Jon has given an interview during the pandemic about what he is up to, and it turns out he's an essential worker, doing IT for a hospital.
As for Kate? Well, Jon is wondering as much as us why she doesn't using her nursing license, which is still current, to help. "There's people dying in need," Jon told The Sun.
As for their ongoing custody battle, he says the judge has now left it up to the children where they want to live, given their ages. Their next court date (like court dates for most of the country with pending court cases) has been set very far out.
https://www.the-sun.com/entertainment/734984/jon-gosselin-kate-registered-nurse-slams-not-working-pandemic/
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I wouldn't put it past her.
https://www.vulture.com/article/90-day-fiance-tlc-reality-tv-franchise-success.html#_ga=2.246607236.1809789061.1598627181-1261622335.1590159041
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I've never watched a moment of 90 day but a lot of girlfriends are big fans. I think part of the appeal is that it's cool girls water cooler programming. You want to discuss a show like this with your girlfriends. A show about spoiled twins choosing their colleges isn't something you jump to text a girlfriend about.
It's been interesting to watch TLC's grand success in recent years as they've gradually shifted away from flagships like the Duggars and transitioned to more adult relationship type programming versus dirty diapers. I wouldn't say any of these programs are terribly good for your intelligence, but I'm glad they've found success this way, and less so off little children.
It's a relief to see that TLC is finding such success with programming that doesn't revolve around children. The overwhelmed-parents-with-too-many-kids thing got old long ago. They do have a new show with a family with multiple sets of multiples, and it doesn't seem to be doing very well. People are over it.
I think the reason K+8 failed so miserably both times is because it lacked adult interaction. J&K had two adults struggling to work through parenting and relationship issues. K+8 was one parent complaining non-stop about her (very well-behaved) kids while enjoying an endless string of vacations, shopping sprees, over-the-top parties, and home improvements. Boring and unrelatable. Some viewers hung in there, waiting for the day that Kate was faced with 8 teenagers. That never happened. She banished C long before he became a teenager, so she never spent a single day struggling to manage 8 teenagers.
I don't think any of the G kids are truly interested in future filming. Mady started her YT channel, and only did one video. Maybe she lost interest. Maybe, once the film crew were gone, she didn't want to do the real work herself (she's Kate's daughter!). There's a reason the kids believed that they needed to film to survive. If they were willing and eager to film, they wouldn't need to be told something like that.
https://www.tvshowsace.com/2020/08/30/jon-gosselins-son-collin-hits-a-growth-spurt-stands-taller-than-colleen-conrad/
Jon and family went to Florida.
Colleen has some pictures up on her IG of Jon and the two that live with them. They all look very happy, healthy and the kids look very mature.
Mady dabbled in this and that on social media but never kept up with any of it. She really seems to lose interest as quickly her mother. I wonder if the twins have gone back to college or if they’re doing remote classes. The twins will be 20 in October.
ncgirl (#4), but...but...didn't TFW imply the kids would never get to go anywhere without the show? That they would just be, as Mady said, "staring at the 4 walls?"
Oh, wait. That was just a company line. C was lucky enough to not have his contract renewed by the headmistress at Ms. Gosselin's Home for Exploited Children. So he is now free to live a life where vacations can be saved up for and then taken without a dozen crew members within arm's length at every waking moment. And even better than all the vacations in the world is that C is finally experiencing a mother's love.
Well I liken it to this: she did it to...HERSELF.
Kate didn't have a job to go back to. Kate bought more house I think than she could chew. IN the middle of nowhere. Kate treated filming as a career and not an eventual collapse. Kate put the children in probably an expensive private school, instead of a decent public school. Kate chose to film the children and sounded more and more against Jon's wishes. Kate, Kate and oh, yeah, Kate.
So, now, Kate has to deal with the reality of not only her choices but what her choices have put upon her children. Can she afford her choices? What is she going to do with the rest of her life? Is she really going to sit at home while her kids age out of school? That's a stupid plan.
Where is she going to travel to now? Not that you I suppose can't take a few small trips if careful.
She said it once, "Holy Cow, I'm unemployed," No honey, reality television wasn't a JOB. A a job is something you go to and get promoted at and you bring home a paycheck because you earned it with skills not because you sat on your butt and talked to a camera that filmed you--that's a movie star who has talent--what you did was get lucky. You did have a job once, remember that? Nursing.
Who’s the nut job on her IG saying Collin is in serious trouble
I have to ponder now, how long it's been, if really being actually unemployed has bothered Kate?
I know I would be outside of my own mind. You know, if I still had school age children, or even in college age children to provide for, a mortgage to still being paying on, such a big house, bills to be paid and no job to speak of. I'd be flipping out!
Normal people in said situation every day would be. But I ponder as I said if she's at all feeling that weight.
Nice article on US Weekly’s website about how well Collin is doing. So happy for him.
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Supposedly Collin made a post recently about Jon hitting him. He could have possibly been hacked. Who knows for sure. Everyone on his IG was concerned for him. The post has been since deleted. But a few media outlets picked it up.
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https://perezhilton.com/jon-gosselin-son-collin-gosselin-accusation-fight-attack-deleted-instagram/
What up with California and that disgusting bill they passed... have they lost their minds? Pedophile country out there
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I'm not exactly sure why the media is painting it that way. All the bill does is the following:
(2) Notwithstanding paragraph (1), a person convicted of a violation of subdivision (b) of Section 286, subdivision (b) of Section 287, or subdivision (h) or (i) of Section 289 shall not be required to register if, at the time of the offense, the person is not more than 10 years older than the minor, as measured from the minor’s date of birth to the person’s date of birth, and the conviction is the only one requiring the person to register.
So if you are 25 and your victim was 16, and that's your ONLY offense, you might not have to register.
I don't agree with loosening restrictions on pedophiles. I also don't agree that a 19 year old should have his life ruined because his girlfriend is 17 and 3/4.
All that said, a whole lot of very dangerous people are being released from prison during COVID in CA and other states, and in North Carolina someone was even murdered as a result. Outrageous.
I have to ponder now, how long it's been, if really being actually unemployed has bothered Kate?
I know I would be outside of my own mind.
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Same-sies.
I consider it a sign of depression that someone her age really has NOTHING going on, no purpose. No employment, no charity, no direction.
The Daily Mail Online has a new story about Collin and how well he is doing since he has been living with Jon and Colleen.
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I consider it a sign of depression that someone her age really has NOTHING going on, no purpose. No employment, no charity, no direction.
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Agreed! Kate spent her whole adult life trying to get herself on TV--and then trying to stay there. She engineered her two sets of multiples, marketed them relentlessly, and planned to make herself rich and famous off them. Well, she succeeded, but those days are long past. She seems to think that if she can't film, then she won't do anything. Does she really have enough money saved up to support herself for the rest of her life? If not, then does she plan to do anything about it? Hoping for yet anther chance to be on TV is just not realistic. TLC gave her a second chance to "hit it out of the ballpark" and she ended up failing even more spectacularly than she did the first time.
I wonder how the kids remaining with Kate feel when (if) they see pictures of H&C going on fun vacations with Jon. Without cameras! Does it cause resentment? Envy? Do they maybe wonder whether it really is possible to travel and have a nice lifestyle without a show? I hope they're starting to think for themselves and realizing that there is a life without filming, and what Kate led them to believe was wrong.
Are you saying an 18 year old can have sex with an eight year old? That’s what I’m hearing in the other coast
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The way I read it, and it directs you to a whole lot of subdivisions which can get confusing, no. From what I understand reading it carefully, this really only applies to MISDEMEANOR sexual abuse, and I don't think the CA penal code allows any kind of sexual penetration as a misdemeanor. It's a felony, period.
Misdemeanor sexual abuse in CA is lesser offenses or mitigating circumstances. I heard someone say a 22 year old who flashed a 14 year old might get misdemeanor sexual abuse for that and might have to register, but under this law, wouldn't have to register as a sex offender.
Oddly enough this law has been circulating the legislature for years now and still has not become law, somehow only now got attention . Probably because everyone hates CA and is grabbing onto anything outrageous to exploit (and should, but they should make sure they understand what they're talking about first)
So, no first-day-of-school pics. I wonder if that's because they're doing it someplace without uniforms this year. You know it's not because she's decided to home-school them, LOL.
Believe me I have nothing going on either but I have a purpose... my family.. my husband walked out on us 4 years ago and I was left with a big house and a lot of kids... maybe she has “people “ but I do everything myself... there’s not enough time in the day. I know she has different circumstance but I just try to get through the day...I work my butt off... I wish I had something going on
Apparently the Kardashians are ending their show after 20 seasons. It's being reported that it is their decision, but their ratings have been declining for awhile now and I don't see them accepting reduced paychecks. I suspect their demands were rejected and that fueled their decision. What does this mean for the future of reality TV? Are people finally over it all? We can only hope.
The way I read it, and it directs you to a whole lot of subdivisions which can get confusing, no. From what I understand reading it carefully, this really only applies to MISDEMEANOR sexual abuse, and I don't think the CA penal code allows any kind of sexual penetration as a misdemeanor. It's a felony, period.
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That is not correct.
https://california.public.law/codes/ca_penal_code_section_261.5
California Penal Code
Sec. 261.5
Unlawful sexual intercourse is an act of sexual intercourse accomplished with a person who is not the spouse of the perpetrator, if the person is a minor. For the purposes of this section, a “minor” is a person under the age of 18 years and an “adult” is a person who is at least 18 years of age.
(b)Any person who engages in an act of unlawful sexual intercourse with a minor who is not more than three years older or three years younger than the perpetrator, is guilty of a misdemeanor.
(c)Any person who engages in an act of unlawful sexual intercourse with a minor who is more than three years younger than the perpetrator is guilty of either a misdemeanor or a felony, and shall be punished by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year, or by imprisonment pursuant to subdivision (h) of Section 1170.
The way I read it, and it directs you to a whole lot of subdivisions which can get confusing, no. From what I understand reading it carefully, this really only applies to MISDEMEANOR sexual abuse, and I don't think the CA penal code allows any kind of sexual penetration as a misdemeanor. It's a felony, period.
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That is not correct.
https://california.public.law/codes/ca_penal_code_section_261.5
California Penal Code
Sec. 261.5
Unlawful sexual intercourse is an act of sexual intercourse accomplished with a person who is not the spouse of the perpetrator, if the person is a minor. For the purposes of this section, a “minor” is a person under the age of 18 years and an “adult” is a person who is at least 18 years of age.
(b)Any person who engages in an act of unlawful sexual intercourse with a minor who is not more than three years older or three years younger than the perpetrator, is guilty of a misdemeanor.
(c)Any person who engages in an act of unlawful sexual intercourse with a minor who is more than three years younger than the perpetrator is guilty of either a misdemeanor or a felony, and shall be punished by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year, or by imprisonment pursuant to subdivision (h) of Section 1170.
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So basically there are some misdemeanor sexual abuse but with mitigation. In other words a 19 year old with a 17 year old. I don't prosecute sexual offenses criminally. Only civilly, which is a LOT easier.
In any case, I don't think the intent behind the law, which has not been passed yet, is to allow a 20 year old to rape a 10 year old.
So Mady's got a link on her IG to a site where she's selling her clothes? Seriously? This apple apparently never detached from the tree. Are the fully funded college trusts not stretching as far as anticipated? Things that make you go hmmm.
https://www.depop.com/madyka/
Used clothes during coronavirus? Ew.
@21... didn’t Kate sell their clothes after shooting... that’s why she didn’t want them to get dirty.... like mother like daughter
Maybe Kate had been selling Mady's used clothing all along, and Mady has decided she's going to do it herself and keep the money. Mady and Cara probably made a decent amount of money from appearing on the dating show--they were adults and could therefore negotiate their own pay--but now there's no more filming income pouring in. She's probably looking for another stream of revenue, and selling her used clothing could bring in a few bucks. Mady strikes me as a girl who would really enjoy being a trust-fund kid, and it's possible her trust fund isn't that much, especially with college expenses. I don't fault her--especially if it means Kate can't sell her things and pocket the money.
People magazine has an article about Collin being abused by Jon. I personally don't believe it. It says Collin called the cops because Jon beat him and the police alerted Kate to the abuse allegation. Jon supposedly hit him in the face and gave him a swollen nose and then when he was on the ground was kicking him. Of course Kate says she will not allow anyone to hit her her kids or abuse them. I guess when she would beat them to an inch of their lives when they were toddlers was OK. She admitted this is in one of her books. Pictures of her spanking one of the little girls for blowing a whistle outside, but that is fine. If he was hurt that bad wouldn't he have been removed from the home?
The Daily Mail Online has an article on the People story mentioned above by "foxy" @ 25.
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Looks like Kate went right to People Magazine to "threaten" Jon, saying "enough is enough". Couldn't their attorneys help resolve this issue or even Child Protective Services? But People Mag.?
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https://people.com/tv/kate-gosselin-son-collin-gosselin-accuses-dad-jon-gosselin-physical-abuse-investigation/
This is an article about the alleged abuse. It seems Colin had a meltdown and then abuse occurred. Nobody's been charged. Of course Kate was quick to comment. It was rumored Colin being violent was the reason Kate sent him away. I just hope there's a good resolution.
So…does Kate want Collin back?
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People magazine has an article about Collin being abused by Jon.
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Unbelievable. Sanctimonious TFW just had to run to People magazine to spew her garbage. It's the top story at People, an "exclusive":
Kate Gosselin's Son Collin Accuses Dad Jon Gosselin of Physical Abuse, Prompting Investigation
A child abuse investigation has been launched following an incident involving 16-year-old Collin Gosselin, who later accused his father Jon Gosselin of punching and kicking him.
PEOPLE confirms that the County of Berks, Pennsylvania Child & Youth Services has notified Collin's mom, Kate Gosselin, of an open investigation into an alleged violent incident between Jon and the teenager that took place earlier this month.
