insist we must all be locked up forever, while they are still getting paid off all our tax dollars. When LA officials were asked if THEY would take paycuts and furloughs, most refused. I'm not sure you can really tell someone not to have a livelihood if you yourself are not willing to give up yours. Illinois's decision to lock people up until May 31 is frankly INSANE to be making this far away from that date. And I'm a person who is working and still getting paid. I still see the f-ed upness of it all for everyone who isn't. If you're in Illinois, find a friend or relative in another state and get out.
A mistake according to YOU, not according to the epidemiologists
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You mean the same epidemiologists whose models have been adjusted about 20 different times because they have been wildly wrong 20 different times? Sometimes off by MILLIONS of people?
Are these also the same people that completely screwed up the intitial rollout of testing at the CDC likely costing thousands of lives?
Yes, you're so right, listen to them. Or, better yet, lock them all up in jail for killing thousands.
Georgia's decision is highly irresponsible will cost lives. I have friends who live there and they are appalled.
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Even Trump doesn't like it, I guess you agree with Trump.
Admin it's been interesting following your covid-19 updates from CA.
I guess everyone isn’t staying home. And not practicing social distancing. The numbers would be a lot higher if there wasn’t a stay at home order
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Actually, they are tracking the movement via our phones nad traffic patterns, and Los Angeles showed the best compliance with stay at home of ALL of California. The mayor repeatedly praised L.A. for their good compliance. There is no evidence the numbers would be "a lot higher" without stay at home. None. You know why LA cases are soaring? Because we are a poor area, with the exception of a few celebrities, and poor people live 6, 7, 12 people to a home or more.
Counties like Orange who are much wealthier have rock bottom cases because it's just a family of 2-4 staying at home.
The reality is, people are spreading the virus among family members they are being told to lock up with. Even the experts now admit this. The same thing happened in Italy to devastated consequences.
As for people not wearing masks, the law in LA county is a facemake if you are going to INTERACT with others in public or at a business. If you aren't, you aren't required to wear one. I don't wear one when I go out to exercise because I can easily swirve far around people, and a mask when I'm poudning the pavement and it's 90 degrees right now would likely cause me to faint. I'm not violating any laws. I wear one when I go grocery shopping because the chances are high I will interact with others.
A group of cities in Stanislaus County sent Newsom a letter proposing some steps to loosen restrictions, saying “a reopening process that may fit, and make sense, for Los Angeles and our neighboring Bay Area regions does not work for our county. Stanislaus County is nothing like the regions of San Francisco or Los Angeles. “
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EXACTLY. My God, let those poor people out.
Handinhand, it's about to blow here. The governor's losing control, a lot of counties have every right to open and have the numbers to justify it. Pop the popcorn it's going to get crazy.
“Safer” at home:
Chris Cuomo’s teen son now has COVID-19: ‘The virus worked through the family’
Every day we hear about how we need to stay locked up indefinitely. But never a peep about how to address the incredibly disproportionate amount of cases in nursing homes. In some states half their deaths are from institutions.
It’s time to start living with the virus and opening low risk areas:
And there’s some tentative evidence that getting people outside keeps them safer from the novel coronavirus, too.
There’s still a lot we don’t know about the spread of the coronavirus. But some research suggests that most transmission happens indoors. One study from China (which has not yet been peer-reviewed) examined 318 outbreaks with three or more people across the country. Only one happened outdoors, and only two people got sick: Every outbreak with three or more cases happened indoors. A different study (also not peer-reviewed) in Japan found that “the odds that a primary case transmitted COVID-19 in a closed environment was 18.7 times greater compared to an open-air environment.
Just like parks and open spaces, beaches provide an important opportunity for people to stretch their legs, get fresh air and sunlight, and exercise. Amid the coronavirus outbreak, many states have cut off access to these areas in response to overcrowding. But it’s a better idea to figure out how to ration open spaces like beaches and parks so that people can use them safely. If a state has a way to make low-risk outdoor activity available, it should take advantage of it — while monitoring to make sure there are minimal negative impacts on public health. New data could change all of this, but right now beaches don’t look like a grossly unreasonable bet.
We’re looking at months — maybe more than a year — of dramatically changed life because of the coronavirus. During that time, we have a tough job ahead of us: figuring out which activities are low-risk enough to proceed cautiously, so that social distancing is sustainable for everyone and transmission rates remain low. That might mean opening sites like Florida’s beaches, and at the very least, it means that people elsewhere shouldn’t scorn Florida for considering it.
The case for outdoor spaces
Fresh air and exercise are good for you. Exercise and vitamin D have been shown to help protect against all kinds of illness, including respiratory illness; evidence from the 1918 flu pandemic suggests that treating flu patients outside rather than inside saves lives.”
Harvard experts say open up recreation areas including beaches:
Marc Lipsitch, who studies infectious disease at Harvard, has also argued that it’s important to let people go outside. “The benefits of getting outside vastly outweigh the risk of getting infected in a park,” he co-wrote (with Ned Friedman and Joseph Allen) in a Washington Post op-ed last week. Closing open spaces “should be a temporary, last-resort measure,” and whenever we can, we should prefer to have them open with social distancing.
Does that apply to Florida’s beaches, I asked him? “Yes,” Lipsitch wrote back in an email, “as long as people maintain distances.”
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox.com/platform/amp/future-perfect/2020/4/23/21231377/florida-beaches-reopening-coronavirus-social-distancing
I definitely agree about large open air outdoor spaces like parks and beaches. I also feel that people aren’t going to practice social distancing while doing it but hopefully they will. As for the water at the beach, I wouldn’t trust it. All those body fluids that you know are in there and people swallow and it goes in noses and mouths. Ugh.
Nursing homes. Yikes. I don’t think there is an answer for that. They have everything going against them. I think at this point it’s sadly about containment. Except you have the employees who go home to their families. Also, nursing homes also have nurses and nurses aides that visit their patients there (hospice usually) and then do in-home hospice are for other elderly. They stopped going to the nursing homes.
I also think a lot of elderly people are set in their ways. They don’t listen or want change. Both my parents are elderly and one has a nurse aide coming to the home.)
The nursing home situation is very, very sad, but I’m not sure what can be done about it. The elderly are at risk in their homes too, if they have outside care and obviously if they’re in a nursing home they need care.
I guess I don’t know what you’re suggesting Admin.
Yes, now Chris Cuomo’a som has it. The virus will work its way through family members living at home together. Once one has coronavirus it’s too late to prevent the spread in the house if they aren’t wearing masks and washing hands and disinfecting surfaces regularly. If one member is leaving the home then that member sure wear a mask in the home at all times except when in a separate room.
I think spread in the home is inevitable because people don’t self distance in the home if they aren’t showing symptoms. If you’ve all been locked up for a few weeks then that’s different, but if one of you is coming and going then the risk is there.
What is your suggestion? Chris Cuomo’s son (before he had symptoms) should have been coming and going when he knew he was home with his father who had it?
Maybe my issue with what you’re saying is you’re not saying what should be done. You just keep saying people are spreading it in their homes. So it’s not working. Please expand on that. I’m just not following your train of thought. You want them to go out? Where? Enclosed businesses? Restaurants? Business offices? Just wear masks and practice social distancing while going about your work day? I’m not saying NOT to do that. I’m asking you what exactly you are suggesting.
I’m not opposed to listening to other ideas.
As for school, my kids are not going back even if the state changes their mind. The risk, in my opinion, is too great right now. Teachers are still getting paid and children are still learning. I feel sorry for the parents that work from home and have kids at home or are just stay-at-home parents that can’t handle homeschooling their children. It’s a difficult time for sure.
I guess I don’t know what you’re suggesting Admin.
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1. That our devoted reliance on "experts" has resulted in some cases disasterous consequences. That our reliance on without a doubt for most politicians seriously well-meaning regulations, has actually made many people sick and killed many more. That after the models and predictions and advisements have changed so much over the past few weeks, there should be little to no public confidence in anything told to us by "experts" who frankly at this point are just guessing. That our experts should be more honest with us that they are merely taking educated guesses with this, and that they have been proven wrong too many times to count. (20 million dead Californians anyone?) That the current numbers right now do not even begin to prove that staying at home is effective and in many cases tends to cast doubt on it.
For instance, if Chris Cuomo's son was is 14 was allowed to spend a lot more time outside the house, while still maintaining social distancing, he might never have gotten sick. By his uncle shuttering him inside his house with someone very ill, he got sick. And so did his mother.