According to the CYS report, which PEOPLE has viewed, the allegation is of "causing bodily injury to a child through recent act/failure to act: hitting/punching." The report does not name Jon as the alleged perpetrator of the abuse, but the allegation is consistent with Collin's accusation last week on Instagram that his father "beat" him. The Lower Heidelburg Township Police Department had no comment when reached by PEOPLE.
"You do not punch and kick your children. You do not kick a child. I don’t want to hear any excuses from anyone, not from his father, not from local law enforcement, not from court personnel whose job is supposedly to ensure the best interests of my children," Kate tells PEOPLE. "There is a child abuse law, PA 23, section 8i states that doing any of the following, regardless of whether it causes injury, is child abuse, and first on that list is kicking. Period."
She adds of Jon, "I don’t want my children around him. Enough is enough."
Last week, Collin accused his father of physically abusing him on Instagram.
"My dad is a liar," he wrote in the since-deleted post, a screenshot of which PEOPLE has reviewed. "Yesterday he beat me up and thought nothing of it, he punched me in the face and gave me a swollen nose and I started bleeding. He then continued to kick me in the ribs after I was on the floor. He is a liar."
A source tells PEOPLE that the incident occurred after Collin became upset while talking to his father in the car.
"Collin got furious and was screaming and swearing. When they got home, he was still screaming and cursing and he went into the garage and got ... a big heavy bottle of liquid — and hurled it at Jon’s car, denting it," the source claims. "Jon got out of the car enraged, put him in a headlock, punched him square in the nose, and when Collin fell to the ground, then he kicked him in the ribs."
According to the source, Collin called the police, who responded on the scene.
A rep for Jon did not immediately return PEOPLE's request for comment.
While CYS is currently looking into what happened, it does not seem likely Jon will face any legal repercussions. Berks County District Attorney John Adams tells PEOPLE, "There has been no charges or citations filed as a result of that incident. That’s the only incident we are aware of at this point and there was no citation or charges filed as a result of the incident."
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Kate says this development “makes me sick to my stomach.”
"I do not want this buried, swept under the rug or minimized. As a mother, I am not going to sit quietly and idly by while my child, any of my children, is assaulted by anyone, let alone their own father," she says. "I am spotlighting this, and I will keep shouting about it, in the hopes that the authorities and the courts will finally do the right thing. Do not return my child to an abuser’s home. Jon needs to be charged with a crime. If this were your child, would you feel okay with having it swept under the rug?"
Jon and Kate, who divorced in 2009 after 10 years of marriage, are parents to twin daughters Cara and Madelyn, 19, and sextuplets Alexis, Aaden, Joel, Leah, Hannah and Collin, 16. The family shot to reality TV stardom in 2007 with their TLC series, Jon & Kate Plus 8.
Collin spent a little over two years away from his family in a program for children with special needs before moving in with Jon. Hannah also lives with her father, while the other four sextuplets and the twins live with their mother.
Now, Kate adds, "The police advised me that they removed Collin from Jon’s home immediately, and as far as I’m aware, he still is not back."
Speaking to reporters last year, Jon said he's not in communication with his children besides Collin and Hannah.
"It's what the kids want to do," he said. "If they don't want to talk to me, that's fine, as long as they keep up with their sibling connections."
Jon has also publicly accused Kate of abuse in press interviews. But after the latest alleged incident, Kate says she feels compelled to speak out.
"I stayed silent for a long time as Jon has repeatedly tried to start world wars with vicious words, allegations of abuse that were always unfounded, but I never engaged—I never fought back for myself or to defend myself, because there were eight people who matter more to me," she says of her kids. "But now that it involves one of my children, I will not stay silent anymore. Say whatever you want about me, and I’ll stay on the high road. But you harm my children, I’m ready to fight back."
On Sunday, Collin posted an Instagram showing off his new haircut. "Got a new cut and I’m doing better than ever," he wrote. "Life is too great to not enjoy! #livelikeitsyourlastday." To Kate, that post, in the wake of Collin's allegation about physical abuse, is troubling.
"I have always parented with my children’s best interests in mind. He parents to make himself look good. It is so sick it makes my blood boil," she says. "I am horrified that this man is the father of my children. I don’t want my children to be associated with someone who loses his mind because his car got dented."
CPS took Collin out of Jon’s home... to investigate it.. but what driving me insane is Kate is out talking about how you should never abuse a child 🙄and she wants Jon in jail... it she kidding??? She abused him and locked him away like a dog
So basically there are some misdemeanor sexual abuse but with mitigation. In other words a 19 year old with a 17 year old.
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No. Did you read the statute? It differentiates between cases where there is a three year or Less difference (always a misdemeanor) and those with a 3+ year differential (misdemeanor or felony). Misdemeanor sexual assault is not used solely when the parties are close in age.
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I can read. I said with MITIGATION, and then offered an example, for instance parties close in age. That's just one example. There are other examples. Another example is you said a few sexual comments to a minor and touched your pinky finger to their breast and then never bothered them again. That's mitigating circumstances. Obviously something like that is disgusting, but it's not the same as raping a four year old daily.
Good lord, what is your point?
https://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/jon-gosselin-denies-he-physically-abused-son-collin/?fbclid=IwAR33t_qxESYH-HRwxVUyVSWUlMfQKtu2yBXteeuOquTXCLD1DUsM-euwFtI
Jon Gosselin denied he’s ever harmed his 16-year-old son Collin after being accused of physically abusing the teenager, prompting an investigation by the Berks County Children & Youth Services in Pennsylvania.
And so the other shoe has dropped. I hope the sanctimonious Ms Gosselin is ready for a revisit to Hoffman's book. Let's not forget where the "violence" started.
Is she proposing to bring Collin back to HER house of horrors? I imagine that's the last thing C would want.
I don't think K8 is getting the reaction she hoped for. Turns out, people's memories are not as short as she hoped.
Just a handful of the comments on the People FB page:
XXXXX She should not be saying anything! She dumped him in a home and left him there. Pretty much forgot he existed! She didn't even show up to the custody hearing for him. I do agree an investigation needs to be done but Collin also has behavioral issues and this could have been him lashing out. I am happy an investigation is being done but Kate needs to stay out of it. She got rid of that child long before this and she should have no say now.
XXXXX Wow - Kate. The verbal abuse I witnessed from you toward your littles in the name of “structure” as you received a paycheck hasn’t been forgotten. Not justifying what may or may not have happened but you have gaslighted and manipulated your children for years. Remember Collin’s special needs that you sent him away for? People in glass houses should not throw stones and once again you are quick to make announcements that come with a paycheck.
XXXXX Kate has done plenty of verbal abuse of her children n Jon in plain view of the T V viewer's, at least Jon is putting up with Collins insubordination, something kate failed to do instead she chose to sent him away, stop pointing fingers Mother Teresa!
XXXXX Oh shut up Kate!!! You were abusive too!!! We all saw the way you controlled and mentally abused those kids on our television screens! So your both abusive? Poor kid ! You need Dr. Phil and ..... Jesus!!!!
XXXXX These people have totally fu<{ed up their kids. To bad someone didn’t step in sooner..
XXXXX How could this boy not have issues after being sent away from everything he knew. He will need intensive therapy the rest of his life. God only knows what will become of him. It doesn’t sound like it will turn out well.
XXXXX Of course the so called mother would chime in. She was a loud mouth cry baby from the time she had those children as she wanted everyone to give her free things and they didn’t. She could care less about this boy or his sister that live with their Dad. Go away Kate - your 15 seconds of fame are over
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https://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/jon-gosselin-denies-he-physically-abused-son-collin/?fbclid=IwAR33t_qxESYH-HRwxVUyVSWUlMfQKtu2yBXteeuOquTXCLD1DUsM-euwFtI
Jon Gosselin denied he’s ever harmed his 16-year-old son Collin after being accused of physically abusing the teenager, prompting an investigation by the Berks County Children & Youth Services in Pennsylvania.
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Jon Gosselin Says He’s a ‘Loving Father,’ Denies He Physically Abused Son Collin
Jon Gosselin denied he’s ever harmed his 16-year-old son Collin after being accused of physically abusing the teenager, prompting an investigation by the Berks County Children & Youth Services in Pennsylvania.
“Jon has never abused Collin,” a rep for the reality star, 43, told E! News on Thursday, September 10. “No charges have been filed against him and there’s no ongoing CYS investigation.”
The statement claimed that “Collin has endured severe trauma,” adding, “Jon is a loving father who has worked hard to ensure that his son gets the support and help he needs.”
The Couples Therapy alum’s response came hours after news broke of Collin’s allegation of “causing bodily injury to a child through recent act/failure to act: hitting/punching.”
Although Jon is reportedly not named in the CYS report, Collin opened up about the alleged incident with his father in a since-deleted Instagram post, calling him a “liar.”
“Yesterday he beat me up and thought nothing of it, he punched me in the face and gave me a swollen nose and I started bleeding,” he claimed last week. “He then continued to kick me in the ribs after I was on the floor. He is a liar.”
District attorney John Adams told Us Weekly in a statement on Thursday that it was the “only incident we are aware of at this point. There was no citation of charges filed as a result of the incident.”
Kate Gosselin — who shares Collin, his sextuplet siblings, Aaden, Leah, Alexis, Hannah and Joel, and 19-year-old twins Madelyn and Cara with the DJ — opened up about the alleged abuse on Thursday, saying she doesn’t “want [her] children around” her ex-husband.
“You do not punch and kick your children,” the Kate Plus Date star, 45, told People. “You do not kick a child. I don’t want to hear any excuses from anyone, not from his father, not from local law enforcement, not from court personnel whose job is supposedly to ensure the best interests of my children. There is a child abuse law, PA 23, section 8i states that doing any of the following, regardless of whether it causes injury, is child abuse, and first on that list is kicking. Period.”
Both Hannah and Collin having been living with Jon since 2018. In December of that year, Jon was granted sole physical and legal custody of his son when Kate failed to show up at their court hearing.
Collin shared a selfie via Instagram in early September and said he was “doing better than ever” after a rocky few years.
In April, Collin gushed about his father, calling him the “coolest most amazing dad, the one who’s always had my back” on Jon’s 43rd birthday. The teen also praised Jon’s girlfriend, Colleen Conrad, in May for being “one of my guidelines and one of my guiding lights” on Mother’s Day.
Pot:Kettle?
"I am horrified that this man is the father of my children. I don’t want my children to be associated with someone who loses his mind because his car got dented."
IF true, he seems well matched with a bitch who lost her mind over a missing knob from a children's dresser when the kids were 2 years old.
Something is really of here. The supposed IG post by C was from Sept 2nd. It was deleted within minutes. Then a couple days later C posts an IG picture of himself, saying life is better than ever. He supposedly claimed that Jon punched him in the face and gave him a swollen/bloody nose, but does not appear to have any injuries to his nose or face in the photo taken just a couple days after this alleged abuse occurred.
Kate has a lot of nerve saying she wants Jon charged with a crime. This is the same woman who laughed off all the numerous child abuse complaints against her, like it was all such a big joke. She is such a hypocrite.
Reading the Daily Mail comments, it's obvious that Kate's crazed IG lackey (havanesejackson)is posting there under the name :manatee" (with some extra letters added). She responds to every comment that is negative to Kate and keeps saying people are getting their information from a scripted show (one of havanese's favorite arguments).
Kate is only weighing in because she's desperate for some attention. She'd love nothing more than to get herself on a talk show where she could bash Jon in front of the cameras. We all know that in the back of her mind, she's hoping that she can use this publicity to get herself another show. Not likely. Nobody watched her before, and nobody will watch her in the future.
Lol that’s real rich of Kate to weigh in on what the child abuse laws are. Does she even hear herself? Ok Kate.
It is not uncommon for a child with a long history of abuse to feel various frustrations and have emotional struggles even with a very appropriate and loving parent. I’m glad cps is involved because they can get to the source of whatever triggered this post, if it even came from Collin at all.
This is the problem when you abuse a child is that it can be years for them to recover from the trauma of it, if they ever do.
Kate has a lot of nerve saying she wants Jon charged with a crime
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I think it’s extremely likely that post was just a prank, dare, or friend trying to be funny knowing his history. Or he was having a bad moment of frustration like many teens do and made an impulse decision. Obviously taking it back within minutes suggests it was dealt with. Whatever it is it’s truly ridiculous that Kate immediately jumps to throwing Jon in jail taking away his father (wouldn’t he be an orphan then since she doesn’t want him? Geez) instead of wanting to know what exactly happened and to have the service providers sort through the home dynamics first. Collin is linked to numerous very capable service providers and is a young man now. Does kate honestly think he would use social media to cry out for help when he has an entire team assisting him he could turn to? She’s coming across as such a tool. If she has concerns about Collin, she can pick up the phone and ask him what’s going on. He’s not a toddler. She is such a schmuck.
When I was younger, I witnessed my sister who has severe emotional issues and trauma, get in a fight with my father over something small and stupid. Because of her issues, fighting of any sort really set her off and she would get more and more emotional and sometimes even violent. During this particular fight, my sister lunged at my father and was hitting him and scratching and screaming so he restrained her. She then called the cops and reported him of physically abusing her, even though I witnessed the entire thing and nothing of that sort happened, which investigators later agreed with. The next day, after she calmed down, she immediately regretted making the report, because it wasn’t true, she just in a moment of extreme rage and emotions she didn’t know how to deal with, wanted to hurt him.
Obviously I don’t know what happened in this situation, but I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s what happened here, that Collin and Jon got in a fight and Collin as a result of his trauma just lashed out on Instagram without thinking about the consequences. Regardless, I just hope he and Hannah are okay and that everything works out, they’ve been through enough already
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Kate is only weighing in because she's desperate for some attention. She'd love nothing more than to get herself on a talk show where she could bash Jon in front of the cameras. We all know that in the back of her mind, she's hoping that she can use this publicity to get herself another show.
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So true. She gained, uh bought, almost 900 IG followers yesterday.
Not surprised People who jump on TFMG's comments. Kate Coyne is in charge over there. She's up TFMG's ass further than Steve ever was.