2. That the evidence is overwhelming that moving to a much different strategy of dealing with this virus is warranted and has proved to be very successful abroad and no reason to think it would not be so here. An open economy with strict alterations--social distancing, reservations, limits on numbers, stricter guidelines for the ill and elderly, etc.
This way, people can stay safe from the disease while not having their entire lives destroyed in the process. We made a huge mistake here, we assumed that the only way to save lives was to stay at home.
Nursing homes. Yikes. I don’t think there is an answer for that. They have everything going against them. I think at this point it’s sadly about containment. E
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Oh, there's so much more we can do on that front.
The big thing is setting up 15-minute quick tests for all staff and daily for residents. That way you don't even step foot into the facility until we know you're COVID-free. Stricter protective equipment would also help.
This should be the first question out of every reporter's mouth, what are we doing to protect our institutions? But in this country, we tend to discard this group.
The reality is, people are spreading the virus among family members they are being told to lock up with. Even the experts now admit this. The same thing happened in Italy to devastated consequences.
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And there’s the rub. Even if they’re not “locked up” with the family 24/7, at the end of the day, and in most cases, they’re still going to go home to that family. If someone in the family has it they’re probably still going to spread it through the family - just like the flu and just like a cold. If they’re asymptotic they may be spreading it around at work, at the gym, at the beach especially if they’re not practicing social distancing or cleaning the exercise machines when they’re done on them (many people don’t).
I’m all for going out and getting fresh air and a little sun BUT I won’t be going anywhere where groups of people are gathering. We walk our bulldog around the neighborhood. We stopped walking him in the park because people don’t know how to social distance when they want to pat your bulldog and kids don’t understand no, please don’t. I don’t wear a mask when walking him in the neighborhood because everyone seems to be practicing social distancing and we all just say hello from opposite sides of the street. I do wear a mask when I go to a store and I really am kind of shocked by the amount of younger people that don’t. We don’t stay in the house all the time because we’ve got a large yard and can spend time outside. But we do stay home.
Although we’re in AZ now on an Army move I grew up on the Jersey shore and even in our small town (Ocean Grove) the beach gets really crowded (REALLY crowded!) especially on the weekends when the benny’s show up and most of them are from NY and PA.
I’m sorry, but my husband has a partially paralyzed diaphragm and type 2 diabetes and it’s just not worth the risk for us. I think Chris Cuomo’s son probably would have still gotten sick even if he was spending more time outside because you have to go in at some point and the germs will be there. JMO.
Saw some kids and their dad getting out for some exercise on my road today (quiet country road). Besides the obvious exercise and fresh air they were cleaning up trash along the road. Great idea!
Our county had its first case this week. Not heavily populated county but still a worry but we are doing everything we can to stay home. (Painting, crocheting, etc.
BAW, as you would say. Just drink Lysol. Or inject it.
Get the sunshine IN your body. If you really wanted to eradicate this, you'd do what Dear Leader says.
And he is in YOUR lot.
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Nice little media story there but the actual quote bears no resemblance to the headline.
Do you disagree that all of the models and experts have been wildly wrong? Sometimes on a weekly basis? ALL of them.
I am not willing to take the risk or put others at possible risk by discontinuing self isolating. I have been reading about the frightening effects of covid19 on many, from those who survive but need a leg amputated, permanent damage to lungs or other organs (permanent!), strokes in people with what seems a mild case of the virus, and on and on. You, Admin, may be willing to take such risks with your health. I am not. I am also unwilling to take such risks with the lives of others, or to disrespect the sacrifices our essential workers have already made. Finally, I am a resident of California. Our Governor is doing a fine job and has broad support across the state. For the posters here who live elsewhere, I assure you, Gov. Newsom is not "losing control" in terms of public approval.
I doubt this comment will get approved, because it doesn't fit Admin's narrative.
One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, BY INJECTION INSIDE or almost a cleaning?"
Direct quote.
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I heard the exact quote. I know the concept of an analogy is a pretty advanced one, but he was merely speculating whether there could be a treatment that wipes the body of the virus in the same way Lysol wipes it from counters. Given that that is indeed how many treatments for disease do work, I really don’t understand the pearl clutching. I can only assume you think Americans must be really, really stupid to think someone actually should inject Lysol into them. I was embarrassed for you over this ridiculous story And given Trump who usually doubles down on what he says clarified they was NOT what he meant, this is so beyond much ado about nothing.
Now let’s have you address NYC opening up. I thought you wanted everyone locked up until 2022. It’s not happening, sorry.
Let’s pretend for a second that Trump was indeed being sarcastic as he claims (NOTE: He was not and if you believe he was, you are dumb) who in the hell thinks being sarcastic during a daily press briefing during a pandemic is a good idea?
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At least he stands up there for two hours every day and takes every single question from reporters until they have nothing else to ask. Yea right like anyone else would be ballsy enough to do that.
Which is more than can be said of our governor in ca who is enjoying his new dictator role, has suspended his legislature and whose Far reaching proclamations go completely without any checks, very few questions ever allowed and limited science referenced.
The Trump press briefings after the first several minutes sometimes divulge into less than helpful yammering, from all sides including the reporters. That’s when most media drop out, that’s where I drop out. You also can drop out. But you’re not going to convince me it’s any different than all he other political yammering going on from Cuomo, his mentally unstable brother, Biden in his basement blathering about essentially doing almost exactly the same things that Trump is doing for COVID if he were president (he never will be) and Newsom and on down. The fact that Newsom yammers “prettier” than Trump with his lean in and meet the moment catch phrases that mean Absolutely nothing, doesn’t make him superior.
I will take someone who is being real and not bullshitting me Any day over the week over somebody telling me to lean in. You can lean right into my fist and I’ll rearrange your face.
If you’d like to know how newsomes volunteer program is going I signed up for within minutes of him announcing it I’d love to tell you what a joke it all is. I haven’t gotten a single opportunity to volunteer since. Instead so far I’ve been told to go out there and post flyers. Huh? With what printer? I’m stuck at home. If this were trumps program he would be blasted.
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One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, BY INJECTION INSIDE or almost a cleaning?"
Direct quote.
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I heard the exact quote. I know the concept of an analogy is a pretty advanced one, but he was merely speculating whether there could be a treatment that wipes the body of the virus in the same way Lysol wipes it from counters. Given that that is indeed how many treatments for disease do work, I really don’t understand the pearl clutching. I can only assume you think Americans must be really, really stupid to think someone actually should inject Lysol into them. I was embarrassed for you over this ridiculous story And given Trump who usually doubles down on what he says clarified they was NOT what he meant, this is so beyond much ado about nothing.
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LOL apparently the concept of an analogy is too advanced for the Idiot-In-Chief, because he didn't know he was making one. His excuse was that he was being sarcastic.
And I for one do think there is a segment of the population stupid enough to inject Lysol.
In NJ almost half the cases are from a jewish community about 45 minutes from my house.. the are constantly having celebrations and weddings.. they’ve been arrested, fined, threatened but they don’t listen... people are attacking them when they see them in public .. they are orthodox so they’re easy to spot...I’ve been there a couple of times and when they see someone who looks like me ( fair and blond) you are treated like shit.. they’re killing their community off ... morons
In NJ almost half the cases are from a jewish community about 45 minutes from my house.. the are constantly having celebrations and weddings.. they’ve been arrested, fined, threatened but they don’t listen... people are attacking them when they see them in public .. they are orthodox so they’re easy to spot...I’ve been there a couple of times and when they see someone who looks like me ( fair and blond) you are treated like shit.. they’re killing their community off ... morons
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LA has the same exact problem and officials initially admitted that huge clusters were coming from the west side and then i guess the PC police got to them because they stopped mentioning it anymore. But the geographic maps don’t lie, huge clusters of cases are concentrated in heavily Jewish areas like Valley Village.
Ah, how nice to end the weekend with a healthy dose of anti-Semitis
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Oh get over yourself. I stand with Israel, unlike most of my liberal friends who would be happy to throw that country in the trash. Disgusting. Most all my friends are Jewish since they’re mostly all lawyers. Demographics are important to understand the spread of the virus. It was certainly not all related to testing, it was directly related to multiple families in the same home as many Jewish communities culturally live. It was also repeated to as was said a defiance of the regulations. That’s simply the facts. There were many pockets of wealth in LA that had testing available showing no such spike in cases. It’s also important to containment to understand the disproportionatality of the spread in particular the African American community. UnfortunateLy because of PC scolds like you they stopped providing this information, you bullied them into shutting up.
Stop with the lectures. You don’t hold the rule book on what’s appropriate to say.