Layla - havanesejackson is Also Boarder Collie Marie (I guess she switched breeds at some point and is now moving to the sea creatures). She used to have Brad Pitt Living in her basement and had at hole in her heart and was at deaths door. She’s always been a bit on the nutty side especially with her devotion to Kate. I agree that Kate is only looking for attention. I believe that it’s documented by Collin’s case workers that she abused him and I’m sure that she sold the story when she was called as his “mother” about the investigation. I’ll bet she’s calling the morning talk shows trying to book an appearance.
I wouldn't jump to any conclusion. As a parent, a grandmother, and as a rational person it just would be the obvious route. Children today with their online access it's all to easy for them to be high jacked by who knows and from where. It would be unseemly to so irrational to not let this play out in private where it belongs. So, that said, I find it all the more disgusting of Kate to not do that and immediately jump on this with going to tabloids, which is what People Magazine is,it's a tabloid, it's a magazine. She should do well to remember that. Whether you put yourself in that position by being on a reality television show, or not, have the respect to understand that accounts get hacked,they get intruded upon even for normal people it happens everyday.If something sounds off, more often than not if it sounds totally bonkers--it probably IS.
It's pretty stupid to just run to magazine as a parent like that.But, it's Kate. As well as suspect the unemployed, bored former reality star is bored and this is the only news she's had her way since. What a pity.
I suspect it wise to let oh I don't the boys' father handle whatever this actually is. These two ex's make a day time soap opera blush.
I think it’s extremely likely that post was just a prank, dare, or friend trying to be funny knowing his history.
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Really? And Collin calling the police was also just wacky fun? The DA acknowledged that there was an incident. Obviously none of us are privy to what went down, but to write it off as some prank is to deny reality.
I think it’s extremely likely that post was just a prank, dare, or friend trying to be funny knowing his history.
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Really? And Collin calling the police was also just wacky fun? The DA acknowledged that there was an incident. Obviously none of us are privy to what went down, but to write it off as some prank is to deny reality.
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I don't think anyone is writing this off. I just think there's likely much more to the story. And I would be fully in support of any applicable authorities investigating it because true or not, the child needs help. With a family like this with their history, every single thing should be taken seriously. The DA is always involved in child abuse cases in PA, as I understand it. It's their purview. That's nothing odd.
What I find terribly inappropriate is for Kate to show her ass, not knowing anything that is going in, pop in and insist to the entire public his father goes to jail. Talk about emotionally abusive and manipulative behavior.
Kate probably sees this as a gambit to get Hannah back in her house. She can dispose of Collin easily enough once he's in her grasp, but Hannah is the one she really wants.
Hannah is the prize Kate is really after. She can quickly dispose of Collin if she gets custody of both kids.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8723281/Jon-Gosselin-denies-hes-investigated-abuse-Collin-claimed-hit-him.html#reader-comments
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Daily Mail has Jon's side of the story. H&C were fighting in Jon's car, and it escalated. C was throwing things at Jon's car, denting it and cursing. Jon had to restrain him, and then left to let things de-escalate. C called the police and claimed Jon punched and kicked him. Jon and H told what really happened. CPS talked to all of them, plus Kate and the other kids. By the next morning CPS closed the case. Jon took away C's X Box as punishment, C got mad, and C made--then deleted--the IG post.
Jon says C is suffering from mental issues and PTSD due to Kate's abuse. So the only actual abuse of C came at Kate's hands. By making this a news story, she is once again highlighting her own abuse of C and the consequences of HER actions. She has caused him irreparable harm and he will be dealing with it for the rest of his life. For once, I agree with something Kate said. This should not be buried, ignored, or swept under the rug. Her abuse of C and the damaged it has done should be thoroughly examined. What she has done to him is absolutely unforgivable and nobody should ever, ever forget it.
Of course, People will never cover the truth about this matter. The truth means nothing to Kate Coyne, who only concerns herself with kissing Kate G's a$$.
Hi everyone,
I hope everyone has been safe and healthy. I was a poster here years ago, and I have continuously followed the blog and the whole Gosselin through other the years.
I have to say, I’m heartbroken by this most recent development. True, we don’t know the full story. But it seemed as though Collin was finally in a better place, physically AND emotionally. It seemed like he was absolutely thriving with Jon. Whatever the case may be, I hope he is safe and that he and Jon can work our these issues.
Reading over Kate's comments about this incident, there were some things that really alarmed me. She never said she loved C, or even hoped he was okay. She never mentioned contacting him or anyone else to see how he is doing. She said she didn't want her children around Jon, but doesn't say she wants C home with her. She makes a point of saying "you don't kick your child" but says nothing about hitting, slapping, spanking, or beating with a red plastic spoon--the things she herself did to the kids. And she obviously did no follow-up at all with CPS because she would have known the very next morning that the case had been closed. She claimed that she parents in the best interests of her kids (as if making them financially support her from infancy can ever be in their best interests) and Jon parents to make himself look good. But she ran to the media with this story for one reason only--to make herself look good. That effort failed. Even yesterday, before Jon's response, nearly all the comments I saw were supportive of Jon and scathing about her. All she ended up doing was reminding the world of the great harm she has caused her kids. She is truly an idiot.
I have to say, I’m heartbroken by this most recent development. True, we don’t know the full story. But it seemed as though Collin was finally in a better place, physically AND emotionally. It seemed like he was absolutely thriving with Jon. Whatever the case may be, I hope he is safe and that he and Jon can work our these issues.
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Collin like many abused kids will likely suffer for many years to come. Child abuse isn’t like painting a room where all you have to do is give it a new color and you’ll never see that nasty old color again. It stays with you, it lingers. This kid was incarcerated for two years. You don’t just recover from that. The stress of covid I’m sure hasn’t helped. And it’s challenging on the parent they have been placed with trying to help and support.
On a side note this is an excellent example of why kids ALL kids should be in school right now. We absolutely must have teachers and other experts around them watching out for struggles like this. The consequences otherwise are terrifying.
Wonderful to read (in the Daily Mail)Jon's side of the "incident" and that Hannah backs Jon's account.
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Reading over Kate's comments about this incident, there were some things that really alarmed me. She never said she loved C, or even hoped he was okay. She never mentioned contacting him or anyone else to see how he is doing. She said she didn't want her children around Jon, but doesn't say she wants C home with her.
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That struck me immediately. It’s ALL about her and revenge on Jon. She doesn’t care two shits if Collin is okay. Not two shits.
Daily Mail has Jon's side of the story. H&C were fighting in Jon's car, and it escalated. C was throwing things at Jon's car, denting it and cursing. Jon had to restrain him, and then left to let things de-escalate. C called the police and claimed Jon punched and kicked him. Jon and H told what really happened. CPS talked to all of them, plus Kate and the other kids. By the next morning CPS closed the case. Jon took away C's X Box as punishment, C got mad, and C made--then deleted--the IG post.
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That is not at all surprising, and all props to Hannah, Jon, and I'm sure Colleen too for being patient with him, supporting him, being accepting of him and his struggles, not taking it personally when he lashed out.
It was NOT going to be all roses when Collin went home to Jon, or when any child who has been through what he has goes home. That's what service providers are for.
He has PTSD from YOU Kate. His MOTHER. Chew on that, you fucking tool.
That Kate reacted so quickly with such vitriol toward Jon makes it seem she has just been sitting in that big old house just seething at Jon. She'd be rich and famous...set for life if it weren't for him (loving his children). Layla, Daily Mail's account makes great sense. I hope Hannah was there to verify what happened.
Jon, stay strong.
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I mean how old are these kids... aren’t they getting a little old for “custody”... Kate has no right to Collin and I’m sure she doesn’t want him back.. she just wants Jon thrown in jail because she got fired and has no income... we all know what this is about... also she would love to control Hannah again ... why is she worried about him all of a sudden when she didn’t even visit him for three years. What am I missing here? Does she want to set the story straight again? Can she fucking disappear already. The kids has PTSD from her!!!! Can she sliver back under her rock... and what does she mean enough is enough? Because she hasn’t gotten her way?
Khate only saw this as an opportunity for publicity for herself. The audacity of her to even comment on anything concerning the child she threw away!
The Daily Mail story makes sense to me. It was sad to read about Colin wanting to run away. It's a shame the effects abuse can have.
A blind item said Kate is trying to take advantage of the situation. The blind said she is almost out of money and thought she could make money doing speaking engagements. That's laughable that anyone wants to hear what she has to say. So she hopes she can get another show.
https://blindgossip.com/children-as-leverage/
I think highly of Collin. To me, he always seemed, and still does seem, like a great kid with a heart of gold. Make no mistake, my heart breaks for him for what he went through, and I can’t even imagine the trauma he is dealing with in the aftermath of Kate’s rejection AND his ridiculously, inexcusably long stay at a facility away from home.
That being said, he is sixteen years old now; he has to know what a public accusation of child abuse can do to a family, especially a family with the history and the public platform the Gosselins have. I just wish he would have thought it through a bit more before acting on his anger. I hope this doesn’t strain his relationship with his father, his sister, or with Colleen, as he has apparently worked hard to nurture these relationships over the past couple of years.
Let me clarify my previous post: I was referring to child abuse accusations that are not true, of course
I kind of thought would come down to something happening and Jon having to restrain Collin. Having worked with troubled kids in the past it sometimes has to be done so no one gets hurt in the heat of the moment. Jon probably only did what Collin’s team advised him to do in a situation like this. TFW jumped the gun on this one just to get her name back in the press and make a few bucks and now has egg on her face. Maybe, just maybe Collin is still working through some anger issues caused by TFW’s treatment of him.
So then shall we assume you are against home schooling?
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If a kid is to be abused, yes I am. Most home schools these days aren't really home schools. There is extensive interactions and requirements with the school system. I'm also in support of efforts in California to require ongoing interactions with social workers, within reason, for homeschool children, and so are many other people. If you saw all the child abuse referrals I do out of this state, you'd be concerned too.
It's just really sad that Collin ended up posting on social media, because otherwise this setback would have been a normal relapse and they could have kept it quiet. Now it's blown, and Kate's dumb ass had to weigh in on something she doesn't know a thing about on some child she hasn't seen in four years and make it even worse. God, STFU.
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I cannot imagine a TV producer or network having the slightest inclination to put this harpy back on TV, with or without the kids. It is clear that she ran to People within minutes of finding out about this. And People knew when they ran her story that there were no charges pending and that the "investigation" had been closed. It is really unbelievable the lengths they will go to on her behalf. Although I guess without new photos, at least they didn't have to pay her this time, LOL.
If she's worried about running out of money, there's something she can do. Get.A.Job.
If you saw all the child abuse referrals I do out of this state, you'd be concerned too.
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Oh, I am concerned. I am opposed to home schooling for the most part. I recall you being in favor of it in prior discussions.
Just some quotes from the Daily article
'She hasn't seen Collin in five years and now she's going to try to come out as the caring mother when in fact the reason Collin is struggling with mental illness is because she abused him.
'He has PTSD because of her. So I'm not going to sit back and not defend myself or my family.'
Jon says Collin's troubles are such that the incident last week wasn't the first time he has had to restrain the teenager.
Jon has been dealing with the fallout ever since.
'Dealing with a child with mental health issues is taxing, I'm taxed,' the IT consultant admitted. 'But I love my son. I will not give up. I go to therapy, we all go to family therapy, to deal with having a son that has been traumatized and abused by his mother.
'It's very difficult for me. I'm trying to learn how to handle Collin, I have my own demons as well, but I never punched him or kicked him or anything like that.
Jon added: 'None of this is Collin's fault. He's 16. He's got a lot of issues to work through and we're here to help him.'
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When this first broke out, was her first instinct to call People magazine to give a ridiculous statement rather than to call her own son? You know, the boy she shipped off to a facility 4 years ago and has hardly spoken to since.
I’m all for mothers speaking out on behalf of their children. But this woman, by all accounts, has had very little to do with Collin for the last several years. She didn’t even show up to court to fight for custody!! Now that there is suddenly a chance to make Jon look bad, she remembers Collin exists? Interesting. And psychotic.
This is not true. There is NO requirement in California that a parent interact with the school system.
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No, In California you are required to Interact with the school system whether you want to go to school or homeschool. California Education Code (EC) Section 33190
I was also referring to many homeschool programs that sort of “parallel” the schools and keep in touch with them.
Your claim was that there are extensive interactions and requirements with the school system. The sum total of "interaction" is filing the private school affidavit. That's IT. Home schooling is the wild west of education.
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You completely misunderstood what I said. Good grief. You put me on the spot am I against homeschooling, and I explained that I was against it if a kid is going to be abused, but it's less of a concern because many homeschools are so much more interactive now. I was referring to programs that are these. I know several children who are in such programs, and they say they are "home schooled" but it's really not, not in the traditional sense anyway. Gone are the days when you sit at the kitchen table with your mother all day for MANY programs. They're basically like micro schools. There are some kids still sitting at home with just their mothers, but it's not most of them.
Kate gave her child PTSD. I repeat, Kate gave her child PTSD!
I wouldn't jump to any conclusion. As a parent, a grandmother, and as a rational person it just would be the obvious route. Children today with their online access it's all to easy for them to be high jacked by who knows and from where.
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There's that issue, and then there's the issue of posting something you regret. As we know, children's brains aren't developed enough at 16 to recognize true cause and effect and consequences, and it's completely normal for a child this age to make a rash decision to post something they shouldn't. This would have been fine if he was just Collin Smith. But he's Collin Gosselin, with lots more followers than the average kid because he was a child reality star.
On the one hand, I think Collin's social media has been a great outlet for him. His dog posts and positivity have been a real bright spot during COVID. On the other, this happened. I appreciate Jon's candor in all this. Not trying to be the superhero, acknowledging, hey, this is darn tough. We're getting through it, but it's been tough. Good for him, and all my positive good thoughts go out to him and Colleen as Collin's mother and father.
You know if Kate were to devote any measure of her life to being engaged with Collin and his service providers and therapists, she would know that the absolute worst thing you can do for a child this fragile is start playing the blame game. Your father did this, your father did that. Oh my God, I hope he NEVER sees her asinine comments about this incident, they would crush him.
Samantha (#68), yeah, the woman who tossed him out at 11 years old and didn't even bother to SHOW UP for his custody hearing is not a very convincing advocate for his well being, huh?
I think many of us predicted C's transition might be a challenging one. Jon and Colleen could be Ward and June Cleaver, but this young man suffered physical and emotional abuse at his mother's hands (remember her journal entries) which cannot be magically erased by love and understanding. Hopefully he is young enough that intense treatment can help him become a healthy, stable adult. But it may be a long, difficult slog.
NJGal51,
Yes, Marie/BordierCollie/havanesejackson/mannnnaaattteeee are one and the same. You can't hide that kind of crazy. Plus, she uses the same old, tired talking points. It's like a signature.
I don't doubt that Kate has burned through the money she made on those 7 episodes last year. It's probably far less than she made during a "normal" season because, for the first time, she would have had to share the income with adult kids (M&C). No more pocketing all the money for herself. Kate has had some big court losses recently, and now she is being held accountable for any money taken from the kids' trusts. She can probably still pay the mortgage and other expenses with the kids' money, but there has to be a limit to how much money is there. The kids still have college to pay for. Kate probably has money invested, but the stock market is all over the place, and does she have enough to support herself for the rest of her life? I doubt it.
I'm sure she's very much aware of the fact that she only has 20 months left before the 4 remaining tups are legal adults. Only 20 more months to sell their privacy and pocket the money for herself. She probably sees the end of the Kardashians' show as an opening for her. Not likely. People found the Kardashians' lives fascinating. The Gs are boring. Big difference. Time for Kate to get a j-o-b.
I didn't misunderstand anything. Your claim that home schools have extensive interactions and requirements with the school system was not accurate. Simple as that.
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That is not what I said! I said MOST homeschools. That is a completely accurate statement about the state of homeschools today. It is not how it used to be. MOST is not inclusive of ALL homeschools, you idiot.
Without A Crystal Ball is saying that Kate is still dodging service on her contempt charges. Seriously, this has been ongoing for months--it's ridiculous! Is she hiding out at home, refusing to leave in order to avoid service? How inept are the process servers that they can't find her to hand her the papers?
Oh, I am concerned. I am opposed to home schooling for the most part. I recall you being in favor of it in prior discussions.
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I'm not in favor of mass homeschooling AT ALL.
I support a parents right to educate their child without government interference, but that was when less than one percent of kids are doing it. On a mass scale like this, it's downright frightening. I wish I could provide you all the horrifying examples of how COVID stay at home policies are literally emotionally wrecking and killing abused children, but they are confidential cases.
Oh so parents' right to choose trumps your concern about child abuse in a home education setting. Got it.
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One doesn't trump the other. Most kids aren't abused. Of those that are, we rely on mandatory reporters to tell us. When far left COVID policies decide they're going to remove most mandatory reporters from the equation, kids get are getting hurt. Know what you're doing when you "shut er down!!!"
If teachers during COVID would show just a tiny ounce of bravery and get they asses to school to protect these kids, I might be feeling a bit more warm and fuzzy. They have been outrageous cowards throughout all this. Just shameful cowards and a horrible example of our kids. If firefighters, nurses, doctors, lawyers, grocery store workers DAYCARE workers and a whole lot of other folks can work during a pandemic, so too can teachers get their asses to school. STFU and teach.
I think many of us predicted C's transition might be a challenging one. Jon and Colleen could be Ward and June Cleaver, but this young man suffered physical and emotional abuse at his mother's hands (remember her journal entries) which cannot be magically erased by love and understanding. Hopefully he is young enough that intense treatment can help him become a healthy, stable adult. But it may be a long, difficult slog.
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You know in a strange way this incident is reassuring. It's not credible that the boy goes home to Jon and Colleen and lives happily ever after, like you said. The important thing when he does have challenges is how the adults in his life handle the challenges, and it appears that with the exception of his egg donor Kate, everyone did the best that they could.
If all we heard about was how great everything now was, I'd honestly be a little worried that people are in denial, and that doesn't serve Collin.
When this first broke out, was her first instinct to call People magazine to give a ridiculous statement rather than to call her own son?
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Yes. He first instinct was to text Coyne.
I wish Jon would subpoena all of Coyne's text messages with Kate since I'm sue Kate's violated orders somewhere along the way telling her these things.
Wow, just wow. You truly are an asshole. The one who needs to STFU is you.
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They have offered to outright put them in plexiglass boxes to teach. They unions are still refusing. Meanwhile teachers are off taking vacation in the Florida keys and living it up getting paid to not work. ASSHOLES. ASSHOLES.
Kids are getting RAPED stuck at home with their abusers. Minorities and poor are hurt the most, they will NEVER recover from this. These teachers don't give a shit. Assholes.
Read the blind item... it sounds like blackmail to me. My favorite line is she’s almost out of money. It’s over kate...you will never have that again. Now she wants Collin so she can film?? God she is an evil bitch
By the time she fights for custody they’ll be 18... she’s delusional as always
I’m not getting this. Didn’t TLC fire her ass?
Jon added: 'None of this is Collin's fault. He's 16. He's got a lot of issues to work through and we're here to help him.’
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This is exactly what Collin needs to hear. This is not your fault, we are here to help you and we will stand by you. He needs to know that no matter what his behavior they will not ship him off to an institution, however, he also needs to know that there will be consequences for said behavior. God only knows what TFW is spewing to the other tups because you just know that she wants them to believe that she was justified in sending him away and that their father is the devil incarnate. Hopefully they’re in contact with Hannah and know the truth of what happened.
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I’m not getting this. Didn’t TLC fire her ass?
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Yes they did, but Kate has stated before that "no never means no to me". She thinks she can wear them down and get them to take her back. They fired her before--and then took her back, so she thinks they'll do it again. The difference this time is that she knowingly put TLC in jeopardy and subjected them to ridicule by producing the kids for filming without work permits. Sure, some will say that TLC should have been more diligent about those work permits, but she was a producer on the show, and one of her responsibilities as a producer was probably making sure the proper work permits were in order. There is no question that she knew the kids didn't have work permits. Plus, she is the parent--it is her job to make sure the kids were squared away. She didn't. When you combine that with the horrible ratings of both her shows (much lower than when she was first fired), it's clear that she was nothing more than a liability to TLC.
I'm also sure that she has been begging for some attention from every media outlet she can think of. She jumped on this thing fast, just to get someone to remind the public that she exists. People was not her only call. The Today Show, GMA, The View, ET, etc would also have been on her call list. No doubt in my mind. People was the only one who responded. She would have liked to get some air time out of this. I bet she even called TLC and tried to get them to acknowledge her again. Sadly for her, it just served as a reminder of the irreparable harm she and TLC have done to C.
I read the BlindGossip and there's no question they're talking about Kate. And as we suspected, she's looking for a show and has figures she'd need all the kids in order to get one. I don't think even that would work. People are so over watching the Gosselins. That won't change even if she has all the kids.
You know, I actually hope she's running out of money. She does not deserve to live the rest of her life supporting herself with money her kids earned. I'm not worried about the kids--they have trust funds and will be able to go to college and find careers. She's the one who refuses to lower herself to getting a normal job. Of course, there's no way a normal job will pay enough to cover all her expenses, especially with that house and property. But sitting around waiting for another TV show pays even less. I can't even imagine any network hiring her now.
Kate has spent more years unemployed lately than she has spent working. From 2011-2014, then from 2017-2019, and now for almost a year since the "lost episode". Even if she saved and invested, that's a lot of years without a significant income.
The "small window of opportunity" in the BG article is the 20 months left before the youngest kids are adults. Just 20 more months...
Ann @ 85...What blind item?
For 11 years Collin was tortured by his mother and sent to an institution where he was tortured for another 3 years. Good thing they are receiving counseling and therapy as a family not just Collin. This will be a very long haul for them, but I know Jon will not give up on him.
I read the BlindGossip and there's no question they're talking about Kate. And as we suspected, she's looking for a show and has figures she'd need all the kids in order to get one. I don't think even that would work. People are so over watching the Gosselins. That won't change even if she has all the kids.
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She could have a show on a dime filming it herself during COVID. She's stupid and lazy. Several other stars are keeping interest by filming their own shows, and it's working so well for many of them they've even been nominated for awards.
And honestly, this is a golden opportunity for her since so much of industry filming has stopped across the board, we're about to hit a real dry spell of new content. I find myself perfectly happy to just watch Pioneer Woman have her kid filming her making a cheese pizza in a cast iron pan because at least it's not another re-run of something.
As per her usual M.O., she is blowing things handed to her.
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Sure, she could film them herself, but what would she have to film? There's a reason that the show was nothing but travel, parties, and shopping. That's because there is absolutely nothing interesting about this family. And Kate's not going to splash out on a trip or shopping just so she can have something to film. So her videos would be something like, "Okay, here's Joel feeding the dogs...and Alexis doing her homework...and Cara trying to hide from the camera. Oh, look, this is interesting! Leah's room is so messy! Watch while I berate her for the next 15 minutes about cleaning her room!". Sorry, nobody's going to watch that. She didn't film them herself because she knows they have nothing going on that's worth watching. They had plenty of opportunities to develop interesting talents and hobbies, but it looks like none of them ever followed through with those opportunities. Sad.
Jon added: 'None of this is Collin's fault. He's 16. He's got a lot of issues to work through and we're here to help him.’
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This is exactly what Collin needs to hear. This is not your fault, we are here to help you and we will stand by you. He needs to know that no matter what his behavior they will not ship him off to an institution, however, he also needs to know that there will be consequences for said behavior.
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Can you imagine having one parent abandon you and institutionalize you, how hard it would be to trust anyone else who ever calls you their parent? He is EXACTLY like foster children who have been burned by a parent, no matter how badly they want to trust the person parenting them now, no matter how safe and appropriate this person is, they still have their moments of doubt.
Jon and Colleen simply showing up for him is what is going to get him through this. He obviously has many good days, and adores them. They will get through this.
Excellent response by Jon... validating his feelings and not blaming him. Unlike that sick bitch
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Sure, she could film them herself, but what would she have to film? There's a reason that the show was nothing but travel, parties, and shopping. That's because there is absolutely nothing interesting about this family.
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And you've hit on it. She wants her cake and eat it too. She wants to film her boring family without making any effort to be interesting and engaging or to OFFER anything to viewers. She wants all the spoils without the effort. It really goes to her own ego, that she thinks she is so interesting and in demand just by being. She has NEVER understood how hard most people work to stay in the limelight. Celebrity Apprentice was the best example of how damn lazy she is. For very few people sustaining fame just "happens." That's why so many celebs are narcissistic workaholics, as very few people are able to keep themselves so famous otherwise.
That being said, he is sixteen years old now; he has to know what a public accusation of child abuse can do to a family, especially a family with the history and the public platform the Gosselins have. I just wish he would have thought it through a bit more before acting on his anger. I hope this doesn’t strain his relationship with his father, his sister, or with Colleen, as he has apparently worked hard to nurture these relationships over the past couple of years.
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This is going to be fine. Any good therapist with even a baseline knowledge of abused children will be aware that they know exactly what power abuse allegations can wield, and that it is not at all
Unfortunately this is a big reason why so many foster parents are reluctant to take on a teenager, because the children often make allegations. It results in a vicious cycle where they are stuck in group homes without a family and things get worse. This is normal behavior, it is a normal response to abuse, when frustration kicks in or if they are getting overwhelmed by the family and seeking to push them away because they're scared, this is exactly what happens.
Why did CPS notify TFW about the incident if Jon has full physical and legal custody? She should have nothing to do with Collin & Hannah. So, Kate was paid for this article (photos)? Of course, profiting off of the child she's already abused.
And speaking about TFW's abuse of Collin, is she prepared to one day have him take her to court, or write a book, or do a cover story in a magazine, detailing the years of abuse she inflicted on him?
Her narcissism must be at a full boil with the way she lashed out & the accusations she made about Jon with no worry that she won't beat any backlash she might get from the article the same way she's beat every other one. When... will she be held accountable for the years of abuse - physical/emotional/monetary - the kids endured at her hands?
Why did CPS notify TFW about the incident if Jon has full physical and legal custody?
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In CA all parents have a right to notice, even shitty ones. Unless your parental rights are terminated which is very different than simply losing custody.
I was just remembering that TFW told C -- oh, and the entire world -- that he was "hard to love" in "Eight Little Faces (now available for a buck at Dollar Tree).
If she felt comfortable sharing that in public, can you imagine what kinds of heinous things she said and did to that child behind closed doors? Jon and Colleen have their work cut out for them trying to build his self esteem back up.
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Ann @ 85...What blind item?
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This one:
https://blindgossip.com/children-as-leverage/comment-page-2/#comments
https://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/jon-gosselins-mother-defends-him-amid-collin-abuse-allegations/
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https://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/jon-gosselins-mother-defends-him-amid-collin-abuse-allegations/
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Jon Gosselin’s Mother Defends Him Amid Collin Abuse Allegations: He ‘Loves and Adores’ His Son
Taking a stand. Jon Gosselin’s mother, Pamela Gosselin, defended the former Jon and Kate Plus 8 star after he denied son Collin’s claims he was physically abusive.
“Jon loves and adores Collin and fought years to take care of him,” Pamela tells The Sun about their relationship on Monday, September 14. “There are no charges being pressed [against Jon] because he didn’t hit his son. Hannah witnessed Collin and Jon together that day and it’s just untrue.”
Collin reportedly claimed his dad “punched” and “kicked” him in a now-deleted Instagram post shared in early September, even calling Jon a “liar.” As a result of the alleged incident, the County of Berks, Pennsylvania Child & Youth Services notified the 16-year-old’s mother, Kate Gosselin, of an open investigation.