And from the desk of “safer” at home, another dem acknowledges the serious consequences: Gov. Andrew Cuomo said New York state has seen a rise in domestic violence, alcoholism, drug use and demands for mental health treatment.
And from the desk of “safer” at home, another dem acknowledges the serious consequences: Gov. Andrew Cuomo said New York state has seen a rise in domestic violence, alcoholism, drug use and demands for mental health treatment.
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And this proves what exactly? Not sure where you're headed on this one, but domestic violence is a democratic problem? Or democrats are enabling domestic violence? Why does everything have to been seen through a political lens? I have one: Republican governors see serious consequences as they open their states, with a rise in covid-19 cases and deaths.
Believe what you want to believe. Stay at home or go out. Your president is a stable genius or an imbecile. Whatever. We all live together in a supposed civil society. It sucks for everyone and everyone's life has been upended. Yes, it will take years to recover economically for everyone, but a society is only as good as how it treats it's most vulnerable, not what is only good for the individual - that just makes that person as asshole.
Believe what you want to believe. Stay at home or go out. Your president is a stable genius or an imbecile. Whatever. We all live together in a supposed civil society. It sucks for everyone and everyone's life has been upended. Yes, it will take years to recover economically for everyone, but a society is only as good as how it treats it's most vulnerable, not what is only good for the individual - that just makes that person as asshole.
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Almost EVERYONE wants to protect the vulnerable, but there is an incredible amount of disagreement about how to do so.
People who are out of work are also vulnerable, kids who can't go to school are extremely vulnerable, and I think almost everyone but a few nutjobs understand that we can only keep this up for maybe a few more weeks, maybe a month, before society as we know it is going to crumble. Some people also happen to think that those in DV situations or on the brink of suicide are also "vulnerable."
Unfortunately, we're going to have to find ways to protect the vulnerable that doesn't involve everyone staying inside our homes until a vaccine which makes THEM vulnerable to other things. For instance, allowing the young and healthy to start working while still maintaining social distancing, while the older and ill stay inside. This is the direction the majority of the country is going over the next few weeks, even New York. The majority of governors understand it's time to be let out and are doing so, even California is gearing up for it. It is what it is.
Texas is taking a personal responsibility approach, imagine that. If you want to stay inside because you're at high risk, by all means, stay inside.
Uh oh, Governor Newsom isn't so well liked around these parts. ONE ICU patient. ONE!:
The latest request to Newsom comes from elected officials in Butte, Glenn, Tehama, Yuba, Sutter and Colusa counties in Northern California. They say that cases and deaths in the region appear to have stabilized and that the stay-at-home order should be modified in those areas to help restart the economy. They said that as of Friday, there was only one coronavirus patient in the intensive care unit at local hospitals.
And? Your post was still anti-Semitic. Your inability to differentiate between one small segment of the Jewish community and Jews in general demonstrates that. Have you told all your Jewish friends that their people are to blame for the spread of the coronavirus?
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In no way did I imply ALL Jewish communities are spreading COVID, and in no way was anyone "blamed" for spreading COVID. And even if every single case of COVID involved a Jewish community, they still shouldn't be blamed. This is a DISEASE, people are just trying to live their lives and this is not any private American's "fault."
It's your lot who wants to shame and scold people for just trying to live.
Texas is opening. Thank God that's where I am right now.
Please stay there. California won't miss you. So much for being an essential worker forced to go into court regularly and risk your life, huh? I guess you're not that essential after all. How will the system survive in your absence?
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We moved all our court hearings to webex which can be done from anywhere, they could be done from Australia. If you paid attention to the news, you would have heard this, it was all over the news. They're asking only judges, court reporters and clerks to come in. Still an essential worker, who works in a state smart enough to figure out how to keep some their essential workers at home and not spread the disease even more than it already has. You're welcome.
The Jewish community THEMSELVES were talking ad nauseam about the spread among Jewish communities.
African-Americans THEMSELVES are talking about the spread among African-Americans.
Try to put your smug PC hat aside for one second and focus on some really serious issues. Ignoring race, demographics, religion, disproportionality in this epidemic serves no one but your smug "I don't see color" arrogance.
LA has made a lot of mental health services free right now, please take advantage. This pandemic is clearly very much affecting your stability and well-being and I hate to see anyone suffer even a troll.