The Kate Plus Date alum, 45, later spoke out about the family drama on September 10, revealing she didn’t want her children around Jon, 43, anymore. “Enough is enough,” she told People. “I don’t want to hear any excuses from anyone, not from his father, not from local law enforcement, not from court personnel whose job is supposedly to ensure the best interests of my children.”
On the other hand, Pamela claims a lot of Collin’s inner turmoil stems from him being sent to a special needs institution in 2016, where he remained for three years. Kate previously defended her decision to send Collin away, while Jon claimed it wasn’t necessary in a September 2019 interview because Collin only had ADHD and “has never been diagnosed with any known medical condition.”
“I don’t blame Collin for getting out of control when he gets upset,” Pamela tells the outlet. “He is an incredibly smart teen that has to learn to live in our society after what he has been through, but it’s a process. It is fixable but it will take time. He has been through pain and we as a family have given him nonstop unconditional love.”
Pamela shared her thoughts days after the TLC personality slammed the allegations made against him by his teenage son. “Jon has never abused Collin,” a rep for the DJ told In Touch. “There’s no ongoing Children & Youth Services investigation. Collin has endured severe trauma. Jon is a loving father who has worked hard to ensure that his son gets the support and help he needs.”
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Wow, that In Touch article links to The Sun and their interview with Jon's mother. She provides LOTS more info that should ensure that TFW shuts the F up on this issue. Not surprising, but heartbreaking:
'HOW DARE SHE?' Jon Gosselin’s mother ‘appalled’ ex Kate accused him of abusing son and insists mom of eight ’emotionally damaged’ teen
JON Gosselin's mother is "appalled" his ex-wife Kate accused him of abusing Collin, 16, and insists the mom of eight "emotionally damaged" the teen.
In a rare interview, Pamela Gosselin leapt to her son's defense after he was accused of punching and kicking Collin - claims Jon has strongly denied.
Accusing Kate of physically and emotionally abusing Collin, she said: "I am appalled that a mother who has abused her children has the nerve to accuse Jon. She is the cause of my grandson's pain.
“She has made false statements about Jon and the very worst part is she has always been the abusive parent. Anyone who knows both Kate and Jon as parents also knows she is the perpetrator of this.
"Jon loves and adores Collin and fought years to take care of him. I am furious at Kate's lies about Jon.
"There are no charges being pressed because he didn’t hit his son. Hannah witnessed Collin and Jon together that day and it's just untrue."
People first reported that the County of Berks, Pennsylvania Child & Youth Services notified mom Kate Gosselin of the investigation after an alleged violent altercation that took place earlier this month.
Collin, 16, told cops Jon punched and kicked him in a fight and also alleged his father “beat” him in a now-deleted Instagram post.
Jon, who has custody of Collin and Hannah, however hit back insisting to DailyMail.com that his son made a false report and the matter had been dropped.
Pamela admitted that sometimes Collin can act out - but she places the blame on Kate, who sent him to live in a special needs institution for two years before Jon was able to get custody.
She claimed Kate stopped Collin from having meals with his seven siblings, prevented him from going to school and favored the female children over the male children.
Kate has been accused in the past of physically punishing her children - and was even pictured spanking one of her toddlers in 2009.
She responded by defending her actions, saying in a statement: "I love my children and when they misbehave, I discipline them as I deem appropriate for the situation.”
In 2015, Kate was accused of hitting her kids with what was described as a "spanker" in Robert Hoffman's book Kate Gosselin: How She Fooled The World, which claimed she admitted the spankings in her own diary entries.
But she has always denied claims of abuse - calling them "unfounded."
Pamela also alleges that as babies, Kate favored her girls and would have other people feed her baby boys.
"Kate never allowed him to have meals with his siblings. It's painful for us to know this truth now.
"Luckily he has always been a reader and finished a book a day to keep his mind occupied while he was institutionalized. He has managed to catch up thanks to the help of Jon and is doing very well in school.
"People truly have to understand that Collin has always been pushed aside by his mother. She gave very little love to the boys.
"She never even fed the boys as babies, she would have the volunteers feed the boys and she would feed the girls. It was disturbing to watch."
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Pamela said her family loves Collin - and don't blame him for anything.
She continued: "I don’t blame Collin for getting out of control when he gets upset because he is triggered by his past and his mother's abuse. He is an incredibly smart teen that has to learn to live in our society after what he has been through, but it’s a process. It is fixable but it will take time.
"He has been through pain and we as a family have given him not stop unconditional love. When he is angry we are patient and do the best we can because we understand what he has endured.
"The years of being institutionalized and isolated from those that love him most have caused long term pain. My family fought to save Collin from a terrible situation and brought him home so we could love him and care for him and get him the help he needs.
"Teenage years are tough anyway, but he’s been through hell.
"It's painful for him because he reminds us regularly 'I was three years without anyone' and in turn, we always tell him, 'Yes, we are so sorry, but we were trying to find you the entire time.'
"He feels we abandoned him and that's just not the case. We couldn’t find him and Kate kept him from us. We have to keep reminding him and explaining how hard we worked to find him but Kate wouldn’t give up that information.
"He is the sweetest. After five years of not being able to see each other, he remembered the last meal we all had together and asked me to cook it when he arrived home.
"He is smart as a whip even after she denied him five years of education. She kept him out of school for two years before she committed him and then for three more years. He had no schooling when he was institutionalized."
Jon and Kate have been involved in a nasty custody battle since they divorced in 2009 after 10 years of marriage.
Speaking about the accusations against Jon, Kate, 45, told People: “You do not punch and kick your children. You do not kick a child. I don’t want to hear any excuses from anyone, not from his father, not from local law enforcement, not from court personnel whose job is supposedly to ensure the best interests of my children.
“There is a child abuse law, PA 23, section 8i states that doing any of the following, regardless of whether it causes injury, is child abuse, and first on that list is kicking. Period."
She added of her ex-husband: "I don’t want my children around him. Enough is enough.”
In response, Pamela said she wanted people to know how much her family have loved and supported Collin - and would never harm him.
She said: "For those that have seen the false accusations by Kate, what people should know about our life is that we have only showered Collin with love, but sometimes that's not enough.
"After the years of abuse, Collin suffered at the hands of his mother, we can’t just quickly overcome that emotional damage even with nonstop family love and therapy. There are so many years to make up for the abuse he suffered. You can’t replace those years and you can’t make them go away.
"So much time has been lost. Our immediate and extended family and friends have embraced Collin since he has come back into our lives.
"After years of abuse, it will take time for him to heal. We pray and with the help of professionals and our love he can heal, but it will take time and we have time to give.
"No one in our family has ever abused Collin. Our genuine love may be overwhelming at times to his emotions. Our normalcy too. So many aunts, uncles, cousins, friends; celebrating birthdays, graduations, holidays, and just plain old family dinners.
"I'm sure it's a lot to digest after years of being away. We all take these things for granted because they’re normal to our everyday lives, but not his. In a way, it might be an emotional overload for him, but it is love."
The Sun reached out to representatives for Kate for comment who did not respond.
WOW! Thanks for posting the Sun piece, Former Lurker. Cue the defamation suit from K8.
I am SO glad Jon's mom commented. It's even worse than we thought---not allowed to eat with his siblings??? No real education for FIVE years? She is a monster.
I am SO glad Jon's mom commented. It's even worse than we thought---not allowed to eat with his siblings??? No real education for FIVE years? She is a monster
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But she knows the child abuse laws in Pennsylvania, and when Jon violated them and the applicable jail punishment.
She sounds so mentally ill.
Omg...Jon's mother's interview was heartbreaking. I think the abuse Kate inflicted on Collin is even worse than I suspected.
Enough is enough??? Oh ok kate.....it must be killing her she can’t control this and it’s over..she wants Jon punished so bad it’s borderline psychotic. She doesn’t want to hear anything from anyone in authority. Oh ok again kate you sick fuck
Maybe the worst part of what Kate has done to Collin was to make his siblings complicit in his ostracizing. I am sure they were not allowed to talk about what was happening to him inside their home. It sounds like the only one who stood up for him was Hannah. When they all realize down the line what their mother made them do, treating a family member like some kind of disease that has to be isolated and then excised, I imagine they will be horrified, the guilt will be tremendous. What a sad situation.
I see People has some exclusive interview up with TFW this morning. I won't click it. You better believe she's going to try to capitalize on this. Maybe she can score a poke-and-dab interview with Dr. Phil or Dr. Oz.
At the least, I expect her to get back on social media to "set the record straight" and reunite with her 11 remaining fans.
I believe every word Jon's mother said. TFW's cruelty was never a secret, but that stuff was downright evil.
Pretty revealing that her last attempt at success was a dating show. Her kids had been living in turmoil for a decade -- through their parents' ugly, public divorce and then their brother being ostracized and subsequently removed from their home -- but rather than focus on their healing, she decided that was a dandy time to look for a boyfriend. She is a horrible mother.
Sad but true @112 said... When they all realize down the line what their mother made them do, treating a family member like some kind of disease that has to be isolated and then excised, I imagine they will be horrified, the guilt will be tremendous. What a sad situation.I
I agree, but we were raised in loving families absent abuse, and are emotionally healthy. Thus Gossellin children weren't. They experienced abuse daily and most likely participated in the emotional abuse TFW forced on Collin.
I've often wondered how emotionally healthy the 8 children could be after living in TFW's house of horrors for so long and after reading what Jon's mother said, I doubt any of them will be able to navigate the ups and downs, give and take of lasting adult relationships without long term therapy.
I can't imagine the frustration Jon must feel about the whole mess and how his hands were tied for SO long while TFW manipulated the legal system. I'd like to naively think their assigned family court judge would take a long look at how this case was handled and hopefully never allow another child/children to slip thru his court again. How could Collin have no schooling for 3 years when he was "incarcerated"? WTF - starting when he was just 11 yo? How and why is this institution allowed to not provide an education to their wards - for 3 YEARS? Something is majorly wrong there (Berks County, the state of PA)
SMH
I still think when all is said and done the WORST thing Kate has done in all of this, even worse than the abuse, was to alienate the children from each other. The sibling relationship is special as it is, but they are MULTIPLES, unusual high order ones at that, who by all accounts were born with a special bond.
Lots of kids survive a childhood of abuse. Many of them have come to this blog over the years. But at least these kids had their siblings to turn to in adulthood.
I looked at the new People "exclusive." Except for one quote (below), it is a rehash of everything they published earlier. I don't know why they bothered.
"I am done hiding and will say this unequivocally: Jon is a violent and abusive person,” Kate, 45, tells PEOPLE exclusively.
I think you better go on hiding, Kate. Because your lies become less credible the more you open your ugly trap.
"I am done hiding and will say this unequivocally: Jon is a violent and abusive person,” Kate, 45, tells PEOPLE exclusively.
I think you better go on hiding, Kate. Because your lies become less credible the more you open your ugly trap.
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1. when is the last time she has even SEEN Jon?
2. Okay, even giving Collin every benefit of the doubt, she has to understand that a child with special needs can and will have outbursts and blurt things out when they're upset. Can't she allow ANY room here for there being two sides to the story? That there's a reasonable explanation? And turns out, there was. Her resoluteness is just bizarre, and it must make Hannah feel awful, since Hannah was there and knows what happened and knows no one was "violent and abusive".
3. Isn't she embarrassed at all to go spouting off about how violent and abusive he is when it is well documented how abusive she was, and probably still is? This should embarrass normal people.
Admin (#116), and if Jon is this violent, abusive demon, how come she made ZERO effort to take her poor troubled son away from him after the boy was institutionalized? Nope. She didn't even drag her sorry behind to court for the custody hearing to look the kid in the eye after 3 years.
All 7 siblings experienced emotional trauma when their brother was kicked out, whether they realize it in 5 years or 50. I am especially saddened for A and J, who had their wombmate and roommate removed from their home like an unruly puppy who chewed up too many carpets.
Kate is just the absolute WORST. She just lives to poison people’s minds against someone they once loved. Why would she work so hard to ostracize Collin from his siblings? Even if he was experiencing struggles, even if his relationship with Kate was strained....did she not consider the fact that creating that segregation could make things WORSE?
My gosh. How dare she tell People magazine that Jon is “violent” and “abusive” after everything SHE put Collin through. She should appreciate Jon for providing love, stability, and shelter to the boy that she simply could not (or didn’t want to) care properly for.
You know, as curious as I am about what really went down with Collin, I’m even more curious about Hannah. She idolized Kate as a child, and was considered the golden child. Then, next thing we know, she was having so many issues living with Kate that she chose to live with Jon. For a teenage girl to choose to live with her father over their mother (the female figure to help them navigate through first periods, crushes, relationships), regardless of how good of a father she is, speaks VOLUMES to me. Not to mention that Hannah and Leah were always so close, so things must have been bad for Hannah to choose to leave Leah.
Seriously, what do you guys think happened with the Kate/Hannah relationship??
A normal mother’s first reaction would be oh my god let me call my son, honey is eveything ok what happened?
Kate’s reaction is to contact Kate Coyne, a tabloid.
I refuse to read or click on the People article. Kate is such a hypocrite! Now she's calling Jon violent and abusive, but once again--I bet there's no mention of her so much as calling C to make sure he is okay. I'm absolutely positive now that the Blind Gossip article is true. Kate wants a new show, she knows she won't get one without having all the kids available for filming, and the only way she can do that is to make Jon look like a bad parent. Which is exactly what she's trying to do. The case was closed. No abuse. But she won't let it go because this may be her only chance to get back in the media, to draw attention to herself, and maybe try to get Hannah back (for filming purposes at least). I find it hard to imagine that she would ever want C back, but if she's desperate enough, she may try. We'll see if she tries to go for custody.
20 months. That "narrow window" mentioned in the BG article is the 20 months she has left until the tups become adults. Once that happens she can never again force them to film, or sign a contract for them, or keep for herself all the money they worked so hard to earn. I expect it's going to be a rough time for all of them as she gets more and more desperate. Her claws are coming out.
I don’t exactly know what she wants from all this? Is it just a chance to get some attention? Cause Jon’s not losing custody or going to jail
My brother is a narcissist, they have 5 kids. They had a golden child, and a scapegoat. The scapegoat was always separated from their siblings, and held to a different standard. Years later, only 2 of the kids speak to the parents. So they had to rename the new golden child and scapegoat. And they are never wrong, EVER!
One of Kate’s kids will be the new scapegoat, that’s how it works. And they are clever at making sure the others know that child is not worthy of love.
It’s funny that my brother has the balls to say to me “we don’t know what we did, they’re ungrateful assholes” he knows I’m very close to them. They don’t care, they’re referred to as sperm and egg donor.
Kate is trying to look like the hero, Kate your the reason C is this way. Your no hero, your a royal bitch, a child abuser.
I've seen the links to the articles and refuse to read them because I know it's just Kate's nonsense. I'm glad Jon and the children have his mother for support. I think this incident triggered Kate. She's mentally ill, and it's a shame not all of the children are being helped.
What network/production company is so hard up that they would want to work with K8 AND the kids when it's perfectly obvious that the FATHER doesn't want that to happen and has the means (at long last) to fight it? She's the one who's got the "delusional ramblings" going on. Forget about the kids, her own actions and what she's put out in the press cumulatively scream "I'm a nut job!" Who would voluntarily sign up for THAT?
Hannah has come to Jon's defense (thank you Hannah). How can Kate be so greedy and selfish and put her children through this? She selfishly goes right to People Mag. rather than try to help her children in any way she can including not pitting her children against their father, who CLEARLY loves them. She still shocks me.
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Now that Instagram doesn't let you look at posts unless you have an account, I thought I'd share this. There are sites you can go to where you can see IG posts and comments. Here's one:
Picuki
You can go there and type in the name of any IG account to find their IG and see their posts.
Or, here are the links for Jon and TFW's IG accounts:
Jon's Instagram
TFW's Instagram
Just click on a photo and you can see the comments. And, if the post has multiple photos, you can click on the arrow on the side of the pic to scroll through them.
Looks like Jon has given an interview to Entertainment Tonight to air tomorrow night. Wonder when Kate will figure out the gig is up? Those kids have so much to deal with. Hopefully they can distance themselves from their toxic mother some day and reach out to the father who has been the victim of so much defamation.
I'm hoping Jon will sue for defamation after TFW called him violent and abusive. I would love for all the documentation to come out in the open about how she shipped Collin off and has a no contact order with him to make it to the mainstream media.
Another thought...if Jon is such an abusive loser, how has he sustained a long-term relationship with Colleen and her kids? She couldn't have been attracted to him for his money. Nor his fame, as he was a "where are they now?" Z-lister.
And how about TFW saying their show was the "realest reality?" If so, the real Jon is a gentle, kind, loving, playful, affectionate father. And the real TFW is an angry, short-tempered, mean, cold, impatient shrew.
Kate just swooped in, fancying herself Mother of the Year, proclaiming she has has enough of Jon’s abusive, violent behavior....and then silence. No further action taken. She’s still not in contact with him that we know of, and she doesn’t have him back at her home. So what the hell was the purpose of her smug statement to People?
Don’t get me wrong: the last thing in the world I would want for Collin is for him to be back with Kate. I think Jon has been a great father to him and has done right by him. But this saga just further proves that Kate is literally all talk. She’ll trash Jon to a magazine until the cows come home, but even if she ever really thought Collin was in danger, I doubt she’d ever take him backZ
I wonder all the time how Alexis, Leah, Aaden, and Joel are doing. I wonder how they are able to stand it.
https://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/jon-gosselins-daughter-defends-him-amid-his-sons-abuse-claims/
That's the article about Hannah supporting Jon.
ncgirl (132),
Bravo for Hannah! Kate is trying to pick a fight with Jon to get her name back in the news, but I bet she didn't plan on Hannah speaking up. Hannah says Jon has never been abusive. What's Kate going to do, call Hannah a liar?
Jon's rep said that if Kate persists in making malicious statements about Jon, legal action will be taken. Good! For once someone is standing up to her. She sees this as a way to get her name out there again, to try to regain custody of H and (maybe) C, and then make some more money off them while they're still at her mercy. I would really like to see Jon take Kate to court for libel, and I'd like to see Hannah testify against her. But--that's not the best thing for the kids, so hopefully Kate will shut her mouth and crawl back into the miserable hole she's been in for the last year. No more cameras for you, Kate!
And I bet she's spitting mad that ET is talking to Jon and all she got out of this was People magazine.
ncgirl (#132), well, now H will officially reside in her gestational carrier's doghouse. Narcissists can "poof" you out of their lives in the blink of an eye.
Hannah has lived through a lot. She's a strong young woman and I admire her courage.
Kate talks a big game, but I really don't think she wants to go there. We know she was physically abusive with the kids, and Collin took the brunt of her anger. What is more disturbing, and reflects on Kate's mental illness, is the psychological and emotional abuse she inflicted on him. It is sadistic for a mother to isolate a child and make his siblings watch and participate out of fear they will suffer the same fate. She moved him around to keep his father from helping him out of spite. It was nothing but a game to her. She literally put her son's life in danger out of her need for revenge. If she wants to be revealed for the monster she really is, let her keep talking.
Hey Kate calling someone a child abuser is a pesky little thing called defamation. And you could owe him thousands for this little stunt. Yes, the LAW applies to you too. My advice? Settle.
20 months. That "narrow window" mentioned in the BG article is the 20 months she has left until the tups become adults. Once that happens she can never again force them to film, or sign a contract for them, or keep for herself all the money they worked so hard to earn. I expect it's going to be a rough time for all of them as she gets more and more desperate. Her claws are coming out.
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But you know she’ll try to bribe,blackmail , or play victim to get the remaining kids to film past 18. The kids clearly have zero respect for her and I get a sense that they know she’s mental. She’s kept them away from their family and has kept them in a bubble. This is so that they can fully rely on her. They will and according to Jon, do not have the life skills of other kids their age. Even the azz kisser Mady, seems damaged by Kate. But she wants her mothers approval so badly. All these kids need help, stat. Or Katie will be left in her old age by herself crying how alone she is and how the kids never appreciated her
-Gigi
With the amount of frustration Jon must have felt when Kate and TLC literally took control of his life it would be difficult for anyone to remain calm. He lost his money,his children and Kate refused to even tell him where his son was. She and TLC tried to take his freedom and autonomy. He may have "lost it" on occasion but he CLEARLY loves Colin and his children and put their WELL BEING above MONEY. He needs to sue her for defamation/ libel. And I agree with Flimsy, how could Colleen love and support him through all this if he was truly a "violent and abusive" person?
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. . . And I agree with Flimsy, how could Colleen love and support him through all this if he was truly a "violent and abusive" person?
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The irony is, she's a psychiatric nurse-practitioner by trade, and she must really have some insight into Kate's game. And she's in a position to be able to interpret it for Jon and Collin, if need be.
If we hear any more from K8, I have a feeling she'll just resort to flinging back at Jon everything that people have been saying about her (on the strength of Hoffman and countless "realest reality" episodes) over the years. If Hannah agrees with Jon, Kate'll say he's "brainwashed" her, etc. Only trouble is, Hannah's got receipts. If I were Kate, I'd be very careful, cuz I don't think Hannah will back down if challenged.
She really can’t force them now... Jon has custody of two of them and that’s not gonna change. I do think kate probably needs money at this point and is a little desperate. In 20 short months it’ll really be over and her money making days are over... although in theory it’s over now...
I think the tups just started their second year of high school so they will have just turned 19 when they graduate. Let's see what she does to them when they turn 18 and getting ready for their last year of school. She can still threaten them with loss of home and school.
I think it's time Robert Hoffman's book makes a reappearance!! And even if Jon had to fight him to subdue him, Collin's anger and outburst stems from the years of abuse SHE heaped on him. And how when she couldn't control him any longer, she shipped him off somewhere with no tools on how to deal with what life has dealt him (a shitty mom). I don't think anyone is surprised he's struggling.
Re: the above comment mentioning that even Mady seems damaged by Kate... I have found it really interesting recently that Mady has repeatedly spoken on TikTok about hate comments she receives from adults. While I'm certainly sad to hear that she has to read those kinds of comments, I wonder how long it will take her to connect the dots that this is a direct result of decisions her mother made. As we all know, she was thrust into the spotlight at an incredibly young age without consent. The twins aren't dumb - they'll be 20 next month if I remember correctly. You'd think that at that age, it would occur to you that no, your life did not HAVE to be documented in a reality TV show - this was not the only way her parents could have provided for her. I wonder if she thinks the glitzy life was a fair trade-off for the upsetting hate comments and I hope she in particular is able to get therapy to reckon with this.
There’s one thing I’ve learned.. you can never win with a narcissist.. they use psycho babble and twist things around. When you’re no longer useful they discard u. They love the blame game will never admit they’re wrong. They’re well known for their abuse and have no empathy. So why is this a surprise?? Their brains are wired differently...some people think they have an evil spirit .... can they change? Absolutely not... they usually go into hiding as they age...
Gigi (137)
You're right, but when the kids turn 18, she cannot sign contracts for them, she can't force them to film, and she can't take all the money for herself. They will be expected to negotiate their own salaries, which means less money for her. About 10% of the production budget goes to pay for the "talent" (I use that term loosely, of course). During K+8's run, it went to Kate--and the small amount that went into the kids' trusts was also available for her to take. When the kids are 18, she has to share the money (she would have had to share money allotted to the "talent" with Mady and Cara for filming K+D8 because they were adults and would have had their own salaries). Not as lucrative for her. Besides, there's no way she's going to be able to get Hannah or Collin in front of a camera once they're adults, custody or not.
I'm shocked that Kate keeps speaking out about Jon right now. She had her say to People mag, but then Jon put the truth out there. She should have dropped it, but she had to push the envelope and label him a "violent and abusive" person. She's begging for a lawsuit, and if she doesn't get herself under control, she's going to get one. And she'll lose. I guess this just shows how desperate she really is right now. It's probable that filming is over forever for her, and I don't think she can handle that fact. Time for her to grow up and realize she's not special.
Emily (#143), when the twins were quite young, I remember TFW saying, "Never give up on Mady," and something like, "she needs wheelbarrowsfull of attention.". What does adult Mady think when she watches that episode? Why would her mother even articulate the thought about "giving up on" her? And why would she share such an intimate detail about her child's personality with the planet?
New article.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8745319/Jon-Gosselin-shows-PROOF-allegations-abused-son-Collin-unfounded.html?fbclid=IwAR3vm8bLaANxOc9GWp1bbgeC0UEOmdehz3kmGeJ_8cOquUBN-Cex5MvyErY
Emily said... 143
I agree with you about Mady. And how Cara has conducted herself with respect to social media should be a lesson for her. Unfortunately, I think Mady has it in mind to pursue a career in performing arts (she clearly thinks she's awesome, kinda like Kate, lol), in which case the 120K followers she currently has on IG are a huge asset vis-a-vis her classmates. Of course, they're mostly following her due to Mommy, but it's on account of Mommy's notoriety, NOT her popularity, and so Mady's not being rightfully judged on her own merits. The deck she's working with is stacked against her.
Mady will have to learn the difference, and that couldn't happen a moment too soon. She can always be private, like her sister, if it's really bugging her, and only invite in people who want to talk about/deal with HER, not her crazy mother.
https://www.etonline.com/jon-gosselins-message-to-ex-kate-amid-drama-with-son-just-stop-exclusive-153213
Jon on Entertainment Tonight
ET has posted the article with Jon's response in advance of tonight's broadcast:
https://www.etonline.com/jon-gosselins-message-to-ex-kate-amid-drama-with-son-just-stop-exclusive-153213
"Jon Gosselin is putting his kids first when it comes to his far from amicable relationship with his ex-wife, Kate Gosselin. ET's Kevin Frazier spoke with Jon on Wednesday after Kate called him a "violent and abusive person" amid their 16-year-old son, Collin's, allegations that Jon physically abused him, and he addressed Kate directly.
Jon has denied the physical abuse claims made by Collin earlier this month, and he has been cleared of the abuse allegations. In our exclusive interview with the 43-year-old reality star, he had a message for his ex-wife after she publicly slammed him.
"Kate, the message to you is to stop," he says. "Unless you don't want to have any ounce of any relationship with your children in the future. You're ruining that."
"It's not about me," he continues. "It's about how they have to live their life by you making false accusations about things that never occurred."
Tune in to Thursday's episode of Entertainment Tonight for more from Jon, including his claims that Kate has been abusive in the past with Collin.
Kate has previously denied allegations of abuse. During her 2016 appearance on Good Morning America, she was asked about a report claiming that Collin told staffers at his treatment facility that he was abused by her and that child services opened an investigation.
"I'm in the public eye. I have been investigated many times," she said. "It's always unfounded, obviously."
Jon and Kate divorced in 2009 after 10 years of marriage and they share eight children together: 19-year-old twin daughters Cara and Madelyn, and 16-year-old sextuplets Alexis, Aaden, Joel, Leah, Hannah and Collin. Jon was granted sole physical and legal custody of Collin in December, after Kate didn't show up to their court hearing. Collin previously spent a little over two years in a program for children with special needs away from his family, before moving in with Jon. Hannah also lives with her father.
In a since-deleted Instagram post earlier this month, Collin accused his father of beating him, including punching him in the face and kicking him in the ribs. In a statement to ET, Jon's rep denied Collin's claims that Jon physically abused him.
"Jon has never abused Collin," the statement reads. "No charges have been filed against him and there’s no ongoing Children & Youth Services investigation. Collin has endured severe trauma. Jon is a loving father who has worked hard to ensure that his son gets the support and help he needs."
Meanwhile, 45-year-old Kate has backed Collin's allegations.
"I am done hiding and will say this unequivocally: Jon is a violent and abusive person," Kate claimed to People. "The police need to do their jobs. I am so sick of Jon's abuse being disguised as everything but. I don't want my children around him. Enough is enough."