I will be interested to know how many people file for personal bankruptcy and small businesses file for bankruptcy after this mess is over. It doesn’t matter how healthy you are physically if your financial health is dead in the water.
I will be interested to know how many people file for personal bankruptcy and small businesses file for bankruptcy after this mess is over. It doesn’t matter how healthy you are physically if your financial health is dead in the water.
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And that's what the sane ones of the governors are saying. Like almost everything risky in the world you can't take the risk down to zero, so at a certain point you've got to get the risk at a certain point and then open up. Just like how Texas is doing it, if you're at high risk STAY HOME. If you're not at high risk go out, or stay home, it's up to you. This makes so much more sense.
Conversely, it doesn't matter how big your bank account is (except to those inheriting your estate) if you're dead.
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People who are still in their prime working years are extremely unlikely to die or even get terribly sick from it. I know five people who has it all in their 30s-50s and all recovered completely. Poverty kills families all the time, conversely. One is far more likely to die from the side effects of poverty such as from suicide or poor health than they are from covid.
States are opening and there’s nothing you can do about it. You’re scared. It’s okay. Stay home if you’re scared, it’s a free country, or used to be.
The death rate among those who were sickened by COVID was roughly 0.03% for people in their 20s; 0.08% for people in their 30s; 0.16% for people in their 40s; 0.6% for people in their 50s
In contrast 1.5 million Americans attempt suicide every year and about 40,000 are successful. I contrast, about 9,000 Americans under 55 have died from covid.
Do the math, if you’re young, you’re at much higher risk of suicide than covid. Facts matter. Let these people back to work. The vulnerable can isolate all they want.
I have lived in TX my whole life. The governor did reopen the state but only in a small capacity. Malls, restaurants, retail, movie theaters, churches and a few other venues but no hair salons, nail care or gyms and no bars. And for those that can open they can only have 25% of the capacity of any place opening. This was Phase I, Phase 2 will be in 2 weeks and as long as the cases don't start growing, all the places can start 50% capacity. It's going to be crazy to see what happens. So, I'm just staying home and going out for groceries when necessary, walking and social distancing at all times.
I have lived in TX my whole life. The governor did reopen the state but only in a small capacity. Malls, restaurants, retail, movie theaters, churches and a few other venues but no hair salons, nail care or gyms and no bars. And for those that can open they can only have 25% of the capacity of any place opening. This was Phase I, Phase 2 will be in 2 weeks and as long as the cases don't start growing, all the places can start 50% capacity. It's going to be crazy to see what happens. So, I'm just staying home and going out for groceries when necessary, walking and social distancing at all times
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He is a thoughtful and diligent man and a true leader. Texas has handling this crisis with incredible strength and smarts. I hope we are back here in two weeks saying that went amazing well and is a model for other states ready to open. One amendment to your correct description, counties below certain numbers are allowed to open to 50 percent. Even 25 or 50 percent can be the difference between someone being able to save their business and survive.
Accidental poisonings of children have skyrocketed this month. They are home all the time and their parents are using more cleaning products. “Safer” at home sure came with a host of unintended consequences (most foreseeable by anyone with a brain)
It's not just about YOU and people your age. Yes, let's keep spreading this so the vulnerable never feel comfortable leaving their homes again. Please...you don't give a flying fuck about the vulnerable.
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It's not just about people over 65 either, you selfish cow. It's a BALANCE. And I don't know a single person over 65 who still wants all the young to isolate. I am in a retirement community right now where I am staying, and everyone is in support of the new orders in Texas. Believe it or not most people are not selfish, they have children and grandchildren, and would like to see their lives returned back to them even if they are still sheltering.
And it's not a fixed pie. We can do both. The young and strong can be permitted to reenter society with precautions, while the old and vulnerable remain sheltered. This is not selfish, this is what many countries and states have been doing. And since sheltering in place WITH someone elderly is extremely dangerous, this plan is likely going to end up resulting in less deaths, not more, as it gets people out and away from the people they are infecting.
Governors are letting people out, whether you like it or not. Dr. Birx approved Texas's plan, whether you like it or not. The elderly are still being asked to shelter in place. Both groups of people are protected. Thankfully, this is not up to you.
Before you claimed that you knew several people who had died.
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No changing stories. Three people in my office died. My office is very large as it's a government agency. They were all older.