Back in May, Jon told ET that aside from Collin and Hannah, he didn't really speak to his other children.
"My wish is that all my kids would just be together, like, hang out together," he said. "Kate and I don't live that far away from each other and I feel like there's an invisible wall. They should just be able to just get together. I mean, I have no qualms about it. If they wanna go meet each other, just go ahead. But I feel like it's more on the other side."
Sad but true (#150), thanks for posting that.
Gotta love that obnoxious drama llama TFW saying, "I am done hiding." Heifer, you weren't "hiding." You just couldn't find someone to shove a microphone in your face, some fish-in-paper in your mouth, and a paycheck in your pocket, so you decided to slink back into oblivion.
Oh, and now she refers to them as "my" children?
Well, she may want to wander down to the basement and take a peek into the boy tups' room, because one of "her" children hasn't slept in his bed since he was 11.
Full ET interview
https://www.etonline.com/jon-gosselin-opens-up-about-accusations-of-abuse-against-son-collin-exclusive-153223
Gotta love that obnoxious drama llama TFW saying, "I am done hiding." Heifer, you weren't "hiding." You just couldn't find someone to shove a microphone in your face, some fish-in-paper in your mouth, and a paycheck in your pocket, so you decided to slink back into oblivion.
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Well she did hide how abusive SHE is so yeah bitch get yourself out of hiding and own what a deranged child abuser you’ve been.
The ET interview was conducted at Jon's work office during his lunch break.(remember work Kate?).Love when asked why Kate would do this, Jon answered "for fame and money"....it's always that.
M.
Heh, I love it when The Daily Mail is snarky.
Once was a photo caption from their article about Jon Showing Proof and the other was just part of the article.
"On Thursday Jon's ex-wife Kate waded in telling People magazine she had been notified by the County of Berks, Pennsylvania Child & Youth Services that Jon was under investigation over the incident."
And, "The letter flies in the face of what Jon's ex wife Kate has been spouting in interviews this past week, however."
Chuckle, chuckle. Suck it TFW.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8745319/Jon-Gosselin-shows-PROOF-allegations-abused-son-Collin-unfounded.html?fbclid=IwAR3vm8bLaANxOc9GWp1bbgeC0UEOmdehz3kmGeJ_8cOquUBN-Cex5MvyErY
*+Seriously, what do you guys think happened with the Kate/Hannah relationship??*
I think they all see the truth but Kate got to them. "do you want to be poor?" "you'll never go on a vacation again.., etc" "do you want to live in a shack?" (even though in her mc mansion - they still share rooms. I think Cara would have chosen Jon - but Maddy the Superficial, persuaded her not to. I also think it's ironic that Hannah and Collin, the ones who supposedly never got along are with Jon. So that makes me think - Kate made that stuff up too. I still hope the others are one day able to hear Jon out and the other two ask Kate some serious questions.
Some kids are more subject to manipulation than others. We saw Kate on camera manipulate them so we know she does. I think those boys especially love their mother and stay with her out of blind loyalty, and she has left them so confused and twisted up about everything it may take many years before they realize what’s up and down. A lot of kids at only 16 years old are just not emotionally mature enough to have better control over their lives.
Admin (#157), I still say one kid will never leave her.
I wondered if she was grooming the girl tup A, as she was branded as an outcast amongst her siblings early on, therefore might benefit from an alliance with her mother. But, yeah, one of the boys might fill that role as Mom's protector. Although, as I've said before, I bet C would've been the most faithful to her if she hadn't thrown him away.
TFW has four 16-year-olds under her roof, probably almost 24/7 these days. Does she have any awareness of their SM intake and activity? No way a single one of them doesn't have one or more accounts, whether she knows about them or not. Girls are especially vulnerable to predators, but boys can be preyed upon, too. And these kids are ideal targets with the emotional upheaval they've lived through.
*+Seriously, what do you guys think happened with the Kate/Hannah relationship??*
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I read somewhere that Hannah didn’t like TFW’s treatment of Collin and didn’t want to film so she took a stand and went to live with Jon. I believe the court was involved because you know TFW wouldn’t let her go willingly because then some of her secrets would be out of her control. Jon, Hannah and Collin are all receiving counseling (individual and family) so it’s out there. Hannah can write the first book.
*+Seriously, what do you guys think happened with the Kate/Hannah relationship??*
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I think it all come back to filming. Remember, Hannah has been suffering from stress headaches since she was 3 or 4. What 3-4 year old has stress headaches? What could have been causing her such stress? Answer: filming. And the responsibility heaped upon her and the other kids to work and support the family. How many times have we talked about the kids' schedules--the long bus ride to and from school, the full day of school, looonnnggg lists of chores, plus filming every weekend and school break (and sometimes school nights). When the show came back after the first firing, Hannah was forced to film with a stress headache (shopping). Kate, knowing how awful it was to do this to Hannah, tried to act like someone else was also to blame. "I know it looks bad that we're taking our sick child to the mall". No, Kate, it's not "we" or "our", it is all YOU. Hannah is no dummy. She knew her mom didn't have her best interests in mind and would put her through misery to keep the cameras rolling. Only Jon loved her unconditionally and would allow her to just be a kid. Filming brought Kate fame and money, but it also cost her her favorite child. She may think it was all worth it, but for most parents, no amount of money could ever replace their child.
I think the other kids saw the torment Hannah went through to get out of there, and they don't want to have to go through that themselves. Hannah was shunned, verbally abused, and even physically hurt by Kate in her efforts to bully H into staying. But H is a strong girl. She never backed down. A weaker person would have buckled. The other kids may simply be thinking that they don't want the same things to happen to them, so they'll just stay where they are.
"That being said, he is sixteen years old now; he has to know what a public accusation of child abuse can do to a family, especially a family with the history and the public platform the Gosselins have. I just wish he would have thought it through a bit more before acting on his anger."
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Then you don't understand gaslighting & abandonment issues. Collin - FOR HIS ENTIRE LIFE - has been told that he's slow, stubborn, hard to live with, and even unlovable. Then, to top it off - actually being abandoned by this person, who is supposed to be his mother. Well, he actually believes what he's been told, shown & experienced for his entire life.
What he is doing now is trying to push people away before they can push him away, because deep down he believes his is unlovable & dispensable. This is all perfectly appropriate behavior for this child and will take many decades of therapy to resolve. It's going to be some time before Collin realizes that it is Kate who is unlovable and not him. The damage she has inflicted upon these children will probably be near lifelong. She has pitted them against each other forever. Collin is testing Jon, though Collin isn't aware of that. He is testing to see if Jon really loves him, and that is actually a step forward. It means that Collin isn't completely defeated He will be testing any potential girlfriends, too, & will sabotage those relationships for years because his self identity is that he is unlovable. People should have to pass a psych test before being allowed to have children. The damage Kate has done to these eight kids will keep many therapists busy for decades. I have hope that some may recover, but I seriously doubt that they all will. The sooner all of them cut all interaction with her, the better off they will be. Way to go, Kate. Who is your demon child, now? Alexis? The boys are still useful for chores & lawn care. Which one have you chosen as your Grey Gardens roommate? Get away, kids. All of you. Just get away.
I'm now more certain than ever that she's been bombarding every network she can think of with pleas to give her a new show. She must have seen this latest situation as a Godsend. But now the truth is out and nobody bought her claims of outrage. What's next? I think the "source close to Kate" will be planting stories about Kate and the kids being on the brink of poverty, and only a new show can save them. Wait for it.
Then you don't understand gaslighting & abandonment issues. Collin - FOR HIS ENTIRE LIFE - has been told that he's slow, stubborn, hard to live with, and even unlovable. Then, to top it off - actually being abandoned by this person, who is supposed to be his mother. Well, he actually believes what he's been told, shown & experienced for his entire life.
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I can’t even imagine what the child has gone through and the psychological damage that must result from being the constant scapegoat. My heart just breaks.
Come to think of it, she has always treated all three boys like garbage. Maybe she hasn’t expressed the same degree of vitriol toward Aaden or Joel, but she has continuously made it crystal clear that her girls come first and that the boys are second-class citizens. She was blessed with three healthy sons who seem to be kind, loving souls. It’s a damn shame she could never appreciate that.
I feel like Kate takes advantage of such personality traits. To be honest, the children who she has seemed to unequivocally favor in more recent years (Mady, Leah, and Hannah up to a certain point) are the mouthier children with the stronger personalities. No disrespect to any of them, and it is NOT their fault, but a couple of the girls have indeed displayed impolite, belittling behavior over the years, particularly toward their brothers. That is what Kate gravitates toward. She doesn’t gravitate toward quiet Cara, free-spirited Alexis, independent Collin, or sensitive Joel and Aaden.
She can’t appreciate her children as individuals and appreciate their unique personality traits, different as they may be from what she is like. She proved that when Collin gave her that bear figurine and told her that it was meant to represent him and Kate, to which she replied, “Where are the other seven cubs?” Horrific moment.
But it is Kate who will NOT stand for Jon’s violent and abusive behavior. Sell your crazy somewhere else, Kate.
"She can’t appreciate her children as individuals and appreciate their unique personality traits, different as they may be from what she is like. She proved that when Collin gave her that bear figurine and told her that it was meant to represent him and Kate, to which she replied, “Where are the other seven cubs?” Horrific moment..."
Kate doesn't appreciate anyone who isn't lifting her up or providing an endless supply of adoration for her bottomless pit of narcissism.
She had those children for the sole reason of having a television show. They were cast members (props) who had to be impeccable at all times to reflect her need for the photo ops she wanted. The rest of the time they were locked in the basement all day.
It is not so much that she can't appreciate their unique personalities as much as the fact that she really doesn't care. She doesn't care about the kids, period. They are mere props used to reflect upon her. And if they don't reflect a vision she likes, then they are disposable. She mocked Collin's present because in her head she had a matching set. Individuals were not even a thought in her head. Not needed. She didn't/doesn't care.
I'd never heard of the family until the 2008 crash and I caught a daytime rerun. It took me about 10 minutes to realize that this was a woman who would eat her young. She did, & won't ever stop. She devours the life out of anyone near.
She doesn't care who the kids are, and right now they are dead weight and useless other than what they can do around the house or the yard. That's literally it. She will keep one as a runner, a cook, a go-fer, if she can, & will be needy as hell when she gets old.
I hope all of them get as far away from her as possible & never look back. My wish would be that Kate & Figure 8 be held financially responsible for all of their future psychological needs.
It's been a long time since i posted on here.(mostly because the gosselin drama is over pretty much.)I found out about this story through someone on twitter and had to see people's thoughts on it here.First off,jon's mother is 100% correct in saying kate favors her daughter's over her sons.Remember her BS excuse for not going with jon and one of the boys when they did a special trip for one of the kids?Kate's excuse was how she wanted jon to have a "male bonding"with his sons.Hey Kate if that's true they why don't you allow your two other sons to have male bondings jon and collin?Also does anyone know what picture the tabloids were talking about?The one on instagram that proved collin was abused by jon and is now deleted?
To say Collin should have known the consequences of calling the cops...no, he had no idea what might happen. The cops and CPS were called countless times when he and his siblings were being abused by Kate. They never helped and it was never made into a big deal. It was laughed off by Kate as a joke. When the cops were called on Kate for physically trying to remove Hannah from her father's car, it was ignored and she was sent right back to Kate. Why would Collin, or any of these kids know the consequences? Nothing happened when they were really being abused so why would he think it would be a big deal now? So many people let these kids down and let Kate get away with so much simply because she was on television.
It was obvious on the show she favored the girls. Didn't she call the boys dirty? She and the girls were making the July 4 cake, and a boy wanted to help but was shooed away. And the boys didn't get their cupcakes. And she didn't care about Colin being in pain while she was getting free furniture. That's just the tip of the iceberg.
Giffy said... 166
This is a really good point.
Jamezvader1194-
Hiiiiii!!!! Welcome back, you've been missed here! Yeah, this is all just such a mess. Kate has really shown herself to be a total hypocrite this time. When it comes to the dozens of times she's been investigated for child abuse, she laughed it off like it's all a joke. But when it's Jon--well, that's a whole different story. It must be true! And he must lose custody and go to jail! It must mean he's violent and abusive! Of course, none of it is true and she's got to be steaming over that. In all of her tirades about this incident, she never once said she was concerned for Collin or that she contacted anyone to see if he was okay. Reading her statements, it doesn't look like she even mentioned his name. It was all about Jon. That's so unbelievably cold, but--that's Kate.
There was a post by Collin on IG, but no picture. It was taken down in minutes, and then two days later he posted a picture of his face--with no injuries--and said life is better than ever. Weird, but then everything associated with Kate is weird.
ncgirl (#167), yes, she described boys in general as "dirty" and "icky." And complained that her sons' room "smelled like boy." Skipped all 3 boys' "special day" activities, whereas Jon participated in all 5 of his daughters' activities.
"Hey Kate if that's true they why don't you allow your two other sons to have male bondings jon and collin?"
Because she hates Jon. She hates Jon because he ruined her dream career without her permission. The dream she had been working on for years. Kate's hatred for Jon is her fuel. She does not care about the kids. She only cares about herself.
Bonding? It was a concept for the episode! You might as well mute the series, because every other sentence is a lie. Trump lies/Kate lies=Narcissist moving their lips. He's the same. Only cares about himself.
To say Collin should have known the consequences of calling the cops...no, he had no idea what might happen. The cops and CPS were called countless times when he and his siblings were being abused by Kate.
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Many children who are struggling mentally don't even think that way anyway. He's not sitting there rationally thinking "Cops will be called then this will happen." He's in the moment, he's deregulated, he's balancing a host of emotions he can't cope with and years of trauma.
One thing I'm sure his service providers are helping him with is understanding that ups and downs are normal, that outbursts are normal, that feeling deregulated at times is normal. The important thing is he stays engaged with them and keeps letting everyone around him help and work with him without judgement. He WILL get through this.
Admin (#172), yeah, even under the best of circumstances, 16-year-olds are not really known for their wise decision-making ("16 And Pregnant," anyone?).
And here is a kid who was kicked out of his house before his 12th birthday -- never to be allowed back. Who knows how deeply that trauma has damaged him.
Admin (#172), yeah, even under the best of circumstances, 16-year-olds are not really known for their wise decision-making ("16 And Pregnant," anyone?).
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There is substantial and might I say rather interesting research about how the underdeveloped prefrontal cortex that impacts decision making is terribly weak in the teen years, long term and even short term consequences are very difficult for them to conceptualize, and doesn't fully develop into a wise, rational adult until age 25. When I think about how I thought things through then, even small problems, I tend to agree.
Good to see you again layla and everyone.I've just been mostly surviving the pandemic and trying to build up more skills to find a better job.I've been layed off sadly :(.I haven't been keeping track of the gosselin drama mostly because there was nothing going on until now.Even with this story coming out,it seems like kate's twitter timeline is dead.Not even her fans care anymore and the haters are gone.She doesn't post much on instagram either.Hell,i forgot that she even made a facebook page until now because she literally just created it and did nothing after that.Which makes me wonder why she even bother to create it in the first place. https://www.facebook.com/kateplusmy8/
From Dmasy --
I am back from traveling to the Midwest. Sometimes it felt as if major airports were just for us. Limited contact with strangers. We were masked and careful. Home and now doing quarantine to make sure that we protect others.
Kate -- maybe keep your self-serving mouth silent!
Hello to all the posters here. Keep safe.
Jamezvader1194 (#175), sorry to hear you were laid off.
Hopefully something better awaits you.
Dmasy (#176), nice to see you posting. I haven't traveled during the pandemic, but my friends who have all commented on the strange feeling of being in quiet airports.
Mady and Cara's birthday is right around the corner.
Schmoopy may not care to point out that her twins are turning 20. I haven't seen her lately, but her "de-aging" years may officially be in the rear view mirror.
Just reread TFW's angry comments about not kicking or hitting your child. But who can forget that she admitted, in her own words in her journal, that she'd grabbed C by the hair, threw him in his crib, and beat him to the point she was afraid she might seriously harm him. When he was an effing TODDLER and had no way of protecting himself. Oh, but wait, in her defense, she did say he was "hard to love." Good lord.
Just reread TFW's angry comments about not kicking or hitting your child. But who can forget that she admitted, in her own words in her journal, that she'd grabbed C by the hair, threw him in his crib, and beat him to the point she was afraid she might seriously harm him. When he was an effing TODDLER and had no way of protecting himself. Oh, but wait, in her defense, she did say he was "hard to love." Good lord.
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Her own history makes her comments so deranged and mentally ill. Get help Kate, if only for your own sake.
Dmasy is back!!!! It's like a family reunion here. Who brought the potato salad?
FlimsyFlamsy (178)
Kate was quoting the exact portion of the child abuse law that applies to kicking. It was #1 on the list, as she so helpfully pointed out. However, I doubt that "picking your toddler up by the hair and whipping him into his crib" was specifically listed. "Beating your children with a red plastic spoon" was probably not there either, so to her, those things did not qualify as abuse.
OT--Fellow posters, the most wonderful time of the year (Halloween) is approaching. I was driving last night and spotted one of those "Spirit Halloween" stores. As you may know by now, I'm just a liiittllleee obsessed with Halloween. I slammed on the brakes, cut across 4 lanes of traffic, and squealed into the parking lot all Starsky-and-Hutch-style. Just kidding! By the time I got out of there it looked like a plague of locusts had descended upon them and I had lots of creepy new decorations. DH took one look at my haul and suggested we start looking for a house with a bigger lawn for all my Halloween decorations. That's actually a good idea because I'm running out of room out there. Most exciting news-Sully was rummaging through all the creepy new stuff and playing with the fake severed heads and laughing. My snugglebug is going to be a total Halloween fanatic, just like his Nana. I couldn't be more proud.
She hollered and moaned about this whole thing to the press, and now it's essentially shut down. So...is she going to crawl back into her hole now?
Speaks volumes of how much she really cared about her children. The louder you proclaim you care about your children to everyone for them to hear about it, the less it sounds convincing. You don't need to showboat about your love and put on cute little notes and be a June Cleaver about it and make a perfect sake lunch for the camera and all those trips. What you do need is to have actual quality time over quantity with your children. That's what I think began to bother me. Her children, I hope, will realize that her love over the years came through from the camera. She was so worried about being perfect with the kids--the food they made the couldn't make a mess, then she wrote about perfect little holidays in her books. Too singy-songy and stars. Honey, that's not reality on raising children.
It's actually very sad. I've raised 3 kids my husband and I BOTH raised 3 kids. Nothing was perfect, they spilled stuff, they fought, lord knows they did. My son, gosh I think he was 2 maybe 3 he decided to "bake" cookies, well, good luck with that he dumped an entire BAG of granulated sugar on my kitchen floor you know the kind with tile because he missed the bowl he put on the floor. Ah, heck--I let the kid make sugar angels in it before I swept it up. Because it cleans! Wasn't originally thrilled but did my day end? Did the Earth stop spinning? Nah. Life goes on. Sure as I'm sitting here my old age, yep I think the Earth didn't stop spinning. The bills got paid that week, the kids got fed that night, the floor was fine. The store still had sugar. My son and I made cookies.
Or maybe I'm just a loony mom who didn't make her kid pick up every granule of sugar.
BlueJay (181)
You're a REAL mom. I bet you had kids simply because you wanted kids, and not as a way to land a reality show.
I really hope this kerfuffle is all over and Kate will disappear for many, many years. She tried her best to get back in the limelight, and she failed. Jon is the one who got to "set the record straight" on TV, and the only attention she got was from People mag. I wonder whether she realizes that the general public would rather watch Jon on TV, not her.
BlueJay (181)
I know it was a typo but you brought a smile to my face when you talked about her making a “ perfect sake lunch”. Giving them sake would be a sure way to ensure that they’d sleep when she put them down for those 4 hour naps. Great post and spot on!
Oh...I'm real alright...real enough to not spell check myself! Goodness. My vision also isn't what it used to be either. Sack lunch is correct.
My kids got up to plenty that my husband I knew about (and god knows plenty that we didn't know about...). But that's life. As was knew around our house, sh*t happened.
If my kids didn't feel like a nap, that was life. I don't remember the sky falling. No I didn't have count them 8 kids wasn't ever the plan. We planned for two, so we got an extra. I just find it so odd Kate has lived her life so wound up in being the perfect person on camera. You're going to become such a bitter person one day because you wanted perfect memories for that scrap book or whatever. Your kids aren't going to remember those.
TFW should be celebrating...her mug's on a billboard again.
https://www.sfgate.com/food/article/Billboard-SOMA-Karens-Killer-reviews-15579125.php
Sideline Observer (185)
Oh, that is savage! I love it! Of course, Kate/Karen is going to have fits and threaten to sue because someone is using "unauthorized" photos, but who cares? She is the biggest running joke of the year. She is the original Karen.
BlueJay (184)
If she was trying to be the perfect person/mom on TV, she failed miserably. Nobody was fooled. If you read any of the comments on her recent comments about C, it's obvious that nobody was falling for her faux outrage and nobody has forgotten how horribly she treated the kids on camera. If she thought she could re-write history after only one year, she was sorely mistaken. People haven't forgotten, and they won't for a very, very, very long time. Get used to being mediocre, Kate, because nobody wants to see you on TV.
Sideline Observer (185)
Oh, that is savage! I love it! Of course, Kate/Karen is going to have fits and threaten to sue because someone is using "unauthorized" photos, but who cares? She is the biggest running joke of the year. She is the original Karen.
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Ha, even her response to the Collin incident was SO KAREN! Like 1. not your business 2. you haven't seen your son in FIVE YEARS 3. you have no idea what happened you weren't there and you're no angel yourself in the child abuse department so STFU.
I wonder what it feels like to have YOUR FACE as the Karen meme.
Another Duggar courtship was just announced. Now it's 17-year-old Justin. These boring chuckleheads still pull in about a million viewers an episode. It must really tick Schmoopy off.
Haha, I have LOVED seeing the Karen memes with Kate’s face on them. Given her knowledge of current events (or lack thereof), she probably thinks it’s a compliment. 🤦🏼♀️
She was the Queen of Karens at the New Zealand Sky Tower, with her treatment of Brad. I’m sure there are multiple other examples.
It’s funny, Kate always rambles on about how she has changed and mellowed over the years, but I actually think that short-haired Kate from 2007-2008 was a bit softer than today’s Kate. Don’t get me wrong, she was still shrill and gruff and awful. But there was also a bit more of a softness, a glimmer of humanity that you NEVER see now. In other words, she has gotten worse over the years, not better. I’m sure that’s somehow Jon’s fault, too.
So...Kate zip tied Collin to a chair and made him sleep in a closet? (Daily Mail/ today).
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Just announced--Bindi Irwin is having a baby girl! Happy news in the midst of such a crazy year.
Anonymous said... 190
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8744785/Kate-Gosselin-accused-physically-emotionally-abusing-16-year-old-son-Collin.html
Indeed. Although much of this has been leaked out in some way, shape, or form over the years, it's gratifying to know that what she perpetrated on that child IS now at least in the legal domain, if not fully in the public record.
Cheers, Kate!
Kate just HAD to open that door, didn't she? Have fun with it, Kate.
I just saw the DM article. Karma is finally catching up to Kate. Maybe she will slither back under her rock now.
From Dmasy --
Thank you for the link to the DM article. Horrible. Nothing we haven't suspected or discussed at some time.
The Gosselin story certainly has had a long shelf life. Most likely with more to come.
Layla said... 193
Kate just HAD to open that door, didn't she? Have fun with it, Kate.
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She sure asked for it, didn't she? And, she sure deserves it.
Thinking about the timing of the '18 custody hearing and the expert therapist's report given there and TFW being a no-show. I think her attorneys gave her a heads up about the report and the coward that she is, she hid. She was afraid to be confronted with the truth and possibly face questions about it. That was a place where she was going to be held accountable for her actions but she chose to be the coward that she is and hide and not face her accusers, the judge, therapist, Jon and her own son. If we're hearing about C having to sleep in a closet, be zip tied to a chair - there must be more and worse that took place. And, the Australia's report about the abuse shines a bit of light on the reasons C's siblings and he have no relationship.
This is from Kristin Cavallari who ended her reality show after her divorce announcement:
"After three seasons, the reality show is ending, and "I'm just relieved," Cavallari says. "I just knew I was going to have to talk about everything, and I didn't want to. Thinking about filming was giving me anxiety. My kids are the most important thing to me. What's best for them?" she continues. "Probably not doing a reality show, having to talk about divorcing their dad."
Yes Kate, you can 'go back'. Too bad she didn't realize it and take the high road. Tool.
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Kendra Wilkinson also ended her reality show when she and Hank divorced. She is now working in real estate. So yes, it is possible to go back. The problem for Kate is that she refuses to go back. If she can't be on TV, she will not work. Period. She thinks she's a star, and she thinks she'd be lowering herself to do anything else. She'll go bankrupt and burn through every penny of the kids' money, leaving them with nothing, before she'd ever work a real job again.
I think part of Kate's bottomless rage at Jon is the fact that every show she has had since J&K has failed without him. TLC has fired her twice. Ratings just got worse and worse as time went on. The reason, of course, is Kate. Very few people like her, and very few people want to watch her on anything. But she knows the show was a hit when Jon was there. She blames him for her failures. Her fans keep saying he walked away, but what choice did he have? She filed for divorce. She banned him from the property. She said she would never share a moment on TV with him. As a result, her "career" failed. She failed. She can't take responsibility, so she blames it all on him. And it sounds like she has a lot of the kids believing her.
Layla said... 198
. . . She'll go bankrupt and burn through every penny of the kids' money, leaving them with nothing, before she'd ever work a real job again.
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Speaking of ... I wonder where things stand on the money issues. Did Kate ever turn over H & C's accounts to Jon? Or provide an accounting to him of all of the minor trusts over which she had control? If it's true she's running out of cash, it should be of paramount concern that this paperwork be handed over before the money disappears. Admin, is there some way to force this disclosure if she is still stonewalling? I imagine Jon wouldn't want to take this as far as forcing her to be jailed for non-compliance, but if she won't provide the info, don't the trusts' custodians (banks, attorneys, accountants) have a legal obligation to do so?
Sad but true (199)
There was some news a few months ago about Kate not handing over H&C's trusts, but nothing since. I hope that means she transferred the money and no longer has control over (or access to) it. Jon and Kate were both supposed to provide the court with quarterly accounting of the money in the trusts, so hopefully she's complying and is not taking money out for herself. I have to wonder, though--she can take money out to pay for the mortgage, utilities, school expenses, kids' clothes and shoes and braces, etc. Now that she has fewer accounts to draw from (and no income), could she end up draining those remaining accounts before the kids reach college age? I'm sure we'll hear about it if that happens, and I also hope the court can put a stop to it before the kids lose their ability to pay for college.
Kate is now the trustee for the kids' trusts (except for H&C--Jon should be their trustee). She is reported to still be dodging service on a contempt of court charge. Maybe she'll do as she pleases and hide away at home, avoiding accountability. She's doing it now. I really and truly hope she is never seen on TV again, but I also hope the 4 remaining kids in her care don't end up broke.
Perhaps I live in a a world where, excuse me, if you harm a child, or you evade contempt of court charges--one should be in prison for such things. It's disgusting. How is it that such an ordinary person is allowed to get away with this? She's not anything special. She is a former reality star (I cannot believe that is now been such a thing for over almost two decades) who is famous just for having multiple children. THAT is all!
We all know if this were myself or anyone else we would have our butts in jail already! Would like to know what has made her so special. I certainly hope her children don't feel this entitled should they ever when they learn to dive, or those that can drive, ever get pulled over or anything else, "But I'm special I'm from TV." How sad. Who cares if you've had your face on television. Own up to what you've done. Least of all laying your hands on the children you bring into this world.
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