Five people I personally know got it and recovered fine. They were all under 50 and healthy. Two of them I was around all the time--I never got it.
It is what it is. The young and healthy have a minuscule chance of dying. The older also have a minuscule chance of dying, but it's higher than the young.
LOL, it's about time LA figured out WebEx. I'm sorry I haven't kept up on the vital news impacting YOUR world. I'm surprised that you are in favor of such a move since it means those who formerly had to leave their houses for work will now spend more time at home and infect their families, because of course that never would have happened without shelter in place orders. Suddenly the state is "smart"?
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About time? Huh? We were doing webex in pilot courtrooms within a week and full throttle within about three weeks. I don't know any other county able to roll out such a program from scratch that quickly. We were praised by various state officials for our quick rollout.
The reason we really didn't WANT to do webex is it meant the parties, the accused, were at a severe disadvantage, many of them not able to get on or if they could unable to particpate in the same way they would in a real courtroom.
I'm fine with doing webex until cases go down in LA more because on balance our crowded courtrooms outweigh the risk of staying at home. However, it is an imperfect solution and severely stomps on people's rights. If YOU were being falsely accused, would you just want to hop on webex to have your fate decided on your iffy internet connection with the sound cutting out and the video not working, or would you want a real courtroom to stand in? Be honest.
No one ever talks about people's rights being stomped upon, including you. Kind of surprising for someone who claims to be oh so enlightened about the poor and minorities. News flash, they don't have internet connections or phones. Without that, you can't get on web ex, and have to let a bunch of privileged attorneys decide your fate while you sit in the dark.
Lovely system huh? "Safer" at home.
For the posters here who live elsewhere, I assure you, Gov. Newsom is not "losing control" in terms of public approval.
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Ha, oh yeah he is. Big time. Counties are now banding together and he just got sued again. It's embarrassing how fractured he has left California, and it's embarrassing his inability to distinguish between LA and Santa Clara versus everyone else.
You can continue to self isolate, and you can continue to be sacred, that's up to you. It's a free country, or was. But please don't impose your paranoia on those of us who need to get back to work.
Wow, someone is really butt-hurt lately! Yeah, I'm talking to you, troll. How about this--everyone try to do what's best for themselves and others. If you're sick, quarantine. If you're high-risk, isolate as much as you feel is necessary. If you're ready to get back out there, then be mindful of the others around you. That's all we need to do. And, in case someone thought Trump's musings were a direct order, might I add--don't drink or ingest Lysol or Clorox. There, wasn't that easy? Let's all get on with life as best we can.
OT and sad news, but Desi is sicker than we ever could have imagined. She's been poked and prodded and scanned over and over, with no explanation for why she isn't doing well. We thought she was getting better, and then--she wasn't. And when she vomited blood all over the kitchen floor, the doctors finally figured out what she has--immune mediated thrombocytopenia (ITP). Her platelet count was zero and she was bleeding into her abdomen. She's having her second blood transfusion today. Pray for my baby.
From Dmasy.
Layla, I am sorry to hear about Desi. It sounds very serious. Please keep us updated.
We took our little girl to the vet this am. They kept her. She stopped eating yesterday. Major symptom for our foodie! She is dehydrated now. She will 12 and has these spells. She has recovered in the past.
Even though Texas is beginning to open up select business, the veterinarian clinic still requires us to pull up outside and they came out and got Annie.
So far, all we know is that she has some blood in her stool.
Worrisome.
Dmasy,
You know I'm praying for your Annie. It's awful to see your baby hurting and to not be able to help. Our vet and emergency vet are the same--you have to pull up and wait for someone to come and get your pet. No "outside" anything, not even a leash. We drove Desi there with her favorite pillow and blankie--she loves shearling--and couldn't drop them off with her, even though we knew they would be such a comfort to her. The look on her face as they led her away made me cry.
I just got a call with some good news--scans showed no bleeding into her lungs or brain. Those are the most dire cases, and they expected to see that in her because of her platelet count. She's still in very bad shape, but we'll take any glimmer of hope we can get. Please keep us informed about your Annie, and I'll do the same with Desi.
Layla I'm so sorry to hear about Desi. Knowing our pet is suffering, losing our beloved pet....is so excruciating. But what wonderful care you are giving her. That's all we can do.You have my thoughts and prayers.
M.
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